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The McKolb debate.

I think the whole Donovan McNabb/Kevin Kolb debate is stupid. Nothing from the past dictates the future. Sure, you can base decisions off the past, but that doesn't mean that what has happened in the past will continue to happen.

We just scored more points than any Eagles team ever. That was in 15 games, because we got shut out in the last one. Yes, the offense was miserable against the Cowboys. Yes, McNabb played poorly. Big deal.

NO OTHER FAN BASE throws their QB under the bus every time the QB has a bad performance. It's disgusting. A lot of you want to go to Kolb because "McNabb can't win the Super Bowl". Let's say we make Kolb the QB. Two seasons from now, if we don't have a Super Bowl, everyone who wanted Kolb this year will be throwing him under the bus. Why?

Yes, some people are making legitimate points for the switch to Kolb. Most of you aren't. The fact is we just had the best offensive year our team has ever had and McNabb was the QB for 14 of those games. Our defense was good but gave up a lot of points, and we STILL won 11 games. 10 of them under McNabb.

People are bickering and arguing over where they'd rank McNabb amongst the NFL's top QBs. We can safely say he's outside the top 5. However, from 6-10, is there that much of a difference? Guys like Tony Romo, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner, Carson Palmer, Matt Schaub? Would you rather have them than McNabb? I can't say I would. Can you definitively determine which of those QBs is the best? Hell no. They're all about the same. So even if he's 6th best in the league or 10th best, there's not much of a difference. After that there's a noticeable dropoff, but we know that McNabb is better than about 75% of starting QBs in the NFL. That's pretty damned good.

Another thing is this: Let's say he is "only" the 10th best QB in the league. Where is Kolb? You don't know. I don't know. I know none of you can make a case for him being better than McNabb with what we know now.

I will continue to support any player in Eagle green. If McNabb gets traded, I will root for him wherever he goes, unless he's facing the Eagles. I think he deserves better than what Philly fans have given him. You can make a case for Kolb, but you can't say Kolb is the better choice because "McNabb just can't win it" or "You know Kolb gives us a better chance to win now" (at least not without sounding like an idiot).

Poll
Who's the QB?
McNabb until he retires in 2017
32 votes
McNabb in 2010, but Kolb after that
33 votes
Kolb is the right call now and forever
62 votes
Somebody else but not Vick because that would be idiotic
3 votes

130 votes | Poll has closed

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Obviously, I think we’re better off with McNabb now, but I wouldn’t be surprised at all if a trade goes down with the Eagles and the Browns where McNabb gets shipped for Cribbs and picks. I’d be a little disappointed that McNabb isn’t our QB going into the future, but I’d get over it as long as the Browns don’t win the Super Bowl over us. So, I voted to keep McNabb, but that’s not necessarily what I think will happen.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 20, 2010 11:04 PM EST reply actions  

I agreed with just about everything you said...

until you brought up the word “Cribbs.”

I don’t get why people keep bringing up a trade for Cribbs. Why would we have a need for Cribbs? We almost have too many offensive weapons as it is. It was like there weren’t enough balls to go around. So how does Cribbs help this team get better? We have some major needs on the defense and we could use some help on the O-line, but the offensive skill positions are the LAST positions we need to address right now.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 21, 2010 1:53 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree

I don’t get the obsession with Cribbs when we have FAR MORE PRESSING needs.

I would in fact be PISSED if we traded McNabb for Cribbs, that doesn’t make us better in the areas we need it.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Jan 21, 2010 3:04 PM EST up reply actions  

I would be absolutely furious.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 21, 2010 5:12 PM EST up reply actions  

plus I dont think Cribbs is really as good as his stats indicate...

He was there only offensive weapon, of coarse he’s gonna get the ball force fed to him.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 21, 2010 8:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you dumb or something? Cribbs doesn’t even really have offensive stats.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 21, 2010 8:29 PM EST up reply actions  

eh, but whenever they threw they tried to get it in his hands...

and over his career Im saying he had decent stats for someone who runs, catches and returns but his stats arent good and I dont think he’s as good as his stats therefore in a roundabout way im saying he sucks.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 22, 2010 12:30 PM EST up reply actions  

We wouldn’t be getting him for his offensive capabilities and no one even suggested that. Purely for his special teams beastiness where his stats ARE impressive as is just simply watching him play.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

rogers

id rather get shaun rogers and picks then cribbs…

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 21, 2010 6:31 PM EST up reply actions  

Word was that Cleveland’s run defense improved dramatically when Shaun Rogers was out of the lineup for the last 5 weeks of the year.

I don’t know if this is statistically true… that’s just what I heard. I’m not sure I have much interest in Rogers.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 22, 2010 9:32 AM EST up reply actions  

rush

not worried bout rush defense for the eagles, he’ll be great on pass downs. we have a better line/def than the browns, im sure he’d be fine next to bunk….and rotating would keep him fresh.

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 22, 2010 9:38 AM EST up reply actions  

Maybe so

But he has seemed to be nothing-but-a-headache with both the Browns and Lions. I’m not totally against the idea. I’m more in favor of Rogers than Cribbs, but I still don’t know if I’d want that headache in the locker room.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 22, 2010 9:44 AM EST up reply actions  

headache

he wasn’t a headache last year, unless im mistaken. he hates mangina, and wanted to be traded. can you really blame him?

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jan 22, 2010 9:48 AM EST up reply actions  

He is a special teams maniac. We’d have the best KR/PR combination in the league, and most likely the best special teams coverage unit in the league with Tracy White and Josh Cribbs. Plus, he could replace Vick in the “Wild Eagle” Andy Reid seems obsessed with using. He does so many things and takes up one roster spot.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 21, 2010 8:28 PM EST up reply actions  

Are you going to pay him?

He’s constantly in the news about wanting more money. I’m sure he’s gonna want a boat load of money and I’m not paying a “boat load of money” to a guy who is a special teams guy and gadget player on offense. Not worth it. I want absolutely no part of Cribbs, unless he’s coming here for cheap (which isn’t happening).

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 22, 2010 9:35 AM EST up reply actions  

Somebody will pay him. We have the cap room. It’s up to Andy Reid and Bobby April if they’re going to spend the money he’ll accept, but he’s going to tear it up for someone next year. Might as well be us.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2010 9:45 AM EST up reply actions  

(assuming there is a cap)

Besides, Lurie has been a very accommodating owner, and Andy Reid isn’t afraid to spend money on new blood.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2010 9:46 AM EST up reply actions  

A special teams player is not worth starters money… And that’s what he’s looking for. I don’t care how good he is at special teams… he’s not worth it because he won’t be a starting offensive player for us.

If he wants to come here for a fair/affordable contract and be our kickoff returner and maybe gadget player on O for 3-6 plays a game, then fine. I’m okay with that, but something tells me he’s not.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

Cribbs would be worth $3-$4 million a year, and that’s just my opinion. Having the best player at his position is worth that much. Good field position and a few TDs a year are well worth that. He is also great at special teams coverage. I don’t know what you’re not getting.

I’m not advocating a trade of McNabb for Cribbs (and picks) by the way. I’m just saying that’s something realistic I think both sides may agree to.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2010 6:29 PM EST up reply actions  

No its not

Why would the Eagles agree to trade Mcnabb for Cribbs when there are much more pressing needs they could acquire for Mcnabb?

by Team Serbia on Jan 22, 2010 7:49 PM EST up reply actions  

PLUS PICKS

Everyone’s saying we’d trade McNabb away for just picks. Cribbs is a proven asset to a team and I’d rather get a second and Cribbs than a 1st and a 5th or whatever.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 24, 2010 11:49 AM EST up reply actions  

Not me

I’d rather have Clevelands 1st rd pick over their 2nd and Cribbs… that’s not even something I need to think about.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 26, 2010 4:13 PM EST up reply actions  

I’m just saying that’s something realistic I think both sides may agree to.

Negative… that’s not realistic at all. Makes no sense. Not to be a jerk, but it’s not going to happen.

If it does happen… I’ll buy you an Eagle’s replica Cribbs jersey.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 23, 2010 12:30 AM EST up reply actions  

Cribbs isnt that good...

when your defense cannot stop anyone and your running the Kickoff Return unit as much as your Defense then of coarse his stats are gonna be monsterous as a returner…

and coming from the guy who called me an idiot for saying cribbs isnt as good as his stats tell and you say “he has no offensive stats” therefore he really doesnt do that much, sure he can catch but he has 36 career receptions, he has more yards running than recieving and he’s pretty much only effective as a returner…

Point being if Philly hed be nothing but a Kick returner because (1) He isnt a good reciever, (3) he’s really not that great of a runner, (3) Djax is a better PR and (4) why would we overpay someone who would be nothing more than a KR? I dont want him running the wildcat because he cannot throw that well.. Id rather have Travaras Jackson running our Wild cat.

thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro

"I'm trading Kolb to Buffalo for Cribbs"- the brilliant Trade Kolb

by wild_eagle on Jan 22, 2010 12:35 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't agree with it, but...

Maybe people think that with Cribbs we could move DeSean off special teams (reduce the threat of injury on ST) without losing an explosive returner?
In my view: not worth what you’d have to give up for Cribbs, so no go.

by Rabbit T on Jan 22, 2010 4:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Id like McNabb and Kolb equally for the 2010 season

but I’m a fan of getting something in return for departing players. If McNabb had two years left I’d say go one more year with McNabb but the wealth we have at Qb should be cashed in while we can. We have serious holes on our team and sometimes draft picks sizzle out and never recognize their potential. I want as many quality guys competing for starting positions and roster positions as possible. Especially if moving McNabb helps us acquire the top safety, LDE, or OL in the draft.

In my opinion, the outcome of 2010 wont be decided by who is QB, but how the D and OL play.

by RiotJuice on Jan 20, 2010 11:11 PM EST reply actions  

I agree

I think they’re about equal right now, but McNabb’s talent is going down while Kolb’s is going up, and it will go up sharply with starting experience.

I’d rather trade the guy on the downward slope, and extend the guy with the upside…especially considering we are in a position to have so many skill players together for so long. Let Kolb start throwing to DeSean, Maclin, McCoy, Celek, Weaver…and we’ll be really happy to know that has potential to last for 5+ years.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Jan 21, 2010 3:06 PM EST up reply actions  

I don't like any of the polling options...

I’m in favor of having McNabb for a few more seasons but not until 2017…I think we eventually draft another young QB and mold him into our future QB. I think Vick and Kolb get traded and Kolb doesn’t get a starting job…

Just my opinion though…I know a lot of people disagree…and that is OK too. We all disagree on this topic and that is why it is all we talk about on here…

by justyn725 on Jan 20, 2010 11:28 PM EST reply actions  

It’s really just an exaggerated option. I personally feel (as I said in my last fanpost) that I think we’re best served keeping McNabb, drafting a QB this year, and re-evaluating at the end of next season. If the newly drafted QB is developing, hurray! If not, no biggie. Then we can decide whether to keep McNabb or Kolb. Sure, we don’t get draft picks for McNabb, but we have the best chance to win now.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 20, 2010 11:43 PM EST up reply actions  

Andy would never

trade Donovan after he just recorded one of his best statistical years. Donovan was Andy’s first pick and they dug this franchise out of the dirt together. A lot of fans seem to forget what it was like before dmac and big red. It was pretty ugly and I am not ready to give up on them yet. This team has a chance to make another serious run next year with some adjustments to the roster. They are very young and need Donovan as a leader. The defense sufferered bad this year with the loss of dawk. So why rip the heart and soul that has been the leader of our O for the past 11 years? Show some loyalty for once BGN

by F Kolb, DMAC 4Ever on Jan 20, 2010 11:50 PM EST reply actions  

loyalty

it’s not a question of loyalty. Some people purely love McNabb, others purely hate him; many think both QBs are viable options. All of these fans on BGN are loyal to the eagles. The question is whether it is better for the eagles to trade McNabb and move to Kolb or to give McNabb another shot (and then likely run into issues with keeping Kolb…he won’t be content as a backup forever).

Also, players show no loyalty to their fans (look at Favre), and fans need to show no loyalty to players. I do get attached to players, and I really like McNabb. He was the QB of my childhood. However, I’m loyal to the team and will be happy regardless of what happens. I do really think Kolb will be a good QB and potentially a better fit for the system reid is supposedly running (WCO), but if mcnabb is back I’d be happy just the same.

by eagleyosh on Jan 21, 2010 12:25 AM EST up reply actions  

I wouldn't put it past Andy

he has a track record of doing what’s best for the team, not necessarily the player.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Jan 21, 2010 3:12 PM EST up reply actions  

agreed

yosh is right in my opinion! reid has to do whats better for the team and he will! he wouldn´t have let dawk go if his personnel decisions would come down to loyality!
i´m fina with donovan but also with kolb and i really would like to see kolb in a 16 game season! maybe he´s the better qb down the stretch!

by daveG10 on Jan 22, 2010 3:49 AM EST up reply actions  

The Favre situation was different

he retired then tried coming back. Of course they couldnt take him back. So he decided to get revenge. donovan isnt going to retire any time soon.

The question here is whether or not Kevin Kolb gives us a bettter chance to win the super bowl next year with this team than Donovan McNabb. I dont think so

by F Kolb, DMAC 4Ever on Jan 21, 2010 12:59 AM EST reply actions  

So....

You’re saying it is worse than the Favre situation because he may not retire for 8 years and we may be stuck losing to him year after year for all we know….

by justyn725 on Jan 21, 2010 7:52 AM EST up reply actions  

no

im saying im not willing to risk the next couple of seasons in order to switch to a qb that we all know is no where near the qb mcnabb is. a switch to kolb could mean not making the playoffs the next few years. id rather lose in the playoffs then not get there at all year after year after year. ask the lions

by F Kolb, DMAC 4Ever on Jan 21, 2010 10:05 AM EST up reply actions  

How the hell can you say Kolb is nowhere near Mcnabb?

Who is Mcnabb? He’s getting worse by the year and isn’t make plays with his legs anymore. He doesn’t fit this offense.

And how you can dismiss Kolb like that is beyond me. He’s more of a fit for this offense then Mcnabb is. Will he be better? No one knows, but we’re not winning with Mcnabb. It’s nothing new. Dirtballs, inconsistency, not showing up when it counts. Thats not just last year, its been like that for the past 5 seasons.

by Team Serbia on Jan 21, 2010 10:31 AM EST up reply actions  

I like McNabb as much as most, but I don’t think we can realistically say this about Kolb:

a qb that we all know is no where near the qb mcnabb is

We don’t all know this. There’s really no way to know this until we see him starting for awhile. I think McNabb is a top 10 QB in the league, but I don’t know matter-of-factly that he’s better than Kolb.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 21, 2010 2:01 PM EST up reply actions  

After Lawlor's article

I’m pretty convinced that McNabb is not a top 10 QB. He’s more good, not great.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Jan 21, 2010 3:14 PM EST up reply actions  

I agree with Don being closer to good rather than great. But after looking at Lawlor’s list, I think McNabb is pretty darn close to Top 10. I think the QB’s around 8-12 are almost interchangeable with some being good at some things while others are better at other things.

Either way (Top 12 or Top 10), he’s still better than most QB’s in the league even at age 33. Having said that, he’s probably on a downward trend rather than upward.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 21, 2010 5:18 PM EST up reply actions  

We may not make the playoffs with McNabb...

We can’t predict the future and there is no fair way to compare McNabb and Kolb…nuff said…

by justyn725 on Jan 21, 2010 5:44 PM EST up reply actions  

ok

brian dawkins. randall cunningham. duce staley. troy vincent. tra thomas. they were all so loyal to the eagles. are those situations all different too?

by eagleyosh on Jan 21, 2010 11:31 AM EST up reply actions  

Dmac brought the eagles

to the playoffs year after year. Most of the time with guys like todd pinkston, james thrash, reggie brown, glew, curtis, and the one the only FredX. Thats a bunch of mediocre receivers AT BEST. Granted, he had TO for a year. And they got to the Super Bowl. It just shows what Donovan can do when the he doesnt have to put the whole team on his back and crawl them across the goal line every drive.

Now the birds have one of the youngest, most talented receiving cores in the NFL and eagles fans want to just drop mcnabb like a bad habit? Ill take several more years of playoffs and high hopes with mcnabb than a potential disaster with Kolb. If it aint broke dont fix it. Our QB is very good. Lets keep it that way

by F Kolb, DMAC 4Ever on Jan 21, 2010 1:09 AM EST reply actions  

yes

becasue he has all this young talent and he’s not consistent enough..a.nd like ive been saying he gets too damn antsy in the pocket when he gets nervous

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jan 21, 2010 2:32 PM EST up reply actions  

a lot of them

dont get nervous in big games..or at least it doesnt show in their play

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by Joe_D on Jan 22, 2010 6:37 AM EST up reply actions  

I thought you were talking about defensive pressure making the QB nervous

Guess I’ve been listening to the TV announcers too much.

You don’t like McNabb and I’m not interested in changing your mind, but maybe you could answer a question for me: Are you still willing to trade McNabb if it were a mortal lock that the Eagles would not reach the playoffs in 2010 with Kolb at the helm?

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by grover on Jan 22, 2010 11:56 AM EST up reply actions  

i don´t think it would be a disaster with kolb! this team is too good to really suck it up even with kolb!
if kolb was the qb this season i think the eagles would have gone at least 10-6!

by daveG10 on Jan 22, 2010 3:57 AM EST up reply actions  

Time for Kolb

We had a great year in the scoring department despite McNabb. Yeah, he obviously had his part, but the main reason was the play makers around him. The Eagles had more weapons this year than any other under Reid. Why wouldn’t they score a ton of points. The bottom line question is ’ Can McNabb get us to and win the big game?’ History says no. My gut says no and any rational, well informed fan also says no. All the proof says he can’t win the big one. Time for a change. Yeah Kolb is mostly unproven, but that’s what gives me hope. McNabb offers me no hope of a SB win.

This is our year!

by fivealive on Jan 21, 2010 9:04 AM EST reply actions  

A fine example of the type of person I spoke of in my post. Thanks!

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by yomjoseki on Jan 21, 2010 9:43 AM EST up reply actions  

Hitler was unproven...

…and Germany had reason for hope.

New Coke was unproven….
…and beverage seekers had reason for hope

The Hindenburg was unproven…
…and denizens of New Jersey had reason for hope

The Titanic was unproven…
…and the White Star Line had reason for hope

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on Jan 21, 2010 6:38 PM EST up reply actions  

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F54rqDh2mWA

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on Jan 21, 2010 6:40 PM EST up reply actions  

Hasn’t won it yet != can’t possibly win it ever

SO DUMB.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 21, 2010 8:31 PM EST up reply actions  

In his defense, yom...

…he is incredibly stupid.

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on Jan 21, 2010 8:40 PM EST up reply actions  

so ur saying

after mcnabb lost his first nfc championship game u gave up on him winning the sb? He can get this team to the playoffs. Now lets see if this young talented team can get him over the top

by F Kolb, DMAC 4Ever on Jan 21, 2010 10:07 AM EST up reply actions  

he's always had good defenses

just like a good D got rookie mark sanchez to the CG..

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jan 21, 2010 2:31 PM EST up reply actions  

No, I didn't give up on him after losing his 1st NFCCG...

I gave up on him after losing his 4th NFCCG…and watching his play decline steadily since 2004. He might be a good QB still, but he’s getting steadily worse.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Jan 21, 2010 3:16 PM EST up reply actions  

its not all on mcnabb

he cant win sb alone…. and i still stand by my arguement weeks ago that the reason he has a bad game was because idiot rooks on the line cant block and give him time to think…… hes not the smartest qb in the league mcnabb has made a living using his legs until he found a throw but his legs have turned into tree trunks and its not as easy for him to move around…. i stilll feel kolb is unproven everyone looks at him like hes a god for having 2 400 yard games … one was vs the cheifs who have worst d in the league next to the lions and the other was vs NO which is very uncosistant d…. but even still he threw 4 ints 2 for tds he couldve thrown 600 yards 4 ints is still horrible…… people also look at the yardage like it is so meaningful…… when u play for a team who would rather throw the ball every down does it say much?

by thegreatginzo on Jan 21, 2010 10:53 AM EST up reply actions  

People have to stop saying Kolb beating the Chiefs means nothing. Good QB’s are suppose to rip that team, and he did exactly that. If you want to use that against him, then Mcnabb couldn’t beat Oakland is just as viable.

by Team Serbia on Jan 21, 2010 11:01 AM EST up reply actions  

lol true

AND OAK was without their best def player on the team — asomugha

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jan 21, 2010 2:30 PM EST up reply actions  

Not to mention

The Saints D was on fire in the beginning portion of the season, and that 2 of those INT’s came in garbage time when Reid just had him haul a hail mary for no reason.

by Team Serbia on Jan 21, 2010 11:02 AM EST up reply actions  

idiot rooks on the line cant block and give him time to think

No rookies on our O line.

"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)

by jalarsen1 on Jan 21, 2010 3:18 PM EST up reply actions  

This debatge will never end

If kolb plays well, the McNabb dick suckers are gonna say “its because the play calling is betteer, and the o line was better, and mcnabb would’ve done the same thing.!”

if he struggles they will forever continue to say McNabb is a top 5 qb and would’ve been doing 10x better.

Sorry, bottom line, too inconsistent. Not a WC Qb

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jan 21, 2010 2:30 PM EST reply actions  

no

if kolb were to step in i would root for him no doubt. If he does good he does good. I think Kolb will be a good qb in this league. i just dont think that he can offer us more than mcnabb for our goal of winning a sb. unless u no for sure that Kolb can step in and be a top 10 qb in this league like mcnabb, then u dont make the switch.

by F Kolb, DMAC 4Ever on Jan 21, 2010 3:34 PM EST reply actions  

McNabb is a top 10 QB how?

Maybe he once was, but he hasn’t played like one very often—and when he does its against a weak opponent.

Listen, we don’t even need an amazing quarterback with mike vick legs and a joe flacco arm. All we need to do is have a quick decision making, accurate QB. Our WRs will get open, we just need someone to step in the pocket and make the throws. I think Kolb can do that, I think McNabb coudl do that OK at one point , and his athetlic ability could offer us even more tooo.. But he’s just tooo inconsistent and there’s many a time when even the WR catches the ball he has to stop, or make an adjustment.

McNabb is NOT a West Coast QB,and I think weak armed Garcia proved there. Even when we did run the ball more with him, we still threw it way more than passed it.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jan 21, 2010 3:56 PM EST up reply actions  

Yeah, I think that’s the bottom line. McNabb is not a West Coast Offense quarterback. He never was, but his other skills once made up for that. I don’t think that’s the case anymore. He could still do very well for himself in a different style, but I don’t think Andy’s likely to switch at this point.

by zfg on Jan 21, 2010 4:36 PM EST up reply actions  

Etymology is a bitch. And thinking is hard.

http://www.49erswebzone.com/content/commentary/view.php?id=482

http://wapedia.mobi/en/Air_Coryell

http://crazycantoncuts.blogspot.com/2009/10/don-coryell.html

...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.

Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer

by EvilBanner on Jan 21, 2010 4:42 PM EST up reply actions  

Ok, sorry. The offense that the Eagles run. How’s that?

by zfg on Jan 21, 2010 4:51 PM EST up reply actions  

it's pretty much the only difference that the mcnabb lovers dont notice

Is that he’s not a traditional WC QB and it was his other abilities that made him good. If they love him so much they can cheer for him when he goes to an offense more suited to his abilities.

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by Joe_D on Jan 21, 2010 4:59 PM EST up reply actions  

We don’t run a traditional god-damned WC offense. We have bombs tailor-made to be thrown by McNabb and he connected on A TON of them this year. Yes, at times, that didn’t work, but it’s not like the entire offense relied on big plays. We got stopped by good teams, and that would’ve happened with anyone at QB.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 21, 2010 8:33 PM EST up reply actions  

He missed on A LOT of them...it was more jackson making the play

OK, he’s not suited for the eagles offense… Better?

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by Joe_D on Jan 21, 2010 9:17 PM EST up reply actions  

Half our throws are deep bombs

Its a direct cause why we had sooooo many 3 and outs. I think it’s clear Reid and Marty don’t trust him to make the short throw. I can’t count how many times in the Dallas game I saw the Dallas corners giving Maclin and Jackson 10 yards of space. It was impossible not to see. Do a quick throw and you got a first down.

by Team Serbia on Jan 22, 2010 9:16 AM EST up reply actions  

Do a quick throw and you got a first down.

BINGO! If all of us bloggers could see it, you’d think Andy and Marty could see it. WHAT THE EFF were they thinking?! I still don’t get what was going through their head when they continued to call long throws when it wasn’t working… I probably won’t ever get it.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 22, 2010 9:41 AM EST up reply actions  

There’s probably a good reason Andy Reid won 100 games in a decade and you’re posting on the internet bitching about him. Just saying.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2010 9:47 AM EST up reply actions  

Well if you have a chance watch the game again

It’s nothing difficult to see. The corners give a HUGE amount of cushion to our receivers. If we ever did a WR screen or a quick throw, it’d be a first down and if jackson/maclin beat the CB, its off to the races.

So either Reid is a blind and can’t see that or he doesn’t fully trust Mcnabb’s ability to make the short throws consistently. I think we’ll both agree that Reid is not blind and is a good coach. So perhaps it’s this latter issue.

by Team Serbia on Jan 22, 2010 9:53 AM EST up reply actions  

There are a lot of things that I like about Reid

His game management skills aren’t one of them.

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by MRPH on Jan 22, 2010 10:01 AM EST up reply actions  

in their defense, those two games were definitely not Andy’s brightest moments.

by eagleyosh on Jan 22, 2010 12:19 PM EST up reply actions  

There’s no doubt about it that Andy Reid knows more about football than I do… that’s a given. And by more… I mean astronomically more.

But that’s my point… if I can see it, you can see it, and my wife can see it… then you’d think Andy and Marty could see it. The fact is, Dallas’ CBs were playing off coverage, preventing the big play all game long and while doing that they were leaving the underneath throws open. But yet they continued to go for the big play even when it wasn’t there.

And the most puzzling part about it was they did it in Week 17, had a week to adjust, and still did the same thing the following week.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 22, 2010 1:37 PM EST up reply actions  

Sometimes coaches and teams are set in their ways

Or they get too caught up in the game.
And they just don’t adjust to what is going on.
Scenarios:
1) Cowboys keep rushing with Barber even when he’s having a bad game (in hopes he improves) although they have 2 other good options – result: only when he gets hurt do they give it to Felix Jones and he goes beast on us.
2) Bengals, Bills, and others insisting on throwing to their top receiver even if Revis is blanketing him (maybe thinking “he’s our top guy, he’ll manage to beat Revis at some point”)
These people need to read Darwin.

by Rabbit T on Jan 22, 2010 5:00 PM EST up reply actions  

BTW

I wouldn’t call you much of a football guru either after suggesting that trading McNabb for Joshua Cribbs is a good idea…

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 22, 2010 1:41 PM EST up reply actions  

Please point to where I said it’s a good idea.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 22, 2010 6:26 PM EST up reply actions  

Okay, you never said that “it was a good idea.” But you were pretty clear in supporting the idea of trading McNabb for Cribbs (and picks). You said it would be a trade that would make sense for both sides…

I don’t see it.

by Smitty2K3 on Jan 23, 2010 12:33 AM EST up reply actions  

I think we’re better off with McNabb. I’ve said this many times. I’ve also said I could see it if the Eagles feel the need to get what they can out of a McNabb trade and move forward with Kolb. Cribbs is one of the best players who may be potentially available. Presuming the Eagles were to trade McNabb, I’d rather have Cribbs and a pick than just picks.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 24, 2010 12:23 PM EST up reply actions  

“Cribbs and Rickert are reportedly seeking a contract that ranges from $2.8-3.2 million per season. As Rickert stated, the Browns offered $1.4 million with incentives that could maximize the annual pay at $2 million.”

It’s not my money, and call me crazy, but I think it’s worth it when you consider what we spend on Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis.

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by yomjoseki on Jan 24, 2010 12:32 PM EST up reply actions  

It all comes down to their names

McNabb – somebody nabs the ball. The question: is it our guys or the enemy?

Kolb – breaks down to “KO LB”, or “knock out a linebacker”. If he’s in at QB, then logically that refers to the enemy linebackers.

Makes about as much sense as anything else.

by Rabbit T on Jan 23, 2010 1:47 PM EST reply actions  

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