Donovan may not have thrown up tonight, but I feel like I'm going to...
by JasonB on Jan 9, 2010 11:44 PM EST
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PrintThanks to Mgarv002 for the title...
Let's put this very simply. The Cowboys completely outplayed the Eagles on both sides of the ball for two straight weeks. There's no other way of looking at it. Their QB was better, their offensive line was better, their defensive line was better, their secondary, and their receivers were better. It's that simple. They were a lot better.
Now that we've got that out of the way, we have to look at what needs to change going forward. There was really nothing positive in these past two games. I can't put more of the blame on the offense or the defense. They were both terrible and we'll get into both tonight and probably the whole offseason. However, the defense is clearly lacking in talent. Some of that is due to injury. Certainly the problems in the LB corps owe a lot to injury. However, the lack of a real pass rusher opposite Cole, the lack of even one good safety(yeah I'm including Mikell), and the lack of depth at corner isn't. I know a lot of people in the game threads were blaming rookie defensive coordinator Sean McDermott and maybe he could have done a better job... but the fact is that no amount of scheming makes Macho Harris into a legitimate starting safety right now. Better play calls don't cover up the fact that you're starting your 6th different guy at MIKE and a rookie 7th round pick at SAM. Better play calls don't heal the 20 different injuries that Sheldon Brown seems to have right now. Major investment in new talent is needed on the defensive side this offseason.
After the jump, we'll get into the offense...
Where do we begin? Well, let's avoid the QB for a moment. The offensive line is obviously terrible right now. The loss of Jamaal Jackson played a part in that, but the RG spot has been a big hole all year. Problem is, Jackson probably won't be ready for next year after tearing his knee up two weeks ago so the holes at RG and C aren't going anywhere. Maybe one of the Andrews steps up, maybe a guy like Mike McGlynn steps up at center, heck maybe even Nick Cole could play better with a whole training camp... But I think there clearly needs to be improvements specifically in the middle of that line.
Then there's the old refrain we always we hear... The Eagles called 10 run plays to about 39 pass plays. Certainly the pass plays were going to be inflated in the second half, but even when the game was close the Eagles never really tried to establish the run. Part of that is how poor the offensive line has been, but part of it is on the same thing it's been on for a decade. Andy Reid.
And now.. the moment you've all been waiting for! Donovan McNabb. Let's not sugarcoat this, he flat out stunk tonight. Whether you're one of the McNabb haters or the McNabb backers there's really no defending the job he did tonight. There were absolutely plays where the rush was all over him from the snap... I don't hold those against him, but there were all too many plays were he just held the ball and held the ball and held the ball... In stark contrast, Tony Romo was firing balls out lighting fast and hitting his receivers in stride on quick slants and comebacks. All while McNabb continues to stare downfield. You can never really tell whether guys are open watching on TV, but I find it very hard to believe that every Eagles receiver was blanketed on every play. It was a bad night for McNabb and it's only going to fuel the fire of those who say he folds in big games.
Like I said earlier, this was a bad loss all the way around. Nothing positive to take from it all. It's a bitter taste that's going to follow fans and players alike for the next year. We can only hope they use learn from it and use it as proper motivation. Dallas certainly appears to have done that...
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Yep he was…I agree with everything else jason..man I can’t believe we went out like that
by jjrome on Jan 9, 2010 11:48 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
If mcnabb the starting QB come training camp, im going to fucking die.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
Go ahead and do it now
that way we don’t have to hear you blame McNabb all offseason.
McNabb won on the road in Minnesota and New York last postseason, and brought us back to take a 4th quarter lead in Arizona.
And he would have had to pass for about 400 yards to compensate for this defense in the playoffs this year. EVERY elite team (NO, SD, Dallas twice) worked our defense this year. Straight worked ‘em. … Didn’t matter if McNabb sat out (Saints), passed for 450 yards (Chargers) or couldn’t get anything going (Dallas).
He’s played pretty damn well this year. The only way I’d be on board with McNabb not being here is if we got a Jay Cutler-like haul for him and we gave Kolb a huge extension. And even that would make me a little nervous.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Jan 10, 2010 12:00 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
F*** you.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
by moradi21 on Jan 10, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Thank you....I'm tired of McNabb haters too...
they hate him during the losses and shut up during our wins. Our defense is terrible, how many passes did we see that we WIDE open. some of them I didnt see an Eagle until the camera panned out. I dont think it’s McDermott, I think it’s our talent. Our linebacking corp, although banged up, is embarrassing.
Brian Dawkins for President
It was just an abomination every which way
He did not play well, by any means. But again, it starts and ends with the play of the offensive line, and they just gave McNabb nothing.
It didn’t help that Cole doesn’t know the size of his own ass.
Yeah, I think it was the injuries towards the LB corp that really destroyed this defense down the stretch. But, also it was the communication that the defense didn’t have throughout the whole stretch. Really, this defense didn’t communicate well at all.
by phillyphan9208 on Jan 10, 2010 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Completely agree..he’s had an overall good season
by jjrome on Jan 10, 2010 12:32 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Really?
McNabb didn’t lose this game. He had all of 5 PASSES into late of the second quarter. That’s not his fault. That’s squarely on the defense.
Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
Yep
McNabb didn’t give up 400+ yards, McNabb didn’t mishandle the read option handoff that led to 7, McNabb didn’t fumble at midfield to lead to 3 before the half and McNabb didn’t give up a TD instead of forcing FGAs on basically every red zone drive.
If you want to blame McNabb for the entire offense’s ineffectiveness, that still doesn’t explain why it couldn’t have been 7-7 at half. Or 10-7. Great teams keep it closer. Bottom line.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
ill say this, dare I be optimistic but....
I think we have a ton to build on offensively, I’ve been a Mc5 supporter but that was redic tonight. If he and Vick are traded thats at least a 1 and two 3s so you have that to work with. We have to figure out Avant and Weaver’s contracts, and I think with Stew back and Will having to not learn on the fly with Moses with a yr under his belt, we can have a good LB starters. We need a corner in the 2nd, thats pretty obvious, a starter at LE and a safety like crazy. But lets sleep it off and not shit on everyone yet, I think Don had a bad game but we could have much worse. Dallas was better and that sucks to admit but w/e.
Weaver wants to stay...
but Avant might be gone. Won’t we get a 4th possibly in return?
Anyways, I hope McSuck is traded in the offseason. I can think of some teams who would be willing to give a first and a third/role player on O or D for him. I’d be glad if that happened.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Jan 10, 2010 12:02 AM EST up reply actions
Thanks...
Hopefully we get a pick good enough to get that Thomas out of GaTech. He seems to be the perfect big, slot reciever for Philly.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Jan 10, 2010 12:10 AM EST up reply actions
You wanna draft a WR?
That’s further down my list than RB.
S, LB, OL, DE would be spots I’d focus on.
Depending on what happens with our offensive free agents, I’d say we don’t need to use a single pick on offense. Maybe depth WR and OL. I’m not encouraging ignoring the offense in the draft, I just think we’re potentially close to set everywhere on offense.
And yes, I watched today’s game.
If we could maul in the run game a lil bit, that would change everything. But even if we had the personnel, would we use it to maul?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
In the later rounds, yes...
However, LB, S, DE and OL in that order would be the spots I would focus on. We’re gonna get at least one hopefully in FA and we all know were gonna make some trades in the draft.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Jan 10, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
Peppers anybody?
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
by Zachary Beard on Jan 10, 2010 12:36 AM EST up reply actions
and whoever picks him will probably be in the playoffs that year, while we sit and watch.
Brian Dawkins for President
I am so stunned man, I thought we were going to play at least better than last week, but our defense needs something. I know we will be better with the LB corp will be better, but our secondary was missing something. I guess Weapon X was a big difference in how the secondary plays. I say we should look into bringing a reclamation project in like Aaron Kampman or if we want the big one we go after Julius Peppers. I think Mikel needs to be put back in his natural position, FS and get a SS in there. Also, we need to stop relying on the big play, we should have had a different approach in the beginning of the game and ran the ball instead of throw it right out of the gate. Man, this game hurts so much…….
I agree totally that lack of defensive personnel
was a major deficiency that we were hoping an explosive offense would cover up for.
I think we have a ton to discuss as far as decisions on who to bring back, what positions to focus on in the draft, etc.
Just off top:
McNabb/Kolb/Vick (I prefer status quo, or rather keep McN, extend Kolb, deal Vick)
Curtis – gone
Brown – gone if contract allows
Weaver – new deal
Avant – new deal
Nick Cole – new deal as a G
Shawn Andrews – ?
Stacy Andrews – ?
Stewart Bradley – get healthy
DeSean Jackson – At least Rosenhaus can’t say he dominated in the playoffs; new deal as soon as allowed
Sheldon Brown – will start being unhappy about contract again
Sean Jones – ?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
More
MJG – gone
Macho – should be relegated to role player
Demps – WTF?
Ellis Hobbs – I think his deal is up
I think we learned a ton this year.
McCoy will replace Westbrook
Kolb can play
Celek is elite (and Alex Smith was functional)
DJax/Maclin/Avant will be a great trio
Winston Justice can play
Nick Cole is a decent guard.
MLBs are really important
In the end, we did miss Dawkins.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Semantics
he’s a very good pass-catching tight end. Going into the year, some people thought this was a question; it’s pretty well confirmed, and it’s not nearly the most important step forward we too this year.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
this was celek’s first year as a starter, he’s only going to get better. Also, how is it that with all of those situations, westbrook doesn’t even make the list?
I asked what I was forgetting, lol
Too busy trying to mention all the cool little stuff, forgot the big one.
Will he or won’t he retire.
I think I’m in the minority who thinks he’ll try to play on and might not be done.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
On a lighter note maclin had 7 146 1td at least the rookie tried
by bkeagle718 on Jan 9, 2010 11:54 PM EST via mobile reply actions
What....He didnt show his "Youth" today!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
No he didn't.
I’m guessing Reid pounded the video of him taking his eyes off the ball altogether last week into his head.
I need a aspirin my head is poundin
by bkeagle718 on Jan 9, 2010 11:55 PM EST via mobile reply actions
I think the outcome would have been different with JJ calling the defense.
As a Cowboy fan I’m glad he wasn’t, but as a human being I wish he was. I’m glad the Boys won, but as much as it means, it would have meant more against the best.
"Brett Favre is the best quarter back to play since Roger Goodell" my cube mate. UGHHH
Well, you’re wrong. It’s that simple.
Maybe it would have been a little closer… but the outcome wouldn’t have changed.
I may have be wrong, but I will give the devil his due.
JJ was a thorn in our side for a long time, I’m just glad he wasn’t the one trying to confuse Romo tonight.
"Brett Favre is the best quarter back to play since Roger Goodell" my cube mate. UGHHH
We appreciate the respect for JJ ...
… but to be fair, he never had a college CB 5th round pick as his FS. He had a Hall of Famer.
I don’t know how JJ would have done with this personnel, but I think the majority of us who watched the Eagles all season realized McDermott was playing 3-card molly or whatever you call it when a guy is using resources to cover for the lack of other resources. A Ponzi Scheme. Our defense was pretty much a Ponzi Scheme this year, and the Cowboys played the role of the SEC.
The D just wasn’t that good, it became pretty clear the second half of the season. Game-planning really wasn’t the issue, IMHO. Execution/talent level was.
Smoke and mirrors. That’s the term I was looking for. Ah well, Ponzi Scheme works. :)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
tough loss
but I think we are being too hard on the defense. They were on the field way too much the last 2 games.
We need some players but still have a good core.
I am not a McNabb hater contrary to what I was accused of last week. But I do not believe he played well tonight and he is the QB of this team.
McNabb played miserably
But that offensive line…words cannot describe how much Jamaal Jackson going down hurt this football team.
Yeah, that is another thing, we have to get someone else to play center since Jackson most likely won’t be ready for next season.
by phillyphan9208 on Jan 10, 2010 12:03 AM EST up reply actions
We should get a high 2nd and spend it on interior line
Or hell, even a first if they are good enough.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
The team didn't come to play, as a team, for two straight games
There’s no amount of playmaking one player can give that would change the outcome of either.
What an full-fledged, out and out embarrassment.
As a Cowboys fan
I just want to say that I was not comfortable until the clock said :00. Divisional games are always tough. See you next season.
Congratulations Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 10, 2010 12:01 AM EST via mobile reply actions
He is giving respect to your team
Raul is one of the best dudes and one smart cookie.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
No
Just trying to give reverence to the rivalry. If you don’t want to take it that way then I can’t do anything against that. Sorry to disappoint you.
Congratulations Bob Hayes
"I played for the world's greatest professional sports team in history. Once a Dallas Cowboy, always a Dallas Cowboy." - Bob Hayes
by Raul Villaronga on Jan 10, 2010 12:55 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
dude
do you need a hug? You got 2 guys over here trying to show some class, and you’re being a dick. wow.
58-14 Beats 44-6!!
Appreciate the class.
This was your year vs. us for sure.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Me too
I have intense hatred for the Eagles-but immense respect. Friends of mine were whooping it up and partying it up in the 4th, but I refused to acknowledge the score, personally. It wasn’t rational, but I’m not logical when it comes to 13-year droughts.
by Conjunction on Jan 10, 2010 12:41 AM EST up reply actions
Meh
Cowboys fans are no different than those of any other team. Obviously, we’re going to be more raucous after a win. Name a team whose fans are not? It’s human nature.
by Conjunction on Jan 10, 2010 12:46 AM EST up reply actions
I was surprised how well your middle 3 O lineman blocked Jay Ratliff
Eagles were the only team I felt like they could handle him regularly this year.
On the other hand, Peters after doing quite well against Ware didn’t look good at all.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
Ratliff has been a beast
2 years running. Well last year was when I first started noticing him.
And agree on Ware/Peters.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
as much crap as people have been giving your O line
I thought they handled the best DL in football.
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
I don't know what game you watched
I, however, saw a quarterback running for his life constantly. There was no ‘handling’ going on by the Eagles whatsoever.
Yep..running 4 his life all night
by jjrome on Jan 10, 2010 12:39 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
To me, the two turnovers on offense coupled with the overturned pick call were the ultimate killers in this game.
Momentum is totally a factor
But we did nothing outside of the Vick/Maclin play in the first half. I think even if we go up 14-7, Dallas outplays us over the course of the game.
I was totally in this boat last week that one play could’ve changed the game, but this was a complete and total domination.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Really?
You know the next time he comes on here it’s gonna be a McNabb/Kolb debate on every post.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
You know...
I’m not too upset about this loss. We were simply overmatched and got beat by the better team. It sucks but at least we didn’t suffer a heartbreaking loss like last year. This off-season is gonna suck…
Considering how Jackson grew up in one offseason
I cant wait to see how explosive this offense can be. The D needs work.
I have Pitt hoops...
we beat you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahahahahahaha. Na na na na boo boo.
jk. In all seriousness though, I’d be happy with a sweet 16 this year.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Jan 10, 2010 12:12 AM EST up reply actions
I'm expecting a final 4 appearence
Might be Naive but I think when we’re playing our best we’re top 4
I wouldn't be surprised...
Boeheim’s a great coach and anything’s possible in March. I hope you guys beat UConn again, but hopefully it won’t take 6OT’s haha.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Jan 10, 2010 12:21 AM EST up reply actions
Now he just needs to shut up and let his play do the talking
I love the kid, and I loved his quiet confidence all season. And then he started talking and not doing.
Such a disappointment.
and it is only the beginning of the decade too :(
by phillyphan9208 on Jan 10, 2010 12:11 AM EST up reply actions
Every playoff lose is the same to me.
by phillyphan9208 on Jan 10, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
Good point actually
I’m not really a Super Bowl-or-it-was-all-a-loss dude, but I can see how you say that.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Zona
the comeback made it feel a little better.
Tampa Bay was bad … closing the vet, nearing the SB …
No first-round loss compares to the NFCCGs … that’s 3 weeks of buildup. This was 6 days :)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I guess you're right, to lose the Tampa game the way it started was truly disgusting
I guess this is just especially bad because it’s going to sicken me to see all the Romo/Witten/Ware/Austin jerseys sported by frauds for the next month.
Dude
It’s been 13 years. All us 30-somethings that fell in love with football by watching the Cowboys in the 90’s are going to wear our stuff proud.
How does that make us frauds?
Ich bin ein Berliner--JFK
It won't be you guys that are the frauds.
But there will be plenty of fraudulent Cowboy fans the country over. Count on it. Especially if you beat Minnesota and the almighty Favre.
On a second thought, I take back my statement
I thought I was doing OK, but boy was I wrong. I was in a rather calm state of mind after the 3rd quarter but the loss is feeling worse and worse now.
I can’t wait to have one of our guys (Sheldon) absolutely jack up Miles Austin like this:
by chrisbeomsuh on Jan 10, 2010 12:59 AM EST up reply actions
Miles Austin
is my least favorite player in the NFL right now. When he makes a routine catch without celebrating it like a touchdown and stops looking like A-Rod, I’ll probably stop wanting to punch him in the face.
MIke Jenkins close second.
Tony Romo, Patrick Crayton, Jay Ratliff … There are some Cowboys I don’t hate.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Things I want to see next season
1. Sheldon or Stew laying out Miles Austin to wipe that grin off his face
2. Celek or Weaver with a nasty stiff arm to Mike Jenkins’ face
Other than the fact that he plays for Dallas, I never understood the hate for Romo. He just seems like a nice dude.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jan 10, 2010 1:08 AM EST up reply actions
lol chill.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Well, I guess I'll just go ahead and ask...
You guys see McNabb here next season?
by LegendKnight22 on Jan 10, 2010 12:10 AM EST reply actions
Before the 2 dallas games, Yes. Now, hell NO!!!!! Some team’s gonna be desperate enough to trade a 1, 3 and a 7 for him.
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Jan 10, 2010 12:13 AM EST up reply actions
I still see him as giving us the best chance at winning a championship.
Good point. (made below by phillyphan9208)
I think that’s how Eagles brass looks at it. Maybe if they’re overwhelmed by someone’s offer — they do like to shop guys while they have value, but they also pay for future performance, and McNabb has been as good as he’s ever been vs. everyone but Dallas.
My guess is he’s back and they look at it as a ‘we have to figure out how to beat Dallas’ issue rather than a “we’ll never win with McNabb” issue.
How are we even having this conversation? I thought the whole point of the new 2-year contract last offseason was to avoid this discussion.
Kolb’s contract status could be an issue, but Don looks like he can play 3 more years at this level. I wonder if they’d rather lose Kolb than take more shots with McNabb playing at a high level
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
My thoughts exactly
But here you have Kolb, literally, just sitting there. This may SOUND crazy, but what if Reid and Co. decide to make McNabb a backup to Kolb?
by LegendKnight22 on Jan 10, 2010 12:22 AM EST up reply actions
Never happen unless McNabb really, really shits the bed while Kolb plays lights out Drew Bress style ball.
If that is the plan, McNabb will get traded. Reid et al have too much respect for him to make him a full-time backup and some team will be willing to pay for him.
McNabb has been the most consistent player on offense
for Philly all year. As a Cowboy fan the sooner the Eagles get rid of him the sooner we can quietly take over the NFC East. Do that at your leisure.
"Brett Favre is the best quarter back to play since Roger Goodell" my cube mate. UGHHH
Don't worry
Reid/Lurie et. al. do not share the views of that portion of our fan base. They love the guy and will probably ride him til the wheels fall off.
I guess I could see them taking a great trade offer and turning things over to Kolb in order to get him re-signed, but I’d say 20% chance at best. I really don’t think educated football observers (or the Eagles’ coaching staff) will watch that game and come away saying ‘McNabb is the problem.’
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
we gave him a HUGE bonus
for these 2 years
this one ended in the best regular season record since 2004, with a loss in the wild card round
last year is his final year, honestly superbowl or bust. but he’s back next season
I have a man crush on DeSean Jackson
Wasn't the point of that bonus
to avoid this conversation?
It’s US that’s pushing it. And I guess only winning the Super Bowl will make people stop asking the question.
Looked like a pretty thorough TEAM domination twice in a row, not sure how this falls all on McNabb.
Even if you blame him for not getting anything going, there’s no reason why that meant we had to give up 300 yards in back to back first halves. … He’s not turning the ball over and putting our D in awful situations, our D’s inability to tackle or stop Dallas on 3rd down (where they were great against everyone else this year) has nothing to do with McNabb.
It would be the dumbest offseason move imaginable. This team is an above-average defense away from winning a Super Bowl.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
that was last year's team...
“This team is an above-average defense away from winning a Super Bowl.”
how we inexplicably let Fitz run all over us in the NFCCG last year preventing us from winning a SB. Eagles D matched up well with Pittsburgh, and we had a better offense. The fact that we weren’t playing for the SB last year was pretty f’ucking disappointing.
I’m willing to concede that the O-line deserves a lot of the blame in the 2 losses. And D couldn’t adjust. But McNabb’s stubborn refusal to do what is right means that he takes sacks or forces the ball into bad situations (incompletions/and a few picks). He tries to sit in the pocket and will something to happen downfield instead of picking up a few key yards with his legs, putting the offense in more manageable situations. And if Romo can get the ball out quickly, then so can McNabb. Part of that blame has to be the poor playcalling of Reid/Mornhinweg for not designing plays to get the ball out before the D line ran all over us.
Yes
I still see him as giving us the best chance at winning a championship.
by phillyphan9208 on Jan 10, 2010 12:13 AM EST reply actions
From a Cowboys fan
My appreciation for Jim Johnson and Dawkins grew throughout these last 2 games. Losing last year 44-6 at the end of the year hurt bad.
Philly should not feel bad about the future. Desean Jackson and McCoy will be forces fro years. Philly is the only worthy rivalry for Dallas.
I love your passion, Eagle fans.
"I just want to conquer people and their souls." -Tyson
"Football doesn't build character. It eliminates the weak ones." -- Darrell Royal
Appreciate the class
You guys are good this year. I want to wish you good luck from here on out, but I can’t bring myself to do it.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I wouldn't expect you to
and I wouldn’t either
"I just want to conquer people and their souls." -Tyson
"Football doesn't build character. It eliminates the weak ones." -- Darrell Royal
"Philly is the only worthy rivalry for Dallas"
It’s kind off odd you say that… It was a weird year in the NFC East. The Eagles owned the Giants. The Giants owned the Cowboys. The Cowboys owned the Eagles.
We all owned the Skins.
There really wasn’t any even play.
The division is like a roller coaster
Once apon a time, the Giants owned the division.
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
by Zachary Beard on Jan 10, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
You are so right
but there is just something about losing to dumbface Mannning that makes me feel like I donated to the Make a Wish Foundation
"I just want to conquer people and their souls." -Tyson
"Football doesn't build character. It eliminates the weak ones." -- Darrell Royal
Winning against against Peyton is 10 times that though
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
by Zachary Beard on Jan 10, 2010 12:26 AM EST up reply actions
There is not much a Cowboys and Eagles fan can agree on
but that is one
2009 BTB Fantasy Champ... Deal with it
Did you really just quote Chris Collinsworth?
I understand being upset with the loss but that’s just wrong!
The monster at the end of this blog.
I heard a Wade Phillips quote today that was brilliant
When told he can’t win the big games, he said “they only call ’em big games when you lose.”
As it applies to McNabb, makes total sense. Dude has road playoff wins, has playoff wins with Thrash/Pinkston as his main “weapons,” etc., and all that matter is that he hasn’t won a Super Bowl.
I almost want to win one for Reid & McNabb to get the monkey off their backs as much as the pure joy of the experience.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I still like McNabb
This was just a bad day. There’s always next season. Oh well….
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
Yes appreciate the nice words, though it still doesn’t make up for the hurt.
by phillyphan9208 on Jan 10, 2010 12:23 AM EST reply actions
Just think, This will light a fire under their @$$ for next year
SB contender next year, not a doubt in my mind.
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
by Zachary Beard on Jan 10, 2010 12:24 AM EST up reply actions
McNabb...
I’ll preface this by saying it’s a moot point because McNabb will be back next year, whether his supporters or critics like it or not…
And I’ll preface this even further by saying that I certainly don’t want to make any knee-jerk reactions in the wake of this horrid performance by the entire Eagles franchise…
But I think I’m at the point where I might have seen enough of the occasionally great #5.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 12:33 AM EST via mobile reply actions
JJ would roll over in his grave if he saw this performance.
I was sickened when I saw Dallas saw 5+ yards per rushing attempt. Draft focus #1, D-Line man. The Defense needs to tighten up.
The key to success in life is doing what people constantly say you cannot do.
After the first few games this season, I knew this wasn’t our year, but next year is a different story. This year was sort of a fluke, we become real contenders next year. This season had “I can’t wait until next season” all over it.
In short… the ride was fun, this was crushing, but not completely unexpected.
I totally agree with this
There have been years where I bought in wholesale, thinking the Eagles had “it” or came in on a roll (last year) or there were bigger than football reasons (closing of the vet) that we “deserved” to win.
This year I will say it took me until late in the season, but after seeing the defense fail to tackle against good offenses for several weeks straight, I came to grips with being satisfied with the steps forward we took this year. I did want to end Dallas’s season before we got eliminated, and I did want the bye and 2 seed too … but that was all gravy. We never had a Super Bowl D, it would have been very surprising to see this team win it all.
I’m excited for the future too.
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but the thing is...
When the offense is on, it is ON (Well against the slew of bad teams we faced this year). So it almost doesn’t matter what the D did or din’t do. The rematch against NYG proved that. They were a potential playoff team at that stage. If the offense scored any points in the last 2 weeks, I still would have thought we could make a run. And that’s why I think McNabb needs to take a lot of the blame for these losses. He clearly didn’t execute well when given the opportunity. Poor playcalling took it’s toll too. Thanks again, big red.
Yo yo
Dallas fan here, congrats on a good season fellas. It’s about time we finally got the best of you guys.
good luck next season.
58-14 Beats 44-6!!
Appreciate the class
I hate your sig line though :)
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San Jose Sharks Sacramento Kings Oakland Athletics Dallas Cowboys
One of these things is not like the other, one of these things just doesn’t belong
What can I say...
I’m a die hard Eagles fan for the last 20 years and I happen to be from Sacramento.
Am I a bandwagoner?
By the way…
I hate Cowboys fans and they are everywhere….
Like Yankees and Laker fans!
I’m sorry bud. I respect your opinions over at BTB, but with that said you’re clearly from the San Fran-Oakland bay area. Beautiful part of the country, by the way. But you’re bandwagon.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 1:00 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
McNabb
Every player, great or lousy, peaks at some point. It is possible McNabb already hit his peak and he’s not going to take it to another level. Eagles should be better next year, need to fill in some holes.
Im greatful to have had Dmac on the Birds! He's been a good sport!
But i agree…I believe he has hit a point where he can really get any greater. What else can he do. If he has improved on his reads nor on his accuracy by now…what’s he gonna get better at! I think he’s hit his max level! We’ve seen it all from him. And im glad. Sure I wish we had a SB but Dmac has helped us win games. He’s at his peak.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
He is what he is ...
… and now that he has offensive weapons, it takes an elite defense and a team that’s peaking at the right time and plays 3-4 good games in a row to win the Super Bowl.
It’s possible it might never happen for McNabb in Philly, but that doesn’t mean we’re better off without him, and it doesn’t mean it’s necessarily his fault.
Everyone said Peyton Manning couldn’t win the Big One (going back to college) til he did. And that’s McNabb’s fate too, it appears.
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Ur right..doesnt mean we are better without him
And it doesnt mean the we will stink without him! And if u compare NFL Peyton Manning to NFL Dmac then……well..it’s not a good comparison man. One QB slices up defenses and the other loves and lives by the deep ball and big play. Even when we had an Elite Defense we didnt win a SB! So in reality..maybe if Reid would’ve manned up and listened in the first place about bringing in more offensive talent way back when, along with our Elite Defense at those times couple years ago then how knows! We dont have weapons but we DO have an elite defense. Now we DO have weapons but Dmac has a couple of games and our Defense is nowhere close to Elite! U gotta win one way or another. Nothings gonna be perfect! No excuses. U have to find a way to win. The Colts defense was NOT elite when they won their SB. But they just got hot at the right time and Rex Grossman was horrific! Rex helped the Colts defense. U have to man up and find a way to win. Take advantage of certain opportunities
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
If you think I compared Peyton to McNabb ...
… then well, it’s not good comprehension man.
They always say Quarterback X can’t win the big one til they do. Would you prefer I substitute Elway in there? Do you … do you … know who that is?
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I will agree that we’ve had elite defenses without elite offenses, and now we’ve surrounded McNabb with weapons and our defense is not up to par. Whaddya gonna do? … Our defense was not even decent this year, I been knew this team wasn’t going to win the Super Bowl without a lot of luck or an exceptional offensive performance x 3-4.
“find a way to win” … meh, that’s hollow. Every winning team “finds a way to win” and every team that lost didn’t. Every playoffs, 1 team “finds a way to win” three or four times and 11 don’t.
Maybe it never quite comes together for these Eagles, but that doesn’t necessarily mean their method is flawed. (it might be, but if they win a SB before it’s all over, then they can argue that their method was good and they just never “got hot at the right time.” And other people will always wonder ‘what if’ … that’s the nature of the game, dude).
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So what does everyone honestly thinks gonna happen with the andrews brothers?? And early 2010 o-line predictions??
by jjrome on Jan 10, 2010 12:52 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I can’t believe I have to root for Brett freaking Favre next week. Disgusting.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 12:54 AM EST via mobile reply actions
So the saying goes...."You are what your is!"
Talkn about the regular season…..Were we really an 11-5 team. Our an 11-5 team in a 9-7 team in an 11-5 teams body???! Im asking for thoughts here
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
"You are what Your Record is!"
typo again geez
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Lets try this again hahha So the saying goes.."You are what your record is!"
Talkn about the regular season…..Were we really an 11-5 team. Or a 9-7 team in an 11-5 teams body???! Im asking for thoughts here
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
ahh
11-5 team in an 9-7 teams body…Cobb’d twice horrible. That type of night to night i quess
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Likewise, we were one play from being 12-4
with a first-round bye.
I blame this all on the Oakland loss. Beat them, and the Dallas loss in Week 17 is probably a tank job. And then we probably lose to Dallas in the NFCCG.
We did win some games in the 4th we easily could have lost. Redskins, Giants, Broncos, Bears… It’s a 4th quarter league
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True
I counted those as legitimate. The first Dallas game was either-or, but SD went up and down the field against us.
Basically I think McDermott was good enough to compensate for a lack of talent against bad, average and good teams, but in five losses to three great teams, we got drubbed.
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I guess..I wil say say they were def. Overrated but we still had good team
by jjrome on Jan 10, 2010 1:03 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
Playing from behind
We never seem to be able to play well from behind. What exactly is the source of this? Our offense sometimes relies too much on feeding off big plays or having a lead in the game. I thought this problem was solved when we had those strings of 4th quarter comebacks but I guess I was wrong. Of course, it doesn’t really help that Andy likes to abandon the run when we’re down.
I think this is a different game if we got that INT and go up 14-7. It wouldn’t have changed the fact that we were a bit outmatched but momentum can do some strange things.
I don’t know… I don’t think the problem was the playing from behind so much as the just getting beat by a better team.
I agree with both of you ...
… We’re terrible playing from behind, although i thought I saw some effort on the first drive of the second half to mix in the run.
But basically we weren’t that good on defense this year, Dallas exploited it perfectly and if they played like they played today, we weren’t beating them.
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what does playing from behind really mean anyway? i mean when it’s a tight game, it’s a little different story. driving your team for the win or making a big stop when the game is on the line is a skill some possess more than others. when you are down 3 scores at the half, you done got your ass whooped. what are the chances the second half will be any different? teams do come back from these situations, but the other 95% of the time, the first half winner generally keeps whoopin ass.
I agree that we got beat by a better team
But I still think that INT challenge was a back-breaker. We had just scored off the Vick gimmick play and somewhat had the momentum. An INT and a TD right after would have shifted the momentum completely to our side. In turn, our offense and defense would’ve fed off the lead and play better. Of course, this wouldn’t magically fix McNabb’s accuracy problems but who knows?
As a team that relies so much on energy, we really needed that.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jan 10, 2010 1:25 AM EST up reply actions
Lack of Leadership
Is it just me, or did it look like the whole team had quit before the start of the 3rd quarter? The team went into the locker room with their heads down, and that’s never a good sign. The body language the veterans showed trickled down to the young players, and things just went downhill from there.
McNabb looked as though he had quit. His body language showed it, and it directly correlated with the performance of the offence. Just to be clear, I am a McNabb supporter but being the quarterback, you have a responsibility to lead your team…
I just didn’t see that quality in him tonight… Am I alone on this or have people been thinking the same thing?
Representing CANADA eh?
They were beaten into submission
They didn’t quit. There’s a difference.
I don’t buy that a lot of yelling and screaming would make Macho Harris and Quentin Mikell tackle or Joselio Hanson play the slot WR tight on 3rd down or make Jason Garrett call an imperfect game. Dallas called a good game, they exectuted and I think we’re reaching for explanations here.
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Yup, saw some quitting out there. A few who didn't...
Jackson, Maclin, Celek, Sheldon, and a bit of a surprise… Juqua Parker played his ass off tonight.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 1:22 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
This is where Dawk was sorely missed.
The body language was just awful. Dawk would’ve never allow such thing to happen.
by chrisbeomsuh on Jan 10, 2010 1:26 AM EST up reply actions
+1
Not saying he would’ve played better in coverage but as a Leader…Unmatch! And Reid nor Mr. Joe “Best Roster in the League” Banner can NOT say other wise
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
In fairness to Banner ...
… his “best roster” had Stewart Bradley, Shawn Andrews, Stacy Andrews, Ellis Hobbs and Jamaal Jackson and Cornelius Ingram on it. (though not Will Witherspoon or Alex Smith, so hah!)
He pretty explictly said it was a top-notch roster on paper and that doesn’t guarantee anything. I think Banner did his job this year.
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The thing about 'best roster' is
He wouldve been killed if he honestly said he thought there were some holes he could fill. Who cares about that shit?
Sorry man. I cant buy that! U just dont say anything that early in the season
Period! Hey its only ur opinion though! On paper mean nuttn. It’s where u end up after the reg season. And how far u go in the playoffs and reach that ultimate Prize! We almost every team at the beginning of season can Look good on Paper. But if u go by that, then u dont know sports! Im not saying u dont know sports but “Top-notch roster on paper” means nuttin’! Its like a draft pick. On paper he looks like a real player, but in the end, not so much! Yes some draft picks take time to pan out…but u understand what im tryna say!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Me, you and Banner ...
… all agree that “on paper” means nothing.
I’m not sure I do understand what you’re trying to say.
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Good becuz I dont understand u or Banner either! I was tryin to make
sense of what u were saying! But I cant! As I can not find the quote that Banner said that..
and that doesn’t guarantee anything.. Im talking bout the first time he talked bout our roster before the preseason even started! He did NOT mention that…“that doesn’t guarantee anything!” If he had said that, then most people would not be talkn bout what he said! Now after the preseason, and into the reg season he might have switched it up becuz he knew he was wrong! Point is…he shouldnt have even went there! He should’ve just said The NFL is a long season and we’ll see how this season goes! Claiming that our roster was the best when he did was ridiculous!! If u cant understand that then o well
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I'm just really confused.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I honestly think his tackling
was missed more than his yelling and screaming. I thought we’d be able to compensate for his loss at safety with Demps and Jones, but I was dead wrong. We looked awful back there for the past 6-8 weeks.
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I defended macho for the longest time this season but these past two games showed me has no business being out there
Yeah, with all due respect ...
… to the deceased, the Jim Johnson/McDermott comparisions are not fair in the slightest.
Johnson had Dawk at FS the entire time.
McDermott had a college cornerback 5th round pick at FS.
There’s clearly a difference.
How bad must Demps be, BTW? In 17 games, he couldn’t even break into the rotation, and we were awful back there.
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Yep
But really, who would’ve thought that our tackling would be so horrendous this year? And who the hell would’ve thought that we’d be getting beat by the Cowboys at the beginning of the season?
Eric Berry, please?
Hey, we can all dream right…?
by chrisbeomsuh on Jan 10, 2010 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
It's not like Dawk hasn't been around for lots of bad postseason losses.
Yes he could have helped… but I don’t buy that he really changes the outcome. It’s not like Dawk hasn’t been around for lots of bad postseason losses.
He’s been around for all of them but this one in fact.
He's definitely had his shots ...
… but what converted me to the ‘wow, we really did miss him’ side is that we were so awful at free safety in the second half of the season. And it wasn’t deep coverage where we were bad, just tackling and middle-of-the-field coverage, two things Dawk was fine at.
Also, Mikell played way better alongside Dawk, for whatever that’s worth
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Well
When everybody around him plays horrible, how would you feel?
I honestly feel bad for him. He plays hard, makes mistakes, but does enough to win (NFCCG 08?) and yet still loses.
Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
This has always been an issue.
Once you see that change in Donovan’s demeanor, you know it’s over. When Donovan starts taking and extra second or two to get up, walking on and off the field and just moping around in general it’s clear what affect it has on everyone else. No one wants to play for a QB who’s not giving his best effort. (Credit to the guys who DID show up and give their all last night)
None of us can say for sure considering we don’t know what goes on in the locker room, or what’s being said in the huddle, but from the outside looking in, it sure looks like this offense could have used some better leadership. Let’s just hope Kolb isn’t learning these bad habits.
Leadership
wouldn’t teach our defense to tackle, cover on 3rd down or force FG attempts instead of give up TDs. It wouldn’t help the offense establish the run, get the ball in the hands of our playmakers, etc.
You guys are grasping at straws here. Leadership can give you a little boost, but it doesn’t turn 34-14 into 24-21.
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Ur right! Defense stunk. But at least they made them PUNT a few times this time
What…last game the Cowboys hardly punted. Yep..the score was worse this time but the defense actually show some sort of life this game. They got to Romo acouple of times, and also almost forced two INTs! They didnt even get to Romo until 4 mins left in the game last meeting. Still the defense stunk. They didnt do there job. Ur opinion on Leadership is only ur opinion. Its not right, nor is it wrong. It is only what YOU think Leadership can give u. I think its way more important than u give it credit for. And we will never know how it would’ve panned out if we had more Leadership or someone stepped up to be one on the team becuz the game is done. Leadership can help teach u to tackle. Is Sheldon brown not a solid tackler.! The Coaches are considered leaders too…But obviously they didn’t go their job either.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Newest Cowboy I'll despise forever...
Ken Hamlin. What a gutless punk throwing his shoulder into Celes head in the first quarter, and then the late hit in garbage time on Maclin.
Here’s to hoping Adrian Peterson makes him look as foolish as Leron McClain did last year.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 1:19 AM EST via mobile reply actions
TO ALL McDumbass Lovers a.k.a McNabb
I was Dons number one Fan before tonight!!!
go ahead and tell me his stats and how he almost ALWAYS brought us back!!! LOL
SORRY GUYS!!! This guy McDumbass just doesn’t have what it takes to be a CHAMPION!! IM READY TO TURN THE PAGE!!! GO AHEAD AND POST YOUR REACTIONS and stats or debates all u want!!
IM READY!!! I have watched nothing but EAGLES FOOTBALL since I was born 1979,
I have watched every game Don has worn a Eagles Jersey (and the orange @ syracuse!),
He always CHOKES!!! TODAY was no different!!! Guys were open down the field, he just didnt pull the triger!! You guys talk about the O-Line!? He had more than 6 seconds to make his reads!!! If any of u guys played FOOTBALL ever (little leagues, Jr. high, High School, College, or Pro’s!), you guys would know that’s a life time!!!! Don’t blame OUR TEAM!!! McNabb Really gotta look in the MIRROR!!! We got a bright FUTURE!!!!!!! :)
We let (my FAVORITE & every EAGLED FAN OUT THERE!) DAWKINS GO!! :|
good BYE DMAC!!! (thanks Don, but we gotta go get this RING!)
Dawk got old, so did DON!!!
I don’t see why it wouldn’t be OPEN camp this offseason for the QB SPOT!!!!?
GO EAGLES!!!!!!
(OUR D-Played iron man D for being banged up, Jimmy would be Proud!!!! Cowboys D looked fresh cause their O (Romo included) sustained DRIVES!!!!)
I think Vick had more YARDS then Dmac in 1 play!!?? LOL
(joke!)
We’ll be fine!!!
QB change and we’re GOLDEN!!! :)
by Eaglesrthebest on Jan 10, 2010 1:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
You lost me at
I was Dons number one Fan before tonight!!!
I guess Don gave up 27 points in the first half? I guess Don fumbled the read option to Weaver that led to 7?
Even if we the lack of offense entirely on him, why couldn’t it be 7-7 at the half? 10-7? A Super Bowl defense doesn’t give up 27 in the first half.
I don’t even know why I’m trying to reason with you.
You realize he could’ve passed for 350 yards today and accounted for 31 points and we still would have lost, right? Cowboys did whatever they wanted against our D.
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Over/under on McNabb/Kolb fan posts this week...
14.5
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 1:45 AM EST via mobile reply actions
The first spreads I'm seeing are Vikings -2.5
That’s a bit of a surprise.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 1:53 AM EST via mobile reply actions
I think I want a Saints-Chargers Super Bowl
No Favre/Peyton overload, no deep-seeded hate … just a couple exciting teams to watch.
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At this point we might as well just have a Favre v Peyton superbowl and let every member of the natl media just pass out with excitement.
From my vantage point ...
… Media have even grown tired of Favre. Not so much Peyton. Those guys make writers’ jobs easy, the stories write themselves.
I prefer substance myself, and if the Chargers and Saints make it, you can only do the Katrina/Rivers-for-Eli/Norv finally arrives stories so long before we have to actually talk football.
LOL though @ “pass out”
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Are there any ABC games left?
What I would give to hear Gruden orgasm over a routine checkdown one more time…
Brees vs Rivers?
Former Chargers QB vs Current.
Brees was playing great football with the Chargers until that loss in the end where he hurt his shoulder. If he hadn’t hurt it, I can’t say 100% that they don’t Franchise tag him.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Jets are playing well but I think that Sanchez’s rookie tendencies will catch up to him much like it has with Flacco etc.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Agree
I really like Rivers. And honestly, the Saints have never been there. They deserve it.
Reid- Best Coach in Eagles History
McNabb- Best QB in Eagles History
This is the year
lol to paraphrase an addage.
Nothing is deserved, it’s earned.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I don't want the number of teams that haven't won a superbowl wittled down...
to just us and detroit so I’ll be rooting for indy or NE.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 10, 2010 3:47 AM EST up reply actions
Side Note
Did anyone see the Eagles Post Game interview with McDermott? When Derrick Gunn asked him if he is interested in the head coaching position in Buffalo, he said something along the lines of, “It’s an honor to be mentioned as a candidate for any head coaching position. I’ve only been focused on preparing for the Cowboys these last few weeks, but we’ll just have to see what happens from here.”
Let’s hope he’s just keeping his options open and not seriously considering this job.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
That’s just the general paraphrase of what he said, don’t hold me to the actual quote. Basically, he said nothing to cement himself as the Eagles DC next season.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Jan 10, 2010 2:20 AM EST up reply actions
How solid is his candidacy for that job?
He hasn’t been offered, I’d imagine, since he hasn’t had time to interview.
My guess is he’d follow the Spags path of coordinating for a couple years before he feels he’s ready, but plenty of guys take jobs before they’ve coordinated at all, and it’s always good to strike while the iron is hot.
Honestly, Buffalo doesn’t seem like a great opportunity to me. Looks like a place you go for 3 years, don’t win, and never become a head coach again. (Hi Gregg Williams, Mike Mularkey, etc.) …
McDermott would seem to me to be an even better HC candidate after they give him a DE and a FS and he gets Stewart Bradley back and the Eagles win 12 games and perhaps the Super Bowl next year.
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I love NFL Network's GameDay Final ...
… but not sure I can watch the panel with Deion and Irvin not even pretend to be impartial as well as being grossly irresponsible trying to stir up the McNabb shit. Ugh.
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McNabb Controversy... Spittin up a Maelstrom since '06.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Took my medicine
watched the segment. So they all go through how great McNabb is, defend him, and then Deion asks “so why are we even having this conversation?”
Um, because y’all keep bringing it up to stir things up?
It’s not like Reid said “This is probably the end of the line for Don. We have to do a better job there.”
I wonder if there’s anything they could possibly say to make it more clear that he’s the quarterback here.
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McNabb Kool Aid drinkers... SHUT THE F UP!
HOW MANY TIMES DO YOU HAVE TO SEE THIS GUY HAVE A CRAPPY PERFORMANCE WHEN IT MATTERS BEFORE YOU REALIZE WE NEED NEW BLOOD!!! True, Kolb may not be the answer, but Donovan sure as hell isn’t. For those who ask if he is our best chance at a championship, let me give an emphatic NO!!! ONE COMPLETION UNITL THE FIVE MINUTE mark of the 2nd quarter? ARE YOU F’NG KIDDING ME??? Look, he a good season statistaclly this year, but against a ton of weak opponents, and I don’t know what games you all were watching, but he struggled A LOT even during the six game win-streak. The man goes 3-out more than any QB in the league. Yeah, the D wasn’t good, but if you had to keep goin out on to the field to face the Dallas O ever thirty seconds, you’re gonna wear down too.
Bottom line is, Donovan has ALWAYS been this way, he can post big numbers in the regular season, scrape by with wins early in the playoffs but in most of those he was carried A LOT of by the Defense (which rarely got the credit for the Eagles success) and Westbrook screen passes. I think Andy/Marty’s play calling is crap too (can you run ANYWHERE but the middle?) and very predictable, but McNabb has always been why this team never meets its true potential. All the great talent they have ever had has been used up and wasted by #5, and I can’t wait for him to leave. Will it be rough to have an untested guy come in and start running things? At first yes, but with the young talent they are building on the time is now to bring in a QB to grow with it. McNabb is only ever been average, and we need to start fresh. I for one and willing to wait for this team to mature under a new, better, more confident, quick thinking, less egomaniacal, QB.
Good thing you told us to SHUT THE F UP
Or I might have actually polluted this board with well-thought-out, reasoned analysis.
Defense can’t get off the field on 3rd down? Blame McNabb!
Opponent scoring TDs and not FGs? Blame McNabb!
Backup QB fumbling the read option? Blame McNabb!
You must seriously be kidding saying this is McNabb’s fault. He’s like 12th on the list of reasons this season came to an abrupt halt. And unless you can get the Colts to give us Manning, there isn’t a QB out there we’re gonna do better with. He is who he is, and our scheme is what it is. It’s not like this is a situation where if we just had better QB play, we would have won the Super Bowl. We just gave up 426 yards and 34 points … I know you’re disappointed with losing, but changing QBs is not gonna fix that.
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U might want to give some negatives too. ....
U selected all things that he had no control over! So of course these things were not his fault haha!
Defense can’t get off the field on 3rd down? Blame McNabb!
Opponent scoring TDs and not FGs? Blame McNabb!
Backup QB fumbling the read option? Blame McNabb!
I support Dmac. He’s be solid for us over the years. He gave us the best chance to win this year period. But u gotta stop and be real! The past four games were NOT good games for him. He has had clear pockets yet still forces throws and threw a pick each in the Niners and Broncos game! No reason to throw those picks and force those throws becuz he had clean pockets! He also held on to the ball many times rather than just throw it away and not take the sack! Yes the Oline has not been the greatest this year, but six weeks ago, when we were winning..the “McNabb was on fire” and “the Oline was starting to gel”! But these last four games, McNabb had the same exact outing in that he held on to the ball with a clean pocket and forced throws or took a sack.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
U watched the playoff game obviously
When he started off the first drive with a skipped dirtball to Maclin who beat Jenkins on the out route! U cant start off with what u are notorious for. What about the three times where the Oline gave Dmac approx 5 secs to do something with the ball, yet he chose to hold on to it and do nothing with it. Why not either RUN or Throw it away. What about when he took that one sack and Collinsworth called it a coverage sack. Which was false as even my girlfriend asked me “who is #81 and #29?” I stated, “Avant and McCoy why?” She says,“well #81 was open towards the sideline past that orange pole marker at the top of the screen and #29 was open towards bottom. Did he not see them!?” Sure enough on the replay u clearly see Avant beat his man heading past the sticks and Shady was indeed open in the flat! So Dmac had two choices to throw to. Nope he takes a “coverage sack” so they said! But im not only Blaming Dmac becuz the defense did stink. And Reid and MM didnt do much better as they got outcoached again. Dmac is streaky positively and negatively. But im tired of his inconsistency even though I like the guy. He will always be #5 for philly in my book, but i think its time to move forward!!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
yeah he only attempted 5 passes at that point too. you act like he was 1 for 12. that includes a reggie brown drop and an intentional grounding call as well, not that intentional grounding is any better
Who's this dfan guy? Skip Bayless?
Seriously dfan, you won, we get it. None of our moping and crying is going to change that fact.
Yes, there’s classless Philly fans out there, yes we rehired Vick. You know what? No amount of bitching and whining on your part is going to change that. Every team has a bunch of jerks for fans.
So you know what? Stop condescending us, go back to Blogging the Boys and get the chip off your shoulder.
Wow - thats one disgusting fan right there.
He was going on forever – if the man wants to make a case against his rival, he starts by savoring the win and keeping it to said self. He then does not dilute and show himself as a representative fan of that organization, or he just reinforces the Cowboy fan stereotype of arrogant, mouth-the-size-of-Texas, all around hated fanbase. Not to mention his Bay Area treason (for my part), but he’s gone now apparently.
Better luck next year guys – I’ll regrettably pull for Favre in this case next week, but ONLY next week.
One other thing – anybody have some love for Cris Collinsworth after last night?……….
Personally, I’m a big Collinsworth fan. He calls it like he sees it, doesn’t pull any punches, and is genuinely funny – It’s refreshing.
On the McCoy 15 yard run, I thought he had the line of the year – “For you Philly fans, in case you weren’t aware, that’s what you call a running play.” Outstanding.
by JimmyK on Jan 10, 2010 10:53 AM EST via mobile up reply actions
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The cowboys were the beter team last night. They had a running game that could not be slowed down. THEIR QUARTERBACK was getting rid of the ball quickly to open recievers and their defense was also better. The eagles were not the team that everyone said they were going to be at the beging of the season. Anyone can tell you that if a team cannot run the ball they are going to be in for a long season and that is what happened last night. The defense can do so much, but when your offense goes 3 and out your defense is going to get tired and for the most part that is what happened. Yes you can blame the line for not holding their blocks on pass plays, but also blame the qb because if had got rid of the ball quicker we would have been able to complete more balls because the recievers were open. Mcnabb thinks he an stay in the pocket all day long. Eagles have alot of thinking to do during the off season and I hope they make good ones and two that need to be corrected involves the QB and offensive coordinator to start off/
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yes its true mcnabb was not playing defense and he did not fumble the ball before the half, but if mcnabb would have not choked up when the team needed a leaderwhich he is not then we might have had a chance, Lets face it he is a 2nd rated quarterback at least. He wanted weapons, so we got him weapons what is the excuse now. Yes the defense let them score, but you are going to get tired if all your offense can do is go 3 and out all game because your qb can ot throw a good pass to open recievers. I feel that most of the blame falls on mcnabb. Vick came in and hit an open reciever on his first pass open recievers mcnabb could not find. solution is trade mcnabb for a second pick keep vick and kolb and let them compete for the position . New offensive coordinator who believes in establishing the run first and pass later.
Vick had open receivers
Because defenses always play the run when Vick is in the game. He faced a good defense that made Drew Brees look bad. He barely had room to breathe and the secondary did a good job. Tom Brady or Peyton Manning would not have looked much better in the same position.
uh oh!!!!
the eagles are in deep doodoo… redskins (with shanahan)… giants goming back and cowboys on top will mean last place in the nfc east for years to come… unless the team gets a total overhaul… unload mcdopey… vick… reid… morningwheig…. sell the team to someone with a real desire and comittment to excellence (since that’s not happening) at least get rid of mcdooofffiss.. and vick!!!!get some draft choices and start over… unload the clods like demps… harris… abiamiri… laws… gocong… jean gilles… the andrews sisters… reggie brown….the has beens like curtis… focus on building a powerhouse defense (not a smoke a mirrors blitz reliant joke)… develop an real running game… (mccoy is a nice player but not the answer)… draft a high end running back… see what kolb can do… even if he dosen’t have a rocket arm, if he can think quickly and hit receivers accurately in stride he’ll be a thousand percent improvement over mcmoron… address the special teams… watching harris on kickoff returns was brutal… here’s a wild suggestion… why not try letting westbtook finish his carreer running back kickoffs and punts (and sometimes come in as a wide receiver)… he could be another brian mitchell… doing that he could play a few more years… as it is he’s toast…well here’s hoping for a spring hoouse cleaning!!!!
by Elmo the faithful fan on Jan 10, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions
we were 11-5. not 5-11.
despite what you think, we are NOT that bad.
shut up and get over it.
since you’re so willing to use dumb nicknames as “mcdooofffiss” and “mcdopey” to belittle mcnabb, I’d like to hear your grand solution to our problems. What players are we gonna get? Huh?
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 10, 2010 3:26 PM EST up reply actions
I actually did throw up
But that could have been because of the fifth of Southern Comfort i downed as the second quarter demonstrated to me that the Eagles had no intention of looking like an NFL team
Let’s face some facts though. The Cowboys’ defense is good. McNabb didn’t choke because it was a big game. He didn’t have open receivers, he faced constant pressure and the running game was nonexistent. Brian Westbrook is a mere shadow of what he used to be. And the defense was solid in the first quarter but had too many deficiencies.
And you know what? As tough as it is to admit it, it’s what we should have expected. How could we expect a makeshift offensive line, a defense with a huge hole at free safety, a carousel linebacking corps, and an ailing cornerback to compete with a Dallas Cowboys team at full strength?
You can blame McNabb and Reid all you want but if they played this game ten times with the same players the outcome would not have changed. The Eagles played hard. Asante made a great tackle early in the game.
As far as the offseason, we have some problems that will be alleviated by players coming back from injury, and some that won’t. A healthy Jamaal Jackson will allow Cole to move back to right guard, solidifying our line. Cornelius Ingram will be back next year (though in what capacity it is hard to tell). Lesean McCoy and Jeremy Maclin are set to break out and become superstars. Desean Jackson, ’nuff said. On defense, the return of Stewart Bradley will help, but our number one priority this offseason should be getting Julius Peppers or Aaron Kampman. I like a trio of Bradley, Spoon, and Jordan, and I think they should go safety in the first round.
That brings me to McNabb. Could he have played better? Yes. You know what? A certain quarterback had a similar performance a few weeks ago against this same defense. Are Saints fans calling for Drew Brees to be traded? Give the Cowboys’ D some credit they shut down some legit offenses this year. Jenkins and Newman are for real and Sensabaugh may have been the best offseason acquisition in the NFC East. Our offensive line should not be starting Max Jean-Gilles.
McNabb has had better games and he will have better games. Give him a healthy line, and imagine how good our receivers will be next year. I am thoroughly in the keep McNabb, trade Vick, and make Kolb understand that his day is a year away. McNabb deserves one more shot without so many injuries.
Until then, fuck Dallas
by tanman5 on Jan 10, 2010 3:13 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
tanman5, rec'd
amazingly well-reasoned and well said.
McNabb is not above criticism, but there are so many other factors in play here — our defense/injuries, Dallas being good, etc.
I said the same thing about the Sean Jones not-interception. Would’ve changed the game, but not the outcome. That team was better than we were.
Look who we lost to this year … Dallas x 3, San Diego & New Orleans. Probably three of the five best teams in football right now. The Oakland loss was unforgiveable, because we had no business losing to them and because it cost us a shot at being 12-4 and having that bye and potentially avoiding Dallas.
I just don’t see this as a “let’s blow the Eagles up” situation. Let’s fix the defense, spend the offseason figuring out how to run the ball/counteract Dallas, and give our O another year to grow. This is the final run.
Kolb takes the reigns in 2011 no matter how it ends.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Tardy to the party
While the defense stunk, McNabb was absolutely terrible. His time is up. What makes anyone at all think he’s going to ever win the big one? I was keeping a log of his ineptitude from the first grounder on. Open receivers, bad reads, panicking in the pocket….and yeah, missing open receivers leads to three and outs which leads to a tired defense which leads to sustained opponent’s drives which leads to points. If he completes half of the completable passes, it would have been closer.
So stop defending the guy when he comes up small in big games. Aaron Rodgers has a legit complaint about his defense. Mcnabb does not.
What game did you watch?
They gave up 291 yards the first week, and 27 points the second week.
Look, we all know what McNabb is … accurate sometimes at best, reluctant to run even though that’s one of his best attributes, etc.
But, he doesn’t get you beat with interceptions, he can keep a broken down play alive & make something happen, he can work with bad receivers or good ones, and he knows the offense inside out.
Changing the QB when we’re this close is fool’s gold. 1) We need to be able to run the ball and be more physical against teams that have our number like Dallas did, 2) we need to be able to see that this is happening mid-game and adjust, and 3) we need to solidify the back end of our defense so that we’re not digging these huge holes that we can’t expect our offense to get us out of every time.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
