Our QB brought us to the FREAKING SB!!!!!!!!
by jalarsen1 on Jan 30, 2010 12:21 AM EST
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1. He brought us to the Superbowl, okay, we lost...but he’s still our best chance!
2. Just last year he threw for over 3500 yards, with a 99 yard TD pass! That’s explosive offense!
3. He’s the best QB this city has EVER seen!
4. Okay, so he’s in his mid-30s, but some guys are older and still productive
5. People just don’t appreciate what he’s done for us, he’s done things no one else has been able to
6. He’s broken almost EVERY QB record in franchise history.
7. We owe him ONE MORE CHANCE!!!!!! He’s still our best chance to win
8. What’s the alternative? Some punk kid we picked up in the 2nd round, who was only mildly impressive when he had to step in and start?
9. Oh, in case you thought this was another Donovan McNabb post, you were wrong. This is a throwback to Ron Jaworski and 1986.
10. At some point...you move on.
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Beautifully stated...
9. Oh, in case you thought this was another Donovan McNabb post, you were wrong. This is a throwback to Ron Jaworski and 1986.
Nice. Haha.
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still waiting for the Anquan Boldin post know one's coming
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by sports00fan00 on Feb 2, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions
No.
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Jan 30, 2010 7:18 AM EST up reply actions
sure
but that wouldn’t have been nearly as fun…
plus I was bored
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
i thought it was valid enough for posting
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jan 31, 2010 11:35 PM EST up reply actions
Loved it
Haha great post my man.. Couldn’t have said it better myself.
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by micah15 on Jan 30, 2010 8:49 AM EST via mobile reply actions
Well played
It’s not time to move on yet, that’s all. We’ve got a rare and valuable commodity: a veteran QB who can still perform with the top 10 in the league. Fix the O-line and defense and he’ll be fine, and if the Eagles can’t fix those problems, they’re not going anywhere no matter who plays QB.
Or were you trying to say Kolb = Cunningham… didn’t think so.
How will the O-Line and Defense make McNabb throw more accurate passes? I realize we have our problems other places too, but 14 points in two big games lies on his shoulders…considering 7 of that was from Vick
by Makokchina on Jan 30, 2010 10:42 AM EST reply actions 4 recs
Totally agree..accuracy issues rec'd
Most unrealistic Dmac fans blame the Oline for his inconsistency and accuracy issues. But, the Oline was this years problem. Dmacs struggled with consistency and accuracy for years now!! The Oline has not been the main reason why Dmac has forced balls into coverage, thrown dirtballs, sky rockets, not hitting receivers in stride and not connecting with wide open receivers!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I lean McNabb ...
… and I don’t deny the dude is inaccurate. Never have. That’s on him.
But it’s also not the issue, necessarily. The issue is can we score more points than the other team. An improved defense helps in that endeavor. An improved OL can’t hurt either.
There’s an argument that the offense was good enough this year to score on most teams, and the Cowboys just had our number … or we didn’t run the ball well against them … or the loss of Jamaal Jackson hurt a ton. McNabb being the center of all our troubles is not the only lens through which to view the way our season ended.
McNabb is who he is, and our offense is what it is. I’m not necessarily sure we won’t go three-and-out a ton with Kolb. Plus, you have to consider the flipside of inaccuracy … the same way that can kill a drive, turnovers can, and McNabb avoids those.
If the right offer comes along, I’ll back the move, otherwise I like McNabb backed with Kolb and an improved supporting cast … inaccuracy and all.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
INTs < incompletions
INTs don’t just kill drives, they kill field position and lead directly to points for the opponent. No question this is a big reason why Reid sticks with McNabb.
yep, we gave him quite a bit of time on many occasions and he still threw dirtballs.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Ah christ...
you guys just don’t give up, i cant wait to see kolb run like a little girl when he feels the pressure like mcnabb did this season.what do you guys like more INT’s?(kolb) or dirtballs?(mcnabb).
by rainvillefromottawa on Jan 31, 2010 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
IF you take away the 1 INT Reid caused then his stats would be alot better...
Sorry but I dont think a Hail Mary turned into an INT is really his fault..
I’d take Kolb who can actually complete a pass.. I’d take a 50-50 shot at an INT because we still have a 50% chance of a completion where as with McNabb its more like 33.3-33.3-33.3 percent chance of each…
I’d take the 50% chance of a completion over McNabbs 33.3 percent chance of completion thank you.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
i seriously just dont understand how you guys think kolb will be better, he has never proven himself, yet you guys are so sure he’s 100 times better then a probowler…it’s just dumb and not true.more completions….jalarsen, mcnabb has thrown more then 5 times as many passes as kolb, we shouldn’t even be comparing these too.anyways the coaches have chosen mcnabb…so i think the experts are a little smarter then all of u mcnabb haters.
by rainvillefromottawa on Feb 1, 2010 6:42 PM EST up reply actions
we don’t know that the coaches have chosen anyone. Just because Reid says McNabb is his guy for next year does not make it true. If he came out and said “it’s time to move on”, the return we could get in any potential trade would be abysmal.
mcnabb is the starter next year…period
by rainvillefromottawa on Feb 1, 2010 8:09 PM EST up reply actions
can I borrow your crystal ball???
I wanna see if you ever stop sucking McNabbs dick.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
whoa there asshole...
now that I got your attention I apologize for calling you an asshole but read this below.
I dont understand how you dont think Kolb will be better? He’s been able to learn under a “probowl” QB(probowls in "" because it means nothing at all this year) for 4 years, He’s more accurate than McNabb which is something everyone can agree on unless your that 1 idiot who wants to argue with solid evidence…
Secondly Its not so much as were sure he’s 100x better than McNabb, we know that with expirience he’s gonna be good. McNabb is a terrible pocket passer, Kolbs a good one so why not put the Natural Pocket passer who can extend a play back there?
I think we should compare the two of them, look what we need from a QB in our system and you will see that Kolb fits the bill alot better than McNabb does.
And as for our coaches “choosing” McNabb thats a load of shit. Its PR, there going to say what the majority wants to hear. There not going to come out and say “were gonna shop McNabb” because then his value lessens greatly.
Experts are payed to say what they say. Most of them dont say what they really feel, Ive seen 1000x on NFL live where they say what they actually feel then what there “supposed to read on the card”. They get payed to say the things they do and if you look at it alot of them actually feel McNabb will be gone and that Kolb can be successful.. So I think the experts are alot smarter than you the kolb hater.
Im not a mcnabb “hater” thats just a dumb thing to say. Im just saying we need to go in a different direction and hopefully make some improvement. But mcnabbs last 2-3 games proved to me that he’s a choke artist and will most likely never get it done. Now that he’s lost his most dangerous asset all of his flaws are coming out.
Nobody knows how the future is going to be, but all signs point to McNabb not having what it takes to win a SB. We know what we have with McNabb and it just isnt enough, why not try with Kolb and worst case scenerio we have a bad year or two and he all of a sudden explodes or we draft someone high in the next few years…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Terrible pocket passer?
Whoa there cowboy. Kolb might be good, but that doesn’t mean Mcnabb’s terrible. You don’t finish 7th in yards per attempt by being a terrible pocket passer at age 33.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Sorry but Desean and the WR's made him look good...
I think he’s an awful pocket passer.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
first of all, he didnt choke in the last 3 gamnes, he lost the center he had been with for 14 games, yes thats a very very big hole.and comparing accuracy with someone who has thrown 130 attempts and someone who has thrown just under 5000 is rediculous, and kolb the accurate pocket passer threw 4td’s with 3 int’s..wow fantastic what a great ratio.I do not not like kolb dont get me wrong id love to see him play as our qb but not yet, not with mcnabb still able to play.
by rainvillefromottawa on Feb 2, 2010 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
You put up 7 points in the two biggest games of the season
That is choking. Blame anyone else you want, but a good QB gets more than 7 points in 2 of the most important games. He had enough time, and enough weapons.
Just like Drew Brees
Yeah man did you see Brees? HE TORE THAT DEFENSE UP! The perfect season and homefield advantage were on the line, and HE EMBARASSED THE COWBOYS!
Oh wait…
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
He was in a position to win it at the end
Granted there was little time on the field, but he still put up more than 7 pts. Also, the Saints were practically already guarunteed the #1 seed.
Our two games were bigger, not to mention the huge rivalry portion of it.
Maybe this is why all the jobs requiring math skills get exported to Asia
McNabb threw 443 passes. He completed 267 (60.3%), threw 10 interceptions (2.2%), and had 166 passes hit the ground (36%) incomplete. 22 TD means he threw a TD 5% of the time.
But yeah 60-35-2.2…pretty much the same thing as 33-33-33. (rolls eyes)
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Better O-Line DOES = greater accuracy
As pointed out further down the thread, our decimated O-line combined with Dallas’ strength on the D-line meant that we had no real chance at a running game. With no threat of a run breaking the front 3, the LBs are free to mix coverages, float a ‘spy’ underneath to take out the slant routes, and bump more of the receivers at the line (in addition to the D-Line ‘pinning their ears back’ and shortening the time to throw. That forces a QB to check down more often, hold the ball longer, and throw to the ‘edges’ of covered receivers an advantage, increasing incompletions to reduce the risk of INTs – not to mention the poor throwing lanes, batted balls, and difficulty of finding rhythm when the pocket is unpredictable (which throws off a QB even on plays where he does get time, because the previous 2 where he didn’t force him to spend more time looking around versus downfield).
Go watch again the games where McNabb consistently has time and where we have a running game, and the team is unstoppable, despite the dirtballs. With McCoy and Weaver, fixing the O-Line is really the only thing between us and a SB (though a bookend to Trent and a couple LBs that can play both pass and run would certainly not hurt any).
E A G L E S
by PrincetonGreen on Feb 2, 2010 12:11 PM EST up reply actions
Vicks TD proves the point
One more thing – d-Jax was wide open, and Vick had time, because it was the one play of the whole game where Dallas had to try and cover both the run and the pass. You can’t win against top teams if you are one-dimensional. Mismatched on the O-Line, you are unavoidably one dimensional.
by PrincetonGreen on Feb 2, 2010 12:15 PM EST up reply actions
Simple
The offensive line has something to do with the QB’s accuracy. Jamal Jackson’s knee injury was the final straw. With him out and the rotating cast of faceless legions in they couldn’t protect McNabb adequately or run the ball effectively. Once they were reduced to throwing the ball constantly the Dallas D grabbed the advantage.
If the defense could have stopped Dallas McNabb would have had more opportunities as well. Those were total team losses.
McNabb played poorly in Dallas, no doubt about it. He missed on a couple of plays where the receiver was open and it could have made a difference in the game. QB’s miss their throws – it happens. (I know, I know – 60% could be a lot better.) The rest of the team played poorly as well. The coaches didn’t call a good game. (Except the Vick TD where the defense was playing the run all the way; good call, good execution.) This could go on and on. Point is, the games shouldn’t have come down to a few missed opportunities for big plays. They just got dominated by Dallas in a total team effort.
Overall McNabb’s stats look like those of a QB on the bubble of the top 10 in 2009. I don’t believe Kolb could have done that in 2009, I doubt the result in Dallas would have been different with Kolb under center, and I don’t know if Kolb is ready to get results like that in 2010.
I doubt the result in Dallas would have been different with Kolb under center, and I don’t know if Kolb is ready to get results like that in 2010.
It’s hard to say. Generally, a QB doesn’t play that well in their first year as they adjust to the game. That would suggest that Kolb would not be a borderline top ten QB next year as McNabb was this year. However, if you look at Rodgers, whose case is most similar to Kolb’s, there is a chance that he has already adjusted while riding the bench and can come in and perform well.
Totally Disagree
If McNabb doesn’t continually keep going 3 and out the defense would have been able to stop Dallas more often. This is my problem, McNabb gets all of the credit for the wins, but not near enough blame for the losses. He goes 3 and out more than any QB in the league and that puts the D right back on the field and kills the team overall. I don’t want to hear the defense doesn’t give him enough opportunities, he needs to make the most out of the ones he has, which he has FAILED to do against the top teams most of the time. I am also tired of hearing about his stats, the man didn’t even crack the top 10 (he was 17th!) in yards this year, and it was SUPPOSEDLY his best year. I love this post, it IS time to move on. Will Kolb take us to the promised land? Don’t know, but 11 chances for McNabb is enough for me.
He missed 2 games
Total yards is the wrong stat to focus on.
The OFFENSE goes three and out
Not just the QB.
If McNabb doesn’t continually keep going 3 and out
What if, by golly, we make the switch, and we still go three and out a lot? My gut feeling is we will, because that’s how we’re designed, and we might get more turnovers with Kolb. I could be wrong, and Kolb’s accuracy could make all the difference.
Both sides have legitimate arguments. I’m not sure there’s a right or wrong answer, based on what we don’t know (how Kolb will play, what McNabb’s trade value is).
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Yea but when Mcnabb is the direct cause of most 3 and out's
it begs the question. How many times have we all seen him underthrow/overthrow/dirtball a receiver when that simple pass could have gotten us a first down. It’s different if we don’t have any offensive weapons, but we’re LOADED.
Its the dirtballs on 2nd and 7 and 3rd and long that kill us. They kill drives, and fairly often its on Mcnabb because the pass was there.
7. We owe him ONE MORE CHANCE!!!!!! He’s still our best chance to win
No we don’t. As fans, we owe the players nothing. The Eagles organization owes us.
you're right
but you have to believe people will believe that rationale, that he gives us the best chance to win NOW.
Personally, somewhere along the line, I believe Kolb + picks we receive from McNabb gives us a better chance to win the SB in the future than McNabb does now.
The argument, then, is can the fanbase understand that if the Eagles go in the direction of Kolb, our chances at winning the SB decrease for next year (possibly two)?
besides, this post isn’t a “serious” post per se. but it is excellent
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by alcatraz0109 on Jan 30, 2010 4:19 PM EST up reply actions
rather,
it’s not meant to be making arguments for mcnabb
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by alcatraz0109 on Jan 30, 2010 4:20 PM EST up reply actions
Eh
I think the difference in “chance to win NOW” between the two is marginal. No doubts McNabb is better but by how much? He has the most value we can get for him now and loads of talent on offense to surround the young QB with. If there was ever a time to make a transition I think it is now. I love McNabb and has been my QB since the first game of football I ever watched but I’m not very sentimental and I think trading him now and going with Vick and Kolb is best for the future of the team.
If we keep McNabb then Kolb will probably be gone and we’ll have to go get another QB probably through draft who is an unknown quantity and throw him into a starting role with no professional experience and as we’ve seen over the years that is a crap shoot and most fail and never make a comeback. Kolb has been in the league for a couple years learning the playbook and growing along with our other young stars. Keeping him on the roster this long to groom him as our starter just to watch him go will be an enormous waste of resources and will result in more losses than wins in the long run.
I can handle a decreased chance of winning it all over the next couple of years if it means an increased chance for several years after that.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
Um im sorry but
I appreciate everything McNabb has done.. But I dont think it was for us as much as it was for his wallet… But what I’m saying is I appreciate him getting us close to the superbowl 5 times and only getting us there once…
But we have been “giving him one more chance” for 2-3 three years now… How many times does he get “just one more chance?”
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Until the team has a clearly better alternative lined up
Is that Kolb? I dunno.
I think it is... If we sit him one more year
were going to end up delaying his progression another year.. With him in there with the youngsters we have RIGHT NOW will give us yet another year where were able to let them all get on the same page meaning instead of “giving mcnabb another chance” we can give kolb his first, and let them all grow together.
I think Kolb will surprise everyone and take the NFL by storm..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I do not think he will "take the NFL by storm."
Trading Kolb for picks in this year’s draft is probably the best thing Howie can do to start his tenure as the new GM.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
That would be awful
The Eagles have no QB for the future and a 33 year old QB. They’d have to take a shot in the dark with another draft pick on a QB. It would not be smart at all.
by Shady is an Eagle! on Jan 31, 2010 12:14 PM EST up reply actions
Agreed
Who would then be thrust into the starter role, that rarely works out. It would be such a waste to let Kolb go because the front office can’t recognize for the first time when it’s time to let go.
"We are not normal, We are Legends. People will tell their kids about us." - Deon Butler before Ohio State Game 2008.
evilbanner
hes biased .. he hates kolb for no reason ,, kolb is gonna throw for 4000 yards if he starts 16 games
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Feb 1, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions
Is that projecting Kolb's stats over the entire season?
Really? I thought it would be better I think the New Orleans game skews it a bit.
I think he would throw for less yards, more TD’s, and less int’s. Probably a completion percentage closer to 60.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Yo, I'd take that any day...
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
You'd take 19 INTs?
You’re drunk.
McNabb has never thrown more than 13 in a season. His average over 16 games is like 10 or 11. I’m too lazy to work it out, but his interception rate is very consistent over his career.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm
If you’re saying Kolb’s increased completion percentage will make up for the difference in points caused by 8-9 drives ended plus however many points that leads to for the other team, fine. But don’t make us out to be crazy if we appreciate the fact that for whatever Don lacks in accuracy he makes up for by throwing very few awful interceptions.
Considering he’s worked with a rookie as a main target each of the past two seasons but likely will not this year, it’s not a stretch to think DMc’s accuracy could improve some just by his WRs knowing the offense better.
Maybe McNabb just sucks though. Who knows.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
That's more than 1 pick per game
Personally I think McNabb’s problem is that he is too careful. When he is decisive he is very accurate. But he doesn’t take enough chances, which means he throws in the face of more pressure and that makes his throws inaccurate.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
He throws in the face of more pressure
Because he waits longer to throw the ball
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
no the 19INT's but the rest of it...
I mean I’d take anywhere in the ballpark of the 1st two #‘s but as the season went on he’d get better with the INT’s.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
So if Kolb put up 3,500 and 20-25 TDs you'd be happy?
Those both seem to be in the ballpark right?
You know where I’m going with this I assume, but over 14 games those were McNabb’s numbers with fewer interceptions. So, if you’d take those numbers any day, why so adamant that McNabb can’t play anymore? After all, if he’d played those two extra games he would have had about 4,000 yards and probably about 25 TDs (versus the 22 TDs he had).
Noone said Mcnabbs stats were awful
They’re clearing inflated a bit but he didn’t have bad stats. As fun as it is to have 8+ TD’s of 50+ yards or whatever, I’d much rather have an offense that can sustain drives, not rely on broken coverage.
My point was that wild_eagle said he'd take those numbers any day.
But that’s obviously false because he already has those in McNabb. Not really sure what’s inflated about the stats. I don’t get what you’re saying there.
I think he’s saying that he’d rather our team got 4-5 first downs followed by a touchdown consistently rather than a 60 yard bomb that goes for a touchdown. We had a lot of those this year, obviously. Personally, I think long drives are the way to go. Both are worth the same amount of points, but there are added benefits to the sustained drive. When teams took away the big play, we were 3 and out. If we can sustain drives with quick slants/WR screens, then we keep our D more rested and wear theirs down.
Thank you...
thats what Im trying to say…
Part of the problem late in the year was that our D was on the field way to much.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
We all want this
I’d much rather have an offense that can sustain drives, not rely on broken coverage.
and this
I think he’s saying that he’d rather our team got 4-5 first downs followed by a touchdown consistently rather than a 60 yard bomb that goes for a touchdown.
I’m just not entirely convinced switching from McNabb to Kolb would produce more of those.
I definitely think it’s dangerous to rely on the big strike, especially considering when you get in a big game against a good defensive team, you’re probably not going to be allowed very many of those
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Look at the dallas game...
we cannot live and die by the damn deep ball. you stop it and were done.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
The problem with all of this is
Our offense is supposed to be set up for the short to intermediate pass route, and yet I see the long shot taken more often and I wonder is that because McNabb always wants the long ball, or is it that our underneath routes aren’t being run crisp enough to acheive the needed level of seperation for him to try and hit them with it? Is perhaps the blocking needed to gain more yac not sufficient enough? Or is it the fact that jackson and maclin and curtis are all speedy backs who do best when they can run a deep route? That’s what we signed/drafted. We had the underneath route runners early in the decade. Thrash and Mitchell and even Pinkston (who admittedly had a little bit of speed but nothing else). Our current WR’s are playing deep route ball, hoping to catch the defense sleeping. The problem is we probably do it to often. If we want to play proper west coast ball we need the player personnel to do it. Mobile O Line, not just monsters, a fleet footed QB, a mixture of deep speed WR’s and bigger body yac type guys. We have 2 of the 4 things needed, so maybe there in lies one of the biggest problems in our failures.
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Ive never said McNabbs stats were bad...
its just that his play is alot worse than the stats show.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
What do you think of McNabb in the pro-bowl
granted its a cheap scrimmage, but a scrimmage that should make a QB look BETTER.
A QB looking good in the pro bowl means NOTHING, you’re supposed to have fun and look good.
But a QB looking BAD with an 85% pass rush, and man coverage with no blitz should raise some flags, no?
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I should say, his probowl performance
b/c I’m writing this after the game
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
He looked AWFUL!
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I don't think it matters a hill of beans
half the guys are going hard, half aren’t. The schemes are vanilla. It’s like blaming an NBA player for only scoring 6 points in the all-star game. Everybody’s out there trying to put on a show, I don’t think it necessarily correlates to the regular season.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Here's the thing
I don’t think it matters a hill of beans if a QB plays well because it’s designed that way…
but if a QB plays poorly, especially when the QBs around him are playing well…it at least should make you hmmmm….that’s all
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
No, I didn't think twice about it.
The Pro Bowl doesn’t matter period. Good, bad, amazing, horrible. I put zero stock in it. I get what you’re saying, I just don’t think it actually matters at all.
Mcnabb threw 2 INT's and throw dirtballs
With no pass rush, man coverage, and no blitz. You don’t base that on anything, but you still say wtf when every other QB outplayed him.
"I don't think it was as much for us as it was for his wallet"
Yeah if only he was a team player. I mean no other NFL players get paid well. Peyton Manning and Tom Brady have sacrificed and STARVED THEMSELVES to better their team. Stupid selfish McNabb
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Actually Brady took a $60 million deal when he could've gotten $100
ostensibly so his team could afford to sign the Moss’s and Welker’s to help him get to the SB. Now that he’s older, I’ve read that he’s not going to sign for below market value again.
Anyway, that wallet comment threw me off too. How can we presume to know what motivates which guys? Asante has a tat that says “Get Paid” does he not? Dude pounds his chest after a pick, even if it was an awful overthrow right to him.
That kind of guy you’d at least have reason to assume he plays for the money as much as the love … but I really can’t think of anything McNabb’s done to indicate that he doesn’t love the game. Guy looks like he’s having a blast out there.
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McNabb McNabb McNabb
Why are we talking about Donvan’s passing so much. Because as usual the Eagles are a past 1st, 2nd, and 3rd down team. It’s pretty easy to defend a one dimensional team. The one story abut Kolb being unstoppable against the Eagles defense was hilarious. We all witnessed how easily a mediocre Dallas team destroyed us. Let’s get a 1000 yard rusher. Use Westbrook, Mccoy, and a lot more Buckley. It’s time to critcise Andy Reid a little more for his play calling. The O Line consistently gets pushed into the backfield. Run play and a loss anybody. How many times can you remember the birds ever running for more then 1 first down in a game or having multiple rushing TD’s in a game.
I agree that more time needs to be spent criticizing Reid.
His atrocious playcalling and complete unwillingness to make a game plan that plays to his team’s strengths are the prime factor in the Eagles inability to win big games.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Evil
This is the rare subject I lean your way on (and we’re in the minority here, for some reason) but I don’t think it’s bad game plans so much as it is the inability (or unwillingness) to adjust those plans mid-game when it becomes very clear what they’re doing is not working … or they’re not doing enough of what does work.
His atrocious playcalling and complete unwillingness to make a game plan that plays to his team’s strengths are the prime factor in the Eagles inability to win big games.
Then again, someone can make the flipside argument that playcalling would look a lot better if Peyton Manning were out there running Reid’s plays … i.e sometimes it’s the players that are the problem, not the scheme.
How come last year it was trendy to rip Reid and this year the thing is to blame McNabb?
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I love the game plan
Andy installs when a ‘lesser’ QB is playing.
With Garcia, Feeley, Kolb…Andy didn’t rely on the QB to carry the game on his shoulders. He asked the QB to get the ball out of his hands quickly b/c, hey, they aren’t Donovan, and they’re not going to be heroes.
So we had a short passing game, and a solid running effort, and we won games.
So is it McNabb, or the play calling…of course it’s both, but the play calling improves when McNabb is off the field
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I'm still skeptical of this line of thinking.
Once Kolb is the man, I don’t see why you would expect that safe playcalling again. That playcalling was designed to protect unprepared QBs; if Kolb is the starter Reid won’t consider him unprepared. The playbook will be Kolb’s and I have to think he will be expected to execute it. If Reid is going to entrust the team to Kolb full-time, he wouldn’t do it thinking Kolb is a “lesser” QB.
No but we would gameplan around him
Thats what coaches do. Mcnabbs accuracy sucks, therefore Reid can’t rely on him to make those quick throws and establish a short passing/possession offense. Kolb has better accuracy, and therefore this sort of gameplan works of him.
I agree on the shorter passing attack.
But I don’t agree that Kolb won’t necessarily be asked to carry quite a load (i.e. pass, pass, pass). If he is our QB he will be expected to make plays whether or not they are deep routes.
In his two starts this year, he threw 85 times. I don’t think the general game plan will change, but I think where we throw the ball will (i.e. more slants and mid range stuff rather than bomb bomb bomb bomb). also, I think we’ll see more wildcat. maybe it was my imagination, but Kolb seemed to sub out for vick quite a bit in those games.
ja -- I agree with you totally here
and although all of you make points I agree with, I tend to side with the thinking that the play-calling will be tailored to Kolb, but not all that different from what we’ve seen before.
My other points, for yosh, are that I don’t think most of the McNabb plays are drawn up as solely bombs. NFL routes change on the fly, based on the reaction/position of the defense, and the scheme they’re in. Also they change in the account of blitzes. … That’s why you occasionally see a QB throw an out and the WR run an in. They read two different things.
I feel especially with the Eagles’ current personnel, most plays probably have 1-2 short or mid-range options, with the ability to adjust to go routes or posts if the coverage is too tight on a speedster like DJax.
And I think you’re right about Kolb … but I wonder if that was because we were trying to get Vick acclimated, and if that would be a factor next time around.
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Romo was really good this year
b/c the offense was finally tailored to his strengths…I think Andy would do the same for Kolb
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
It's been proven over time
that the Eagles have success when they are able to run (or to complete short passes in lieu of running). It’s no stretch to assume the Cowboys, who were more than mediocre defensively, forced the Eagles to be one-dimensional, then pinned their ears back.
I’m almost wondering if this isn’t something that is solved by the natural order of things; the draft, the return of certain players to health, and time spent in the offseason
I’ll take a big splashy move if it makes us better. What we put on the field in Dallas certainly wasn’t a Super Bowl team, but to think it could have won one more game, finished 12-4 and played at home after a bye … we aren’t that far away.
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In reality
I’d be fine with McNabb returning. He’s a good QB, and he’d play well again…
I’m just worried about 3, 4, or 5 years from now. I’m worried that if we trade Kolb, we have to start grooming a new QB from scratch, and what if that guy doesn’t pan out, and Donovan’s 37…
We have a guy who’s ready to go, and if we can’t keep both, I say we move to the future b/c in the long run it’s better for the team…while I don’t think it would be a very big step down in the short term either.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I don't want to trade Kolb under any circumstance
If the choice is McNabb or Kolb right this moment, I say go with the guy who could possibly be your QB for 8 more seasons.
If the choice is great offer for McNabb that makes supporting cast a Super Bowl favorite or keep McNabb, I say start Kolb.
If the choice is crappy offer for McNabb or have McNabb start and Kolb wait one more year in the wings so a QB injury doesn’t derail an otherwise Super Bowl-bound team, then I favor that.
But every scenario I favor involves Kolb wearing Eagles green in 2010 and beyond. You don’t draft a guy and carefully groom him, while seeing signs he could be a player, and then trade him … unless you secretly believe he sucks for some strange reason.
Kolb has definitely earned a chance to be the man whenever the switch is made to McNabb.
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Agree completely
whatever’s best for the Eagles!
Guys act like we owe Donovan something even at the expense of the team…your opinion I agree with
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
I eat those too..
there healthier than fried potatos and normal potatoes..
I think there good.
And i read the whole thing.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
i eat them fried and battered up
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
I do that too.
I read somewhere that you can fry a sweet potato and a regular potato and the sweet potato will still be like 2 times healthier…
I try to eat healthy, I dont touch candy all that much, Ill have like a candy bar or some candy every month or so. I tend to eat salads alot and try to stay away from fast food… My friends all make fun of me for it though..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
Hmm...
I hope this post is not met to have a point, because if the point is McNabb is expendable because of the cunningham/jaws deal, then, horrible, epic, fail. I don’t believe Randall Cunningham got the Eagles to the superbowl, let alone won one with the Eagles, so if that happens with Kolb, I would like to keep McNabb thank you.
I just thought it was interesting
that 20 years ago, guys were probably having the same exact conversation that we are today…that’s all
We didn’t know what Cunningham would be, but we knew what we had with Jaws, just like we’re not sure what we have with Kolb, but we know with Donovan
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
It is interesting ...
… no matter which side of the argument you were on.
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what pisses me off is
the people saying we should pick up marshall. the only thing hes gonna do is disrupt the chemistry.
random
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Jan 30, 2010 5:20 PM EST up reply actions
Jaworski was farther on the downside of his career when Cunningham took over than McNabb is now. I have decided not to take a side in the McNabb vs. Kolb debate.
I'm going to take the side...
…of the guy who ultimately wins the starting position, be that McNabb, Kolb or gulp Vick.
Go Eagles.
Exactly my stance on this
Look, there are pros and cons do both McNabb and Kolb that have been debated ad nauseum this month. I don’t hate any of them and I have no problem supporting any of them as the QB of this franchise.
Proudly supporting a Flyers team with "no honor".
McNabb got us to a Superbowl!... and threw 3 pick (almost 4) and looked horrible
I watched the NFL network yesterday where they review old superbowls. I forgot how horrible McNabb looked in that game. Then seeing him in the Probowl (with no pass rush) only magnified that he’s just not that accurate of a passer. Without Andy scheming ways to get receiver wide-open McNabb just isn’t a accurate guy.
See Rodgers light it up (Romo didn’t look bad until the game was on the line… lol) just showed me what we might be missing.
Hmm
One pick went off LJ Smith’s hands. But of course let’s not talk about the 2 touchdowns.
And if Kevin Kolb is as good as Aaron Rodgers, you would have a point. But he’s not. He’s not mobile. Rodgers is EXTREMELY mobile. Rodgers has a cannon arm.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Actually your wrong... Watch Kolb move and extend plays here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gLuxHKiTj9o
oh and heres one for ya, Jaws who is a pretty good QB expert said Kolb was most likely drafted because he can extend plays and is the prototypical WCO QB
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
He's no Aaron Rodgers
It’s a fact. That was my point. You are willing to crown him the king of consistency after two games.
I think he has talent. But I don’t know that he does. People who say “Seeing Aaron Rodgers makes me wish we had a qb like that” can’t say they know Kolb will play like that.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
He might surprise us and become a qb of that level
But Aaron Rodgers has a better arm and is more mobile, though Kolb is not immobile (I misspoke earlier, I apologize). If Kolb plays that well, I will be thrilled. But that’s unlikely so people shouldn’t use that as an argument.
Kolb might be good enough to consistently win games in this offense, and he might not.
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
None of us know
He could be Aaron Rodgers, he could be better than Aaron Rodgers…he could be TERRIBLE…
We have a small body of data that looks like he could have success…
As far as next year, I’d really be fine w/ McNabb at QB…I’m just concerned that we’d then have to trade Kolb to get value, and then start over grooming a new QB. What if that guy doesn’t pan out, and Donovan’s 37? Uh, OH.
I guess it comes down to whether or not you think Kolb is our future QB. If you do, you’re probably ready to move on rather than watch him walk. If you don’t, you are probably fine with letting him go and starting over.
I think he’s our guy
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Ehh
More like I’m uncertain about Kolb and I know that we’re knocking on the doorstep of the Super Bowl as is. I know McNabb can get us close, and if a couple of things break the right way we can win. I’d rather not take the risk of Kolb taking one or two more years to completely adjust.
If McNabb doesn’t win again, obviously you go with the younger guy. But I’m from the school of thought that you play the guy that gives you the best chance to win the Super Bowl NOW
GO CUSE, BLUE, AND EAGLES!
Yeah, I follow tanman's logic
Plus I think I’m the only one who thinks this team could come out of FA and the draft with a roster close enough to SB contention that to lack depth at QB (i.e. having only Kolb) would be a detriment to our SB hopes.
I’m open to a lot of scenarios, and given that we don’t have to make a move at QB, I’d like to address as much as possible without leaving us paper thin there.
I will admit that I basically consider Vick gone, and I would warm up to a Jeff Garcia-as-backup deal.
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I never said he was going to be rodgers... But i
do feel he has the capacity to be just as good.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I don't want a mobile QB...
I want a guy that can hit a WR in stride on a crossing pattern. Jackson doesn’t need to go deep for a big play. If we had a QB that could hit him in stride on shorter passing… imagine the YAC that guy could get!
Most of Deseans deep catches he had to come back for or he turned into big plays..
Kolb can do just as good.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb
I'm impressed with Kolb's ability to buy time
I’m just not sure the increase in accuracy will necessarily be worth it if we have an increase in turnovers. I know we have to go with Kolb sooner or later, and we can’t be afraid to do it too late rather than too early.
It seems like most of the arguments are coming down to things that we can’t possibly know.
We’re probably going to have to trust Reid/Banner/Roseman on this one.
I’d be happier to judge the big picture after the draft & free agency. We could come out of there feeling like a Super Bowl team without making a QB move … or if we deal McNabb for some huge parts, I could get behind that and several years of Kolb/Jackson/Maclin/Celek …
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This preseason Kolb really impressed me with his ability to move within the pocket. He also seemed to be getting faster in his reads and decision making. He still tends to stare down routes or receivers but from what I’ve seen he has grown a lot since his rookie year.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
It's definitely hard to estimate
how much better Kolb will be with full reps in camp/practice as the starter, and then considerable game experience.
But it seems to be me he’s got the skills, and every time I’ve heard (read) him talk, he sounds like he’s got a good head on his shoulders.
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So we are now making decisions on how it SEEMS to you. Huh?
McNabb will be the starter game one. Ok?
McNabb will be the starter game one. Ok?
Whether or not this is true…I have no reason to accept based on your opinion on this blog. He might be the starter day one, but not because you say so, and I certainly don’t need to be “Ok” with your opinion in February
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Ugh
I’m getting tired of all these Jaws posts. Can’t ESPN fabricate something more interesting to rumor mill for us?
Oh Yeah!
Jaws and McNabb are the same QB! This is not creative. The same comments apply to every older QB who has had a decent career! YAWN!
i'm sick and tired
of watching mcnabb even when he plays well… the one thing you can count on with him is stupidity… there is absolutely no way he will ever be worth any more than he is today as draft bait… trade him… trade him… pay him to leave… whatever… just get him as far away as possible… no… i take that back… trade him to washington… that will guarantee at least two wins… maybe crazy all davis would take him and vick…
by Elmo the faithful fan on Feb 10, 2010 4:30 PM EST reply actions
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