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Random thoughts from around the rest of the NFC East

I've been doing my random thoughts from each Eagles game so far, but this week I figured I'd switch it up a bit and turn my attention to our division rivals, since I've been able to see all but 2 of their games so far this season.  Cowboys fans... Read no further:

Ø  Before the season started last year, back before the Eagles traded for Jason Peters, I remember wondering how exactly the Eagles were going to block the Giants' D Line.  They had Osi Umenyiora, Justin Tuck, Mathias Kiwanuka, Chris Canty, Barry Cofield, etc etc.  Deep... and talented.  At the time, many pundits were saying the Giants were the best team in the NFL, based on the strength of their offensive and defensive lines.  As silly as that sounds now, at the time, I kind of bought it.  And then... they just weren't that good.  Well, news flash: Their defensive line... Yeah, it's good again.  Their defense is currently #1 in the league in yards allowed (244.6 per game), and is 3rd in sacks (19).  Most disturbing is the play of a guy that I had always believed was overrated in the first place, and soon-to-be finished after his lingering knee injury and general bad attitude, Osi Umenyiora.  Give credit where credit is due - So far this season, Umenyiora has 6 sacks... and 5 forced fumbles.  I'll repeat that last part - Osi Umenyiora has forced 5 fumbles so far this season - 2 against Chicago, 2 against Houston, and 1 against Carolina.  The Giants won all 3 of those games.  Am I worried once again about the Eagles ability to block the Giants' D Line?  I sure am.

Ø  If somebody were to tell me that after Week 5 the Redskins were going to beat 3 teams with the level of talent of the Eagles, Cowboys, and Packers, I'd have laughed in their face.  And yet, they lost to the freaking Rams?  Really?  I have no idea what to make of this team.  Are they good?  Are they bad?  I'm thinking more bad than good, but I'll say this - They're finding ways to win the close ones.

Ø  The Cowboys are an absolute mess.  Their O Line can't block anybody, their defense has grossly underperformed, they've had 2 epic disasters (the fumble return at the end of the first half against the Redskins and the TD celebration penalty against the Titans), their 3-headed monster running game is 24th in the league in yards/game and has a combined 1 TD on the ground, their kicker is extremely unreliable (although he can run fast and bench press a lot of weight), the "best TE in the league" (as I've been told) isn't playing even remotely like it, and their special teams have been bad.  They're 1-3, including a loss at home after a bye, and their next 2 games are at Minnesota and then home against the Giants.  Hang on... I need a cigarette.  I could go on, but I think that's good enough for now.  Do I like kicking the Cowboys when they're down, you might ask?  Yes.  Yes I do.

Star-divide

Ø  OK, having said that bad stuff about the Cowboys, I will say this...  I reluctantly admit that Miles Austin is hands down the best WR in the NFC East (and is easily top 5 in the NFL), and to my complete surprise, Roy Williams is actually putting together a decent season so far.

Ø  For a small guy (5'9, 198) Ahmad Bradshaw is a very tough runner, and he fights hard for every yard he gets (449 of them so far in just 5 games, just FYI).  But maybe he fights too hard for every yard - He has 3 fumbles so far this season (lost all 3), and once defenses in the NFL see a weakness there, they will absolutely go after the football like piranhas.  On this same theme, Brandon Jacobs' days as a feature NFL running back are over.  But if he can keep his mouth shut and be content to contribute as a role player, he's a guy that could be a great asset to that team as late-game sledge hammer type that just buries tired defenses.  Did I mention I'm worried about the Giants?  Well... I am.

Ø  David Diehl was injured on Sunday and our old friend Shawn Andrews subbed in for him at LT.  I giddily prepared to watch Mario Williams eviscerate Andrews.  He didn't.

Ø  Clinton Portis is the best pass blocking RB in the NFL.  It was comical watching him absolutely blow up Keith Brooking in their Week 1 matchup.

Ø  The Cowboys are getting absolutely no production whatsoever from their entire 2009 draft class, which was 12 players deep.  A quick look at those players - Jason Williams, Robert Brewster, Stephen McGee, Victor Butler, Brandon Williams, DeAngelo Smith, Mike Hamlin, David Buehler, Stephen Hodge, John Phillips, Mike Mickens, and Manuel Johnson.  In fairness, Phillips was looking like a solid player in the preseason, before he tore his ACL.  Otherwise, the only other player that even sees the field with any regularity whatsoever is Buehler, and although I'll certainly give him credit for his ability to generate touchbacks, I'll take just about any kicker in the league over him when it comes to actually... you know... kicking field goals.

Ø  OK, now I'm wondering which draft class is worse... the Cowboys' 2009 class, or the Redskins' 2008 class, which consisted of the following players: Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly, Chad Rinehart, Justin Tryon, Durant Brooks, Kareem Moore, Colt Brennan, Rob Jackson, and Chris Horton.  It's way too early to tell yet, but I'm leaning toward the Cowboys' 2009 class.

Ø  Back in the 90's, Ed McCaffrey was the guy in the NFL that always seemed to be on the wrong end of vicious hits.  I thought long and hard who that player was in the 00's, but couldn't really think of anyone.  However, the leader out of the gate in this new decade is Kevin Boss.

Ø  And finally, I hate myself for doing a power ranking, but here are my current NFC East Power Rankings - 1 - Giants, 2 - Redskins, 3 - Eagles, 4 - Cowboys.

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Miles Austin

is such a threat WR. I love the ability and explosiveness of DeSean and Jeremy, but I truly wish we had a number one with size and ability like Austin that didn’t disappear in games/the red zone.

by PhiladelphiaEagles on Oct 11, 2010 5:21 PM EDT reply actions  

What’s absolutely maddening about Austin too is that they got him for free. For all Romo’s faults, Dallas has a #1 receiver and starting QB that they got for nothing.

How much of that is luck, and how much credit we give them for coaching those guys up, I’m not sure, but imagine how ****ed they’d be if they hadn’t gotten those guys off the scrap heap.

by BrianS on Oct 11, 2010 5:28 PM EDT reply actions  

Ugh..

The Giants are playing like that Superbowl team- an offense that puts up enough points, and a run game that can kill time like crazy, AND a ridiculously good defense…

I’m not liking this. At all.

by LegendKnight22 on Oct 11, 2010 5:39 PM EDT reply actions  

Two weeks ago the Giants got pimp-slapped by the Titans

Calm down. Fortunes change quickly in the NFL.

This is a marathon, and the Giants have done a couple nice mile splits. But no team really looks like the class of this division yet, and I suppose there are arguments still for all four of them.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

True.

But, the stats aren’t lying. And, I’ve been actually watching all of their games (I live in NY), and the past two weeks they’ve been playing lights out defense.

But, yeah. This is the NFL- “on any given Sunday.” Still, you can’t ignore how good their defense has been playing.

by LegendKnight22 on Oct 11, 2010 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm not ignoring it

I’m just saying I’d like to see it for more than 2 consecutive weeks before I go whole-hog with “ridiculously good” and worrying.

Do you though.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 6:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry to say...

the Giants actually moved the ball at will and stopped the Titans O at will that whole game. They turned the ball over in the red zone. And they also committed penalty after penalty in the red zone to get themselves out of FG range.

They got pimp slapped by the Colts. But they beat themselves that Titans game…much more then the Cowporkers did against the Titans.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 7:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don't apologize, interpret 29-10 however you like ...

… the point remains that I’m not ready to freak out about the Giants’ awesomeness after two very good games because not three weeks ago they were less than very good.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

29-10 is the score..no doubt.

But if you watched the game, the ingredients were there. And the Giants ain’t the Cowboys.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 7:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'd disagree with you there

Your defense has certainly outplayed ours to this point… But the exact same thing happened in our game yesterday. We moved the ball virtually at will the entire second half, and the defense made adjustments at halftime – they scored primarily because we gave them so many short fields off of bone head mistakes (re: primarily Doug Free and Colombo). Like I said below, I’ve never seen a team absolutely refuse to win a game like the Boys did last night. Considering their record, maybe I shouldn’t defend them…. but I’ve still got a little pride Lol

by BigTTech on Oct 11, 2010 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed.

You did the same thing against the Titans we did…I don’t know who they sacrificed to the football gods to get all of these breaks, but hey…a W’s a W.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 7:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Just wish I could say the same again

I’m considering offering up my younger brother at this point

by BigTTech on Oct 11, 2010 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

rec'd

"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China

by snowhill82 on Oct 12, 2010 6:10 AM EDT up reply actions  

They went through 0-6 to start last season

The football gods are merely attempting to save face.

by cwel87 on Oct 11, 2010 9:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Giants aren't the Cowboys

since they weren’t predicted to win the SB this year by everyone. The Giants are a team trying to get back on track. Sure, they did the same exact thing as teh Cowboys against the Titans..pretty much, the difference is it was something to build off of for the Giants, while it was the same old same old for the Cowboys.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very fair.

This division has a roller coaster ride of a season ahead of it.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 7:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that goes back to the original point ...

With three teams at 3-2, and 1-3 not being as far back as it may seem (especially with the Cowboys’ talent), I don’t think any of us can honestly say we know what we’re going to get from our teams for the next two months.

When somebody does something for three, four, five weeks in a row, maybe I’ll begin to believe.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm just bracing myself for injuries

I think they’ll take us out of the equation again…

I swear we’re the most fragile team in the league

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

With Bunkley gone,

we’ve lost what? 3 starters already? Ridiculous!!!

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yes

And if we look amazing against good teams when he comes back, we’ll get excited.

He might need to be amazing, because I’m not sure we’re going to stop too many teams. It looks like one of those years we’ll usually need 24 or so to win.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 9:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Our whole game will come down to injuries

we have upside…but if Peters goes out…we will suck quickly!!!

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

Panthers just got Devin Thomas....Interesting

Im worried about the Giants. Im glad we dont play them soon. Maybe they can self implode before we play them

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Η κόλαση δεν έχει μυστικά

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

"fuk u i hate peas"- CNCITINFO (Random BGN troll)

by Udalango on Oct 11, 2010 5:46 PM EDT reply actions  

My bet would be ST louis.

UDDDDAAAAAA!!!!!!!!!!!!

Η κόλαση δεν έχει μυστικά

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!!

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by Udalango on Oct 11, 2010 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Redskins are the only team that looks worse the more it wins ...

… I’ve never seen anything like it. I’m actually less worried about them after their 3-2 start than I was looking at them on paper in preseason.

Simply put, their style of victory (so far) is unsustainable.

They could easily be 0-5 like the 49ers. They aren’t, and that’s a credit to them. I actually think their best game was the OT loss against the Texans (so to be fair, they could be 4-1 as well).

They have played good defense the past few weeks. They haven’t really gotten much out of Haynesworth yet. They are cutting a lot of the dead weight off that roster and giving jobs to young, hungry players like Anthony Armstrong, Brandon Banks and Ryan Torain.

That would be about where the positives end. They go long stretches (at least 2 quarters) in every game not being able to move the ball. They usually can’t run the ball and rely on Kyle Shanahan’s Texans magic to bail them out. They were terrible on defense against the Texans, and they don’t generate much pressure outside of Orakpo. They just benched their best guard (though not their best fit for Shanahan system) and Trent Williams is banged up, so I think their O-line will continue to struggle.

Basically they have a lot of improving to do. If the Jags weren’t also 3-2, I’d say they are the flimsiest 3-2 team in the league. And yes, since the Eagles lost to these guys, they must be mentioned in the same breath.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 5:49 PM EDT reply actions  

The Cardinals

Also flimsy at 3-2.

Carry on.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 6:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

A small correction:
The Cowboys are an absolute mess.

Yes, they are.

Their O Line can’t block anybody

If what we saw in the Tennessee game continues, yeah, but before that game they saw 1 sack in god knows how many attempts from Romo (a lot)… Just because the Tennessee game was a complete meltdown from the Line, it doesn’t mean that they have been awful in the other games…

Now, can they get the auto-aim from their own foots? I hope that they do, you can do the opposite.

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 11, 2010 5:54 PM EDT reply actions  

JimmyK has had a hard-on for the Dallas line

since the year began. I’m sure you pay closer attention to the Cowboys than he does, but I find it hard to believe Jimmy’s perception about the Dallas line is off base. He’s no doubt been watching as he’s dyyying to be right on that one.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 6:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, that I know

Which is why as soon as he has something to chew on, he’ll inmediately jump on to it.

But what I said is right on, 1 sack in the first 3 games and when we’re talking about a team that’s throwing the ball as much as the Cowboys, that’s saying something…

Now, if the level of play displayed in the Tennessee game continues… Romo won’t finish the season in one piece…

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 11, 2010 7:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

If it makes you feel any better

The Cowboys still worry me most. Even at 1-3.

Maybe that’s last year talking, but maybe not …

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

we're all worried about the team that got us last year

A giants fan I know from work doesn’t worry at all about the Cowboys, but he worries about the Eagles.

I’m not that worried about the Giants (yet), but until we redeem ourselves against the Cowboys, they’re the team with the target on them in my book

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

Makes perfect sense

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Well, let’s see… As I noted, the 3-headed monster is 24th in the league in rushing – The OL has opened up nothing for them in the run game. Alex Barron was a major factor in costing the Cowboys the game against the Redskins. Leonard Davis was freaking benched this week. The OL had SEVEN penalties against the Titans, 4 against the Bears, and 5 against the Skins. Tony Romo does an exceptional job of getting away from pressure and as a result the number of sacks don’t seem like a lot, but let’s be real, Chandus – The OL has been God awful… and you know it.

They’ve had one good game (Houston), and there’s only been one good player (Doug Free).

by JimmyK on Oct 12, 2010 2:58 PM EDT up reply actions  

They’ve been inconsistent, which is quite a difference… I’ve seen guys like Leonard Davis pull a perfect and dominating block and then they follow that play with a dumb mistake…

Let’s say that they’re playing like Max Jean-Gilles plays, it’s like a 50-50 proposition between the good and the bad… With the excemption that they have a lot of experience playing at a better level than what we’re currently seeing, meanwhile Jean-Gilles hasn’t shown that he’s capable of playing at a better level.

Does that mean that they’re horrible? In my opinion, horrible is Cory Procter starting. In your opinion, that would be King Dunlap starting.

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 12, 2010 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions  

If your defense is that the Cowboys line is better than the Eagles line ...

… you aren’t helping yourself much.

The odd part of it all is that Doug Free aka the expected weakest link gets a JimmyK compliment.

You are right about King Dunlap though.

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 8:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

No, I haven't said that

Are you a fan of Jean-Gilles? From what I’ve seen, and I’ve seen him play pretty much all of his games, he’s a wildly inconsistent player.

Imagine a Line with 4 Jean-Gilles.

That’s the Cowboys Line right now, it isn’t pretty, but they can play and win with those guys on the lineup, they just have to keep their mistakes to a minimum, just like the rest of the team…

Arnold, almost 5 years of good memories, you'll be missed.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Oct 12, 2010 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

The giants dline is the reason they won the superbowl

And its the reason they are winning now. It disgusts me to have to say they look pretty good.

Me Gusta Los Eagles

by RanjeethR on Oct 11, 2010 5:57 PM EDT via mobile reply actions  

Wait, what?

The Giants have a good D-line??!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions  

RE: Cowboys

Remember last year during week 14 when the Cowboys were on a 2 game losing streak and had just escaped Washington by a score of 7-6? They had to face the undefeated Saints the next week.

Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?

She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...

by rajav on Oct 11, 2010 6:02 PM EDT reply actions  

and ended up going on a 4 game win streak. They just have too much talent to be given up on

Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?

She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...

by rajav on Oct 11, 2010 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not sure if you're being sarcastic....

But if not, I think you’re being way to kind to this team. I’m usually a Cowboys apologist and believe they’ll figure a way to pull something out. But so far this season it seems like they just don’t want to win – last night I thought they were playing hot potato and saying “here you go! All yours.” Really, really pathetic considering the feeling I got that they dominated the game (other than points of course…. and Mike Jenkins)

by BigTTech on Oct 11, 2010 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions  

talent?

im sick of hearin about all this “talent” that dallas has!! please stop overrating this team!! thy will finish dead f’ing last!!

by C double-U on Oct 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wheres Joe-D? I thought he said the Giants Blow.

It was just a matte of time before they got better, and now they are.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 11, 2010 6:07 PM EDT reply actions  

Always believe the opposite of whatever he says. He’s perpetually wrong.

Phillies- 2010 NL Eastern Division Champions!
Eagles- Its a QB Round-about. Where's McNabb?

by bdawk4ever on Oct 11, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

No point in trying to hold JoeD accountable.

by AZ Eagle on Oct 12, 2010 12:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

Im not the type to let mistakes slide. aha

I call people out on their wrong doings, and expect the same to be done to me.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 12, 2010 1:32 AM EDT up reply actions  

And......

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Oct 11, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Just got word that Brodrick Bunkley is out for the whole year. He will undergo surgery.

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Oct 11, 2010 6:16 PM EDT reply actions  

Yup.

Stew, Asante, Kolb, Vick, Lesean, Todd, Peters, Jackson, Weave and now Bunk…

When will it end.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 11, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think Trevor Laws will fill in quite nicely due to his play early in the season so far.

eff you we winning anyway
A.I. IS BACKKKKKKK

by eagleswin on Oct 11, 2010 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah

that’s not a position where there’s much drop off from starter to backup. I actually like Dixon a lot too.

Peters is another issue…if he’s hurt, we’re in trouble b/c the dropoff to our back up there is TERRIBLE

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Herremans to LT, Wells to LG

problem solved…

"Who's been eatin' hummus?"

by Bisch on Oct 11, 2010 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wish it was that easy. Herremans has been almost as bad as Peters this year.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 12, 2010 1:33 AM EDT up reply actions  

who's Wells?

Reggie Wells? The guy who can’t get on the field b/c he’s still ‘learning the system’ like Stacy Andrews was for over a year.

If Wells were a player, he’d be playing…I don’t trust him

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Oct 12, 2010 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

At least all those guys you mentioned Laker

aren’t out for the year.

But never has it been more apparent that depth is key to winning in the NFL. (or just dumb-luck health). Especially with this year seeming so wide-open so far

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jeff Owens is on the PS right? I would be surprised if he’s not elevated to the team to replace Bunk. Boo Robinson is a candidate to be brought back in on the PS.

by youaretheman26 on Oct 11, 2010 6:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good point

I forgot about Owens. Good opportunity for him and for us to see what he can do.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 7:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think its more about luck to be honest. Hate to say that, but thats what i think.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 11, 2010 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions  

Wow...

We just get decimated each year.

by BrianS on Oct 12, 2010 12:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Remember last year that the Gigantes were 5-0 at this point, and had the 2nd-best defense (either yards-wise or points-wise, maybe both, I can’t remember) in the league, both with better numbers than they have now.

Fates can change at the drop of a hat.

"I wish it went back to, like, old school, like banana hammocks." Ryan Lochte on FINA suit ruling

by alcatraz0109 on Oct 11, 2010 6:17 PM EDT reply actions  

Eh when you have a d-line as good as theirs your always going to be in the game.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 11, 2010 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Brilliant
Fates can change at the drop of a hat.

I feel like someone might have posted something similar above.

Nice Lochte quote btw

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 6:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

I was wondering if someone would get that quote.

"I wish it went back to, like, old school, like banana hammocks." Ryan Lochte on FINA suit ruling

by alcatraz0109 on Oct 11, 2010 7:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Sadly, I covered some swimming in my day ...

… heard that term, and followed the suit craziness last year too.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 9:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

difference is

we beat up on 4 bad teams(and the ’Girls) to reach that 5-0 mark.

we just beat 2 teams that are a combined 7-3, and defensively shut down the Titans. offense, and special teams, well that was a different story.

plus we are healthier than we were last year.

Yes, I am a Giants fan. Now that we got that out of the way....
IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who is the better WR?

Nicks or Maclin? So far I would have to give the edge to Nicks

Who's Been Eatin' Hummus?

She passed wind, excused herself, and sponged off in the corner as I sat dazed and confused...

by rajav on Oct 11, 2010 6:37 PM EDT reply actions  

I really don't think

either team regrets its pick.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 6:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

This.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

I'm probably biased

but I say Nicks. The routes he runs are precision. I don’t think either team has a problem with the pick tho.

But Nicks seems to think its against the rules to catch deep bombs, and Maclin is very good at that.

Winning cures all...even stupid

by FreeBradshaw on Oct 11, 2010 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah, I think I’ve seen NIcks drop a few deep balls that would have easily put the Gaints in FG range. That made me do a facepalm, even though I’m not a Giants fan. For now, I think they are both equal in talent.

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by eagleswin on Oct 11, 2010 7:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

i think that's the correct call

Maclin has a chance to be a good wideout. Nicks has a chance to be great.

and the numbers so far in there career hold true to that statement.

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by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

Based on what? Maclin is certainly faster than Nicks, and has very good hands. I’m not sure how you could say Nicks has more potential to be great than Maclin.

Early in their careers the production has been pretty similar. Maclin is the number 2 here, while Nicks has clearly become the main man in NY. Is that because Nicks is better, or because DeSean is such a special player? I’d lean towards it being due to DeSean.

by AZ Eagle on Oct 12, 2010 12:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

i think number one or two

is determined by the player’s ability. If the Eagles signed Andre Johnson tomorrow, would D-Jax still be the number one because he’s special? no. and i’m not taking anything away from Maclin, he’s good, he’ll put up some nice numbers in his career. but to me, he seems more along the role of a number 2 receiver. he hasn’t impressed me as far as route running, or going over the middle. which is fine, that’s not his game; he’ll burn the shit out of you. but to me, Nicks is a more complete wideout already.

And to further my point, and in your own words, “Nicks has clearly become the main man in NY.” And he became that because he showed the ability. and he didn’t take over for a slouch; Steve Smith had over 100 catches and 1200 yards last year. so it’s not like we were barren at the position.

you’re right, the numbers were very similar in there rookie year, so i’ll call that one a draw. this year so far?:
 
Rec Yds Avg Yds/G TD
NICKS 33 409 12.4 81.8 6

MACLIN 18 257 14.3 51.4 4

Advantage, Nicks.

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by wilddre22 on Oct 12, 2010 1:24 AM EDT up reply actions  

with our QB problems you can just throw numbers out the window. I do think Nicks is slightly better then Maclin, but not as big a drop-off as you make it seem.

Plus with our o-line being as terrible as it is, we dont really have enough time to let our receivers do what they do best. Run, deep.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 12, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

it's all relative

good qb’s make receivers better, and vice versa. also, your offense is pass first, whereas ours is more balanced(or claims to be!) so the chances in your west coast offense would be greater IMO.

can’t argue with you on the o-line! if queen dunlap is protecting kolb’s blindside, you might want to tell your third stringer(Kavka?) to warm up.

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by wilddre22 on Oct 12, 2010 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

I hate that question

it’s a matter of opportunity, scheme, QB…a lot of things…

They’re both good players, they’re both doing what’s asked of them

Why does it have to be more than that?

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by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:40 PM EDT up reply actions  

Very honest analysis here Jimmy.

Really good read.

I know how this is going to sound coming from a Giants fan, and I know you already gave us a lot of props…but I just have to state my case for Hakeem Nicks for best receiver in the NFC East here.

The Cowboys throw the ball a hell of a lot more than the Giants do, clearly evident by the fact that Romo has the same number of attempts as Eli…in one less game. Nicks is only a second year player, and he’s leading all NFL Wide Receivers in touchdowns so far (6), and third amongst WRs for 20+ yard receptions (8).

Take into account Eli loves to spread the ball around (28 Receptions for Steve Smith, 14 for Mario Manningham) and I think the edge might have to go to Nicks here.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 7:14 PM EDT reply actions  

Really?

I say Austin. And I hate that guy. I’d much rather be saying Jackson, of course, but the Eagles allow him to be taken out of games too easily. And Nicks in the first half yesterday, I think all but one of his 7 catches went for a first down or touchdown.

Also, I’m of the opinion that we shouldn’t waste too much time arguing on who’s “better” since all three teams are actually in pretty good shape at wide receiver for the near future. You know who would like some of our guys? The Redskins.

(and even they probably fell in love with Anthony Armstrong a little bit yesterday)

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not arguing.

Just simply pointing out there’s a case that could be made.

You’re absolutely right though, McNabb has gotta be missing Jackson/Maclin in D.C.

On the other hand is Jackson missing McNabb? I saw some numbers last week comparing Jackson with Vick throwing to him, to Jackson with Kolb throwing to him…wasn’t pretty, and DeSean was again a non-factor last night…any validity to the perception Kolb does not utilize Jackson as well as he could?

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 7:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

I saw that graphic too ...

… and it’s undisputable as far as this season is concerned, but Kolb hit Jackson for long TDs (catch-and-runs) in both of his starts last year.

So I don’t know if it’s partially a function of Jackson’s game, in that he’s a boom-or-bust type guy, or that the Eagles have yet to realize that they need to force some short stuff to Jackson just to see if he can run with it (You know that WR middle screen play that rose to prominence about 2005 and I hated because 95% of the teams that ran it didn’t do it with any kind of precision needed to make it succeed? If I weren’t worried about getting DJax killed, that’d be the sort of thing they need to do with him).

Anyway, tangent aside … I like dissenting viewpoints, so I don’t take your disagreeing as arguing. I asked “Really?” because I was curious.

If there had been any kind of consistency to the Eagles’ season, we might be able to draw some conclusions from the numbers. I think some teams commit so hard to taking him away that he’s just going to have clunker games. But the Vick/Kolb numbers so far this year were stark

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 10:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

DeSean wouldve had a long TD last night off a good throw from Kolb but he fell. I dont remember when it happened though.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 12, 2010 1:35 AM EDT up reply actions  

See to me that makes perfect sense.

Everyone is clearly aware of the deep threat that DeSean presents, but I don’t remember ever seeing the Eagles giving him many opprotunities in open space ALA Steve Smith of the Panthers, or Santana Moss of the ’Skins…you would think with his speed those type of opprotunities to make plays should be a staple in your offensive game plan, but perhaps (like you said) they are afraid of a man his size taking too many shots when his strength is obviously burning D-Backs and stretching the field.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 10:06 AM EDT up reply actions  

Nicks is good, but he’s far behind Austin and Jackson.

by JimmyK on Oct 11, 2010 8:14 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Hmm...

Looking at the numbers between Nicks and Austin I don’t know if at this point one is head and shoulders above the other.

Nicks: REC: 33 YDS: 409 TDS: 6
Austin: REC: 31 YDS: 474 TDS: 2

With more receptions and touchdowns in a more run oriented offense (rushing 145 times compared to Dallas’ 92), a compelling case could be made for Nicks, but with 65 more yards in one fewer game the argument is obviously their for Austin…certainly to the point where no one should be considered “hands down” better than the other in my opinion.

With the numbers Jackson has put up thus far: REC: 18 YDS: 361 TDS: 2, I just don’t see how you could reach this conclusion that:

Nicks is good, but he’s far behind Austin and Jackson.

Perhaps he needs a full season to gain your respect as an elite receiver, and to that thought I would digress, but should he continue at this pace…he won’t be behind anybody.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 9:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m basing my opinions on watching them play, not merely numbers.

by JimmyK on Oct 11, 2010 9:35 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

Okay.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 11, 2010 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions  

and what have you seen in the other two

that you haven’t seen in Nicks?

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IMPEACH DOLAN!!!!

by wilddre22 on Oct 11, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

A lot.

by JimmyK on Oct 12, 2010 7:07 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions  

...less touchdowns.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 9:44 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

this made me laugh out loud

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2010 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Time is the only issue against Nicks

At this point, Steve Smith has done more than Nicks in the division…

yes, Nicks has had a few good games, and is putting himself in a position to be in the conversation…but 5 games doesn’t make the best WR in the division.

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by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:45 PM EDT up reply actions  

This I can agree with.

It’s fair to say that Nicks has been better than DeSean Jackson (perhaps due to the QB issues), and at the very least comparable to Miles Austin through the first five weeks of this season, but both of those recievers have proven their ability over an entire season, something Nicks needs to do to be in the conversation.

Thirty-nine seconds left...Manning lobs it, Burress alone, touchdown New York.

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions  

Draft comparison
Ø OK, now I’m wondering which draft class is worse… the Cowboys’ 2009 class, or the Redskins’ 2008 class, which consisted of the following players: Devin Thomas, Fred Davis, Malcolm Kelly, Chad Rinehart, Justin Tryon, Durant Brooks, Kareem Moore, Colt Brennan, Rob Jackson, and Chris Horton. It’s way too early to tell yet, but I’m leaning toward the Cowboys’ 2009 class.

Kareem Moore starts at free safety and since he’s been back (last 2 games), they’ve stopped stinking up the joint back there.

That alone gives the Skins the edge at the moment.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 7:21 PM EDT reply actions  

Chris Horton wasn’t too bad his rookie year. I also think Fred Davis has filled in nicely when Cooley was injured. Kelly and Thomas are big busts though, I remembering thinking back then, oh man if those receivers develop………………….

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by eagleswin on Oct 11, 2010 7:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

Fred Davis had a nice 2nd half of last year, but hasnt improved on it.

Chris Horton had a nice rookie year, but has been terrible ever since.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 11, 2010 8:44 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yeah both those guys have been invisible

under Shanahan. Davis, like Devin Thomas, might be able to play in this league, if not for MikeMike.

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by D3Keith on Oct 11, 2010 10:27 PM EDT up reply actions  

I agree.

I know everyone think Shanahan is some sort of genius, but i just dont see it. Redskins are one holding penalty, avant drop, and a mason crosby FG away from being 0-4.

Their luck wont last.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 12, 2010 1:37 AM EDT up reply actions  

I agree pretty much completely

Good write up, can’t say I disagree with much.

Even if I don’t like Miles Austin…

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by Willgfass on Oct 11, 2010 8:15 PM EDT reply actions  

Nice even analysis

regarding the d-line, it’s amazing how people don’t take into account the injuries they had. With Tuck playing with two healthy arms, and Canty not being crippled by his calf tear, they can actually show what they’re capale of when everyone is healthy and…oh yeah, Kiwi’s been out and Osi has foot and hip problems. Huh. I’ll just fall back on the easy answer that Bill Sheridan was a freaking moron that couldn’t utilize his weapons properly, something PF seems to have figured out after a quarter of the season.

"Stop the run to earn the right to rush the passer"- great philosophy from new SU DLine coach Jimmy Brumbaugh.

by bigbluethruandthru on Oct 11, 2010 10:10 PM EDT reply actions  

What can you make of the Redskins?

Against us, Mason Crosby nails a 52 yarder without hesitation.

Against the Skins, he misses a 53 yarder and it’s a 3 point loss in OT.

by DLawrence55 on Oct 11, 2010 11:18 PM EDT reply actions  

Miles Austin is a beast

the guy catches about EVERYTHING…he’s as strong as a TE and as fast as a guy 30lbs smaller.

He really makes me wish we had a guy that we could force it to (like Austin, like Roddy White)

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by jalarsen1 on Oct 11, 2010 11:46 PM EDT reply actions  

If were wishing for players. Id take o-lineman with all of mine.

Our receivers are great, no need for anymore.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 12, 2010 1:38 AM EDT up reply actions  

lol

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 8:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

he gets to bang kim tho

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I like vick

by dday on Oct 12, 2010 5:01 AM EDT up reply actions  

Jesus Walks!

There is a God.

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 8:04 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good article

A nice writeup of the division with a personal slant.

I think the big difference is the two new DC’s in the division.

Fewell is using the same players Sheridan had last year and turned them into the defence we thought we were getting last year. Haslett despite all the protests about using the 3-4 has the Skins playing strong defence with some good players and some cast offs like Carriker.

The Cowboys still have WP as the DC but the inside LB’s have got old and the safeties are next to useless – but they still have some good players in Ware, Ratliff and Spencer.

The Eagles were a real tough defence under JJ but appear to have lost their way under McDermott – is that a fair comment to make? If so do the Eagles fans still feel that he is the right man for the job or should he be replaced at season end?

by G Fan in England on Oct 12, 2010 6:06 AM EDT reply actions  

The Eagles were a real tough defence under JJ but appear to have lost their way under McDermott – is that a fair comment to make?

I think that’s fair, though JJ defenses threw up their share of stinkers, too. To me, they just seemed like the defensive version of the “bad McNabb” games. Here, there seems like less variation and more consistent mediocrity, the Jags (who maybe aren’t as completely awful as we made them look?) game being an outlier at this point.

I think it’s still unclear whether it’s McDermott or the talent he has at his disposal. Vincent, Taylor (and later Brown and Sheppard in their best years), Dawk, Trot, and Hugh Douglas in their primes could probably hide a lot of sins.

I don’t mean that as disrespect to JJ at all, I just don’t think McDermott has had the same caliber of playmakers. I think the D still has room to grow with a lot of young and new starters who still need to mesh as a unit. I don’t think that process will be complete in 1 season*, but I’m hoping they get better throughout the year.

If they don’t, this might be Dick Jauron’s mess to clean up next year.

*I didn’t say the “r” word, but you know what I mean.

by BrianS on Oct 12, 2010 9:26 AM EDT reply actions  

Who do you think

has the best secondary in the NFC East?

My bias goes with the Giants. Any dissenters?

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2010 5:23 PM EDT reply actions  

I'd like to hear why

Off top, Hall/No-hands Rogers/Landry/Moore, Samuel/Hobbs/Mikell/Allen and Jenkins/Newman/safeties I can’t even name seem pretty good in their own rights. If you want to start a discussion about it, why do you like the Giants better? Depth? Good fit for the scheme? I gotta imagine the pass rush makes those guys look good.

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions  

First I will say I agree.

The pass rush is no doubt having a significant bearing on the following numbers, but if we’re going to discuss it, here they are…

We are leading the NFL in Passing Yds/G allowed, with our opponent putting up only an average of 146 yards a game through the air. This compared to the 8th ranked Eagles (192), and the 12th ranked Cowboys (205). The Redskins are 30th in the league at 308 yards per game, so forgive me if I won’t be easily convinced that they belong in the discussion (especially considering they haven’t played the Colts yet).

The Eagles do lead the division in INTs with 8, but the Giants aren’t far behind with 6 (the Cowboys only have 2). I do think the Eagles corners are superior when it comes to overall playmaking ability, and based on what I saw last year I would have to give a slight edge in coverage as well. I will say that Corey Webster was arguably the best cornerback in the NFC in 2008, and appears to have returned to that form early this year (more than likely due to the confidence brought with not having C.C. Brown at safety behind him). Where the Giants might have a slight edge at CB is in open field tackling. Third year corner Terrell Thomas is a great open field tackler along with Webster. I must admit I don’t know how well Hobbs excels at that aspect of the game, but from what I’ve seen from Asante it’s not his strongest suit. Add in Aaron Ross who is finally healthy (knocks on wood), and has been making some nice plays in nickel packages, and we have some pretty damn good depth at the cornerback position.

Where the Giants greatest strength in the secondary lies however, is with the safeties. I think we do have some of the most talented safeties in the division with the combination of Antrel Rolle, Kenny Phillips, and Deon Grant. Perry Fewell has been using a 4-2-5 package for most of the games, with all three on the field at the same time. Simply put, these three are tearing it up. As I said the Giants are first in the league in pass defense, and with Grant having 2 INTs, and Phillips with one they are certainly a big part of that, but NY is also 9th in the league in rushing yards allowed (again first in the NFC East), and if you’ve watched the games you’ve definitely seen all three of these guys playing the run with great instinct, and aggression. All three have double digit tackles, with Rolle and Phillips both above 25.

Again, the point could be made that the pass rush is creating quarterback miscues, leading to the secondaries great performance thus far, but just as easily it might be the coverage down field giving the line time to get pressure, and put the quarterback on their ass.

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-Antrel Rolle

by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 9:02 PM EDT up reply actions  

What ^^^ said

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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2010 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Didn't mean to butt in brotha...

Girls at work, and I’m just not doing shit on a Tuesday night lol

It is Tuesday right?

bubble bubble bubble

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by tito (eight and oh) on Oct 12, 2010 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hey

said it better than I could have. Saved me some typing

Yes it is tuesday still.

All you hear about is the past, the past... the past is the !@#$ing past, this is the present.
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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2010 9:38 PM EDT up reply actions  

Nice reply re: the secondaries ...

Don’t take this the wrong way (Will, not Tito), but I’m not a big fan of posts with unsupported opinions. Getting people to expand on them, so we have a decent conversation, is sorta my schtick.

I enjoyed the lengthy explanation, Tito. As you said, it’s Tuesday …

I’m just going to bullet-point my replies. Except with numbers:
1) I always thought, given how many high picks you’ve used on secondary players, that you guys should be better than you are back there. My opinion is probably unfairly influenced by last year’s Eagles games.
2) I love the 4-2-5. Granted I’m partial to DBs, but I always thought if you could get two hybrid SS-type guys on the field, and three guys who can tackle and cover, why wouldn’t you. Plus it gives you a balanced look that gives away less by formation and allows you to blitz from anywhere. I think this will be the next in-vogue defense at some point.
3) C.C. Brown does suck, agreed. Not having him out there alone makes you better.
4) Having corners that are good in run support is way underrated. It’s like a pass-catching tight end who can also block, it’s great to have and can affect a game, but people don’t often appreciate it.
5) Hobbs is actually pretty good there. But also I like Hobbs more than most Eagles fans. Samuel is odd, he’s not afraid to deliver a hit, but he refuses to wrap up, so he whiffs big a lot. He’s probably not as bad a tackler at DeAngelo Hall, but his misses are big ones, and he could def. stand to improve.
6) This leads me to another question, the criteria .. for best corner (Samuel might be the best playmaker, but Newman or Webster or Jenkins might be most well-rounded. Not sure)
7) Since I watch 16 Eagles and 16 Redskins games a year (at least I get paid for the latter) and somewhere more than 4 but fewer than 16 Cowboys and Giants games, and I haven’t seen much of the Giants so far this year, my personal opinion is weighted unfairly, and based a lot on last year for Dallas and NY. Clearly much has changed.
8) With regard to the Skins, I took specific care to mention Moore, because with him they’ve been much better than without him. Also last year, Landry was lost, this year he’s playing like a manchild. Complete 180. Carlos Rogers can cover but might literally have the worst hands in the NFL. Atrocious.
9) Be careful about stats based on 5 games. Who you played can come into play, and one off game or injury can tilt things more than over 16 games.
10) I actually was really impressed by the Dallas secondary last year, especially Jenkins, who I hate almost as much as Miles Austin. Sensabaugh and Scandrick were serviceable and occasionally even good. Prior to that I’d always thought Dallas was a really great safety away from being a dominant D.
11) If we are counting the influence of pass rush, grade the Redskins secondary on a curve … Eagles, Cowboys and Giants get much more pressure on the quarterback than the non-Orakpos do.
12) Depth is definitely important, and I don’t think the Redskins or Cowboys have a nickel guy or can survive injuries as well as the Giants or Eagles.
13) I might be the best at having a lot to add to a discussion without actually answering the question. :)

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

agree with a lot of it.

Some nitpicks: Asante almost definitely the best playmaker, his int stats are testament to that, but from play to play its hard to say he’s the best overall because his playmaking instincts leave him open to double moves and the like (as seen in the 2nd giants/philly game last year)

Landry has definitely come a long way. Its a testament to how much scheme can help a player.

re Jenkins: everyone has bad games, but he was abused on sunday vs the titans. I think (hope at least) the whole ship is going down.

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by Willgfass on Oct 13, 2010 10:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Jenkins

Has struggled all year, he is not disciplined at all for some reason…I love it.

by PhilsForever on Oct 14, 2010 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Eagles

And I am not biased(though an eagles fan), they lead the east in interceptions and with samuel and hobbs starting have shutdown corner potential on both sides, q and allen in the backend with hanson as the third corner are not too shabby either. Their secondary is extremely underrated this year with samuel in.

by PhilsForever on Oct 12, 2010 6:55 PM EDT reply actions  

Not sure how you can say this
I am not biased (though an eagles fan)

But the rest of your argument is sorta compelling

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

I can say it

Because if I honestly believed another team in the east had a better secondary I would say so, but I truly believe the Eagles, with Samuel healthy have the best secondary in the nfc east, nate allen really helps this argument in my opinion.

by PhilsForever on Oct 13, 2010 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions  

Hobbs

is not shutdown corner potential. You can make an argument for Asante although I personally think he’s over rated.

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THIS IS TEMPORARY! A CHAMPIONSHIP IS PERMANENT
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by Willgfass on Oct 12, 2010 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions  

I noticed that too

Meant to mention. Hobbs isn’t as bad as people make him out to be, IMHO, but he’s not “shutdown.”

Then again, that’s just one of those labels like “No. 1 receiver” and “feature back” and “mobile quarterback” that seems to lose its meaning the more people use it.

All corners must have some shutdown ability, just as all QBs need a little mobility, if not to run for first downs, to buy time to avoid the rush. But that’s another crusade for another day.

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by D3Keith on Oct 12, 2010 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

You can say

Samuel is overrated, but he has been glued to no. 1 receivers all year this year, seriously, the guy is covering extremely well…the 49ers game is a testament to how good samuel is. Without him Crabtree went over the century mark for the first time this year and it was easier for Alex Smith to throw. They really missed him that game. He is very valuable to the eagles defense.

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