Stop breaking McNabb's balls!
by DLin21 on Jan 11, 2010 5:23 PM EST
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PrintThis is starting to get a little ridiculous. Don't take this the wrong way, I am not defending McNabb's mediocre performance on Saturday, or even the Sunday before. Yes, McNabb played like shit. Yes, he needs to lead his receivers and stop throwing bullets to the ground or behind but I don't think we should give up hope on #5 just yet.
Look at some of the things that went wrong this season:
-First we lose Jim Johnson (RIP), then our team's heart and soul, Brian Dawkins, and then the defensive QB and our most promising LB (in my opinion) Stu Bradley.
-Our "perfect" OL shows its true face: Primarily that Lady Gaga is more of a man than the Andrews sisters.
-Injury bug camps out in Philadelphia, breaks the balls of Eagles fans everywhere.
-Started 6 different LBs at MLB. Including Jeremiah Trotter, who in my opinion should retire along with Favre and Junior Seau.
-A week before playing Dallas twice we lose our starting Center, who was the epitome of consistent on our O-line (besides Winston Justice. WINSTON JUSTICE.)
McNabb has been through so much crap while in Philadelphia but while we shit on him he gives us the third most wins in the decade behind Mr. MVPeyton Manning and Tom Terrific. What? He didn't bring us a Super Bowl? You can't blame the lack of a SB victory on one man. The average Super Bowl-winning team features a scary defense, a solid running game, and an efficient passing attack. When our O-line blocks like they're supposed to, we have a decent passing game. Super Bowl-winning QBs also usually have a consistent running game they can rely on. You going to blame the lack of a run game on McNabb too? Be serious, now.
Yes, he played horribly against Dallas. Twice. But can you blame that all on McNabb? Yes, he can't hit a receiver in stride. Yes, he holds on to the ball far too long. But remember that he is the only veteran presence on this extremely young team. Many people didn't think the Eagles would do well this year because of all the fresh meat, myself included. Who else could have stepped up offensively and relieved some of the pressure off of McNabb? A second year WR who tweets about "stinging asses" and then doesn't deliver? A TE that was relatively unknown until that brutal loss in Arizona last year?
McNabb's only true reliable targets to throw to the past decade was T.O., Westbrook, and Kevin Curtis, and now that he has all these new toys (that are only going to get better) we're going to ship him out of town? Come on guys, we owe him more than that. We've seen flashes of what this team is capable of this season, and next year when we're healthy and have all the pieces in place get ready for a deep playoff run with McNabb at the helm. And if next year McNabb/the Eagles do self-implode there's always corn on the Kolb to fall back to. Not to mention hard liquor.
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Its just the smart thing 2 do at this point..........
Look i have mad love for Donavan, he brought us back 2 respectability and has given me tons of memories….sum good sum bad but more good. However theres just sumthing missing with him, it just seems like he doesnt have that extra sumtin that separates good QBs from great QBs. That being said i think the time is now to look 2 the future, and thats not me ripping Donavan its just the right thing 2 do for the team, if we can get sum kind of good return for dealing him then we might as well, if we dont then we keep him for next year and then get nothing at the end of next year.
lol lady gaga is more of a man then the andrew sister lol
nice one
Desean Jackson- Im Number 1, the real deal, The 1(0)ne to Watch.
Interview while at Cal.
There are like 20+ other teams in this league that...
would die to have a QB that has consistantly brought a team to the playoffs. I think we should be happy to have one that can take us there. We may not win a Super Bowl with McNabb but shouldn’t we be happy he got us this far when you look at all the teams that can’t even get this far. The problem is that we Eagles fans take making the playoffs for granted. We’ve had a lot of consistant playoffs births…imagine being the Lions and never feeling like you’re going to make the playoffs. Seriously…we should be happy our team played so well and got so far. Shut up about McNabb, he has done more for this team than we will ever know and has made this team a top contender. I am glad he is on our team and I can’t wait to see him lead us to the playoffs again next year.
Then...
Maybe we should just not make the playoffs for the next decade so we can grow to appreciate how good we have it right now.
I don’t understand how you’re ok with this team not winning a super bowl. Getting to the playoffs is great, winning is great, but at some point I would like the team to win it all. It’s been 50 years for crying out loud.
Do you enjoy flirting with girls but never actually getting one? Do you go home at night thinking, “well, that frat boy may have gotten the girl, but at least I had a good time and I got close to bringing her home”? I hope that’s not your line of thinking. Getting close is great, but it’s not enough.
Wow. That is amazing, couldnt have said it any better. Getting all these wins is great but is it worth anything if you dont win it all at least ONCE? I mean what excuses did he have this year? In 04’ it was T.O, then he was injured, and now with as much or more talent as any other QB what is there to say now?
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
'04 vs. today
In ‘04 he had one of the best O lines in the league, today he doesn’t. In ‘04 the defense had JJ(RIP), today they don’t. The one thing we have better today than in ’04 is the recieving core.
by Cowboy KILLER on Jan 17, 2010 10:13 AM EST up reply actions
I don't understand how you can not be happy...
that we have a successful team that wins a lot. A lot of teams are not so lucky.
I’m pretty sure I could put up with a decade of sucking for a SB win. Yeah, I’m sure. Not only would it make me happy but I wouldn’t have to hear from a bunch of a-holes about us not winning at all. They would finally have to STFU.
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AGREED.
I don’t care if we went 4-12 for the next 10 years if we could just win a damn superbowl…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Jan 12, 2010 12:57 PM EST up reply actions
You guys are lying to yourselves more than you’re lying to us. If the Eagles win a Super Bowl and they go 4-12 the very next season, everyone here will be just as angry if not moreso. I can’t even fathom how much more entitled some fans will get if we win a championship.
Look at how angry fans are at Ruben Amaro for trading Cliff Lee. They just won a World Series and already nobody cares and ‘what have you done for us lately’.
That is hyperbole.
Be honest. If we win the Super Bowl and then fall off the planet, we will be pissed as fans. If you think a SB win is gonna make you stop caring about how the Eagles do, you are lying to yourself as Zork has said.
Having relevancy year in and year out is great and all, but it’s not the same as winning a superbowl.
If I was a Giants fan, I would still be so thrilled with the win of the Pats I wouldn’t care nearly as much about the last 2 years of disappointment. I would still care, but I’d still be plenty satisfied.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Jan 12, 2010 5:10 PM EST up reply actions
Maybe I'm just greedy.
I want to win a Superbowl and then be back in the playoffs the very next year and the next year with shots at another one. I probably wouldn’t be too bummed for about 2-3 years as well. I was angry about the World Series this year, but I am comforted we got one last year. However, 10 years? That’s hyperbole, just admit it. If we won a Superbowl and didn’t even break .500 for a decade afterward, I would be pissed by year 5 or 6 I think. Think about how much shit we gave Cowboys fans before Saturday about their playoff woes post Superbowl and how a Superbowl from the last decade is out of date.
I want a Superbowl. I want it more than any other championship. I would trade the WFC for an Eagles Superbowl. I still want them to be relevant afterward though. At least within 5 years.
fair enough.
I was using the decade thing more for emphasis I suppose.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Jan 13, 2010 7:27 AM EST up reply actions
LMFAO
That has to be the funniest shit a McNabb supporter has EVER said!
“Yeah hes not good enough to take us to the SB and win, but he gets us to the playoffs and that should be enough.”
Hilarious!!!!!
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Fire Joe Bastard.
Joe Bastard, our idiot “President” is the one who said we had “the best organization in the NFL.” I demand his firing.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
We all have apprecited McNabb's success over the years
But all good things must come to an end (including his QB play), and it’s time to move on. Sorry, it’s business.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Also.. Just 3 hours 5 comments, but 5 recs
Did you make 5 alternate names and rec yourself?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
You know it...
…because I’m that desperate to prove how awesome I am on a blog. What are you, retarded?
It’s nice to see the support for #5…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Jan 12, 2010 1:07 PM EST up reply actions
When we "fall back" to Kolb...
…we “fall back” to the Ray Rhodes era…3-13, anyone? Sounds refreshing!
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Hey!
Remember Rodney Peete and that big time playoff win against the Lions!
Yup…that was the highlight of the Ray Rhodes era…beating the lions.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Jan 12, 2010 1:01 PM EST up reply actions
Really! MCNabb Couldn't find an open receiver the entire game?
McNabb had time in the pocket and he evaded the pass rush nicely to buy him some extra time, and he still could find an open receiver the entire game. How is it possible with all of the slants and timing routes available that he couldn’t find an open receiver? He either really choked or he cant process the action quickly enough like he used to. He throws one of the best balls in the NFL, WTF?
He doesn't see ahead
if a WR is open RIGHT NOW, he can hit that guy directly with a laser.
But he can’t see a route developing, and he can’t throw a ball to where the receiver is going to be. He doesn’t lead guys. His laser arm just delivers a straight shot.
"EFF YOU, WE'RE WINNING ANYWAY!!!!!!" (Bye, Dawk)
Because once you leave the pocket your vision is no longer downfield and it is almost impossible to go through the progression. This is football 101, but most Eagles fans don’t really understand football so that’s not a surprise I guess.
You would thnk
after watching mcNabb throw the ball the past 11 years and more specificaly ever since 2005 and you would find it hard to believe there is still a ton of support them him. Maybe they really don’t know football or maybe they just like watching it with their buddies and don’t really pay attention?
And I love how the McNabb supporters think if we go to another QB we’re doomed back to the 90’s… Uh… we have Celek, Avant, Jackson, M aclin, and Weaver… We’ll fix the O-line when they get healthy . Pretty hard to fuck that up…unless you get nervous in big games and can’t play consistent football or play well in the pocket…..
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
I’m a McNabb supporter but we won’t be doomed if they go with Kolb; fans just need to realize that it is a dramatic shift. We’ll be going from a QB with a 30:10 TD:INT ratio to a QB who will likely average 22:16 every year, and I’m not sure that people realize that. If they go with Kolb, they’ll need to be able to produce a top-tier defense because they will be on the field quite a lot. Not just because of the turnovers but because of the quick-strike nature of our offense in general.
I don’t like the QBs in this draft either. Clausen has the best skillset, and he would probably be the third or fourth QB taken in past draft classes. McCoy will struggle as much as Brady Quinn and Trent Edwards have, as similarly-skilled low-YPA QBs coming out of college. Snead completely melted down.
Next year’s QBs aren’t much better. Ryan Mallett is a white JaMarcus Russell. Jake Locker is inaccurate and plays in the Pac 10. Terrell Pryor and Colin Kaepernick are future WRs.
Disagree
If they go with Kolb, they’ll need to be able to produce a top-tier defense because they will be on the field quite a lot.
I would think if anything with Kolb there would be less deep balls and we would move to more of a true west coast offense. There were a lot of 3 and outs with McNabb. Along with all of the long scores we were 25th in time of possession this year.
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Exactly, with Kolb wed have less big plays but more long drives, more balanced ffense, less predictablility and a much much much much more consistent offense for a full 60 mins. With mcnabb its either great first half and shit second half, or the other way around, never consistent.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
The difference between the top team in first downs and the Eagles is only 3 additional per game. Every team has three and outs, and multiple of them. The reason why there are deep passes is because they are CALLED by the offensive coordinator, not because McNabb deviated from script. The offense will not be better when he’s gone.
and BY THE WAY
Not running the ball would have a lot to do with a low ToP don’t you think? There is no reason why they should or would run the ball more with Kolb. If he were to become a breakout QB, don’t you think they would fall back on those same tendencies?
completions
don’t stop the clock. under andy reid, the short pass is supposed to make up for a lack of a running game. but if the QB can’t hit the guy, the clock stops, 2nd and long, 3rd and long… ToP dwindles. You just need someone who is accurate, i.e. NOT McNabb.
So why are we bothering with even Kolb?
Trade McNabb, Vick and Kolb. Sign Garcia for cheap and back him with some no name. With all those weapons, the QB doesn’t have much to do except throw the ball 5-20 yards anyway right? Like you said, hard to fuck up with this offense.
I don’t think we’re doomed back to the 90’s, but I won’t write off the possibility outright. The QB position matters more than you like to believe, especially with a defense that is not great, but simply good. I’m prepared for anything at this point and I’ll be fine moving ahead with Kolb, but I’d be lying if I didn’t say part of me is scared it will turn into a QB carousel ala Dallas pre-Romo/Vikings pre-this year/San Francisco post-Garcia. Just as we couldn’t know what we had in McNabb until we committed we won’t know what we have in Kolb until we commit. But mark it down, if what we have in Kolb becomes a QB carousel, the 90’s will return to Philly.
Your acting as is this decade has been great to us, sure theres been wins but that means absoluteley nothing unless you win it all at least ONCE. Kolb is a perfect Westcoast QB, something don was never good at, mcnabb has to go, look at Green Bay everyone was going crazy when Favre left and look at em now, they’re gonna be contending for years to come.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"There's been wins"
Ha. Yep, that’s it. Some wins. That’s all we got. 90’s and 00’s are almost identical except for some wins here and there. We didn’t have a hugely better decade than the Cowboys or even the Lions. Why do McNabb haters like to pretend that this past decade was just ok? Are you really that cynical? Winningest decade in team history means a lot more than “nothing.” If I’m understanding you correct though, you would look at the Eagles decade and the Lions decade and basically call them equal. We had no more success than the Lions yes?
Is the Superbowl always the goal? Yes, yes and yes. But guess what? It’s not a crime or a bad thing to be good and competitive in trying to get there. Every year 31 teams fail, but at least we’ve consistently had a team that was in a position to get close to the goal every year. Kolb may very well be great for us and keep us in that position, but everyone needs to stop pretending like they know how he will play one way or the other. We. Don’t. Know. He could suck. He could. He could be the next Tom Brady. He could. You don’t know which one he’ll be closer to and neither do I. My point is this: If he sucks, the team will become mediocre pretty damn fast because QBs are important.
Im sorry but when you look back on decades you only look at Superbowl’s. Nobody looks back and say wow we had 3 or 4 division campionships great job guys. Unless you win it all, you havent done anything special. Low expectations like yours are the reason we have won nothing in our entire existence as a Franchise, pretty bad specially since we are of the oldest franchises in the NFL.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
Yep, low expectations.
That’s it. That’s the only reason. The belief that simply wanting it more = getting it is just as stupid as not wanting it enough.
By your logic nobody would know who Dan Marino is. Are you arguing you don’t give a shit if we win any games at all unless it means we win a Superbowl? Do you believe that our decade was equal in success to the Lions decade? If you answer yes you will never be happy as a sports fan and I can’t imagine how you can bear to follow professional sports because any good moment not contained within a Championship victory must be inconsequential to you.
Again, wins are great im definitley not expecting a SB every year or every couple years for that matter, but i mean throughout a 10 year span i expect at least 1, is that too much? I mean is it hard to ask a team that has had great players, coaches, fans throughout the decade to win it all once? If it is then im sorry, but i dont think so.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
That certainly isn't too much to ask.
But I can’t get behind the argument that this decade was an abject failure either. There is a lot that was good about it. In the end, though, it didn’t deliver what it could have (and should have. I agree there.)
Any sports fan who EXPECTS a championship is spoiled and entitled, period. It doesn’t matter how good or bad the team is. It’s why I can’t stand Yankees fans.
To pre-emptively counter the argument “so what should I root for”, you should root for your team to win the championship every year, certainly. But to act like you’re owed anything is reprehensible to me. I almost wonder if a BCS system would make that type of fan happier than the current playoff system.
Of course
It had nothing to do with Dallas’ defense right. It’s not like they shut down the NFL’s best offense two weeks earlier.
If only we had Drew Brees. He destroyed the Cowboys defense.
NO had a weak schedule too
and won a couple of big games. They were very suspect down the stretch. little d’s defense came up big, sure, but our play calling and execution were also well below where they should have been. Neither OC nor QB were able to adjust to the reality that the defense was playing well. And we played into their hands by not running the ball. McNabb most of all, b/c if he had scrambled just a few times, it would have kept the defense honest… As some posters on BGN have said, the only reason Vick could make the TD throw to Maclin was b/c their d was thinking run all the way.
this is why i hate mcnabb
hes a good guy and all but some things he does on the field make me want to rip his head off. first of all, if u throw an incompletion to a pass u shoulda made…dont smile…im not smiling, and im sure fellow eagles fans arent either. that is my number one mcnabb peave. his complete attitude just sucks and his body language just pisses me off to the point where i almost throw my tv out the window. the last two weeks were the worst.
let me guess
When players from opposing teams chat with each other after a play and make each other laugh, you hate that too right. how dare these people act like people, don’t they realize they’re just automatons created to satiate our bloodlust?
Why can’t McNabb be more like Jake Delhomme, a guy who yells after every play. I mean he’s won so many Super Bowls. I heard they’re throwing a parade for him after yet another incredible season in Carolina. I can’t wait for the state to be unveiled outside of the stadium.
I'm a 5 supporter
but at the same time, you would think that if he had it in him to elevate his game, he would have done it by now. I think I’m officially with Joe D…enough is enough. Perhaps if he spent as much time preparing for the game as he did preparing for this
We might have another week
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Jan 12, 2010 11:52 PM EST reply actions
#5 is amazing..
He must have freaked the shit out of those fans too hahaha
His performance DURING the game makes me think he wasn't focused
The dance number before was just insult on top of injury
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Jan 13, 2010 12:38 AM EST up reply actions
Fair enough
The way you phrased it before implied that you thought the dance was the reason he wasn’t focused
Oh yea that looks soooo prepared.
He’s done that same dance hundreds of times on the field after TDs and the scare may have been something he thought of after doing the tunnel last week. People need to give this shit up. He has a jokester personality. That does not make him an unfocused person or someone who doesn’t take what he does seriously.
+1
I’m really sick of these morons. Criticize his play all you want, but God forbid he should try and loosen up before the game
easy fella
I could give a shit how much he goofs off, unless he takes a huge dump on the field, then the pre-game antics just piss me off.
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Jan 14, 2010 9:56 AM EST up reply actions
Wow, he sure looks ready for the biggest game of the year doesnt he?
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
He was getting loose
Players pump themselves up before games. Lebron does the baby powder thing. If you have a problem with McNabb’s play, that’s one thing, but you really look like an idiot when you criticize these kinds of things
LeBron backs up his monkey business with dominant performances, McNabb doesnt. I have no problem with trash talk, dancing w.e. as long as you back it up, and mcnab didnt/doesnt/wont.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
his "monkey business"?
His MONKEY BUSINESS? Really
Your words, not mine.
In all honesty
The reasons you give for keeping McNabb are wrong.
First off, it’s not true that he can’t hit a receiver in stride. Watch film most of our plays are timing plays and he completed 60% of his passes for 8 yards an attempt. That just doesn’t happen if he’s as bad as passing as you claim him to be.
However, if he was, then the fact that he’s the “only veteran presence” is a stupid reason to keep him. The best players should play, there’s no doubt about that.
Eh...
I’m not really arguing that we should keep him, I’m just asking people to lay off the hate. And I totally agree with you on your first point, he’s a much better qb than we give him credit for.
However, you can’t deny that McNabb is the only veteran presence on this team, ever since Dawkins left..
We should bring in Jake Delhomme
Neither Ron Jaworski, Randall Cunningham, or McNabb has quartebacked a winning SB but all 3 were guys I felt gave us a good chance of winning. Name 3 other QB’s in the Eagles last 30 years that inspired any confidence over a full season that we could win on a given game? Until you have someone one your roster that you KNOW gives all the players confidence, stay with the hand you have….Yea he didn’t play like Superman but give the Cowgirls D some respect. they made plays. Our D couldn’t get off the field.Had they had to stay on the field for 30 minutes instead of only 20 maybe we could have broke a couple more plays on the Cowgirls D. but I just saw our guys get mashed up the field from the start. Keep McNabb. Draft 2 LB’s and sign a vet lb and safety. The reload needs to be done on D. If that’s not done d, does it really matter who’s Qb ing next year?
Can’t blame the losses on one player. Football is a team sport, you win as a team and you lose as a team. It wasn’t entirely McNabb’s fault. there were dropped passes, as always, and blown coverages in the D. there just wasn’t anything happening on either side of the ball. Hopefully next year #5 and the corps will be on the same page and begin to mesh along with the O-line, mostly we need to heal from injuries.
Your right you cant blame it all on mcnabb, but the fact remains that when he does have time or when receivers are open or when theres holes in the defense he STILL FU*** up. We dont expect him to make something out of nothing because we know he cant even make something out of something.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
You said that even when McNabb has time or receivers are open or there are holes in the defense
He still doesn’t produce.
But the NFL statisticians say he actually produced quite a bit. They must be lying though. The great moradi21 knows all
What stats?
He is in the bottom half of starting QB’s with yardage.
He is almost last in completions(which explains the long droughts)
His horrible 60% completion %.
And against teams with a record above .500 his stats are: 4 TD’s 4 INT’s 3 Fumbles 2 Lost.
How in there world is that good?
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
Yeah you sure know how to spin. Of course you would say “a record above .500” because if you included teams that were .500, it skews the stats in the opposite direction. And the fact that the reason those teams AREN’T above .500 is because WE BEAT THEM. Including knocking off 3 consective playoff hopefuls in a row.
In games against teams with a record of AT LEAST .500, he put up 262 yards per game, 15 TDs, 8 INT, 92.5 QB rating. Oh what’s that sound? It’s your argument, crashing to the ground. Ouch.
not really
I don’t think playing well against mediocre teams is something to be amazed by. I know it’s hard to play well against better teams, but that’s what I would expect out of a “top” QB.
Yea same here, i expect a “top QB” to do good against good teams. By the way 15 TDs 8 INTs is really not that impressive, thats kind of average.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
Average?
That’s in 9 games. That projects to 27 TDs and 14 INTs in 16. If that’s considered ‘average’ to you then no wonder. That’s not average. Average is, like, David Garrard.
.500 isn’t mediocre either, 6-10 is. An 8-8 team can win 10-11 games if they get a fortunate schedule. After all, isn’t that kind of what WE did this year?? And remember, context. Momentum. Think about what losing to us did to the Giants, the Falcons, the 49ers. Those losses essentially ended their seasons, like ducks in a row, just falling to the reeds. If those teams had more to play for in their last 2~ weeks they might have finished with stronger records and boosted our SoV a little bit. It was because of us that they didn’t make the playoffs. So I don’t think you can discredit them without discreditting the majority of wins in the NFL by even the elite teams.
The Colts, for example, had 10 games against teams with records of .500 or worse (to use your selective bracketting). SoV generally tails under .500 for nearly the entire league. That is, what in show business goes by the name of, “the breaks”.
Is San Diego a mediocre team
Because McNabb threw for over 450 yards on 35/55 passing with 2 TD’s and a pick against them. Just sayin’.
meh….one game really doesn’t disprove anything. I could come back with his last two performances against dallas. It doesn’t really matter. this is all just going in circles.
Yeah but the Cowboys are a good defense
No quarterbacks really did that well against them. Look what happened to Brees. Even Aaron Rodgers got a great performance from his defense to beat them
Not to mention
The idiot uses total yards despite the fact that McNabb only played 14 games.
If you look at yards per game, McNabb is 10th in the league.
McNabb’s “horrible 60% completion” mark (60.3 actually), good for 20th in the league, is only 0.6% less than that of David Garrard, who was 15th. Eli Manning finished at 62.3 percent. 2 percent higher than McNabb. That means Eli Manning completed 0.6 (less than 1) more passes than McNabb out of every 30 attempts (about the number of attempts each would throw per game).
Let’s look at some meaningful statistics. McNabb was 12th in QB rating, 13th in TD’s, 1st in completions over 40 yards, 9th in completions over 20 yards, 10th in yards per game.
Listen you fuck*** piece of sh** you better start talking in a better tone, im sick of your same bull**** reasons. STFU. Im sorry mods but this guy has continued his foul mouthed comments, and im really sick of it.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
foul-mouthed?
Lol I didn’t swear once you did.
Why don’t you actually try responding to my arguments instead of whining like a little bitch
ahah i find it so funny when people try to act tough over the internet. You’ll learn when you get older that its the freaking internet any dumbass faggot can act tough because they know theres no consequences, i 100000% sure that you would say this to ANYONE in real life.
"Season tickets for the Lakers? How is that economically possible?"
"Bye, Mac"
Umm
That’s cool, I guess. You lost the argument so you start using homophobic slurs and tell me I’m trying to act tough, when all I’m really doing is presenting some facts.
I’ll take that as you conceding the argument
Who cares?
Mcnabb averages out to not being a top 10 QB. He is not getting us anywhere. I’m tired of 3 and outs. I’m tired of dirt balls. I’m tired of watching him play good for 1 game and then blow the next 3. I’m tired of inconsistency. Mcnabb isn’t getting us to the big dance.
Will Kolb? Who knows but I’m ready for a new era, and if we’re going to lose then I want to lose a different way.
Mcnabb had an average season. Outside of the top 10 is average, especially since people considered him a top 5 QB at once.
by Team Serbia on Jan 15, 2010 10:59 AM EST up reply actions
Well
McNabb is top 10 in yards per game (10th), yards per attempt (7th), 12th in QB rating, and 13th in TD’s despite playing in only 14 games. Those average to about 10th in the league, which meets your criteria.
No it doesn't
I want an accurate QB. I don’t want inconsistency that we know is going to come. Our team isn’t a QB team anymore. We have playmakers everywhere. Get them the ball and they’ll make plays. 3 and out’s where 2 balls are poorly thrown isn’t going to get us anywhere.
they wouldnt
site the statistic if they werent important your opinion of the stats doesnt change their importance and if you really think it does you have a ridiculous delusion of grandeur
Yes I have vegeta from dragon ball z in my picture....combined with eagles logo my picture is badass enough to cure cancer
Honestly
My opinion has nothing to do with the fact that citing total yards for a guy who didn’t play as many games as the other quarterbacks is flawed. Anyone will tell you that. Yards per game are what matter.
And all I said was that the difference between McNabb’s completion percentage and someone 7 spots above him was almost negligible over the course of a game.
And look at the statistics he chose
He completely left out qb rating (McNabb is 12th) and yards per attempt (7th), which are arguably two of the most important statistics when you judge a qb’s performance (not my opinion just the opinion of pretty much any analyst, sporting news company, or general manager)
he was also
4th highest in yards lost due to sacks in 14 games…
He’s not 26 anymore and can’t shed would be tacklers anymore, particularly when he KNOWS his O line is beaten up. He needs to hear that alarm clock going off and respond by either getting rid of the ball, or taking off downfield. +3 yards on a scramble > 0 yds trying to force an ill advised pass or -5 yds to sack.
Mc Nabb
I like # 5 also but we need to reconize his short commings. He is not a passer so relieve him of the pressure and use the running game to keep offences off of the field and on the sidelines where they can’t hurt you. Hide that weakened defence.
We throw 75-80% and we’re 5-4, we throw 50-55% we’re 6-0 so we come to the last game 11-4 and what do we do. Put all of the pressure to create offence on # 5 and guess who laid 2 eggs in a row. Thanks Marty and Andy.
those stats are also flawed...
we get the throws DOWN to 50% in games we’re winning because Reid/MM load up running plays at the end of the game, as a good coach should. In games we’re losing, we end up throwing the entire time to save clock, get big chunks of yardage…
But I agree with your point that we need to have a running game early on in the game, not just after a victory has been sealed.
By the way, on QBs against playoff teams
Since people consider Peyton Manning to be the most elite passer in the NFL, let’s take a look at what he did in his magical super bowl run where he singlehandedly carried his team to a ring:
3 TD, 7 INT, 70.5 QB rating
Oh wow it’s almost.. like.. you need more than just.. one guy being good.. to… NO no you guys are right it’s all McNabb’s fault he’s the only reason.
(guess who has a better TD:INT ratio in the postseason than peyton) (no really guess)
and heyyy
while we’re at it let’s take a look at other notable first SB wins because obviously the teams won because of clutch intangible gritty firey wily crafty QB play and not because of any other thing
Ben Roethlisberger
9-21 123 YD 0 TD 2 INT 22.6 QB Rating
John Elway
12-22 123 YD 0 TD 1 INT 51.9 QB Rating
Brad Johnson
18-34 215 YD 2 TD 1 INT 79.9 QB Rating
Joe Theismann
15-23 143 YD 2 TD 2 INT 75.1 QB Rating
Earl Morrall/Johnny Unidas
10-24 235 YD 1 TD 3 INT 39.4 QB Rating
+1
Great point. The fact is, you’re going up against the best defenses in the playoffs and even the best quarterbacks are going to struggle.
I mean there are only a couple of quarterbacks who rose above the call of duty against the toughest playoff teams, and such are the likes of Tom Brady and Joe Montana, possibly the greatest QBs to ever play the game. If that is the average Eagle fan’s benchmark for what a good QB should be, then yeah, no shit, they’re going to be disappointed. And that is ON THEM. That is THEIR FAULT. They don’t deserve your respect, pity, or attention. They don’t even deserve to be legitimate football fans and they can get out.
Even in what is probably the best era of the NFL for QBs, the level of play from quarterbacks in the postseason is not stellar. Look at what Joe Flacco did to beat the Patriots: NOTHING! He literally just handed the ball off, and they won. Meanwhile Aaron Rodgers put up possibly one of the greatest postseason performances for a QB in NFL history, and his team lost. If Packers fans were Eagles fans, they would be calling for his head and wishing for Brett Favre to come back. Thank god not everyone in football is completely insane.
If the team “moves on” from McNabb, they are not exactly “moving on” to a championship. They have a miserable defense, a porous offensive line, and lack a true feature back. Whoever takes over for the Eagles in the future will be getting the keys to a shiny new car that has no engine inside. Make no mistake about that. Even when Stewart Bradley and Omar Gaither return next year, it’s not just going to click back into place.
The question then becomes, do you want Kolb to take his lumps? Well, if you do that, he might not put up a very fair performance during the season in context with the struggles the team is going to go through, and he could be gone, and then the Eagles would have 0 starting QBs on their roster. If you keep McNabb, at the very least he can keep the team competitive while they try to figure things out. But if you do that, you’ll have to extend McNabb’s contract. You can’t have both Don and Kevin’s contracts expire at the same time. That would be a nightmare. Then the team would be left, again, with 0 starting QBs. And they’re not going to extend Kevin’s without having seen him in a proper starting context, in ideal conditions. I don’t think next year constitutes ideal conditions. That’s a lot of pressure to put on someone, making them essentially play for their contract.
Green Bay didn’t want to see that happen with Favre/Rodgers, which is why Rodgers started in the 4th year of his 5 year contract, and got extended then, rather than in the 5th and final year. Well, the Eagles don’t have that option. So it’s either put the entire burden of the franchise on the young QB in a rookie season that determines the future of his NFL career, or keep McNabb behind the wheel of that car while you’re still getting all of the parts under the hood, while Kolb sits in the passengers seat with the driving instructor wheel. Those are the options. And no matter which option they take, they will become a pariah in one way or another to the local fans and media. It’s not a lose-lose, but it’s not a win-win either. It’s a meh-meh situation.
Interesting examples, here are my memories:
Ben Roethlisberger (excellent defense and running game/Big Ben was great until the SB)
John Elway (TD, amazing running back)
Brad Johnson (Amazing defense)
Joe Theismann (Great running game)
Earl Morrall/Johnny Unidas (wasn’t alive)
I think everyone could agree with the following:
So, let’s run the ##$#ing ball and take the pressure off our qb, as we don’t have one good enough to carry the load. Of course, the defense has to be much, much better.
Manning's TD/INT numbers in 2006 are an anomaly...
The guys career postseason numbers have been quite impressive. To read the counter argument to above, see:
Quote from the article, “To put his postseason quarterback rating in perspective, it’s higher than the career quarterback rating of Roger Staubach, Jim Kelly, Len Dawson, Sonny Jurgensen, Troy Aikman, Warren Moon, Bart Starr, Fran Tarkenton, Dan Fouts, and John Elway. All of them are members of the Pro Football Hall of Fame.”
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