Dempsappointment (updated) - Macho Harris is Week 1 Starting FS
by JimmyK on Sep 7, 2009 9:22 AM EDT
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Evidently, it's official - Macho Harris is our Week 1 starting FS. (Hat tip to Smitty2K3's Fanshot). This is either really good news, or really, really disturbing news. The FS position has obviously been talked about in great depth, and this is an unexpected twist. So let's take a look at what has happened, and maybe open up an old wound...
CHAPTER ONE - THE GHOST OF B DAWK
Sorry, any Eagles post about our FS position by law must make referrence to you know who...
I know, I know... He's losing a step, can't cover anymore, big liability in pass coverage, 36 years old, and there's always the "The Ghosts of Free Agency Past" that the Eagles turned out to be right in letting walk (Hugh Douglas, Duce Staley, Jeremiah Trotter, and well, we all know the list)... and whatever other arguments I'm missing that we've talked ourselves into believing since he bolted to Denver.
This one is different than the Trotters and Staleys, though. For one, Dawkins can still play. Anyone know who was the NFC Defensive Player of the Month in December last year? Dawkins. Who was the unquestioned heart and leader of this team (and note I said "team," not defense)? Dawkins. Who would I personally like to see still lining up in our defensive backfield? Well, let's just say it's not a rookie we drafted in the 5th round, no matter how "impressive" he may be.
The one thing that I felt didn't get enough mention after his departure was... Why wouldn't they franchise him? For a safety, the average of the top 5 salaries in the NFL was $5 mil and change. If we franchise him, it gives Demps another year to develop (and at the same time still get on the field to relieve Dawkins on obvious passing downs), and then maybe we re-evaluate Dawkins' situation after next year. At $5 mil and change, are we overpaying him a little? Yeah, probably. But who cares? I can almost guarantee that at no point during this upcoming season the Eagles will never have less than $6 mil in cap room. Did they consider franchising him? I'd have to imagine they did, but I'm guessing they felt the market for his services wouldn't be very high, and they rolled the dice and took their chances in free agency. The problem, however, is that there are a lot of stupid teams out there, and Denver made an offer that would be dumb to match. I heard Joe Banner say on the Mike Missanelli show that they didn't want to franchise Dawkins because they were confident he would re-sign, and added that players don't like the franchise tag. I'm not sure I quite buy that Banner was worried about upsetting Dawkins by tagging him, but that's just me - They gambled they could get him on the cheap, lost, and now we may have a rookie starting FS entering a season that has a ton of promise. On the whole, the Eagles do an exceptional job managing the cap, but this is the downside of trying to get too cute with it.
CHAPTER TWO - WHAT'S YOUR PROBLEM, QUINTIN?
Come on, Quintin. Wake up, kid. We saw a lot of good things out of our 4th round pick last year, and I was excited by the added speed and youth he could bring to our defense. We also saw the dark dumb side, too (late hit on Kurt Warner in the NFC Championship Game, anyone?). And then this...
"It’s getting kind of irritating, man," Demps said. "It’s too close to not have a starter already. I just feel like we should already have a starter. I don’t know how to explain it, but it’s getting irritating."
And this...
"Right now, I’m the starting free safety, but there are so many games being played that it’s getting irritating," Demps said.
And finally, this...
"If I had known it was going to be like this, this late, I would have probably worked extra. It’s kind of been a carousel for me, but I’m just going to go out this last game hopefully and just open some eyes and put it in cement that I’m the starter."
Demps has to learn really quickly that nothing is just going to be handed to him. He's 24 and immature, and as JasonB noted when these comments initially came out, it appears Demps just isn't "getting it." So who is Quintin Demps? For the time being, he's an early disappointment. He won't be starting Week 1, and I think the team would be better served in the long run to have the young Demps watch somebody else run out of the tunnel for a few weeks.
UPDATE on Demps' reaction to Macho running with the first team. It's encouraging (and maybe a bit of a wakeup call)...
"I have to help Macho out as much as I can and be humble about it," Demps said. "It's the National Football League. I had an opportunity, I didn't take advantage of it and I have to take it for what it is."
CHAPTER THREE - WHO ARE YOU, SEAN JONES?
Over the past 3 years, there are a grand total of TWO NFL safeties that have more interceptions than Sean Jones... The amazing Ed Reed, and Oshiomogho Atogwe. That's it - Not Troy Polamalu, not Bob Sanders, not Brian Dawkins. So what gives? With Quintin Demps' incredibly self-serving, immature comments, why is it that Sean Jones hasn't been named the starter yet? The Eagles must see some significant flaws in his game to have not given Jones the job. I'll be watching.
CHAPTER FOUR - THE MACHO MAN
I'll keep this chapter short and sweet - I liked the draft pick, I like the playmaking ability, I liked what I saw in the preseason, I like the attitude, and the guy looks like he loves to play football. And on a stupid note, I'm giddy about the possibility of singing "MA-CHO MA-CHO MA-CHO MAAAAAAAAN... I'VE GOT TO BE... A MACHOOOOO MAN!!!" after every big Macho Harris play.
But the question remains... For team with a realistic chance to represent the NFC in the Super Bowl - Is he ready?
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This is an enigma about Sean Jones, as you say he’s a proven playmaker and I was excited when they signed him.
I was too. Here’s a guy that can perform well in place of Dawkins and give Demps another year to develop (because it’s becoming pretty clear that Demps needs it). I’m thinking we’ll see all three players play extensively at safety for the first couple of weeks until someone can step up enough to solidify the starter position.
Also, love the title of this article.
Sean Jones..Where are you??
I know. Where are you Sean Jones and why aren’t you the starter yet or better yet, why haven’t we heard anything notable about you this entire preseason. Seems kind of strange to me that they’d rather have a rookie out there in week 1 rather than a proven player (even though he was on the browns).
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Sep 7, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
As long
As demps isn’t the starter, I’m cool. Demps has shown me nothing but a cocky attitude and childish whinning. If he really thinks he should be the starter, then he should have done something to separate himself from the pack. Sean Jones has been a little of a disappointment but he’s changing defenses and is trying a new position so I can’t blame him so much. But I like Harris’ attitude and I thought he was going to be a future starter anyways so I’m not mad about it. Whether Jones or Harris I’m cool with. Not Demps.
by macjack09 on Sep 7, 2009 10:37 AM EDT via mobile reply actions
thank you
I DO NOT want demps starting. I was happy as can be when we signed jones. I thought for sure he was gonna be our starter. I was shocked to hear harris would start, but its WAY better then Demps. I dont know bout anyone else, but i want a hitter at safety. Someone that “reminds” me of dawk, but of course no one will replace him. A hard hittin safety is that could catch is what i thought we had in jones, but ill take MACHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Sep 7, 2009 3:41 PM EDT up reply actions
agree with you both
we all know macho can hit, but he does have decent cover skills, which will be displayed coverin the top playin FS. i like this a lot, but i think he should also be sharing the snaps too (maybe 60-40 or so)
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
Greenbean
you need to join the fantasy league ASAP!!!! Draft for BGNFL2 is tonight and you are one of not signed up fully
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Sep 8, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions
you are in the 1st league
draft for that is tomorrow at 9
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Sep 8, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions
bgn2
sorry man, didnt get that till now..just went and read your “by 6pm” message…..
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Sep 8, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions
sorry dude
i dont know how you were able to add an avitar without fully joining, but it was screaming at me the draft couldnt go down till you and okie joined
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Sep 11, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions
Let go of the the Dawk
You’ll see this year why Dawk is no longer in our defensive backfield. While he can still lay the wood, he has been an increasingly bigger liability, on passing downs, over the last 3 years. I could put together a 3 hour highlight reel of Dawkins coming in on the hit AFTER the receiver is already wrapped up. Love the guy, but he’s toast, and toast is the last thing you want in your defensive backfield.
Personally, I’d like to see a platoon of Macho and Jones and Demps can go join Freddie Mitchell in the penis pill pimping business.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
Missed the point
If they had someone who could play the position better than BD then that would be 1 thing but they didnt. I was using this as an example .The point that Im trying to make that they should be putting the best possible talent on the field and as long as they have the money to do so then do it . Its this Banner – Lurie idea of having to get maximum value out of every dollar spent that is one of the reasons they get close but never win the ring.
by TIRED OF WAITING on Sep 7, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions
Got the point
I think a Macho/Jones tandem will be more productive than Dawk AT THIS STAGE OF HIS CAREER. JJ did an awesome job of covering for his diminished cover ability over the years, but those legs are another year older and another step slower. You’ll see this year. I predict that this will be BD’s last.
I think he was smart to get that last big contract, but I think the Eagle’s FO was smarter for not being the one who gave it to him.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
I lvoed Macho Harris at VTech
He’s a great CB/Safety and he was prolly the best return man in the ACC. If he can make that jump from college play to NFL he has the potential to be amazing
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Sep 7, 2009 11:21 AM EDT reply actions
here's the only problem i see with jones
the guy is a STRONG safety. the only way he starts is if the eagles move Q to free safety, which personally, i kind of expected. but all through the preseason, and even while i was at training camp, i havent seen mikell at the free spot once. (come to think of it, same with jones) looking at their styles of play, mikell seems more like the interchangeable type. i would rather see jones starting, but at the strong spot and mikell starting at the free spot. im not a big fan of demps. I have been very hopeful for his development but with everything hes been saying, and everything he hasn’t been doing…
heres a flash back from your boy MGEM day after the draft
Macho Harris…WTF happened there ? he SHOULD of been a first two round pick..WTF ? 15 int’s in 3 years 22 pass break ups…hits like an animal ? no way he should of slipped out of the second round….he will become a starter by the end of year two and a fan favorite…I watched this fool every week and he has the moxy/swagger and talent that will drive us wild…please dont sign him to a 45 year/$40 million contract eagles …he is gonna be a star barring injury…we cant take a holdout in 2013…
So listen when Mgem speaks.
MA-CHO MA-CHO MAAAAAAAN
Damn you Bye, Dawk – its stuck in my head now!
They had the encore of Preseason Game 4 on last night, and i watched it before I had to go black out at the bar. Macho Man looked pretty serious – granted its against backups, but i seriously would not want that guy on field if I was a quarterback. Then again, I still feel bad that a player like Amendola can’t make the team, cause it seems like the guys that try the hardest, never make it over paycheck players. Oh well…
EXPERIENCE
For now i think the smartest thing to do would be let Sean Jones start week 1 and keep the seat warm for the Macho Man, ill take experience over talent at this point. As for Demps…….i dont know where to start with this guy. To say he has been a great disappointment for me would be a understatment. Obviously Andy and the D had high hopes for him if he was on the field in the NFCCG. Who knows maybe its just gonna take a little longer for demps to " GET IT". BUT for now im cool with letting Sean Jones start week 1.
Well.............
i dont know wat to take away from Macho playing the first team D in practice but im smart enuff to read between the lines. I guess Macho has a good chance to start week 1. I just hope this doesnt come back to bite us in the ass, also its gonna alienate demps from the team and fuk him up in the head even more then he already is. Most guys would use this as a motivational tool but with demps its just gonna make him more hard-headed. Im really hoping hes not gonna turn into another problem child.
Who cares
May the best man play… Demps showed NOTHING in the preseason. He did not win the job. Macho Harris might be a rookie but he flat out looked like the better player in the preseason.
I’d much rather still have #20 starting, but at this point (6 days until Game 1) I’m moving on and looking at our options. And right now, to me, it looks like Macho is the best option.
Victor "Macho" Harris
Was named the starter at FS. And Demps is whinning about it. Worst part is Demps won’t even start on special teams. Should have worked harder Demps. If you couldn’t beat rookie Macho Harris, what do you think Ed Reed wouldve done to you? We wouldn’t even remember your name.
by macjack09 on Sep 7, 2009 2:27 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
HARRIIS DID WIN THE JOB BY DEFAULT......
BUT mark my words……………..Sean Jones will be starting by week5
No he won't...
If Macho fails they will go back to Demps, Jones is a strong safety and we happen to have a pretty good one already.
fightlockdown.com
split the time 60/40 or so with demps
and let them improve and feed off each other
in the end, i still think its macho’s job but we have 2 playmaking FSs
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
if all else fails...
it’ll be SS-Jones FS-Mikell
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Sep 8, 2009 7:03 PM EDT up reply actions
no matter what
we have options, and im ok with that
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
by BadCo'09 on Sep 8, 2009 7:08 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Sean Jones
I’ve wanted Sean to be the starting FS all preseason, but he (and Demps, for that matter) made too many mistakes and didn’t show enough playmaking ability to earn the starting spot.
I think Macho showed a lot of potential in the preseason, but obviously still has a long way to go. Hopefully he steps up and does an admirable job.
I still can’t believe there’s only 6 days until Week 1… this might be the longest week of my life.
BTW
Interesting nugget I heard on WIP:
The last rookie to start on opening day was Corey Simon, 6 years ago.
Bye, Dawk
Excellent post, man. As to why Sean Jones didn’t win the job, I’ll probably never know. Anyone see anything terrible from him during the preseason games? I know Demps was pretty sub-par during the games.
As for Macho, well, you summed it up pretty well: he LOVES playing football. The guy’s in on every tackle, even if it’s nowhere near him.
With that said, he’s a rookie. I really hope this is a positive move that’ll help the team.
The unofficial word on why Sean Jones has not made a push for the starting job is that he is having a tough time grasping our elaborate defensive schemes, as opposed to the schemes of the Cleveland Browns. I would assume his attitude, work ethic, and athletic ability are all there, it’s just that he needs more time to really hunker down into our playbook.
As an answer to the poll question, I would say I am most comfortable with Demps starting for week 1, but as soon as Sean Jones is caught up to speed with the rest of the defense, I would want him in there as soon as possible.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Sep 7, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, I've been a big Sean Jones guy
around here, and I liked the Macho pick, but I never thought he would play this soon.
I really thought Mikell/Jones would be the safeties that logged the most time, with Demps playing against 3 WRs, etc.
That said, I think this is a good development … we’ve got four young safeties that can play, three of whom look to be Eagles for a while.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
That's no excuse for Jones
Jones did not play well in the preseason and aside from one interception in training camp he was a nonfactor. Sean Jones is a 3-4 strong safety which is a more significant change than people think. However, Jones not adapting to the scheme quickly enough is not an excuse for getting beat, Macho is a rookie CORNERBACK and he learned the scheme from a new position and excelled quicker than Jones. Jones missed several tackles from what I saw one of the big ones on special teams when the patriots got the punt return for a touchdown. He only had like one or two tackles over the entire preseason, while macho racked up 10 solo tackles and a sack, and on many occasions helped hurry the QB on blitzes. If Jones was hungry to start he should have performed better when he had his chances. For everyone questioning Macho’s coverage ability he came up with a big play on 3rd down in coverage against the jets when a receiver almost caught the ball and Macho knocked him out and forced an incompletion.
Where did anyone question Macho's coverage ability?
If anything, we’d be wondering whether a college corner can hit like a pro FS
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
I realize Macho
can hit and did play some FS, for the record … :)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Hell yes the guy can hit, and he does it for the love of the collision. Sound familiar?
The more youtube footage I watch of Macho, the more excited I am for his long term future. He’s a bit of a raw talent right now – I’ll admit that – but he deserves the chance to develop.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Sep 8, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions
I disagree...with the 2nd part
I believe in the coaches, Andy Reid is no chump he’s been doing this for 11 years and if he thinks a rookie is ready to start and help the team, I believe him.
FS is a special position on this team and Macho has the most ability
If FS on the Eagles was sitting back in cover 1 or 2 I think Demps would probably have the job, but the Eagles (probably because of building around B-Dawk) has become an everything position encompassing being able to handle the responsibility of a LB, CB or standard safety on any play to cover for a blitzer or be one themselves.
Macho has that ability and as we’ve seen is willing to lay out someone with a hit more than we’ve seen from Jones or Demps. Harris will be the most exciting player at that position… and remember he did return some punts for VT and should be a dangerious guy if given the chance to return a INT too
I usually don’t like doing this but I wonder if they will try and trade up for Eric Berry next year?
fightlockdown.com
There are actually 2 outstanding safeties coming out next year that would have probably both been Top 10 picks this year… Berry (Tennessee, for those of you who are unfamiliar) and Taylor Mays (USC). But that said, it’s not really a team need by any means… and least not enough of a team need to trade up into the tope 5-10 (assuming we pick 32nd, of course!)
And it’s never too early to talk about the draft, Legend. Actually, let me take that back… since we’re only 6 days away from Week 1, maybe we can hold off for a littte while.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
Dude
Eric Berry might be the first safety ever taken #1 overall….yes. Combine sean taylor and ed reed with the run stop ability of Dawkins. …no bullshit. once in a decade player easy, like julius peppers,adrian peterson,sean taylor and a few more.
Well if we're talking draft crap ...
… that reminds me that I wanted to post this:
http://espn.go.com/blog/afceast/post/_/id/2270/meriweather-an-all-around-force-for-patriots-2
A little draft regret for ya. If you’ll recall, the Eagles were picking 26th (which ended up being Anthony Spencer for the Cowboys, and Kolb et. al. for us) and were on the phone with Meriweather when the Pats drafted him 24th.
That would have made this all moot.
I guess it’s about time I get over that, huh?
That said, I’ve known of Macho all the way back to Highland Springs, so I’m pretty excited for him. I’d like to see Sean Jones and Demps get some time though.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
wow
dont remind me.. i want meriweather soo bad..when they drafted him i was pissed ..i also wanted kenny phillips .. they never take who i want lol except one time .. i wanted ingram .. and it hasnt worked out yet .. but it still could ..should of took sean smith from utah.. hes gonnabe a perenial probowler
by jack is better than asante on Sep 7, 2009 8:43 PM EDT up reply actions
I think we also got Stewart Bradley out of that trade and Spencer hasn’t started I think until this coming week against the Bucs, I would say we won that trade.
fightlockdown.com
no
spencer is going to be good .. hes better than gocong thats for sure .. he has a suggs skill set .. he just hasnt used it yet .. much like vernon gholston
by jack is better than asante on Sep 7, 2009 10:52 PM EDT up reply actions
We are not talking about Gocong...
And even if we were we don’t know that yet since Spencer hasn’t been able to get on the field yet.
fightlockdown.com
no
they still have high hopes for him ..hesyoung .. gocong proved hes average already
by jack is better than asante on Sep 8, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions
From ESPN article above
He was one of only four defensive backs last year with at least two interceptions, two sacks and two forced fumbles. The others were Adrian Wilson, Antoine Winfield and Quintin Mikell. Wilson and Winfield went to the Pro Bowl.
That’s pretty good company to be in. Q started getting a little bit of the national recognition he deserved last year. If he repeats what he did last year, he should be in the Pro Bowl.
You know... In my only fan post around here, quite a while ago...
I mentioned Safety as a weakness…
Seems like I was right…
TY, TY and good luck.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Here's what you wrote about our safeties in the post you're referring to ...
A long time ago, Roy “Thong” Williams used to be touted as a great Safety, the opinion started to receive some adversity when Darren Woodson (one of the best Safeties in our team history) went down. Williams was pressed to do too much and folded, in the end he couldn’t even tackle well… What will happen with the Eagles after Dawkins? In the end we will know, but the truth is that a great Safety makes things easier for the guys around him.
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/6/20/919274/part-1-of-a-1-part-series-jk
What exactly were you “right” about? I see no mention of Quintin Demps whatsoever, no mention of Sean Jones, no mention of Macho Harris. Nothing. In fact, the only hint of a mention of a specific player is a picture of Quintin Mikell.
You said absolutely nothing – Unless I’m wrong here… Did I miss something in your post that actually mentioned one of our safeties, and gave an analysis of why they’re a “weakness?” I’ll wait…
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
saftey
u can get away with starting a rookie .. worked out fine for the skins last year .. the hardest places to play as rookies are WR and QB ..and on defense probably OLB .. since uhave to cover running backs and TEs ..
by jack is better than asante on Sep 8, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions
worked out fine for the skins last year
The Redskins CBs have been vastly underrated for quite a while now… Shawn Springs played great ball for several year and for the past 2 years Carlos Rogers has been playing as well as anyone in the East…
They also had a rookie Safety playing Safety, not a rookie CB playing Safety. Even veteran CBs have some problems moving to Safety when they no longer have the legs… They no longer have the sideline to one side and they’re responsible of a wider area…
But true, I’ve to admit that until we see him play in games that matter, the book hasn’t been written on Macho Harris.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
Even veteran CBs have some problems moving to Safety when they no longer have the legs
so a young CB with the legs will have as much trouble … this makes no sense.
Harris’s NFL Combine overview … “Harris might fit best in the NFL in a zone scheme or even at free safety.” not to mention he played both safety and corner at VTech.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Don't even bother, Professor...
This is a guy that took the argument that the Cowboys O Line wasn’t old (34, 31, 31, 31, and 31, by the way).
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
By the way...
This is absolutely meaningless, but the ESPN Power Rankings have the Cowboys 17th (bottom half of the NFL). Haha, nice!
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
How many rookie CBs...
… Make a successful transition to Safety in the NFL without playing the position at all?
You would be surprized at how low the number is… And it isn’t a matter of legs…
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
man, this no child left behind shit really didnt work down there, did it
Harris’s NFL Combine overview … "Harris might fit best in the NFL in a zone scheme or even at free safety." not to mention he played both safety and corner at VTech.
How many rookie CBs make a successful transition to Safety in the NFL without playing the position at all?
comprehensive reading not your strong suit is it
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
by BadCo'09 on Sep 8, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
LOL
The same is said about most CBs prospects that have poor times in any (or many) of the following measurables:
- 40 yards.
- 20 yards shuttle.
- 3 cone drill.
How many make the transition? Most of them are actually kept at CB and some perform well at that position.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
But he did play safety at VT, at least part of the time. That’s the crucial element you are missing.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 8, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Uh, now I understand the reading comprehension comment...
I’ve seen VTech playing many times during the past few years… Never noticed Harris playing Safety, so that probably has to do with me never thinking of him at the position…
If it’s true, I have to admit that I’m probably wronger than right.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
i go to VT
he played some safety last season bc frank beamer knew thats where he would most likely end up in the NFL, and he is a playmaker
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
huh
he was more of a saftey in college .. hes too slow to be a corner
by jack is better than asante on Sep 8, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions
i was hoping that every single
person chose Dawkins.i miss that guy.lol
by rainvillefromottawa on Sep 9, 2009 12:21 AM EDT reply actions
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