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Eagles hitting vs Dunta Robinson

Today's sweet victory was cut short with news that our play-maker Desean Jackson suffered a severe concussion in the 31-17 win over the Falcons.

Eagles coach Andy Reid didn't estimate how long Jackson might be sidelined. Same thing for Falcons coach Mike Smith about Robinson."He seems to be fine," Smith said of the corner-back whom Atlanta signed as a free agent during the off-season. "It was a very violent collision. I saw him and knew he couldn't return, and that's all I really know." The same cannot be said for Jackson. NFL Network and FOX Sports' Jay Glazer reports Jackson has a "severe concussion" and suffered memory loss from the hit. 

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81b61df2/article/jackson-suffers-severe-concussion-in-collision-with-robinson?module=HP_headlines

For those who are unaware, the NFL has recently become very cautions with concussions. Jackson is expected to at least miss next weeks game. For Jackson to return he will have to pass two concussion tests, evaluated by the Eagles medical staff and the tested by independent neurological consultant.

 

My Family and I were watching the early morning game (early in Hawaii). Myself, the only Eagle fan in the family, was overjoyed with the early 14-0 lead until the hit. The tensing up of Jackson's limbs and muscles sent shivers down our backs. And while we all agreed that this was not only a dirt hit, but extremely unnecessary hit. Soon after Jackson was taken off the field, my brother and I soon got into a discussion. He argued that the Eagles are always known for being dirty hitters. 

Then this afternoon, I see this comment. 

I don’t think anybody is saying it was a clean hit or shouldn’t have been a penalty, but I highly doubt he was trying to hurt DeSean. Dawk did this stuff all the time and we all loved it. How was this any different than the hit on Crumpler in 2004?

Thus, the research began, are the Eagles the biggest dirty hitters?

First what is a illegal tackle? What is legal?

This is paraphrased from NFL.com's video http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-network-total-access/09000d5d81b766bc/Difference-between-legal-illegal-hit?module=HP_video.

Illegal hit: If you just caught the ball and can't defend yourself or you didn't catch the ball, you are a defenseless receiver; And therefore cannot be hit helmet to helmet, shoulder to helmet, or forearm to helmet.

Legal hit: When a player catches the ball and can defend himself, or a running back, you can be hit will the list above. 

Video 1: Dawkins vs Crumpler 2004:

DAWKINS kills Crumpler (via jmeiw1)

This famous hit by Dawkins in the 2004 Championship game has multiple views, all showing Dawkins leading with his shoulder and hitting him in the chest. Even though Crumpler couldn't defend himself, he was hit in the stomach.

Video 2: Dawkins Suplex

brian dawkins crazy takle (via jetsky7)

Although this may seem unnecessary and brutal, the receiver lands on the back of his shoulders, not his neck, able to defend himself.

Video 3: He got hit so hard he lost his Heisman

Reggie Bush just got JACKED UP! (via houstonsports22)

Shoulder to stomach. Not illegal to knock the wind out of someone. 

Video 4: Tweet about this Ochco

Chad Ochocinco Takes a Big Hit Vs The Philadephia Eagles (via CelebsMayhemTV)

This one is close, but it looks like he caught the ball and was able to defends himself because the refs deemed it a complete catch and then fumble. The helmet comes off from hitting the ground.

Video 5: Wait who makes this tackle?

Asante Samuel BIG HIT on Dexter McCluster! (via bc11444)

This is legal because Asante doesn't know how to tackle. 

Video 6: Old School

eagles biggest hit in 2000 (via nitronacho7)

Last highlight. Joe Horn was defenseless, but it was shoulder to stomach. Legal

Video 7: Jumping Fail

brandon jacobs gets jacked up!!! (via johnnyhiggs21)

According to the rules, he was running from the backfield so helmet to helmet contact is legal on this play.

This was the only illegal hit I could find on youtube by a Eagle

Video 8: Brian being Brian

Brian Dawkins Hit on Muhsin (HD) (via drlfresh81)

This one is clearly illegal, Mushin couldn't defend himself right as he caught the ball. Oops.

Majority of the Eagles highlight hits on defense is legal. 1/8 big hits are illegal, and the oldest video to the newest is 2000-2010. Its safe to say, the Eagles d are the hardest legal whacking bad asses in the NFL. And they don't do pussy shit like this. 

{HD} Philadelphia Eagles DeSean Jackson Injured by BIG HIT Dunta Robinson (via BluSmash)

DeSean was clearly defenseless and shoulder or not its illegal. So here's to you, biggest prick in the NFL, Dunta Robinson. Keep making those highlight reels by shorting your career as well.

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Ok ima run through these

1. The defenseless receiver rule wasnt till this year so video one is all good.

2. The Suplex wasnt really dirty but it was illegal he did get flagged on that didnt he?

3. Today with the new rule idk if they would call that on a defenseless receiver. Id assume no but idk.

4. Agree with what you said about that one.

5.It looks like his helmet hit his facemask. But Asante pushed with his arms so it prolly didnt affect him that much.

6.You are right. The same thing about the Defenseless rule being new

7.Jacobs got rocked but he got rocked legally

8. Defenseless thing is new so that wasnt illegal for that reason. Dawks helmet hit his but it looks like he was expecting Mushin to land different cause you see him move his shoulder forward. Still Illegal but not intentional.

9. I have it paused at 0:28 it looks to me like Robinson is pushing his shoulder forward but at the same time his head is down. He has his body down to where it looks like the hit will be chest level. To me it looks like he just made a stupid decision and not thinking about how fast Jackson was coming in. The speed caused him to hit the pads and glance upward and hitting helmet to helmet. Watch the video a few times Jacksons shoulder flings back before his head whips back. Dunta didnt do that intentional it was just a very very very bad decision.

So here’s to you, biggest prick in the NFL, Dunta Robinson. Keep making those highlight reels by shorting your career as well.

Considering what Harrison said afterwards I dont really think you can call Robinson the biggest prick in the NFL in fact i dont think its even close

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by Udalango on Oct 20, 2010 2:42 AM EDT reply actions  

2. maybe idk the play exactly
3. no b/c no contact to the head. A illegal hit is a hit to the head of a defenseless receiver. It could be considered unnecissary roughness though.

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by number5 on Oct 20, 2010 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

The way I understood the defenseless receiver thing is if you hit him when he is defenseless

It is a penalty regardless of area. Im not entirely sure on that though. If you get hit at the waist when you arent looking or the ball isnt to you yet wouldnt that be hitting a defenseless receiver? Or would that be PI? The new rules seem a little hazy

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by Udalango on Oct 20, 2010 3:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

acccording to the vid link i posted its not

but i was paraphrasing so i might be wrong. Personally I think its legal to jack someone in the chest/stomach area

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by number5 on Oct 20, 2010 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol who the hell knows.

Good post btw

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by Udalango on Oct 20, 2010 3:46 AM EDT up reply actions  

thanx bra

Eff age, were winning now!

by number5 on Oct 20, 2010 3:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

hahaha

asantes is same thing .. he doesnt know how to tackle but still .. all great hits

by jack is better than asante on Oct 20, 2010 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The rules are not hazy. It’s only hits to the head or neck that are banned. You can’t hit a defenseless receiver in the head or neck. That’s all.

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by JasonB on Oct 20, 2010 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions  

No. Not true.

It’s only illegal if the hit lands in the area of the neck and head. A hit anywhere else while defenseless is legal.

by NOLACuse on Oct 20, 2010 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions  

Ok my bad

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by Udalango on Oct 20, 2010 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

Here comes the bad guy<----

The hit on DeSean was not and should not be thought of as illegal. Duanta hit DJax in his shoulder with partially his helmet and mostly his own shoulder period. The violent whiplash and Djax crashing to the ground is what did the physical damage to him.

by Darth Banner on Oct 20, 2010 5:32 AM EDT reply actions  

That’s just not what happened. The initial contact was to the upper chest, but the helmet of the defender clearly went right up into Jackson’s chin.

That’s why he was flagged, that’s why he was fined. The NFL wouldn’t have fined him if the video showed otherwise.

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by JasonB on Oct 20, 2010 8:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

You don’t knock yourself and someone else out by leading with your shoulder.

by Team Serbia on Oct 20, 2010 10:58 AM EDT up reply actions  

Actually the

way you get knocked out is there is a very very thin tissue thats sole job is to fire electrical pulses located in the back of your neck, the way you get knocked out is when you are hit the electrical pulse stream is disrupted and the disruption causes the brain to black out. Now if I whack you upside the head with a club and you see it coming, you will instinctively brace your neck and I will cause damage but not necessarily knock you out. On the other hand if you are walking and talking to someone and not looking where you’re going I could smack you with my open hand and knock you unconscious.

I boxed for 5 years competitively. Speed(the punch he doesn’t see) knocks him out. Power(the ones he does see) causes injuries. Also a common exercise for boxers is to take a hand towel and string it through the center of a 25lb plate, bite the towel and do neck raise(shake your head yes). This strengthens your neck muscles

Long story short(too late) is Duanta tried to lead with his shoulder, he tucked his chin(took his eyes off a moving target) and hit with more of his head than he was prepared for and knocked himself out. His head barely touched Djax. The whiplash caused Djax to go out. Read Andy’s comment about Djax being sore where Duanta hit him….SHOULDER.

by Darth Banner on Oct 20, 2010 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

As far as defenseless goes

defenseless is what was once considered perfect timing by a defender. I think as long as you’re not head hunting it’s a good hit. There is less than a second where a guy is focusing on catching the ball and nothing else. Thats when it’s at the defender advantage to sneak in and disrupt that thought process.

by Darth Banner on Oct 20, 2010 5:39 AM EDT reply actions  

you are absolutely correct.

i think this is where i have the biggest problem with this rule. it changes the way football is played. with this rule in place, what discourages the receiver from running over the middle without fear? i can see the whole helmet to helmet thing……but waiting until the guy hits the ground running?seems unfair to defenders.

"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China

by snowhill82 on Oct 20, 2010 8:14 AM EDT up reply actions  

That's not the rule

You do not have to wait to hit a guy. You just can’t hit him in the head. That’s ALL.

How does that change anything?

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by JasonB on Oct 20, 2010 8:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

Djax didn't have his head hit.

The only hit that was a penalty was Merriweather.

by Darth Banner on Oct 20, 2010 6:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

It doesn't have to be the head. The neck is considered a penalty area along with the head.

The video isn’t totally clear but it appears Dunta hit DJax in the base of the facemask or just below that, which would be the neck. That would be a penalty. I don’t think first area of contact matters in this case. The first area of contact may not have been the head/neck area, but the head/neck area getting hit at all during the collision is illegal.

by NOLACuse on Oct 21, 2010 4:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

What?

There is not waiting at all. Why is everyone so confused about this rule? You cannot hit a defenseless receiver in the neck or head. That is it. A defenseless receiver can be hit anywhere else on their body and it is completely within the new rules. There is no waiting involved at all.

by NOLACuse on Oct 20, 2010 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions  

Anybody who thnks......

the Dawk hit on Crumpler was dirty is either a complete Jackass or a extreme eagle hater (or both which would most likely be the case ) he clearly hit him in the chest and didnt lead with his helmet. That my friends is classic textbook big clean hittting. The only cheapshot i guess i could call out dawk on would be the Ike Hilliard shot, and being that hes a Giant i gotta give Dawk a pass on that one LOL.

by goldenbird09 on Oct 20, 2010 8:05 AM EDT reply actions  

Like the first commenter said, the defenseless player rule is new this year. Spearing and helmet to helmet rules are relatively new as well.

Plus, I think we need to distinguish between “illegal” and “dirty” hits. To me they’re two different things. Robinson’s hit was illegal, but not dirty.

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by JasonB on Oct 20, 2010 8:31 AM EDT reply actions  

Dawkins...

damn near always led with his helmet…forget the big hits on crumpler and others…dawkins would routinely attack a pile when a runner was in the process of being tackled and just try to get an extra hit in…

now is that ‘dirty’?

if a defender in the league isn’t trying to hurt someone on offense, what’s the point?

I’d say a good 85% of the hits are clean…and they are made VICIOUS, SINISTER, DEMONIC, MURDEROUS – by the 8,000,000,000 replays, 360 cams, slow-motion cams, and highlights every 10 minutes on sportscenter.

What is also the Biggest point is this: the majority of the offensive players lower their heads, helmets, and bodies at the very LAST second before they are hit…

so what happens is…many of these hits are clean…until about a millisecond before contact – because running backs, receivers, dip their head because they’re sense contact…it’s just instinct.

now, safeties who punish receivers/ defenseless players on things like overthrown balls, there’s no real defense there – i’m just saying the game happens at LIGHTNING speed…

and NO ONE at home – watching their 5000000 replays – understand that. I know I don’t.

You don’t think folks tackled this way back in the day? Of course they did. Bednarik and scores of ‘old guard’ players were dirtier than ever – because damn near everything was legal. Are you kidding me? they’re just weren’t 500 cameras breaking down every hit every 5 minutes – so no one thought anything of it.

the desean jackson hit was unfortunate, but it wasn’t dirty. you think Dunta Robinson wanted to knock himself out?

it’s part of the game – in this era, we just know about more, more conscious of player’s health – and more aware of folks getting KNOCKED out.

by damonmoore43 on Oct 20, 2010 9:44 AM EDT reply actions  

lol

This is legal because Asante doesn’t know how to tackle.

by justyn725 on Oct 20, 2010 10:02 AM EDT reply actions  

The hit by Asante should have been flagged.

Intentional or not he hit him in the helmet on the play.

Dawkins hit on Mushin would indeed by considered illegal by today’s standard and I have no problem with that or saying that.

All the other hits would still be legal. The only one I’m not sure about is the Brandon Jacobs one. While he is a runner, helmet-to-helmet hits are illegal no matter what. But that ruling has always been hazy as officials seem to look for intent, rather than result, when calling that.

by NOLACuse on Oct 20, 2010 10:42 AM EDT reply actions  

Injuring Ike Hilliard on a late hit

Dawkins could hit big, but don’t paint him as some saint. He has had his fair share of dirty hits over the years.

by brisulph on Oct 20, 2010 11:58 AM EDT reply actions  

+1

the only difference was…he was on our team and wasn’t DESTROYING the opposing team’s players

by damonmoore43 on Oct 20, 2010 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

My many thoughts....

1. As for the content of the post, I don’t think any of those were dirty. However, that is a sampling of some of the biggest hits.

2. Damn, I miss BDawk.

3. You want to look up Eagles’ dirty hitters, go find some Andre Waters clips, lol.

by Qwest on Oct 20, 2010 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

"biggest prick in the NFL"?

i feel bad for jackson and obviously i wish him a speedy recovery. but jackson had the ball in his hands and defenders are paid to make sure he doesn’t hold on to it. dawkins would have blown him up too and he would have been glorified here for it.

by Q27 on Oct 22, 2010 9:28 AM EDT reply actions  

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