Michael Vick and the most surreal record ever

But I wouldn’t mind him staying here. He started to come along well. Kolb will be the starter — there’s no doubt in my mind. McNabb just isnt making the plays he used to.

We have a chance to get a 1st rounder for McNabb and a 2nd for Vick. Hopefully we can get Feeley back as a #2 and then draft a QB out of the first round to develop as well.

As a McNabb honk I’m still a little foggy as to where I stand. He did well for most of the year, and I do believe that is his inability to play well the past few weeks had more to do with the Dallas scheme than him simply “choking”.

To be honest with you, I am kind of ready for the next future QB for the Eagles to take the reigns (partly because McNabb is in the final year of his contract and still has some trade value attached to him).

Honestly, I’m ready for more of a productive “dink and dunk” style passing game again with a QB that makes those reads quicker. They became too dependent on the long ball home run this year and they suffered in the playoffs for it.

But I’m going to lay it out like this. Lets say we leave McNabb as the starter in the offseason and Kolb as a restricted free agent (I think that’s right) walks out the door. Then we bring in another new QB to pick up the slack. Then McNabb gets hurt broken ribs/knee/ankle/concussion and we have garbage to work with.

I’ll tell you right now, Vick is gone. We’re not going to pick up his contract next year. His contract balloons next year and there are too many teams that would love an “experienced” QB to play in the interim.

I think that it’s time to pass the torch to Kolb. Not because he’s crappy, not because we can’t win with him, it’s just that we’ve invested all this money and time into Kolb and if we give him an entire offseason of work we should have a smooth transition. Much the same way Green Bay did with Rodgers (Well smooth in terms of the team still being able to compete, not in terms of the crazy media debacle.)

If we did give Kolb his shot, I would much rather Vick go. It is hard enough to be the QB in this town, and the last thing he needs in his 1st season as a starter is all the Vick talk every time he has a bad game (he is bound to have a few stinkers in his 1st year)

Flat out quit last night. He looked like a pouting 12 year old on that bench starting in the 2nd quarter every time the camera panned to him. Regardless of his level of play during the season or any particular game, this one included, the simple fact that he quit on this team at least emotionally, if not all the way, makes any case for keeping him impossible to argue in my mind.

Why the hell we would trade away Kolb? Or not give him a chance to start here? You guys do realize he’s the first QB to throw for 300+ yards in both starts. Yes, against bad defenses, but McNabb didn’t beat a team over 500 this year, so why is he not worthy of a chance? Why the hell would we draft someone who would have to learn this offense all over again and gain NFL experience. Kolb is more than capable.

1. Pretty unlikely that McNabb goes unless the Eagles really get something that is hard to turn down (No. 1 draft pick that is mid-later round). When he got that 2-year extension last offseason, it really was pretty definite what the Eagles plans were with McNabb. They had 2 more years to win it with McNabb. After that, they were going to move one way or another.

They went out last offseason and really retooled the offense to help McNabb. This year they will likely do the same with the defense while continuing the youth movement in the process to a degree. Also figure they will resign a few key secondary guys on offense (Avant, Weaver) while trying to figure out a couple of things about the OL and making 1-2 strategic acquisitions to address the offense via draft/FA.

All of this leads up to giving McNabb one more shot to win here and after that he is done here.

2. Vick clearly had a problem this year with being the backup and the amount of playing time. He grumbled at several points this year about it. Only reason it didn’t get ugly is because Vick likely realized he didn’t have any leverage for several reasons (e.g., McNabb is Reid’s guy, Vick was clearly out of playing shape to start the season).

I can’t see Vick being a good soldier next year though if the Eagles trade McNabb and give the job to Kolb. Pretty much assume Vick will demand to get traded to a team where he could possibly start.

3. Eagles are going to move one of their QBs to clear space and likely try to get a pick in this year’s draft to address a need. All signs point to Vick including his notable escalation in salary.

The Vick pass to Maclin, the one that hit Maclin in stride with the perfect spiral and touch, was a beautifully thrown TD pass! Haven’t seen an Eagles WR get hit with a pass in STRIDE since the Kolb to Djax connections vs the Saints and Chiefs! I hope McNabb works on this in the offseason (if they decide to keep him). Can’t blame the line for not giving McNabb time becuz Vick played with the same Oline and Kolb played with the bizzaro Oline at the beginning of the season. The one that was missing Herremans, and our RG spot was not definite as is we were Rotating RG’s at the point in time between Stacy Andrews, Nick Cole and MJG! Kolb and Vick just made great TD throws! I like Dmac, but he needs help with his accuracy, touch and throwing motion! And also his defensive reads/coverage reads. If he’s committed, he CAN correct this!

Okay if we manage to trade McNabb for a first rounder, it should be to the Seahawks. Depending on which pick we get from them (6 or 14) we should either draft Eric Berry 6th, safety out of Tennesee, or Taylor Mays 14th, safety out of USC. Prior to the draft we should attempt to sign one of the many linebackers in free agency like Shawne Merriman or Karlos Dansby. If we manage to do that we draft a defensive end with our other first rounder like Derrick Morgan (GT) or Everson Griffen (USC). If we don’t sign a linebacker, we draft Sean Weatherspoon, OLB out of Mizzou (hahaha we’ll have two spoons). Anyways thats just a little early offseason ranting. Lemme know if you can think of any better ideas. (ALSO this all depends on if they declare for the draft)

that the top vote is to let McNabb go.

I know he has a love/hate relationship with the fans – but is he really that bad? After all he just got a contract extension….

As for trading him – I just cannot see anyone offering a first and paying a lot of money to an old and injury prone QB when teams are having success with drafting rookie QB’s.

I would say a 4th for McNabb.

However, if you let Kolb go he could get you a first or a second and fourth (or something like Schaub’s trade value from Atlanta).

McNabb has one year left on his contract. He deserves a chance with a real offensive line.

You are seriously brain-damaged if you thought Kolb or Vick or Peyton Manning or Tom Brady could have won that game playing with the Eagles. How? The Dallas pass rush has been fierce of late, as have their cornerbacks. They made Drew Brees look like a pedestrian quarterback. The pass rush was constantly on his face, and Dallas’ coverage schemes took our receivers out of the game (Maclin aside). Plus, we turned the ball over 4 times (two were not McNabb’s fault).

Dallas was a better (because they were at full strength) team. Our defense cannot handle all the firepower they have on offense, and we were playing with a makeshift offensive line. If they go get Julius Peppers, draft a safety, add some depth at linebacker, we will be back stronger than ever. A healthy offensive line is necessary to put up more than 14 points on the Cowboys.

If Kolb starts next year or McNabb will will lose for the next 3 to 4 years.

To all that say Kolb/Vick, you’re idiots. It’s McNabb/Kolb… Vick is trade bait, that’s it. I may be convinced of a McNabb/Vick year, w/ Kolb being traded and an early round rookie pick up. But the only way would be if we just groom Vick for another year and then trade him.

I didn’t say that was my first choice.. but I could be convinced to it, he’ll be worth more to another team where he could potentially start then to our team where he’ll be on a bench.

Trading Kolb makes the least sense because you’ll never get back what you invested. They spent a high 2nd round pick, they won’t get more than that right now. He’s far more valuable as the starter or the backup next year.

how is vick/kolb different than kolb/vick?

The Eagles issue is the line up they have….If Andy really wanted a SB ring, he will draft or trade for a power back. Someone that will keep defense honest….When Kolb played this year Andy ran the ball alot more…..If they call the same plays they call for Dmac Kolb will have a worse result. All Dallas did yesterday was sit back in coverage. Every time Djax was thrown to, he had at least 2 guys on him sometimes 3. You cannot win in this league the way the Eagles cal. plays. If you believe Dmac should go, please go look at all 5 TDs Warner threw today. All were quite imperfect but he gave his receivers a chance…In fact he threw a ball similar to the one Maclin missed last week and it was caught. The best receiver on this team though very fast is undersized, he cannot win most battles (hence the ball must be delivered to him in space). Dmac is not one of the better pure passers in this league but Kolb isn’t either (not from what I’ve seen from him).

If Andy let Dmac go, he knows his own clock in Philly will start ticking because if he makes the gamble on Kolb and this team fails to make the playoffs the next 3 yrs which I think is a high possibility, then he won’t have a Job for long. The question does Andy have the time it will take to rebuild a new team or does he want to develop his young guys with veteran presence? I hope he makes the right decision. I would love to see what Dmac could do with the Vikes team while Kolb gets the chance everybody seems to think he earned.

We know a few things for certain.

We had a TON of injuries this year. We are weak at left end and free safety.

Why not see what happens when our entire roster is healthy? Maybe we can’t afford Vick anymore. That’s fine but Vick is a lot older than Kolb. I’d rather have Kolb.

We thought, going into this season, that we’d have an awesome O-line, a solid defense, and either McNabb at a Pro Bowl level, or Kevin Kolb if McNabb didn’t work out. Why can’t we do the same thing again? If this team is doomed to failure with McNabb at qb, that should be apparent early next year. Then we can either trade McNabb at that point or at the end of the season, and put Kolb in.

Maybe Kolb has the goods (he certainly looked capable when he got a chance to play), but it occurred to me several times on Saturday that anyone not named Donovan McNabb would have been sacked eight times, rather than four, trying to come from behind with that line.

Jackson might end up setting every record in the books someday, but the only guys that have scared me over the years on Philly have been Westbrook and McNabb. Westbrook looks done, or at least on his way out in Philly, and I personally find it very difficult to imagine that Kolb is in any way better than Donovan.

Different, maybe. But not better.