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Film of the awful officiating from the Eagles-Redskins game last Sunday

Riveron'd!

Before we dive into this, allow me to make the following disclaimer - The Eagles played an absolutely terrible football game last Sunday against the Redskins, and in no way am I trying to indicate that the officiating crew led by Alberto Riveron is the reason they lost.  I'd also like to acknowledge that being a referee is not an easy job.  I used to referee basketball games (10-12 year olds), and there were times I wanted to walk up into the crowd and choke the life out of that one annoying parent that continuously yelled "3 seconds!  3 seconds!  He's camping out in there!"  I also realize that these are human beings (with kids, and families, and whatever else), that are going to make mistakes. 

Having said all that, the Redskins-Eagles game was one of the most poorly officiated NFL games I've ever witnessed, and I would have still produced this piece had the Eagles won.  We're going to review the tape of what I've determined are a whopping FIVE major errors by Riveron's crew (3 by Riveron himself), which were as follows, in chronological order:

1)         Multiple missed blatant blocks in the back on the long punt return by Brandon Banks in the first quarter.

2)         A block in the back by Santana Moss, that was initially called (correctly), then picked up for an unknown reason.

3)         The delay of game debacle at the end of the first half, which was an absolute disgrace of officiating (Riveron himself).

4)         A ridiculous roughing the passer call on Ernie Sims. (Riveron himself)

5)         A non-call for intentional grounding on Donovan McNabb, where the receiver in question wasn't even within 15 yards of where the pass landed. (Riveron himself)

Check out film of the missed calls after the jump:

Star-divide

1 - Missed blocks in the back on Brandon Banks' punt return - Of the five plays I listed above, this first one is the least egregious of the group - They get much worse.  Complaining about not getting a block in the back call on a return is like complaining that your DE was being held while trying to get to the QB.  What I mean by that is you can pretty much find some sort of hold on almost any pass play, just as you can find sort form of a block in the block on most returns.  However, I count 3 clear-as-day blocks in the back on this punt return by Brandon Banks.  I remembered seeing a bunch of them live, and as Brandon Banks was running down the sideline I actually said calmly, "No worries, it's coming back."  But it never did.  How many do you see?


2 - Santana Moss' block in the back - This one is just comical because it was such a horrible no-call on so many different levels.  First, Moss blocks Joselio Hanson in the back.  Then Moss grabs Hanson's jersey and pulls Hanson back toward him.  And for good measure, Moss finishes Hanson off with one last obvious block in the back, which sends Hanson to the ground.  But what I really loved about this one was that one of the officials flagged it, meaning that another official had to have intervened with conviction that it was a clean block.  Also, watch Santana Moss' reaction when he sees the flag - He knows he's guilty.  Unreal:


3 - OK, now the delay of game debacle - Andy Reid's not-so-eloquent quote after the game:

"I had all of the time (during the official replay review) to go over exactly what we wanted done, and then the position of the ball wasn't good. I can't question the officials or anybody else, and I'm not going to do that. I just know that where (the ball) originally was and where it ended up being were two different spots. Again, that's my responsibility. I'm not here to complain about the officials or anybody else. I goofed."

What he meant when he said "the position of the ball wasn't good" was that the ball was initially spotted inches from the goaline.  After the review, it was moved back closer to the 1.  However, here was Riveron's explanation after the booth challenge:


If you're going to move the ball AT ALL, then the explanation absolutely SHOULD NOT BE "The play stands."  This was a booth review, not a challenge by the Eagles, and therefore, if there is any change whatsoever, it's Riveron's job to explain that the ball was being moved back closer to the 1 yard line.  He didn't.

To compound that mistake, Riveron's crew (at least from what I can tell by re-watching this), gave little indication that the play on the field was resuming after the Eagles' timeout.  When the officials restart the clock, the hand motion is accompanied by a whistle.  The whistle would have been blown at some point when the camera was on Aikman and Buck in the booth.  I listened for a whistle several times, and heard nothing.  There was no crowd noise, since there had been no action on the field because of the insanely long review - Seems that it should have been easily heard if they blew the whistle.   (To get a better idea of what I mean by that, in the next video, note how crisp, clear, and audible the whistle is just before the ensuing kickoff after the Eagles' field goal.)  And it wasn't just the Eagles that didn't know the clock wasn't running, by the way.  FOX had no idea either, and the Redskins' sideline only seemed to begin to realize it when the Eagles started complaining to the referees.  I'm not taking full blame off of Reid here, but the way that Alberto Riveron managed the game in this situation was amateur hour.

Here's a video of the entire fiasco, from the McCoy run all the way through to the ensuing kickoff after the FG.  (Warning - If you have high blood pressure, just do yourself a favor and skip it.)


4 - Ernie Sims' roughing the QB call - Hey, I get it.  A guy like Peyton Manning is too important to the league to lose for the season because some 300 lb behemoth hits him late.  I get why the league wants to protect the QB.  But this roughing the QB call is downright embarrassing.  Sims tried to HOLD HIM UP, if anything.  What's next?  Are QB's across the league going to be wearing red jerseys to indicate that they're off limits?  Sadly, we're realistically not that far away from that extreme:


5 - Donovan McNabb's intentional grounding no-call - From the "digest of rules" on nfl.com:

"Intentional grounding will be called when a passer, facing imminent loss of yardage due to pressure from the defense, throws a forward pass without a realistic chance of completion."

Now, there is of course the rule that allows the QB to throw the ball away if he's out of the pocket, just as long as the ball reaches the line of scrimmage.  As you can see, McNabb's pass falls about 2 yards short of the line of scrimmage, but if that were Riveron's call, it would at least be somewhat forgivable.  What isn't forgivable, however, is that Riveron's reasoning for the no-call for intentional grounding was... and I quote:

 "It was determined that number 47 was in the area; therefore there is no foul for intentional grounding."

Well, Chris Cooley was about 15 yards away from where McNabb's pass landed.  (Ignore Aikman's commentary on this, by the way, that maybe it was Mike Sellers that Riveron was referring to.)  He meant Cooley, because after the ball had bounced a few times the ball was eventually within the same zip code as Cooley.  I dare anyone to convince me that Donovan McNabb had a realistic chance of completing that pass to Chris Cooley, as is explained on nfl.com.  If the NFL put out a video that described various penalties, this play would be an absolutely textbook example of intentional grounding:


As an Eagles fan, I thought I might feel better after putting this together and exposing the utter incompetence of Alberto Riveron and his crew last Sunday.  Quite the opposite.

Poll
Which was the worst example of poor officiating from the Eagles-Redskins game last Sunday?
The blocks in the back on Brandon Banks' punt return
71 votes
Santana Moss' block in the back no-call
130 votes
The delay of game debacle
467 votes
Ernie Sims' roughing the passer call
141 votes
Donovan McNabb's intentional grounding no-call
238 votes

1047 votes | Poll has closed

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Sadly

we get calls like this every week – some go in your favour some go against you.

On the roughing the passer call Sims had two steps after McNabb had released the ball so he had time to run round him so you can see the call being made when McNabb hits the deck.

As for the grounding I thought McNabb was world famous for throwing worm killers so that looked like a normal incomplete pass to the officals.

That said Avant holds onto the ball and you win the game and these calls are forgotten about.

by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2010 9:18 AM EDT reply actions  

I think you underestimate how hard it is to stop and change direction when you are running full speed at someone. Two steps or not. Clearly Sims tried to hold McNabb up when he hit him, it was very obvious that Sims was not trying to lay into McNabb at all.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 6, 2010 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree

ii part – but when you look at the film I see Sims feet wide of McNabb and Sims is leaning sidewides when he makes contact with McNabb. On that basis given he should have seen the ball go he could have leaned the other way and missed him.

You can tell by Sims reaction that he had taken a bad angle and not pulled up.

by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2010 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think the extended arms did it for the ref on the roughing the passer. That’s just a call that is going to get made almost every time and it may help the Eagles one day.

by JoshuaR on Oct 6, 2010 11:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

Clearly Sims tried to hold McNabb up when he hit him, it was very obvious that Sims was not trying to lay into McNabb at all.

This is irrelevant. You can’t illegally hit a QB, hold him from hitting the ground, and then expect no call.

The penalty is on the hit, not on whether McNabb hits the ground.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Actually that’s incorrect but by all means continue to think that.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 6, 2010 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

?

are you actually saying that roughing the QB only applies when the QB his the ground?

seriously?

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 7, 2010 12:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

lol are you serious? did you see how fast he was running at him? The only way he prevents himself from plowing mcnabb is if he grabs him while slowing down. You’d rather have the player run right through him, or not rush the quarterback hard because he might throw the ball so that way you don’t hit him because we’re not playing football?

by packimop on Oct 6, 2010 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not arguing whether it's a good rule or not

I’m saying it was called the right way. You hit the QB late, it’s a penalty, it doesn’t matter if you, “grab the QB and try to hold him up” or if you “couldn’t prevent yourself from plowing in”

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 7, 2010 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

my thoughts

I can actually see why they called the rougher the passer call. I dont like it, but thats called like that pretty frequently.

Also like G fan said, I can see why the ruled the Intentional grounding an incomplete pass…

But the end of the half debacle should have warranted an explanation from the League office.

But there is zero reason for that Santana Moss flag to have been picked up

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 9:21 AM EDT reply actions  

I don't understand why they waved off the Moss flag

But at least there was a makeup no call on the pass defensed by Hobbes on third down; he really should have been called for holding if not PI.

But the end of the half mess is completely inexcusable. Reid blew it, yeah, but there is no reason, NO REASON, why they moved the ball and I do not understand why the play clock was running while Reid rightfully demanded an explanation.

by Tracer Bullet on Oct 6, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

On top of that,

Why was there no discussion about resetting the playclock. It was like they wouldn’t even consider it

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Too many

Losses are never easy, but when officials make 2 or more horrendous one sided errors in a game… its just infuriating. The kickoff had plenty of calls, also don’t they have to stop blocking a guy when they go out of bounds? they drove someone out of bounds at the 50, and kept going with him almost to the stands. The worst ref call/no-calls though were between the Moss block and the delay of game mess… while I agree with the humor of G’s statement on the intentional grounding, I think it was pretty obvious flag that should’ve been called.

by Sparki on Oct 6, 2010 9:32 AM EDT reply actions  

I continue to feel bad about this game. The level of officiating in the NFL this season overall has been pretty atrocious. Officials routinely getting numbers wrong, having to stop and restart explanations, and clock management! I have seen at least 3 games this season where the officials had to be repeatedly asked “what is the play clock?” I just haven’t seen a game where everything bad I’ve seen in other games happened all at once.

Let the beasting begin.

by TransplantedFan on Oct 6, 2010 9:34 AM EDT reply actions  

My take

Blocks in the back … I counted 3. I could see one getting missed, but 3?
Moss penalty ….. I see no reason to pick up that flag.
End of half …. That’s part refs, part Reid. I’d probably lean more toward blaming the refs if Reid didn’t have such a bad record of clock management.
Roughing … I see why the call was made, others like that have been called. I don’t like the trend of calling those semi-hits more so than this call itself. Let the players play.
Grounding … Um, someone really needs to convince me that McNabb wasn’t trying to avoid the sack. Ball landed inside the 30, receiver was outside the 40.

It would be different if these bad calls were 50/50, but they all went against the Eagles. As said by others, I really hate to blame the officials for a loss, and I won’t, but damn, we sure couldn’t catch a break when it came to the officiating Sunday.

Go Eagles!

by MRPH on Oct 6, 2010 9:41 AM EDT reply actions  

I'd even say one...

the 3, yes THREE, missed clippings on the PR. That shifted momentum for the whole game. Instead of starting at PHI’s 30, they would have started at their 20 or something close to it. Possible difference of 7 (but realistically 4) points. This changed the game.

by eaglemaniac814 on Oct 6, 2010 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, mcnabb was wearing a red jersey… So there’s your explanation for number four. He’s obviously off-limits! facepalm

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by foos05 on Oct 6, 2010 9:59 AM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Moss' Block in the Back

My guess would be that it was overturned because Moss’ initial contact was legal, in front of the body and he stayed in contact with Hanson throughout the play.

by ralphd58 on Oct 6, 2010 10:08 AM EDT reply actions  

Correct. That is not a block in the back.

If initial contact is made, and contact is kept, then there isn’t a block in the back penalty.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 6, 2010 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

That was as clear a block in the back as you’ll find in the NFL.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 2:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

so you don't think contact was kept throughout the whole part in question?

or do you think that’s not the rule?

b/c actually it explicitly is.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 7, 2010 12:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

It was a block in the back, then a hold, then another block in the back.

by JimmyK on Oct 7, 2010 1:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

initial contact was a block in the back?

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 8, 2010 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

I get the feeling ...

That some-one in the NFL or officiating just doesn’t like the Fans in Philly. It looks almost like they WANTED the fans to BOO, maybe to reinforce some BS stereotype about Philly fans. Maybe they were disappointed by McNabb getting some cheers as he entered…. especially after all the hype about people expecting him to be booed.

Another thought, I would like a look at the penalties over time.. contrasting how many the Eagles get called for on the road and at home.

by Helgrenze on Oct 6, 2010 10:18 AM EDT reply actions  

This reminded me of a baseball game...

in that the ref’s would make a call and would not even consider the possibility that they could be wrong or worse, seemed reluctant if not out right refusing to discuss with their cohorts.

"You can commit no mistake and still lose. That is not a weakness. That is life." - Jean-Luc Picard

by EREX21 on Oct 6, 2010 10:30 AM EDT reply actions  

A LOT

We are one of the most penalized teams in the nfl,home or away!

Theeee jay Resh

by PHILLYBOY1978 on Oct 6, 2010 10:32 AM EDT reply actions  

Yeah...

You didn’t even mention the obvious holding on McNabb’s time crushing 3rd down (why did he go out of bounds?) long scamper…a hold is what gave McNabb the outside lane…you can even see the jersey tug from behind…I was convinced that one was coming back and to no avail…

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by AstrosFan on Oct 6, 2010 10:37 AM EDT reply actions  

We will see who is crying at the end of the season

I dont care what you say – there is no excuse for the end of half respot

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, knew that was coming. I hear you. I’d be annoyed too if I felt someone was undermining my team’s win. Not my intent here.

That aside, they called Peters twice for holding Orakpo. I’m guessing those are the pictures in Steinberg’s article. You can’t really look at the film in this post and tell me that isn’t God-awful officiating, can you?

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 10:43 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really think it's more bitching...

There’s weekly posts on Skins sites of still shots of Orakpo getting held and not being called. As for your videos…

1.) Banks return, I really don’t see anything. When he catches it, there’s a lot of bodies stopping and people running into each other. There is the 1 block that looks to be from the side but it’s not at all obvious….(see baby picture below).

3.) The Ernie Sims hit….I HATE how much they protect the QB…but his forearm hits McNabb’s helmet clearly…probably what it was (stupid rule…but see baby picture below).

4.) The Moss block…yea, thats atrocious. But the Redskins got a FG out of that….a 26 yarder…so instead Gano hits a 41 yard field goal (see baby).

Howard Eskin tweeted 2 callers on WIP saw Lond Fletcher kick the ball….I dunno what to say about that except see baby. If I watched the game again I’m sure I could rack up a post like this easily as well…it’s an easy thing to do (and we do it too) after a close loss. If anyone should be blamed, it’s Jason Avant.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Avant has probably the best hands in the NFL

That is a really tough catch to make

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jason Avant has probably the best hands in the NFL

Calvin Johnson would probably disagree with you. As would most WRs that aren’t 3rd string. #justsayin

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ehhhh...

I’m starting to question that. I’ve seen a couple of drops from him this year now.

by HankM on Oct 6, 2010 11:59 AM EDT up reply actions  

I really think it’s more bitching…

Won’t argue that. But how can you not bitch with 5 atrocious calls like the ones posted?

1.) Banks return, I really don’t see anything. When he catches it, there’s a lot of bodies stopping and people running into each other. There is the 1 block that looks to be from the side but it’s not at all obvious….

3 obvious blocks in the back. Obvious, Kevin.

3.) The Ernie Sims hit….I HATE how much they protect the QB…but his forearm hits McNabb’s helmet clearly…probably what it was

If that’s what it was, the explanation from the referee would have been that he hit him in the head. And this referee was excellent with his explanations. Oh wait…

4.) The Moss block…yea, thats atrocious. But the Redskins got a FG out of that….a 26 yarder…so instead Gano hits a 41 yard field goal

No way anyone can know what would have occurred instead. Hell, maybe there’s a different play call and the Redskins score a TD instead. My only point was that it was an atrocious call, so I guess we agree.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

I guess my point is that it was not 5 atrocious calls...

1 atrocious call (Moss) and 1 atrocious rule (McNabb hit).

As for the ball spotting…a Skins beat writer took stills shots and the ball never moved….
http://realredskins.com/2010/10/after-further-review-redskins-17-eagles-12/

and the explanation of those pics is here.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:11 AM EDT up reply actions  

Is that

Reid ordering his halftime sandwich?

by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Touche!

That was a good one!

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

This is where the referee spotted the football... Note his left foot (inches from the goaline):

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by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 11:21 AM EDT up reply actions  

Have you

got a picture of the ball where his foot is?

by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2010 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions  

No, FOX showed replays of McCoy’s run for the next minute or 2.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

The ball is in the middle official’s hand and he’s about to put it down. All three officials are lining it up at the same spot and you can see the hashmark for the 1 yard line right by London Fletcher’s left arm.

by youaretheman26 on Oct 6, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Right, nice catch.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Moss overturn was correct by the refs

I said this earlier, Moss’ initial contact was legal, in front of the body and he stayed in contact with Hanson throughout the play. It’s not Moss’ fault Hanson turned his back. If Moss hit him, let him get by and then hit him again in the back, that would have been the correct call.

by ralphd58 on Oct 6, 2010 1:57 PM EDT up reply actions  

yup

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 6, 2010 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

are you arguing that Moss didn't keep contact?

b/c I’m sure you’re not arguing that the rule isn’t written that way. and it is probably why a flag was thrown and then picked up.

it’s not like the refs didn’t see the block in the back, a flag was thrown. but it was picked up, probably for a reason.

or maybe there really is a conspiracy against the Eagles.

"By far the worst performers on the team are in the front office." – Sally Jenkins

by smutsboy1 on Oct 7, 2010 12:52 PM EDT up reply actions  

So because he maintains contact he’s allowed to pull on Hanson’s jersey?

I agree with the fact that it wasn’t a block in the back because he maintains contact, but you can clearly see the hold by Moss.

by KornontheKobb on Oct 7, 2010 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude, seriously, you do not have a leg to stand on here.

I saw Eagles getting called for holding (and fairly so) all game. On the flip side I saw several Skins o-linemen stretching Eagles defenders’ jerseys, and those plays never got flagged.

Jackass.

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by El Donkerino on Oct 6, 2010 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions  

That one was most certainly called. in the background, you see the running clock is at 5:39.

From the play-by-play on nfl.com:

2-8-WAS 42 (5:42) (Shotgun) PENALTY on PHI-71-J.Peters, Offensive Holding, 10 yards, enforced at WAS 42 – No Play.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think

Kevin’s point is that there were pictures of three different holds but only two were called.

by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2010 10:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Not so sure that a couple of those pictures aren’t the same play. And furthermore, pictures don’t tell jack. Film tells the story.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

So

based on the film the last play of the game – was it a drop or an uncatchable ball?

by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Mcnabb got called for intentional grounding every time he did that as an Eagle, as soon as he’s not wearing green, he gets the league benefits.

by Route36 on Oct 6, 2010 10:41 AM EDT reply actions  

Well cry me a river

Come on, Jimmy. You’re better than this. Blaming the refs for your team getting physically dominated is just sad. It’s time to face reality: Your team is not who you thought they were.

by VA_Skin on Oct 6, 2010 10:52 AM EDT reply actions  

Read the very first sentence of the post.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

you can say that....but the whole post says different.

I’d hate to be the next officiating crew that runs out on the field at the Linc….I’m actually hoping it snows that day.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Question

Why are you over here anyway? No one wants to hear what you have to say

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions  

Also I'm so tired of this terrible fans at the linc crap.

That happens EVERYWHERE. I’ve been to fedex the last two years and the fans were as bad or worse than what i see at the linc.

Stop listening to the national media

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 11:04 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually

there is a good write up of the Eagles fans on the HH website from someone who attended the game on Sunday.

by G Fan in England on Oct 6, 2010 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

pardon my ingorance but what is HH

and I was at the game too on sunday, and the fans were pretty bad. But that’s not my point. My point is that every team has a handfull of asshats that could make the whole fan base look stupid. But in our case, the stereotype has existed for so long that people see one drunk idiot fan and have their mind made up already

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

HH is Hogs Haven

One of our writers was at the game and wrote about his experience….Philly fans are classy (seriously).

http://www.hogshaven.com/2010/10/5/1731192/the-folsom-point-civil-rest-in-philadelphia

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

I was actually very proud of the fans sunday giving mcnabb that big of an ovation

that’s exactly how it should of been…and i also loved that they booed him just as loudly when he took the first snap as a skin

Rec'd em? Damn near killed em!

by 700 Level on Oct 6, 2010 11:17 AM EDT up reply actions  

that’s exactly how it should of been

couldnt agree more.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions  

Speaking of booing

What happens when Rolen steps out on that field today?

by DLawrence55 on Oct 6, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, they’re going to boo the crap out of him.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can say that….but the whole post says different.

Not really. If you’ll notice, all I did was post video of the calls and gave explanations of why they were bad calls. No more, no less. You won’t find anything in my writing that says, “Had that play been called correctly…” and then offered the opposing scenario, or anything else like that.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 11:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

what do you think the comments and sentiment is going to be when you post something like that though?

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

They were bad calls, hoss. You cannot argue with most of them. Did we lose? Absolutely. Doesn’t change the fact that the crew was not sharp in the flag throwing department. that’s all this is about. Not about would’ve, should’ve, could’ve.

by DLawrence55 on Oct 6, 2010 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

Doesn’t change the fact that the crew was not sharp in the flag throwing department. that’s all this is about. Not about would’ve, should’ve, could’ve.

OK cool…I can’t remember a worse call than that Moss one that is not Tom Brady personal-foul related.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:16 AM EDT up reply actions  

Haha, they have minds of their own and can form their own opinions.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions  

So Moss is a Viking....for the low price of a 3rd round pick.

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by EREX21 on Oct 6, 2010 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

I was thinking the same thing. Who knows though. Favre might want to come back next year now that he finally has the guy he always wanted.

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by EREX21 on Oct 6, 2010 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hey I didn’t say I wanted it to happen, just that it is a possibility.

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by EREX21 on Oct 6, 2010 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions  

Hah! Not saying that you did, 21. The ‘spare me’ was not aimed at you.

The mere thought of it just annoyed the shit out of me. I cannot bear another year of listening to his act, and ESPN slurping him endlessly.

by DLawrence55 on Oct 6, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed. I have rather enjoyed his putrid season so far. As a result ESPN hasn’t been blowing their load over him on screen. Though with this trade I am sure Favre will get some coverage now.

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by EREX21 on Oct 6, 2010 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

I do think the Flags for blocks in the back on the punt return not being thrown did change the game.

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by Christopher A on Oct 6, 2010 11:08 AM EDT reply actions  

That was a huge play one way or the other...

It was the only drive of 9 the Redskins did not start inside their own 25.

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by Kevin Ewoldt on Oct 6, 2010 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions  

if one punt return (that wasn't for a TD) is the difference between winning and losing

then you’ve left too much up to chance.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 6, 2010 2:13 PM EDT up reply actions  

Delay of Game and Grounding

Are actual rules. The others are judgment calls. Actual rules, espcially when you have more than one official on a field should not happen. Judgement calls….we are all human… I was a ref. in hockey and shit happens fast on the ice. Its alot easier to see these things from up top than on the field/ice. Theres no excuses for breaking actual rules though….

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by BWestFactor on Oct 6, 2010 11:38 AM EDT reply actions  

I know you don't want to say it for fear of coming across as a sore loser...

but I’ll say it for you. Bad officiating cost the Eagles this game.

I know the Eagles’ players shot themselves in the foot plenty, but those calls directly affected scoring plays and all came out in the ’Skins favor. Ugh.

by HankM on Oct 6, 2010 11:56 AM EDT reply actions  

from the way that game started i got that sick feeling it was going to be a loss. and especially after the play clock debacle i had pretty much resigned to the fact.

by Stuk on Oct 6, 2010 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

you can't point to 1 thing and say it cost them the game

you know what else cost them the game? Mikell getting eviscerated.

Or Bradley giving up the TD cooley.

These are things that were, you know, in the Eagles control.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 6, 2010 2:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

As I said during the Game on the open thread

The Eagles were not meant to win this game. Of the 5 calls mentioned here Riveron calls 3 of the penalties.

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by eaglelover1 on Oct 6, 2010 12:04 PM EDT reply actions  

its one thing to lose a game but to lose it like this…. stupid.

by Stuk on Oct 6, 2010 12:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

nice work

Love the analysis with videos from the game to back it up. Hard to believe people are commenting that you’re biased or making excuses. Reffing is as much a part of the game as anything else.. gotta point out when performance is below par.

Personally, the Roughing the Passer penalty irks me the most. All the others are subject to interpretation but asking someone mid-tackle to stop and not even touch the QB is BS. Sims obviously slowed down but just couldn’t stop himself entirely. Having said that, you see that penalty get called in many other games and I’ll point out that that penalty in ANY game irks me, regardless of the team, etc… it needs to be changed in the rulebook.

by cin7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:01 PM EDT reply actions  

clarification

“Subject to interpretation” is perhaps the wrong way to word it. What I meant was that all the other penalties could have gone unseen or just a ref having a bad day. Whereas the Roughing the Passer penalty is simply unclear in the rules and needs to be fixed league-wide IMO. The penalty has to take in to account how hard the QB was hit, whether the rusher slowed down prior to the hit, etc.

by cin7 on Oct 6, 2010 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Gusy let the skins fans t hink that it was some sort of great victory

They barely beat the Cowboys, dropped one to the skins, barely beat us with the worst officiating and against our back up qb… They should be 0-4, they will still be lucky to be 6-10, and this game was like a SB to them (especially mcnabb). Let them enjoy their 4-8 wins they get every season

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by Joe_D on Oct 6, 2010 2:08 PM EDT reply actions  

Do you hear Riveron when he says penalty

It’s funny as hell he sounds like he’s retarded

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by Djax10 on Oct 6, 2010 2:12 PM EDT reply actions  

Whining about refereeing is just a bad look.

And I get on Redskins fans when we do it too. I think it’s whiny and petty.

Talk about the plays your team didn’t make. Don’t talk about things that are out of your control, and probably even out over the course of the season.

Unless you’re one of these crazy fans (we have them too) who thinks there is a conspiracy against their team.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 6, 2010 2:20 PM EDT reply actions  

Watch the film – It was a poorly officiated a game as I’ve seen in years. And I’ll repeat what I wrote in the very first sentence of this post. The EAGLES lost this game, not the referees. But the referees were astoundingly bad.

by JimmyK on Oct 6, 2010 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

except most of the calls can be disputed here

I mean, this wasn’t 5 instances of the phantom PI call between Miami and OSU in that championship game, you know?

the late hit was called as it is in the book
the Moss block may have been legal if contact was kept the whole time

Some calls didn’t go your way, but I’m not sure it deserved its own post.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 7, 2010 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

except most of the calls can be disputed here

No they can’t. All 5 are clear as day.

by JimmyK on Oct 7, 2010 1:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

ok dude

you’re right, it’s in no way debatable whether the LB hit McNabb late.

clearly its in the rule book that if you try to pull up and hold the QB up, it can’t be considered a late hit, even if you hit him late.

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 8, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Terrible call, period.

by JimmyK on Oct 8, 2010 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha. is that supposed to mean something?

Accurate call, period.

see what I did there?

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by smutsboy1 on Oct 12, 2010 12:42 PM EDT up reply actions  

cmon dude

that officiating was fuckig horrible and cost us a lot of points

how about the PI miss on maclin inside the 10?

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by Joe_D on Oct 6, 2010 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Referring might have been bad. But its not the reason we lost. We got man-handled by a bigger/stronger team, plain and simple.

Our defense is terrible, our O-line is terrible, and with Kolb as our QB our offense is terrible. Oh and did i mention our special team sis worse then last year(if possible), what happened to bobby april being our savior?

by Mr. Laker on Oct 6, 2010 3:30 PM EDT reply actions  

The Eagles played an absolutely terrible football game last Sunday against the Redskins, and in no way am I trying to indicate that the officiating crew led by Alberto Riveron is the reason they lost

I really don’t think JimmyK was saying we lost because of the officiating.

by eagleyosh on Oct 6, 2010 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

I never said he did.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 6, 2010 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nah. He’s a LA Jaguars fan.

RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.

by Imp on Oct 6, 2010 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

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