Navigation: Jump to content areas:


Pro Quality. Fan Perspective.
Login-facebook
Around SBN: FSU To Big 12 'Inevitable,' According To Report

What To Expect From The Offense vs. WAS

I posted a couple of weeks ago ( What To Expect Vs. DET ), before the Detroit game, that under Vick, this offense would put up numbers. I put that out there preemptively, because so many folks were on the 'wait until defenses can gameplan for him' bandwagon. Those pundits and fans, of course, must have chosen to forget that defenses gameplanned for him all the time when he was in Atlanta. Opposing coaches and teams routinely reported that they would spend an ENTIRE DAY of their weekly preparation specifically preparing to face #7.

Despite that, in healthy seasons, he took some truly mediocre rosters to the playoffs. Teams that had terrible lines, bad defense, horrendous receivers and, most glaringly, putrid coaching in the passing game. For all of Andy and Marty's faults, they know a thing or two about the passing game, including route design and creating matchup issues.

Vick is only in his 3rd week of taking 1st string snaps, in his second year with this team. The upside for the Eagles on offense is incredible. Anyway, on to what to expect this week:

Star-divide

Passing Game

As I mentioned in the previous post, defenses HAVE to spy vick, and often allocate two players to the role, with half-field responsibilities. What that means is they will assign an LB or S to take a shallow drop and ensure that Vick doesn't break contain and beat them with a big running play. This is a +1 or +2 advantage to the offense.

Why? The defender(s) assigned to keep Vick in the pocket are 1 or 2 less defenders who will be in coverage or rushing. Pick your poison. Steve Young has mentioned that he loved when teams did that to him because it made finding open receivers easier downfield.

This week, Carlos Rogers indicated that Washington would not only follow suit with the spying precedent, but that they thought that their LBs were too slow, and would therefore assign the task to Safety Laron Landry ( R*dskins Would Rather Face Kolb). This is after he said earlier in the article that the Eagles receivers' success was from 'getting up on the opponents' safeties'. If Landry is forced to spy Vick, that means the Eagles will either face single high safety (3-deep zone or man-under, 1 deep), or they will have to play 'nickel', and replace an LB with another defensive back.

If they spy Vick with the S out of base personnel and rush four DL, that leaves them with 3 LB, 1 S and 2 CB to cover Jackson, Maclin, Celek and McCoy, if they send him out of the backfield. Either Shady or Celek will abuse an LB in coverage, and this means that the safety can provide help over the top to either Rogers (presumably guarding Maclin) or Hall (with a sore back, and presumably trying to stick with  Jackson). And, again, that's sending only four rushers, leaving the Eagles to chip Orakpo with Shady on the way out and still have 5 to block 4. Good luck with that. 

DHall is nowhere as good as he thinks he is, and his specialty is jumping routes on blitzes, which leaves him very susceptible to double moves. Vick will pretty much have his pick going up top to either of his WRs on the outside, and out of twins, or with Celek going deep to force 'choice' for the single high safety.

The way teams used to have success against Vick in ATL was to stack the box with 8 defenders to try to take away the run (and they still led the league in rushing, perennially), and to play press man on the outside (because they did not fear any Falcon receivers). Hall has the athleticism to play close to the line on receivers, but even with his speed he can't cover DeSean for 5 or 6 seconds with the whole field behind him and limited safety help.

Based upon what Houston did to WAS, expect at least 3 TDs through the air, maybe 4.

 

Running Game

Remember what I said about the defenses being Vick conscious, and this providing an advantage to the Eagles' offense? That, as I predicted prior to the DET game, opens up the middle of the field, ESPECIALLY for cutback runners. Truth be told, the running game was there versus the Jags, but their secondary was so bad, it was easier to go over the top.

What won't work: Draw plays. Defenses already rush tentatively versus Vick because they are contain-conscious. The zone/read play that was getting on my nerves doesn't work as well as it could right now because Vick hasn't kept it and DEs are being careful to stay home. What will open it up is if they fake the inside zone, let Vick keep it, and then slip Celek behind the first level of the defense to give a run/pass option in case Vick can't beat Orakpo to the corner. Then, on the next time they run it, the defense will be overly conscious of the keep, and that will open up the middle for Shady out of that look.

Another wrinkle that would be impossible to defend would be to line up in I, fake the stretch right to McCoy, and have Schmitt block left, either chipping the DE's outside shoulder to ensure the corner, or destroying the CB if the defense brings secondary pressure to the backside of run plays, which teams did to Vick a lot in ATL. Then Vick has a run pass option on a bootleg to Schmitt in the flat (assuming no CB blitz), he has the edge due to the chip, and he has the WR on the left going deep, Celek on a deep drag and the (now) backside WR on a deep post.

That's a 20yd gain on the ground at minimum, and 30 yds to a TD depending on if one of the downfield receivers is open.

Eagles should be able to put up 150yds on WAS, and maybe a TD there.

Overall, bear in mind that the Eagles had about 3 drives killed versus the Jags due to brainfarts (DeSean not dragging his feet on the out, and running backwards in the middle of the field, plus a drop by Celek). And Vick missed on two or three throws early. I expect them to still be cleaning up those types of mistakes.

And they are still getting to know each other.

I don't *think* that WAS has enough of a running game to burn clock, especially with Bradley back in the lineup. They are going to be dependent upon making some big plays downfield to Santana Moss, or possibly death by a thousand cuts if the Eagles can't cover Cooley. Assuming that WAS doesn't somehow dominate T.O.P., the Eagles have every reason to be able to continue their quick strike habit.

The more I think of it, the only real alternative WAS has is to blitz 7 or so and try to get the ball out of Vick's hands quickly because they can't cover for as long as he can buy time. If they flush him out of the pocket before he can find his downfield guys, that just might end up causing a 50yd scramble.

This should be fun to watch.

Comment 15 comments  |  1 recs  | 

Do you like this story?

Comments

Display:

nice summary! good work man

by daveG10 on Oct 1, 2010 7:26 PM EDT reply actions  

Like the commentary.

The biggest thing is to show we can push the ball down the field early.

If we can keep their LBs from leaning downhill, Vick will be able to have a field day in the run game, and so will Shady.

Look for a lot of sneaky inside handoffs to McCoy while Vick runs a fast bootleg. It’ll draw the spy away from the inside run.

Veritas Liberabit Te

by DSmith215 on Oct 1, 2010 7:44 PM EDT reply actions  

i agree. take some shots early

let mccoy do some damage running up the middle, and then just pick them apart.

main thing is the hot reads had better be correct. the more i think about it, they are gonna need to try to sell out on the blitz to even have a chance.

by poetx on Oct 1, 2010 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions  

Solid analysis

But I don’t think this game will be anywhere near that easy on offense. I’m thinking 17-20 max. Skins always find a way to make it tough for us. I also love the run game suggestions…hope Reid and Marty use them

by DLawrence55 on Oct 1, 2010 8:13 PM EDT reply actions  

thanks. i don't see how the birds don't put

up a bunch of points unless they have a ton of mistakes. they’ve left some points out on the field after the last couple of games… i think the offense is still on the upswing.

and vick is having fun with his new toys. he’s never had WRs he could trust to go up and get the ball in traffic, or consistently beat man coverage, or get YAC. even if washington somehow manages to cover everyone downfield, dude can still take off at will.

its very much an either/or deal. teams can’t shut down the run without exposing themselves to HUGE plays upfield. and they cannot drop 8 into coverage and send three. the eagles will just run deep routes and vick will effortlessly pick up yardage in chunks of 12 or 15.

it may end up getting to that by the end of the season, though.

by poetx on Oct 2, 2010 9:14 PM EDT up reply actions  

I love it

when people think before they post. Good stuff. I hope you’re right about the O lighting up the scoreboard. If Vick wins this one, I’m sold.

Nope.

by bigmeanie08 on Oct 2, 2010 1:39 AM EDT reply actions  

I want to see what approach Andy takes. Since he has MJG starting at RG over Wells, i can see Vick passing 40 times this game with maybe 10 carries by the RBs

by Easedel on Oct 2, 2010 7:21 PM EDT up reply actions  

thanks. i know washington always plays the eagles tough,

and that is regardless of personnel or records on either side of the ball. but WAS just has too many holes. if they try to cover one, they will open up another gaping one.

think about the pressure their D is under. they have to be perfect, b/c the eagles are converting a ridiculous amount of third and longs. so even if they are perfect on 1st and 2nd down, they will be nervous on 3rd and long, because of what’s on tape.

on offense, they haven’t been converting 3rd downs. so if the eagles go up on them early, they will be pressing, and that’s gonna require them to either do something they haven’t done all season, consistently, or turn the ball over.

if andy reid buys into any of the coaching hype, he should take a page out of shanny’s notebook and have vick throw a deep, cross-field 7 (post-corner), off of play action to the opposite side. that would be a VERY nice addition to the offense, b/c DBs typically don’t feel like they have to cover as hard all the way on the backside of playaction, because there are maybe four QBs in the league with the arm strength to make that kind of throw.

by poetx on Oct 2, 2010 9:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

The Offense should be fine. Vick, Desean, Maclin, Celek, Avant are too much for Washington to handle. The only way i see the offense faltering is if the O-Line plays worse then they have been(hard to do). If they get worked and Vick has to roll out every play then wre in trouble.

We wont be running the ball(big surprise) because our O-Line cant consistently get a good push at the LOS. But with Vick, andy should mix in some new quirks. Vick was great in shotgun with Atlanta, and they’d run the option to perfection vem though they didnt have a great O-Line or RB.

by Mr. Laker on Oct 2, 2010 9:18 PM EDT reply actions  

good point about the shotgun. did you notice over

last couple of weeks, vick has been dropping back even deeper in the shotgun. that spreads out the rush vertically in addition to horizontally and increases the creases in the rush in case they have to escape. and unless the defenses are in all-out blitz, they are mush rushing, being very deliberate as they get upfield in order to prevent those creases. the impact is more time for the OL.

by poetx on Oct 2, 2010 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions  

Yea i have noticed that.

But seriously go back and watch highlights of him running the shotgun option in Atlanta, he ran it to perfection. With our running game as bad as it is(not including Mike) why not try new things?

by Mr. Laker on Oct 2, 2010 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions  

See what I see happening is that we actually try establishing a run game early, I think

Reid knows what McNabb is capable of when pissed so he’ll want to keep him off the field..

Running the ball should be good for us, McCoy is better than Westy was last year and he’s pretty damn good this season, I think we begin using him more and more as people adjust back to Vick more and more.. I can see us easily putting 150 on the ground and another 250+ through the air.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.

by wild_eagle on Oct 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT reply actions  

BTW good write up.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

"Please notice the difference and proceed to suck your own tiny ass cock. Secondly, A simulator shows how things COULD go, not WOULD.. Once again bend in half and do the deed.." From me.. To CNCITINFO.

by wild_eagle on Oct 3, 2010 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions  

yep. i'd say 150 on the ground, 300 in the air.

and 35 points. assuming we win the turnover battle.

that 35 points should be able to win against washington, as the defense is playing better, and i think trent cole wins the battle of the trents.

by poetx on Oct 3, 2010 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions  

Comments For This Post Are Closed


User Tools

Welcome to the SB Nation blog about Philadelphia Eagles.

FanPosts

Community blog posts and discussion.

Recommended FanPosts

Mickey-mouse-trap-graphicshunt
NFC bEast Eternal Thread # 51: The NBA is rigged.
Baldeagle_small
Eagles' drafts rank 12th from 1999-2009
Dogbert_small
Building the 53-Man Roster: Part 11(!)(!) of 53
Hill_small
Mock Bleacher Report Article
Small
More Prep Times & Game Outcomes: A Followup By The Numbers

Recent FanPosts

Small
2012: The Season of No Excuses
Small
LeSean McCoy, Arian Foster, Matt Forte, Ray Rice or another running back: Who is the best?
Small
All-time mock draft on MtD
Small
Bell is out.. Now what???
Mickey-mouse-trap-graphicshunt
NFC bEast Eternal Thread #50: Pursuit of Accidents
Small
Ticket information

+ New FanPost All FanPosts >


Managers

Bgnqr_small JasonB

Editors

Img_1084_small Bob_Q

Westy2_small Route36

Pumpkin_small JimmyK

Briandawkins1_small Ben_Larivee

Fb_small Patrick Wall