"No Safety First" is My Motto
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 2:23 AM EST
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PrintI'm not what you would call a draftnik and I've never put together a mock draft. I do however follow the draft and I also kind of keep an eye on the players that I wished the Eagles could have gotten their hands on in past drafts. For the last few years I've been a little fixated on the Safety position. Ever since Michael Lewis started showing the flaws in his game I've been captivated by the higher ranked safeties that were entering the draft. In 2006 I loved Michael Huff. In 2007 I was hoping that Brandon Meriweather would fall to us and I was trying to rationalize ways that the Eagles could move up in the draft and snag LaRon Landry. In 2008 I was upset that the Eagles didn't sit tight and draft Kenny Phillips.
After doing a little bit of research and looking back at the draft over the last twenty years I was surprised to find that I could only find two Safetys who were drafted in the first round that I felt were truly good values where they were picked. Ed Reed and Troy Polamalu Are both great players and real difference makers on the field. A difference maker is what you hope to get in the first round of the draft. You would be hard pressed to name anyone besides the two named above that would fit that description. Roy Williiams, 11th overall,I know he's been to some Probowls but come on. Donte Whitner is a solid, good player but is he 8th overall good? Huff at 7th overall is a bust and Landry at 6th overall is closing in on him. Even Sean Taylor RIP, I Believe, has been mythologized since his untimely death. I always saw him as a spotty cover guy who often missed tackles in pursuit of the big hit. Meriweather and Phillips are both showing some signs of life and were picked later in the draft so it may be a little to early to pass judgement.
In the 2010 draft there are three safeties projected to go in the first round by most prognosticators: Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, and Taylor Mays. Not that the Eagles have much of a shot at Berry or Thomas where they sit, but it is my conclusion that the Eagles should stay away from drafting a safety in the first round. It's just too hard to get good value when drafting a safety in the first round. I'm sure that there are some people out there who know the draft much better than I do who would argue that this year is different but I just have to stick with what history is telling me.
The Eagles seem to have good luck drafting safeties in the second round. The two best safeties to play for the Eagles in my lifetime were both drafted in the second round: Dawkins and Hopkins. I say stick with what works and hope that Morgan Burnett, Nate Allen, or Chad Jones(my choice) fall to us in the second.
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Morgan Burnett
Will very likely fall to the second round because he isn’t a big name like Mays, Berry, or Thomas. In my opinion he is the best safety that fits our system (other than Berry). But Kiper and McShay aren’t big fans of him and rate him low (even though the GA Tech DC go fired after the season…..coincidence?)
I’m not a big fan of Nate Allen. Not that he is bad, just he isn’t physical enough to me. THE FS spot is a very key position in our D and they are required to do alot. And I don’t believe Allen is physical enough to do it all. That is kind of my problem with Thomas as well. Ball-Hawk, but not physical enough. Might be better suited going the way of Nnamdi and turning into a corner in the league. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD….Avoid Mays like the drunk girl at a party. All because he got a INT in the Senior Bowl, doesn’t get rid of the fact he was cooked 3 other times. As for Rolle, I don’t hate him. Quite frankly I’m a big fan of him. He’s just unspectacular though. He has great instincts and great smarts, though so he would be my 2nd choice after Burnett.
I hope we draft Burnett
Just for your sake buddy :)
by chrisbeomsuh on Jan 31, 2010 6:00 AM EST up reply actions
avoid the drunk girl at the party?
I never understood that term. Drunk Girls make parties more exciting. Yay Girl girl makeout sessions
Oh
And as for Chad Jones. I like him, but he has the same problem Reshad Jones from Georgia has…he is a little too inconsistent. I do like him though. Reminds me of Bernard Pollard.
He injures key Patriots on an annual basis? Crazy…
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 1, 2010 10:52 AM EST up reply actions
I Like Rolle
It’s hard to beat physically gifted and smart.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 10:17 PM EST up reply actions
i think rolle will definitly be a sleeper
b/c of his year off for ivy league. id love to see him in midnight green
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Feb 1, 2010 5:38 PM EST up reply actions
i think the line needs to be our 1st round focus...
either the defensive or offensive. we could use a quality starter opposite cole. not to mention, i don’t trust our current o-line. safety can wait.
The O-Line is one GIANT Andrews question mark
if those guys (hell, even just one of them, and I lean toward Stacy being more probable) come back to play, then our line is fine! Obviously Peters and Herremans have the left side locked up. I’m one who actually does trust Nick Cole at Center, especially with an offseason to work on it (they were thinking of having him challenge Jackson last off season anyway), if we can plug just one Andrews in at RG, with Justice outside, we’re fine.
We’ll need some depth still, more at Guard b/c between an Andrews, Peters, and Justice (even Herremans) we can cover an injured Tackle with a guard, but that leaves an empty guard spot, and I’m not so high on MJG, and definitely have no room on the roster for Dunlap
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
herremans
herremans is soo over rated .. i would draft that guard .. and plug him in .. sean andrews at the other guard .. heremans back up guard and tackle. . he really isnt anything special .. eagles fans make him out to be good .. hes an average starter
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 6:17 PM EST up reply actions
Actually some of the best Olman and OL coaches have been saying he's something special
and I think his play this year proved that…
Look at how bad our OL did before he returned then look at it after. He was able to play multiple positions and everyone including some of the dumbest comentators are saying he should be in the probowl.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I was actually pretty impressed with him at Tackle also
when he had to fill in for Peters…WAY better than Dunlap
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
no
he came in and kept gettin beat till peters came back in .. i remember correctly .. wild eagle has had a hard on for herremans for ever .. hes the one who started this love affair .. hes not that good .. hes average at best .. i say we move up and draft the guard from idaho .. i dunno how to spell his name cuz ill butcher it .. hes a monster .. him and sean andrews would form the best guard combo in the nfl .. herremans is a nice guy to have as a back up cuz he plays so many positions .. but hes nothing more than serviceable
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 11:46 PM EST up reply actions
he's a better run blocker than pass blocker
but in both of his significant times at LT (vs San Diego, and ATL) he gave up only one sack…and after seeing Dunlap in Oakland, I’ll gladly take Herremans out there.
Oh, and we missed you at the BGN Bowl
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Yeah JIBTA
I was really lookin forward to you coming and lighting us all up with your unique height/weight/speed and unmatched football IQ. Sorely disappointed that you didn’t show…
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
I see Herremans as above average and not much more. We have too many positions where the starter is below average to draft a guard first.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 10:20 PM EST up reply actions
Shawn Andrews?
Look, I like to think Andrews will be fit and ready for duty next year, but the guy has barely played for 2 years. I have no idea why you are putting so much reliance on him. He probably won’t even be an Eagle next year with how dismal his “health” has been. If you don’t like Herremans, fine, but don’t try to Madden-ize the team to meet your preconcieved notions of what the roster will look like.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 1, 2010 10:58 AM EST up reply actions
I dont care really anymore...
I would actually like Rolle just as much as Berry… I think his brains make up for whatever he lacks on comparason to Berry.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
We have enough stupid players...
…Reggie Brown, Shawn Andrews, Demps, Macho Harris, etc. Rolle would bring some much needed intellect to the proceedings. Perhaps he can tutor the cognitively challenged Misters Demps and Harris. Some literacy instruction so they could learn the defensive playbook might help them develop as football players and life-long lovers of reading.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Eh, I dont want to confuse Demps any further... We just need to keep him in his own
special area..
macho may be able to be saved…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I don't know.
Perhaps both of them are too “special” to benefit from learning with the other kids.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Lol... Macho has potential, I think you even have to agree with that.
Dude tries and keeps his head on his shoulders and avoids dumb penalties..
Demps well…. He talks shit and cant back it up, and commits the stupidest penalties ive ever seen.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I agree with "potential"
But “potential” is a really weird word. I think he could be a good special teams player because he seems to hustle. If he’s the kick returner next year, we should demand that Andy Reid commit ritual samuari suicide at the 50 yard line. I don’t think Macho can cover anyone. And he’s not too solid in run support.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
I think he could be a SS
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
dude
macho has no potential .. he was a 5th round pick because he is too slow to play corner and small to play saftey .. hes not athletic .. demps has potential .. he just is incossistent . macho is the worst player on this team
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
um im sorry
but Demps seemed to play alot this year.. and if Macho was as bad as your saying he is and Demps got beat out by him then that means Macho>Demps
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
nooooo
cuz michael lewis was >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> consodine .. so what does that prove .. reggie brown is better than avant .. well more talented .. but he doesnt play .. and when he does donovan wont throw to him .. just cuz the eagles play someone doesnt mean it was right decesion .. i can think of a few more examples
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
Avant and Brown do different things. I don’t think Brown is well suited to the slot and he certainly did not have sure hands.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 11:51 PM EST up reply actions
the point is
macho was the worst player on the field all year .. i dont want him on it anymore .. unless hes covering kicks .. thats about it
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
wait for it
as soon as wild eagle is done sucking gocong micahs and herremans dick .. he will be here to defend that bum macho .. macho is soo bad .. no athletic ability .. too slow and small
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 11:57 PM EST up reply actions
well somebody has to play special teams.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 11:58 PM EST up reply actions
Yo whatever bro...
Im not a fag like you.. All you do is ride Chris Johnson, TO and Chad Johnsons meat until your assholes bleeding like a teenaged girls vag.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Dude, nobody likes JIBTA, but even I think that was a little uncalled for. I instead like to point out that his opinions on players are based on very little and he’ll never cop to when he’s horribly wrong about a player. For instance, at the beginning of the year he was all about Max Jean-Gilles. I hate to see any Eagle perform poorly, but MJG didn’t exactly light the world on fire. I haven’t heard one word about him since.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Feb 1, 2010 2:23 PM EST up reply actions
eh, its uncalled for him to sit there and say the shit
he did for no reason so retaliaton is ok in my book.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
hahah
calm down wild eagle .. u know i love u bro .. ur like the little brother i never had or wanted .. transplanted .. who the fuck are u .. i dont even know who u are .. but i been saying when max goes to a team like minesota or tenn or somewhere where they actually run block u have your self a pro bowl guard .. and he is still better than cole .. and more talented than herremans
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 1, 2010 9:47 PM EST up reply actions
Herremans is better...
He’s a better overall Lineman and he can pass block and run block very well.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
actually
he sucks at pass blocking .. at tackle he got beat two times in a row .. and peters had to be rushed back in .. hes average at best
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 2, 2010 7:09 PM EST up reply actions
Whoa there.. He sucks at
pass blocking at LT??? Sorry but just because he got beat two times in a row at LT doesnt make him bad at pass blocking…
Lots of starting LT’s get beat 2, 3, 4 times in a row…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
hey hey
come on dude .. why are u calling reggie brown and sean andrews stupid .thats uncalled for and un true … u have no basis for that .. u just dont like them .. ill give u harris .. he sucks ..and demps isnt the brightest crayon in the box .. but i do like him .. but the first two are uncalled for
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 6:19 PM EST up reply actions
theres no basis for callin brown stupid
but anyone who raps on youtube (especially like that) is a complete dumbass.
I'll be happy
As long as they don’t draft Taylor Mays in the first round. Kid has “bust” written all over him.
3rd round would be a great place to draft another Safety.
Nate Allen would be nice, just not sure he will be around after the 2nd.
We have the Seahawks Third
I think Allen or Rolle will be there then.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
ehh
all these ppl think mays is a bust .. when the majority think that way .. leads me to believe hes gonna be good .. he has all the raw talent and ability to be an all pro
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 6:22 PM EST reply actions
If the majority of people thought he'd be a bust
Then he wouldn’t be projected to go in the first round
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
It only takes one team or GM to think otherwise to put him in the first round.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 10:23 PM EST up reply actions
Better not be OUR GM.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
i like him
talent is something that you cant teach .. he has all pro talent .. more important than drafting team guys like macho who have no talent ..
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 11:49 PM EST up reply actions
Like Golston and Bey?
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 11:53 PM EST up reply actions
well
i still say heyward bey will be a 1000 yard wr .. he just hasnt developed yet .. and he hasnt even given time .. u got to give a skill player 3 years .. look at vernon davis ..
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 11:54 PM EST up reply actions
I like football player first measurable second.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Vernon Davis
Was never bad. He was actually good in college. He just needed Singletary to light a fire under his ass. Darrius was outplayed by Murphy. When DHB went down with that injury the offense didn’t miss a beat.
Unless the Valuation Just Isn't There...
I’d like to see the Eagles draft go as follows
1st DE
2nd S/LB
3rd (Seattle) the position they didn’t draft in the second
3rd OLine
4th LB a groom/special teams guy
4th (Jets) CB
5th WR
5th (New Orleans) OL/ CB
6th BPA special teamer
If we receive any 7th rounders compensatory picks I might take a flyer on a Punter.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
I’d make CB a higher priority. I’d be more comfortable taking the best available CB with either the second 3rd rounder or the first 4th rounder.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
I could live with that.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Jan 31, 2010 11:48 PM EST up reply actions
no 5th round picks...
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 1, 2010 5:59 PM EST up reply actions
I could deal with the draft going that way
but I’m not a fan of drafting for a specific need when you have more than one, I think you take best available … and I offer Jeremy Maclin and Kevin Kolb as proof that the Eagles FO operates that way.
I wouldn’t be surprised to see the love for linemen manifest itself.
I’m also willing to postpone judgement of the offseason until Lehigh. I won’t flip if they miss on a need in the draft, but if they don’t have a better FS by camp, I’d be displeased.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Off topic
But what do you guys think the chances are of Hank Baskett coming back next year. The way the colts young recievers stepped up and Anthony Gonzales finally coming back next year, I can’t see them having much need for Hank.
Not that hes anything special, but we need a 4th and 5th WR. (assuming brown and curtis are gone and Avant is resigned) It would be nice to have some depth that isn’t a rookie and knows the playbook.
I'd take Hank back
as a 5th WR on a low salary, just for his ability to block downfield. But I can’t say that I miss him dearly.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Interesting though
I used to think that if Hank Baskett couldn’t get on the field, he might not have been good enough to make a difference.
But look at Miles Austin. He couldn’t get on the field at all before this year, and he came out of nowhere to become a superstar. Could Hank Baskett have been our Miles Austin all along?
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
blah
another player over rated by eagles fans .. fuck hank baskett .. the only thing good he ever did was fuck kendra
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Jan 31, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions
hes better than Reggie fucking Brown
Atleast hank did some shit as the 4th WR, brown cant even get on the field.
Reggie Brown is bullshit.
He’s completely talentless and a big time waste of (lots of) money
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Even Sean Taylor RIP, I Believe, has been mythologized since his untimely death.
STEEERONGLY disagree. He was going to be a hall of famer and would have only been more mystified if we weren’t robbed of his prime years. Insane hitter, makes bob sanders look like asante.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 1, 2010 1:03 AM EST reply actions
mythologized/mystified, same shit.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Feb 1, 2010 1:04 AM EST up reply actions
nah
people get over rated cuz they die .. sean taylor being one .. he was good .. not the best .. he was like a john lynch type .. pretty good .. not ed reed good .. and pat tilman .. what a joke he is .. he wasnt good .. he went to war .. his choice .. a choice he stupidly made .. why do i have to see him every year .. its complete bs .. people die every day .. they dont show them .. pat tilman was not even good .. he would of been a sean consodine if he stayed in nfl
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 1, 2010 1:13 AM EST reply actions
wow
you’re normal bs is tolerable….but you’re a real piece of shit!!!
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Feb 1, 2010 1:47 AM EST up reply actions
i'm not going to touch the"pat tillman was only good because he went to afghanistan" comment....
but tillmans numbers spoke for themselves. the guy averaged over 100 tackles a year. i realize that the cardinals were bad back then, but you can’t argue with the numbers.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
idc
i hate pat tillman .. i hate how he gets rewarded for making a stupid decesion .. he wasnt great .. stop showing him
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 2, 2010 10:49 AM EST up reply actions
Tillman was an slightly above average player... The fact that he gave a sweet NFL gig
up to go defend our Country should be respected JIBTA..
He died serving our country and that makes whatever he did in the NFL or home here in america a great thing because he sacrificed it for you and me.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
yea yea
their was no reason to go over there .. there isnt no draft .. im not rewarding him for making a stupid ass decesion .. if he was drafted and had to go .. that be differnt .. but he volunarily showed he was a dumbass
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 2, 2010 7:11 PM EST up reply actions
Or voluntarily showed he was a man and had priorities...
Im sorry but deciding to Serve your county instead of playing football isnt a stupid decision…
Infact I think that it was a great thing that he did.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
haha i like these rants
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
Couldn't agree more
The only exception I could see is if Earl Thomas fell to us at 24. I really like Thomas, but I wouldn’t trade up to get him. If Thomas goes before 24 then I’m all for waiting until the 2nd round. At that point I’d love to get one of the three safeties you mentioned.
The correct answer at safety is...
Antoine Bethea
by andyreidswaistline on Feb 1, 2010 8:29 PM EST reply actions
Weird that this post is completely juxtaposed ...
… with an earlier one (yojmoseki maybe) that charted how every first-round safety in the past 10 years is basically at least a starter in this league and that it’s more or less the safest thing you could do with a first-round pick, in terms of not swinging and missing.
And also, do I have to go on my rant about how the Eagles were on the phone with Meriweather when the Pats picked him? I believe he was their Dawkins succession plan and it all went to pot after that … although we made a good second-round pick, so I can’t beef.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
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