Macho Harris beats out Quintin Demps for Eagles starting free safety job
Today it was all but confirmed that rookie Victor "Macho" Harris has beaten out second year man Quintin Demps for the Eagles starting free safety job. While it hasn't yet been officially announced, Harris was practicing with the first team and Quintin Demps basically confirmed the news when he spoke after practice.
"I'm disappointed in myself," Demps said. "I just have to come out and be ready to play my role. I'm on special teams and we're still competing. I'm going to come in and compete every day. I have to help Macho out as much as I can and be humble about it," Demps said. "It's the National Football League. I had an opportunity, I didn't take advantage of it and I have to take it for what it is."
Demps acknowledged that his comments from last week may have also contributed to his demotion.
"You gotta watch what you say," said Demps. "You can't let frustrations get to you. You have to learn from your mistakes and move on."
He also admitted that he hadn't played with enough consistency throughout the preseason and credited Harris for playing "like he had nothing to lose." I do have to credit Demps for handling his demotion with a lot more professionalism and class than he handled things last week.
"We're all men. We all could tell that I wasn't being consistent enough," Demps said. "There's no sugarcoating it in the NFL. It is what it is. We're still competing. It's still a competition. I just have to go in there and compete everyday. Keep it moving."
Harris was a cornerback at Virgina Tech last year, but obviously has made the transition to safety in the NFL rather well so far. That said, he's still clearly a work in progress and will be a guy to keep a close eye on. If he continues to work as hard as he did in preseason and play with the same intensity, there's every reason to believe he'll be a good safety in this league.
Macho Harris reacted to the news via his twitter,
I'm def living my dream! and I'm blessed to be playing a childs game for a kings ransom!... that's a quote from Sean Taylor btw! One of my Favorite Players of all time!
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F*** Demps
Harris is our future (or at least better than Demps)
by macjack09 on Sep 7, 2009 8:22 PM EDT via mobile reply actions 0 recs
Wow.
I’m stunned. I’m on record here at BGN as loving the Macho Harris pick, but I also thought they’d start Sean Jones at SS and move Mikell to FS before they did anything crazy like start a rookie at free safety.
Does this mean Jones can’t play?
Would not be surprised to see Demps some anyway … I doubt this is the end of him.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Sep 7, 2009 8:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean Jones can’t play?
I guess so. Surprising. Very surprising. I hope it turns out to be more of a 3 man rotation in at safety.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Sep 7, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Does this mean Jones can’t play?
he didn’t play well at all in preseason games. maybe he’s having a hard time adjusting to a new team, but he dimply wasn’t that good.
i am stoked about this though. i think he’ll do a great job. he’s smart, passionate, and a hard hitter. he reminds me a little of our last free safety.
by awd777 on Sep 7, 2009 8:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont know if it's that jones can't play
or if it’s that the eagles don’t feel comfortable moving mikell to the free spot. i haven’t seen him take a snap there all pre season or even in training camp. and jones is most definately not a fs.
by Q27 on Sep 7, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have realized
There are 60 comments on this topic under the fanpost:
Dempsappointment (updated) – Macho Harris is Week 1 Starting FS
But anyway :)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Sep 7, 2009 8:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Two Possible Explanations Here:
1. This is a straightforward move by the coaching staff. Macho Harris has worked hard to earn the spot, and currently shows the best grasp of the position. Our coaches view Macho as the long term future at the FS position.
or….
2. This is a last resort move by the coaching staff. While they truly do like what they see from Macho, they are not yet secure with putting a rookie on the field for the entire season. This is a gamble that putting a rookie on the field will light a fire under the collective asses of Sean Jones and Quintin
Demps, allowing one of them to steal back the position.
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I personally hope that #1 is the correct explanation. Maybe it’s simple. Maybe Macho just really is that good. I hope we have a real stud on our hands, and it’s possible that we do – he was no slouch in the preseason. Again, it’s not like he was a legend on the field these last few weeks, but he seemed formidable.
As for option #2, my theory is that Harris is the lesser of 3 evils in the coaches eyes. Again, while Macho has shown promise – he is not without his fair share of drawbacks. Maybe the coaches are so displeased with Demps and Jones, that they have to cut their losses and go with the rookie, even though they aren’t happy with their options overall.
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by southjersey89 on Sep 7, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I thought about the motivational ploy too ...
… that happened to me once, though, in college they put this guy who I thought sucked ahead of me with 1 week to go before the season. I thought they were trying to motivate me, but he ended up starting the whole year.
Whether it is or isn’t a ploy, I like how Demps is responding a lot better than how I did:
PHILADELPHIA — The Philadelphia Eagles are turning to a rookie to replace Brian Dawkins.
Victor ‘Macho’ Harris took snaps with the first-team defense Monday, a strong indication he’s beaten out second-year pro Quintin Demps for the starting spot at free safety.
“I had an opportunity and I didn’t capitalize on it,” Demps said after a closed practice. “That’s competition. That’s what happens.”
Demps was considered the favorite for the job after Dawkins, a perennial Pro Bowl pick during 13 seasons in Philadelphia, signed with Denver in free agency. He entered training camp competing with veteran Sean Jones, a former starter with Cleveland. But Harris made the biggest impression on new defensive coordinator Sean McDermott.
A fifth-round draft pick out of Virginia Tech, Harris played cornerback and also saw action as a returner and wide receiver during his four seasons with the Hokies. He had 15 interceptions in 40 starts, returning four of those picks for touchdowns.
“He just had that hunger,” Demps said. “When you first come in, like I came in last year, you have nothing to lose. My second year, I felt like I had a lot to lose, so I was playing not to lose instead of to win.”
Demps, a fourth-round pick last season, played primarily on special teams as a rookie and worked his way on the field in the secondary late in the season. He worked with the starters throughout the preseason.
“We’re all men. There ain’t no sugarcoating it,” Demps said. “It is what it is.”
Demps will serve as the gunner on special teams and could be the backup kick returner. He averaged 25.3 yards on 52 kickoff returns last season, including a 100-yard TD against Baltimore. But Ellis Hobbs will be handling those duties this year.
“If I didn’t start (at safety), I wanted to return kicks,” he said. “I’m just going to come to work, pin my ears back and play football.”
The Eagles also will have a new middle linebacker this season after losing Stewart Bradley to a knee injury early in training camp. Omar Gaither, a former starter, beat out Joe Mays for that job.
Regardless of what you think about Demps’ previous comments, you’ve got to find some solace in those.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Sep 7, 2009 9:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On the kick return thing though ...
… the Eagles traditionally use two, no? So isn’t there room for Hobbs and Demps, if the Eagles so choose?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Sep 7, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congratz to Macho
at least Demps was honest and humble this time around. Demps may need a little more seasoning. It took B Dawk sometime before he became a future hall of famer and dawk probably got frustrated at times when he first became a pro. so if we are going to hate on demps for what he said a few weeks ago then lets give him props when he is honest and humble about his shortcomings. I believe Demps will learn from this and continue to learn to be a better player. Congratz Macho but i’m a little more concerned for our secondary now.
MpS
by NorthJerseyPhillyEagle on Sep 7, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I still like Demps. I can see him coming back next season with a chip on his shoulder, working really hard, and pushing for a SS spot after Mikell leaves.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
where’s mikell going?
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
by Igglesfan13 on Sep 8, 2009 3:14 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Unless the Eagles lock him up, you know he’s going to want more money. He deserves it. Just wait and see, even the best team player needs a monetary kick back for all of his efforts.
He’s a UFA after this season if I’m not mistaken. Just you watch and see if the Eagles pay him or let another team do it.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 9:17 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m sure that Mikell is a player the Eagles will reward.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 8, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Depends on how well he plays this season. He gets a first team Pro Bowl position you can wave him goodbye, he’ll want more than the Eagles will offer for a safety. And I can’t blame him.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 9:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That's not what the Eagles do, IronHank...
The Eagles don’t let players in their prime walk away very easily. The laundry list of guys they’ve let walk in the past were all old or in decline… Tra Thomas, Jon Runyan, Brian Dawkins, Hugh Douglas, Jeremiah Trotter, Duce Staley, Troy Vincent, Bobby Taylor, etc, etc…
Mikell is only 28 and actually has less mileage on him because he’s only been the full-time starter for 2 years. Plus, he’s a home-grown undrafted free agent and a leader on a very young D. Based on the Eagles’ history, he’s the epitome of a guy they’ll look to reward.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 8, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I am not suggesting that he will be let go the same way the others were. On the contrary, I suspect they will offer him a nice little package. Unless they do it before the end of the season, however, it’s gonna be a lot harder to keep him around. The next contract Q gets will be the biggest he’ll ever get, and it wouldn’t surprise me if he went to free agency just to see what else was out there. And why shouldn’t he?
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bye, Dawk is correct on Mikell the epitome of a guy they’ll look to reward, but what I suppose concerns me a bit is that they have waited so long.
As soon as a young player shows promise, the Eagles are usually quick to lock up a good player long term, usually when they still have a few years left on their rookie contract. They never let them get even close to free agency, thus allowing the Eagles to lock them up long term without having to pay through the roof. The benefit to the player is immediate financial security, as waiting years until free agency in hopes of a few more bucks is a risky move in a sport like pro football.
Sometimes the tactic backfires on the Eagles (see Brown, Reggie), but it has been a solid tactic overall. Given their history, I would have assumed they would have locked up Mikell last season.
by captain nodar on Sep 8, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hey, if they do with Mikell what they did with Westbrook (that is overpay a guy that has been until that point playing far above his paygrade as a compensation for his effort) then I’d applaud the move and be extremely excited. I just wish they would have done it already and DEFINITELY don’t want to see them wait until the offseason before they restructure his deal.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Did you mean Jones will be leaving? Demps is a FS not SS.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Sep 8, 2009 3:23 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions 0 recs
Safeties in the Eagles system share a lot of responsibility. Demps is still young, he can learn both.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 9:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Safeties in the Eagles system share a lot of responsibility
When Dawkins was here … I don’t think you’ll see the same roles.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Sep 8, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sounds like the told him something like “We think you should be better than Harris at this point, but you have not shown it, etc. etc. The position is yours to take if you step up etc. etc.”
So it may all end up being an ironically great moment for Demps career if he responds to it well.
by Whack8888 on Sep 8, 2009 1:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah I can definitly see this as Reids way of
Lighting a fire under Demp’s ass. Similar to McNabb, some people need that to produce
RIP JJ
by MeanGreen5 on Sep 8, 2009 8:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats Macho anyhow
cool name to boot
RIP JJ
by MeanGreen5 on Sep 8, 2009 8:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have trouble
believing that Harris is going to get the majority of the minutes. I think we’ll see Jones Demps and Harris all used situationally . Maybe one of the three will emerge as the better player as the season progresses. This may even be a ploy to light a fire under Jones and Demps. I mean it’s not like Andy to just throw a fifth round draft pick out there on opening day. I agree that Harris has shown he is a good tackler and a hard hitter, but he did most of that against second and third team offenses that weren’t running any complicated schemes. And I don’t remember seeing too much of him in coverage.
by MJW on Sep 8, 2009 10:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And I don’t remember seeing too much of him in coverage.
Maybe thats the point. Hopefully that is an indication that he has been solid in coverage and the opposing team’s QB hasn’t felt safe throwing in his direction.
At least that’s what I hope happened.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm more worried about that MLB position than Macho. I though he looked good.
At least better than Demps.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 8, 2009 11:18 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed 100%
Big Stew was an enormous loss.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by Bye, Dawk :( on Sep 8, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We will find out...
If last years run defense was anchored by Stew or by those DT’s. Hopefully it was the DT’s. 2 seasons ago Gaither started at MLB, heput up good stats but the D was horrific vs the run:( Hopefully he was not one of the problems.
by Regal Eagle on Sep 8, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Football Outsiders actually has Gaither as better against the run. You can’t learn everything from statistics, obviously, but maybe the drop off from Bradley to Gaither isn’t as steep as we think.
Um-MMM, this Kool-Aid is damn sure delicious.
by Tracer Bullet on Sep 8, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If I recall, wasn’t the year Gaither was the MLB also the year that Bunkley had what could, charitably, be described as a slow season? I seem to remember Patterson being the starter and doing okay but whoever was there with him was just a rotating band of crap.
by TransplantedFan on Sep 8, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t remember who started . But I do know Football outsiders have never made a successful GM move.
by Regal Eagle on Sep 8, 2009 3:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think...
This is pretty exciting. Last year towards the end Demps was stealing time from Dawks. So they must of thought pretty high of him and his future. They brought in Sean Jones who has the most INT in the NFL since his inception to the league besides Ed Reed and someone who I cant recall right now. Now a rookie has beat both of them out.
To me the kid seems like a FB player. By that I mean his athleticism doesn’t measure as well Demps and Jones. But he has the instincts to get him to the ball and perform better once he is there. Its way too early to crown him a great player. But I would say he has performed his first great feat. This is very encouraging!!
by Regal Eagle on Sep 8, 2009 11:50 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think Jones was ever meant to be a FS for us. Jim Johnson himself said that he felt that Jones was a SS, not a FS. It was during the OTA’s, when he had his part of the press conference (I believe it was his last). We’ll see how it plays out during the season, but I’ll side with Jim on this one.
by BreckBirds20 on Sep 8, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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