The Elephant in the Room
In this fanpost, I'm going to address the sexiest, most controversial and most obvious topic of discussion for the Eagles this offseason.
Quarterbacks.
We've got 'em. They don't grow on trees, and they are considered somewhat important. Slightly. We are in the envious position of possessing 3 quality quarterbacks on our roster. Now, I will examine the possibilities as I try to put an altogether disappointing season behind me because I'm pretty disgusted that we lost to the Cowboys thrice and next year can't get here fast enough.
So... here's the situation: We have too many quarterbacks. There are plenty of the teams that would be instantly upgraded by any of these QBs. Some teams may be in the market for a QB include the Buffalo Bills, the St. Louis Rams, the Cleveland Browns, the Oakland Raiders, the Redskins, the 49ers and even the New York Giants (I kid, I kid... Eli's alright and I'm sure Giants fans are as frustrated as we are this year). Our QB hoarding is one of the main reasons Kyle Boller still has a job. That's not right, dammit.
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Donovan McNabb has won a ton of games in his career (many of them with a less than stellar supporting offensive cast), with an impressive postseason resume. Nevertheless, he has never won the Super Bowl and has only played in it once.
Michael Vick is another pro-bowler who has enjoyed moderate post-season success as well. He's not the best passer in the world, but a creative offensive coordinator with the right scheme in place could utilize his skills successfully.
The Eagles had the most surprising and controversial move of the preseason when they signed the embattled Vick to a one-year deal with an option for a second year. It is the belief of myself and many others that the Eagles signed him merely as an investment to turn him into a draft pick or two after the season.
We took the brunt of the public relations firestorm for whoever would potentially make a move for him. He would come with an inexpensive contract and likely at a low cost (a mid round draft pick). He'd sell jerseys and put butts in seats. All these signs point to the likelihood of Vick being gone from Philly.
Kevin Kolb is our own little Aaron Rodgers. He's been riding the pine pony for three years and he got a taste for the big time this year with two starts. He's going to be antsy for playing time and he's got plenty of reasons to think he should be a starting quarterback, either here or somewhere else.
He played pretty well in two games filling in for an injured McNabb in weeks 2 and 3. He threw for approximately 12 billion yards during those two games. Some view him as the future face of the Eagles.
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The Buffalo Bills
The Bills have been rotating Trent Edwards and Ryan Fitzpatrick. There's at least one Bills fan that thinks Trent Edwards is a future hall of famer, but most of them aren't abusing heavy psychoactive substances. Ryan Fitzpatrick's greatest accomplishment was piloting the Bengals to a non-loss against the Eagles in 2008. The Bills have a solid defense and a few offensive weapons to work with. However, their offensive line without Jason Peters has been poor at best. An upgrade at QB would give this team a few more wins, but wouldn't turn them into a postseason team.
This is a team looking to go into full rebuild mode after letting go of their entire coaching staff, the stadium maintenance workers, everyone who sells concessions in Buffalo, and the stadium groundskeepers. They would want a young player, and they would need to give up at least a first round pick to get Kolb. Now, I'm going to make an assumption (about a coach whose identity is yet to be determined), but he'd probably rather draft his own QB than inherit Kolb (unless someone from the Eagles becomes the head coach of the Bills). They might consider Vick as a publicity stunt, but making such a move would do little to improve this team.
Trade likeliness: 2/10
Most likely to trade for: Kolb
The St. Louis Rams
This is a team without an identity. Well, they do kinda have an identity. They're known for using Steven Jackson 400 times a year. Their offensive line is weak, and their receivers need to play better than they have before any opposing teams will decide to cover them instead of putting all 11 players on the line of scrimmage. They have Donnie Avery, Laurent Robinson and Eagles fan favorite Brandon Gibson, who have all showed flashes of brilliance, but have yet to play with consistency. Is that their fault or a combination of the QB and o-line play? We won't know until the OL and QB are upgraded in St. Louis.
Their defense is a sham. This is a one win team with a lot of holes. Steve Spagnuolo will most likely prioritize defense and with good reason. If they were to make a move for one of our QBs, Michael Vick wouldn't be a horrible option for them. He could hold down the fort, make some plays, take a bunch of sacks, sell some seats and some jerseys while they try to get players in place to make strides to improve.
Trade likeliness: 4/10
Most likely to trade for: Vick
The Cleveland Browns
The Browns have Derek Anderson and Brady Quinn. Going into the 2008 season, many people thought the Browns were blessed by the "too many QBs" problem, too. However, Brady Quinn has been pretty horrible and Derek Anderson turned out to be a great big phony. They've put up two disappointing seasons in a row with almost nothing to show for on offense. They traded Kellen Winslow and Braylon Edwards, the only true offensive weapons they had at the beginning of the 2009 season. During the last few weeks of the season, however, they discovered an offensive strategy that may prove effective in the foreseeable future: Direct snap to Jerome Harrison 75 times a game.
The Browns suffered a close loss to a very good Chargers team before Eric Mangini coached the Browns to a victory over the Steelers for the first time since 1492 2003. Before that win, the Browns were 1-11. That was the beginning of a four game win streak which absolutely wrecked their chances of getting the first pick. The Browns drafted two wide receivers early last year, and actually have a competent offensive line lead by a great left tackle, Joe Thomas. The emergence of Jerome Harrison and the development of their young receivers may put this team a QB away from a respectable offense.
Which of the Eagles QBs would they prefer? Would they want any? It's not as though Brady Quinn is a lost cause. He hasn't played well but you can't declare him a bust just yet. Is Derek Anderson beyond salvaging? Probably, yeah. Mangini made a move for a veteran QB named Brett Favre when he thought he was a QB away from success, and he might do it again. Could McNabb head to the Browns? I don't think it's completely out of the question.
EDIT: As a few others have pointed out, former Eagles GM has just been appointed in Cleveland, and Andy Reid is known for dealing with former Eagle connections. The Browns have some potential trade ammo in Derek Anderson (for a backup role) and Joshua Cribbs. I've updated this scenario. I still don't think McNabb moves this year, but if he does, I think Cleveland or San Francisco are his most likely destinations, with Cleveland slightly more likely.
Trade likeliness: 3/10 UPDATED: 5/10
Most likely to trade for: McNabb
The Oakland Raiders
The Raiders. They got us into the playoffs in 2008 and kept us from winning the division in 2009. Those bastards. Who knows what's up with this team? They beat the Steelers, the Broncos, the Eagles, the Bengals, and the Chiefs. They left JaMarcus Russell as the starting QB for half the season even though he might be the worst QB in the league right now. It's not his fault, though. The Raiders can't hire good coaches because they won't work for Al Davis.
The Raiders have a somewhat respectable defense to work with. They have a reliable tight end in Zach Miller, who has to be considered their best offensive weapon. Darren McFadden hasn't been completely wrecked by the Raiders coaching staff just yet. Their receivers leave something to be desired, though. Who knows where this team is heading or what they will do?
If the Eagles are lucky, the Raiders questions at QB and Al Davis's renowned obsession with speed work to our advantage. I think this is the most likely destination for any Eagles QB. Don't tell Al Davis, but I think the Eagles would let go of Vick for a 4th. They might be able to get a 3rd and a 5th from the Raiders, or maybe even a second. I've seen crazier things out of Oakland.
Trade likeliness: 7/10
Most likely to trade for: Vick
The poor Redskins. Another once proud franchise ruined by an idiot owner. Good for us, but you have to feel a little bad for Redskins fans in recent years. The revolving door at head coach and coaching staff positions has left players with no sense of direction. They fought through a lot of obstacles this year, but still came up short all year, going 0-6 against the NFC East.
A QB that goes to the Redskins inherits a very good defense, but a lot of problems on offense. Their running game has little to nothing going for it. The running back by committee was ineffective. They have young receivers that may blossom in their third year. Chris Cooley is a very good tight end who went down early with an ankle injury. However, the problems all start with the offensive line. A QB who goes here will get hit hard and often.
Would Andy Reid trade a QB to a division rival? Probably not. Who would he pawn off? McNabb? Unthinkable, right? If Dan Snyder's puppet Bruce Allen made a massive offer, Andy Reid would have to consider it. I think it's crazy, trust me. I don't wanna see McNabb in a Redskins jersey at all. I just have a weird feeling it's possible in a bizzaro world. Shanahan never had luck drafting QBs and he might just wanna say screw it and grab a veteran QB at any cost.
Trade likeliness: 0.01/10
Most likely to trade for: McNabb
Alex Smith re-emerged as a possible solution for the 49ers at QB. This is a team that is young and hungry to win. Mike Singletary is no-nonsense and driven to turn this into a winning franchise. They've improved the last two years and have a lot going for them.
On offense, they've got Frank Gore. He's a beast. They have Vernon Davis. He became a beast this year. They have Michael Crabtree. I think he's one pre-season away from being a beast. This team is a solid QB from an explosive offense. This is probably the best team in the league with questions at QB.
So who do they get from us? The price for McNabb might be just right. They have a middle of the pack first round pick, which is right where Andy Reid likes to pick from. That and a 4th might entice the Eagles to part ways with him. There's a chance they want Vick, but I just don't see that happening.
Trade likeliness: 5/10
Most likely to be traded: McNabb
Other possibilities: The Seahawks, the Panthers, the Broncos. Hell, maybe the Cardinals if Kurt Warner retires. Who knows in the NFL, right? I mean the Eagles signed Vick out of nowhere.
What will the Eagles consider?
Keep McNabb and Kolb, trade Vick.
I think this is the most likely scenario. After the loss to the Cowboys, many Eagles fans are disgusted with McNabb. How totally uncharacteristic of Eagles fans.
Andy Reid is the coach of this team, and #5 is probably the QB. Reid and McNabb's careers are forever intertwined. McNabb was Reid's first draft pick and his starting quarterback since midway through McNabb's rookie season. Will he finally cut ties with McNabb? Don't count on it. After the Eagles scored more points than they ever had before, I think Andy Reid is confident in his quarterback and happy with his situation at QB. Kolb is a good backup, and if McNabb's skills do decline, Kolb can step in, temporarily or perhaps permanently. I think McNabb and Kolb are here to stay for 2010, and the Eagles make a decision after that season on what to do.
Trade McNabb and Vick, and name Kolb the starter.
I believe this is the second most likely scenario, but it is a risky one. Andy Reid is confident in Kevin Kolb. Eagles fans should have a bit of faith in him, too. The risk here is that we would go into the season without a proven backup. Maybe we could sign Jeff Garcia, but who's to say he'll even be available? He may stay away from football or sign somewhere else. Other backup QBs will be available. This is certainly a possibility. I'm not sure anyone could fault the Eagles for going in this direction. Sometimes it's just time to cut ties and get what you can from a trade. We'll never know what we have in Kolb if he stays on the bench forever.
Start Vick, trade McNabb and Kolb
lolololololololololololololololol no.
Trade Kolb and Vick, keep McNabb
This I don't see happening. I say this because I don't think anyone will offer what Big Red would want for Kolb (at least a first round pick).
FINAL WORD (THE TL;DR SUMMARY)
I think the Eagles wait another season to decide the fate of McNabb and Kolb. I think Vick is as good as gone to the highest bidder. However, there is the distinct possibility that we go into this season with Kolb as the starter and both McNabb and Vick are gone.
Is there something I didn't cover? Is there another possibility you could see happening? What do you want to happen? Think I'm an idiot? Talk about it here. I put a lot of time into this, so rec it if you think it deserves it. If not, rec something else. Whatev.
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Trade McNabb and Vick.
There are some serious, serious holes on this team. We’re going to need a center, with Jackson getting that ACL tear and not going to be 100% heading into next season. Guards would be nice, assuming Stacy/Shawn/Mr. Who-Gives-A-Fuck Andrews never play again.
We’re going to need a linebacker of a sort, most like a strongside with us already having Witherspoon at WILL and Bradley at MLB (and hopefully he recovers from his own ACL tear). FS, we have Jones and Harris, please shoot me if either one of those two start next season. A DE opposite to Cole is needed to take pressure off of him. And CB might be draft, with number of injuries Sheldon has and that he 30 going on 31.
We need draft picks. Trade some depth (McNabb and Vick) and we can have a who bunch of extra picks.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Pretty strong post.
A word of advice: don’t tell us how hard you worked on something and ask for recs. Good posts will rise to the top, the people on BGN aren’t idiots, and it makes you seem whiny.
Regarding the QB question, I would like to see Kolb have a chance. McNabb is NOT a bad QB, but I think we know what we have in him. It’s time, in my opinion, to see what Kolb really has.
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i don't think he came off as whiny.
he simply said rec it if you like it. yomjomski has been posting since i’ve been here(a year), so i’m not sure that he needs advice one way or another.
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Get rid of mcnabb
I think getting rid of mcnabb is kind of like the cowboys cutting TO. Not saying mcnabb is a cancer but he does hold the offense back.
The point is mcnabb was great because westbrook was great. Now the eagles have 3 great targets in celek mac and djax. You know what mcnabb can and cant do. And one thing he cant do is get rid of the ball quickly and accurately. Mcnabb is set in his ways and its not going to change.
When dallas cut TO all the talk was is how are you going to replace his production. Well thats a main reason why i hear so many eagle fans not wanting to get rid of mcnabb. Even though its still a question if kolb can do it or not i see it making the whole team better because they will all realize they need to step up their game.
Hey i might be way off or there might be some good points here. All i know is cowboy fans sure were glad kolb wasnt playing.
What the French?! Toast!
by thebigham on Jan 10, 2010 5:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
the offense needs to change but it cant because mcnabb cant change
kolb celek mccoy mac djax… thats just scary
What the French?! Toast!
McNabb was great because Westbrook was great????
Last time I checked the majority of his throws went to Torrence Smalls, James Thrash, Freddy Mitchell, Reggie Brown, Donte Stallworth, Na Brown, Billy McMullen, LJ Smith, Darnerian McCants…
For him to be great throwing to those receivers, doesn’t just make him great. It makes him elite.
by ZorkNemesis on Jan 12, 2010 2:43 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I want the QB position to stay exactly the same. I think McNabb can bounce back next year, no matter what the haters say.
I wouldn’t mind Vick coming back. His value could increase, and I actually think he could help us out.
Kolb has some ability, but I’m still not 100% sold on him, because his best game came against KC.
Nevertheless…rec’d.
"Backs in the 'I'...First and 10...McNabb, play action. Is back again. He is looking..he is going deep. He wants DeSean Jackson..who HAS IT!!! HE HAS IT!!! AND STEPPED INTO THE ENDZONE!! He took it away from the defender!! He took it away from Dominique Rogers-Cromarte, and ran into the endzone!!"
by McNabb2Maclin4Philly on Jan 10, 2010 5:54 PM EST reply actions
Vick is gone
if he comes back, we get nothing for him since next year is his last contract year. He would never resign with us, so we would not be able to trade him. I’d rather get a pick for him and address a need.
People are always saying McNabb can "bounce back"
Or get back to what he was in ‘04 or something like that. Maybe he can. I don’t think this team (this offense) is the best situation for him anymore. It just doesn’t seem to be his game. Although, a lot of the blame has to go to the O-line. He was ripping up the Giants this year behind some great protection… Where the f#ck did that all go?
I love McNabb but his inconsistency and that damn “give up face” annoy the hell out of me. I don’t know if I read it on this post or somewhere else, but when he comes out tossing burners into the dirt to start a game, you may as well shut it off. If he isn’t smiling early, it’s like he kind of shuts off.
Long story short: if we want to run a crazy passing offense like Arizona, we need a QB like Warner — effcient and accurate with a quick release. This is not what McNabb does well.
I think Vick is gone too
you can tell by the size of his second-year salary bump.
The Giants secondary is way worse than the Cowboys’
And although there’s an argument to be made for quick release/accurate and that not being McNabb’s strong suit, there are things he does do well that most quarterbacks don’t.
I just think we’re better off with McNabb/Kolb than Kolb/whoever. In 2011, that’s when they’ll turn it over.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I want McNabb gone...
IDC where he goes really.
We need a new center, Jackson wont be ready until mid-late season next year
We have a solid line, I think the andrews sisters surprise us all and actually do something thus making our OL even better.
Vick and Kolb stay next year. Vick stays in his same role with a bit more formations and such(as a real QB) and Kolb starts.
I think we need to be rebuilding our Defense and I think McNabb can make the ultimate sacrafice for philadelphia… ACCEPTING A TRADE.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Rec'd
Good analysis. What do I think will happen? I agree with your two most likely options. I really would like to see us move to Kolb. It’s time. We might be a year away though.
We definitely have some holes to fill. Don’t count on Jackson next year. At all. Bradley is a question mark. They say two years to be all of the way back. We need help on defense.
So a trade would not surprise me. Assuming that Vick is gone, we’ll get more in a trade for McNabb than Kolb.
It will be an interesting off season.
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I agree with a lot of what you said except for one thing
They left JaMarcus Russell as the starting QB for half the season even though he might be the worst QB in the league right now. It’s not his fault, though.
JaMarcus Russel is easily the worst draft bust since Ryan Leaf, and in fact may be even worse than him, which would put him up there as one of the all time most worthless players. If there was an anti-HoF, he would be first ballot.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Andy Reid is the only one who knows
If Andy keeps McNabb I think he’s telling us that Kolb is not the answer.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
Get rid of 5
He’s old, can’t pass in the pocket accurately, and holds onto the ball, slow release, etc.. He can’t make the plays he used to and he’s only getting older — not better.
Everyone says Kolb went against shitty defenses thsi year — FYI McNabbs wins came against all sub 500 teams.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Falcons were a winning team, and the 49ers, the Broncos and the Giants were all .500 teams, so I don’t know what you’re smoking.
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im pretty sure the gigantes had winning records both times we faced them
by alcatraz0109 on Jan 10, 2010 7:23 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, yeah.
First time around, 2-2 Chargers lost to 5-0 Broncos. Then the 6-3 Chargers beat the 6-3 Broncoes.
First time around, the 1-0 Patriots lost to the 1-0 Jets. Second time around, the 6-3 Patriots beat the 4-5 Jets.
Different week means different team.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
OK, so lemme get this straight. You’re implying that the Cowboys win over the 4-1 Falcons is more impressive than the Eagles win over the 6-5 Falcons? Gimme a break, they’re the same goddamned team.
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Uh, yeah.
Dallas played Ryan and Turner. We didn’t.
How are the Falcons the “same team” when they don’t have same QB and running back starting?
Hell, you being an Eagles fan should understands team are not the same week-to-week. We always have to worry about Good McNabby playing or Bad McNabby playing.
People are not machine; they don’t play the same 100% of the time and week to week.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Hell, you might as well call each game a different season then. I’m not sure why they count wins and losses. Whoever wins by the most each week should be that week’s champion.
I mean, what good are tiebreakers such as “division wins”, “conference wins”, and “wins against common opponents” if they don’t mean anything according to you?
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I never said any of that…
I’m saying teams are not same week to week. You gameplan differently every week. You play differently every week. You call different plays every week. You have different players every week.
Patriots without Wes Welker? Bad, bad team. In week 2 against, Tom Brady had a completion percentage of 48.9 and threw 216 yards in a loss against Jets. Patriots with Wes Welker? Good team. In week 11, Tom Brady had a completion percentage of 68.3 and threw 310 yards in a win against the Jets.
Week 2 – No Wes.
Week 11 – With Wes.
There is a difference.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
I didn’t say there wasn’t a difference between teams from week to week. I’m just saying you can’t arbitrarily declare some victories more important than others because you have an incredibly subjective opinion of who and what is important.
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by yomjoseki on Jan 10, 2010 10:36 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Mathematically, that doesn’t work. You can’t divide 0 by 0 unless you’re talking about special relativity. Nice try, though.
Unless you’re talking about their record at the end of the season, in which case I’ll gladly eat my own foot.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
yeah wouldnt eagle fans actuallly want a qb who sits in the pocket and isnt always trying to make the big play every play.. a qb that can dink and dunk a drive down the field.. someone who wont miss on a 3 and 4 crossing route or slant because he cant settle his feet..
idk thats just me.. go ahead sign mcnabb to a 10yr contract pppplllleeeeasssee
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McNabb eliminated three playoff teams in a row.
Wow what a shocker, teams win against teams with losing records. That’s an incredible statistic. What other gems you got. The amount of teams with a plus-.500 SoV year to year can be counted on one hand (the team with the best SoV? Tampa Bay). Teams generally make the playoffs because they take care of business.
Yeah, but they are more likely to go for McNabb
I think they are in win now mode with that awesome defense, Gore and Davis in their primes and Crabtree coming up big late in the season.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Ya for sure... That division is very winnable someone as good as anyone of your WBA could turn them around..
I heard on Nfl net seaTyler might be interested in vick. Idk why Pete Carrol has always recruited more pocket passers who knows
Meh, I think that's just analysts throwing names around
I don’t see Vick going there. I mean, anything’s possible sure but he seems more likely to go to a team that’s desperate like the Raiders or the Browns. Who really knows though?
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
This is an "Elephant in the Room" only to the Eagles FO
We the fans certainly have no qualms about discussing it.
But your 2 most likely scenarios are dead on, with the favorable odds very slanted to scenario #1.
What bout mcnabb to Arizona?
I mean sources say Kurt Warner will retire, I know Ken doesn’t trust leinart and that’s where mcnabb trains in the offseason.. That would just be scary if he went there
by bclancy15 on Jan 10, 2010 10:09 PM EST via mobile reply actions
lol we wouldnt have to worry about there passing attack..
McNabb cant throw the ball accurately.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
It would be scary
Just imagine him having a legit running game and opening up the passing attack. If he went there that would be a scary offense
by bclancy15 on Jan 10, 2010 11:30 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
well
he actually had 3,553 yards this year. That makes him #17 in the league in yards this year. Admittedly, if he had not missed two games he could have easily been in the area of #10 in the league. He was 10 in the league in yards/game. 13 in TDs. that’s good, but I wouldn’t go around telling people to “smoke it” cause it’s not THAT good.
I dont give a shit...
Put his completions to incompletions up there…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
people get this through your heads this isn't madden
we can not trade vick for god’s sake just stop.
Why can’t we?
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
first we’d have to exercise the team option which we haven’t yet so for right know he’s right.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
I was working under the assumption we do pick up his option
Did you hear Reid’s press conference today? The only people he actually sounded enthusiastic about were Vick and Kolb. Considering he has one of the most stoic press-conference personalities I’ve ever seen, I’d say that makes it considerably more likely that he ends up here next year either to play or to get traded.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
you don’t just pick up his option to trade him thats partly the point of the option. goodell wouldn’t let someone pick vick up just to use him as trade bait and i know that was explained to reid. he’s not a baseball card
by ieatcrayons on Jan 11, 2010 10:50 PM EST up reply actions
Uh, how about this. You provide some proof that trading Vick isn’t an option. In the meantime, I’ll provide you with some proof that trading Vick is an option.
http://espn.go.com/blog/nfceast/post/_/id/9860/video-eagles-offseason-plans
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Why not just trade all three?
Might as well. We’re not happy with McNabb because he is getting older and hasn’t gotten us a Super Bowl Championship. Kolb hasn’t proven anything but we know he is talented at throwing interceptions. Vick really isn’t the Vick of old and I don’t think anybody expects him to be back…period. Lets start from scratch…
Of course, I’m being sarcastic…before someone tries to suddenly argue with me. Keeping McNabb is the best possibility for the team. You may say he hasn’t won a Super Bowl for us but neither has any of our other QBs and any other player we’d put in there probably wouldn’t get us one next year.
Dont get on Kolbs back for those INTs...
We saw how well he did when he had a week to practice with the first team offense…
And that one week against the Chiefs has SOO much reliability for showing how Kolb could do in the long run. Sure Sure…
Of course that crafty veteran McNabb really showed up against Oakland and lit the place up.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
Hey...
Maybe Kolb and McNabb are exactly the same…human-dissapointment machines…get your hopes up and crush them when it counts. We just don’t know anything and we don’t really get the chance to scout them indepthly in practice or anything…
Maybe… but McNabb is a known commodity, Kolb has upside potential.
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McNabb has reliability as he has proven before that he can win games, take us to the playoffs, and even take us to the Super Bowl. Kolb can’t really say the same and has proven nothing. I’d rather go with someone who hasn’t proven they can win consistantly and get us there!
Yeah.
Let’s go with the 33 going on 34 year old QB who career is now going to be on the decline!
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Yes...
Because Kurt Warner and Brett Favre have declined so much….they’re practically decaying on the field and could never take a team to the playoffs let alone the Super Bowl…
Kurt Warner didn’t start playing football until he was 29. This is Warner’s 12 season – same as McNabb. Oh, and Warner is thinking of retirement after the playoffs.
And Favre? He has friggen Adrian Peterson behind him. Everyone takes focus off of Favre and onto Peterson – Favre has big year. When everyone focuses on Favre and not Thomas Jones, Favre has a shitty year. Mmhmm. Rocking.
And comparing McNabb to Favre or Warner is a complete joke.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Because old QB who play well from mid-thirty onward are exception, not the rule.
Matt Hasselbeck – 2007 was his last good season. He was 32 then. He was 33 in 2008 – crap season. This past season, he was 34 – crap season
Marc Bulger – currently 32 years old, been crap last three season, despite being a top-5 QB from 2003-2006.
Steve McNair – last good season was in 2003, when he was 31. 2004-2007, mediocre (at best) seasons.
Ron Jaworski – Last good season was 1981 season, when he was 30 years old.
Etc.
And just to point out what happen when you run on a QB who is past his prime, Ron Jaworski has a win/loss/tie record from ’82-86 of 22/36/1.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
No
Tom Brady- 32 years old
Peyton Manning- 33 years old
Brett Favre- 187 years old
Kurt Warner- 38 years old
Also you do realize that Hasselbeck and Bulger have declined at the same time as their blindside protectors (Walter Jones and Orlando Pace) did?
I talk about Favre and Warner up a couple comments.
Peyton Manning and Tom Brady fall under that “exception to the rule” list. They’re both guys with unreal work ethic, alas Jerry Rice And how McNabb is even comaprable to either of those two is beyond me…
And please don’t tell me you’re trying to say one guy going downhill = a QB career is over.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
It was the whole line
Seattle and St. Louis saw their offensive lines crumble and their receivers age
Also I really don’t get your “Warner didn’t start until 29” argument. Why does that make a difference? 38 years old is 38 years old. It’s not like a running back where the QB is taking constant hits.
My grandfather didn’t start playing tennis until he was 60. Does that mean he should keep playing when he’s 90 because most people play for more than 30 years?
Warner and Favre both won Super Bowls. McNabb just puked in one.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
Honestly
Let’s stop with the puke jokes. TO was the one who said McNabb threw up. McNabb threw three picks but also three 3 TD’s and completed 30 of 51 passes (hmm run the ball much Andy?) for 357 yards (7 yards an attempt). And one pick was off LJ’s hands.
And Kevin "Pick 6" Kolb really showed that he can complete a high percentage of passes...
…to Ed Reed…
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Im a huge McNabb fan but i think his time here is over
Im willing to give Kolb a shot at starting but i can see it blowing up into a huge media clusterfuck if #5 gets traded away. I also wonder if Kolb can get this team under him and have his back through it all. Whoever gets the QB job after #5 will have a lot riding on him so he needs to be ready mentally. I still think Vick was a project and he will be here for next year…..BUT i think he will be traded in the beginning of the season when a teams starter goes down.
In the back of my head i would like to see Vick start and let him carry this team and see how he does.
Dump McNabb
He’s a great talent, but he has a ten cent head. Watching him do that stupid little pre-game dance in the tunnel, sealed the deal for me. You’d never see the likes of Montana, Elway, Marino, P Manning, Brady, or any of the other “great ones” pull that crap. Start Kolb, use Vick as a novelty for one more year, and draft an mid-round back up.
D-Mac won’t get any better, the learning curve is over. Get what we can for him, and move on. Let the young bucks grow up together.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
That's the key
He isn’t going to get any better. He’s intermittently great, but comes up small at inopportune, yet predictable, times. This type of greatness is best contributed to other teams who’ve not had their 10 year fill of it.
Yeah yeah we get it
You don’t like McNabb because he’s black. See I do the reading between the lines FOR you guys.
It was stupid as hell for him to say that on Bryant Gumble HBO Show before 2007 season and it is still stupid as hell to say that now. Nobody here dislike McNabb because he’s black; it’s because he is not the right QB for this system, he’s 33 going on 34, his best QB rating against the Cowboys this year was 74.2 and the other two Dallas game his rating was in the sub-70’s, and it’s simply time to move on with the franchise.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
Why is it so hard to believe
that Dallas was just better than us/had us figured out?
It’s impossible to convince me that switching from McNabb to Kolb would help us not give up 20+ points and nearly 300 yards in both first halves vs. Dallas.
The D could have kept us in the game even if the offense was struggling, and we could have tried to establish the run … Reidhinweg (or MorhinReid) tends to shy away from the run when we fall behind, and in both of those games we were desperately behind and more or less finished from the start.
You don’t even have to go back a full year to find a game where McNabb can be off to a horrible start and have a great second half to give us the lead. So I attribute the failures against Dallas to be mostly the product of … (y’all might wanna sit down for this) … Dallas being good.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Also
What was said on NFL Network the other day was very relevant to this discussion. The Eagles defense was not even remotely close to what it was a year ago. The only reason that the Eagles were able to put games away was because of Donovan McNabb and the offense scoring so many points that opposing offenses had to change their gameplan, which played right into the aggressive defensive tendencies of McDermott.
The Cowboys said, no, we’re not going to let you dictate to us how we’re going to play this game, we’re going to dictate to YOU. And they DID. Two weeks in a row they gashed the Eagles defense right from the start and put the team in an impossible situation. BOTH TIMES. This isn’t a “the offense sucked so the defense got tired” situation, the defense literally was completely worthless. Go back to a year ago, or two years ago, when the Eagles defense shut the Cowboys down completely. Not just 44-7, how about 10-7 in 2007, when Westbrook slid at the 1? Where’s that defense gone to? It’s just not the same.
You're overestimating McNabb's value
The price for McNabb might be just right. They have a middle of the pack first round pick, which is right where Andy Reid likes to pick from. That and a 4th might entice the Eagles to part ways with him.
I don’t think the 49ers or anyone else would give up a mid-first-round pick for McNabb at this point, given his age and his performance in the last couple of games.
Elephants are fat.
Andy Reid is fat.
Ergo: Andy Reid is the elephant in the room.
Let’s talk about him. And then fire him.
...But if he pulls the rug on his quarterback, Reid must do it knowing that he let McNabb down more than McNabb ever let him down.
Phil Sheridan--Philadelphia Inquirer
Nah
WInningest coach in Eagles history with a contract extension under his (admittedly large) belt. He’s not going anywhere. Besides, elephants can’t jump. Reid showed us earlier in the year that his vertical is at least 1/4 inch.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
i was thinking about the McNabb situation last night
and i think he should stay. He has the skills and intelligence to win us a superbowl. Imagine what we could have done with the Andrews brothers healthy, Big Stew back, healthy brown, healthy Westbrook, and Curtis back to himself. I know this is hard to say with how things worked out but we made a great run with what we had. Our Oline was completly in pieces which im sure will be fixed this offseason. The LBs were being shuffled around so much we really couldnt get a good evaluation on the player in the position. If it wasnt for #5 we wouldnt have been able to get as far as we did with the problems we had. Kolb i think will be good, but why trade away a player like McNabb anytime soon? Our team is so promising with the young WRs we have and Shady back there. Im also excited to see if Ingram is capable of playing the way we thought he would. Sorry if this is just a bunch of rambling words, i had to get them out before i lost it.
Trade Mcnabb have a training camp open competition between Kolb and Vick
I think they’ll trade Vick, but this option is #2 on my list.

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