Kolb - Hypocrisy in Arguments
by Whodie126 on Sep 30, 2009 10:16 AM EDT
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So for the longest time we’ve heard the argument that Kolb cannot replace McNabb and will never be a starter in the NFL. While I believe this still remains to be seen I find it humorous looking at the arguments.
Many fans were ready to sell this kid to the highest bidder or just flat out cut him after 1 half of play in the Baltimore game. The team was deflated and it was a lose, lose situation for Kolb. Granted he didn’t help himself out by making poor decisions but can we judge him on this performance? Many have said yes.
Tons of fans have come around after his recent starts and are now spreading the word of Kolb. The overall comfort in Kolb as our backup has increased. He has had some big plays and managed the games well but can we judge him on these performances? Some have said yes.
My question is why can’t the Kolb supporters judge Kolb on his past two starts, whilst the Kolb critics can judge him based on short relief appearances? I think it’s fair to say we have seen Kolbs bad side and his good side. We’ve seen what he can do when thrust into a game and what he can do when given time to prepare. Am I ready to anoint him the next McNabb, no not at all … Am I willing to support him absolutely. He has the skills and has showed he can play, he has also shown poor decision making but he is still young.
All I’m asking is let’s agree to disagree, if we can’t judge Kolb based on 2 starts against questionable Defenses, than how can you judge him based on a bad half against a freak of a defense, and a few other garbage time series? The middle ground, Kolb has proven he can play in this league, he has also proven that he can make horrible decisions, it remains to be seen what kind of player he will be but you can’t argue against his potential.
Kolb by the numbers
2008
Blowout of STL - 5-6 53 yards 0TD 0INT
McNabb injury PIT - 1 series 2-3 18 0TD 1INT (tipped ball)
Bal debacle - 10-23 73 yards 0 TD 2 INT
Cle blowout - 0-2 0 yards 0TD 1INT
2009
CAR - 7-11 23 yards 0TD 0INT
NO - 31-51 391 yards 2TDs 3INTs
KC - 24-34 327 yards 2 TDs 0INTs
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It's pretty simple
Those other games, he came in as a backup after a week of not playing with the first team. These two starts, he prepared as a starter, came in as a starter, and won NFC player of the week as a starter. That’s impressive, no matter how you slice it.
by Alon on Sep 30, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If you are thinking about the most important decision making position in football….dont you want a guy who is prepared for any situation? Not someone who can only play well in a start against an awful team?
by PolishMiracle on Sep 30, 2009 2:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t give a crap how a player plays coming in at half time, because that’s not what you expect your starting quarterback to do.
I am the people's troll :3™
by yomjoseki on Sep 30, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont you want a guy who is prepared for any situation?
Yes I do but the whole team needs to be behind him. After McNabb was benched that team was demoralized I’m not even sure Peyton Manning could have been successful in that situation.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Sep 30, 2009 3:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed,
I don’t know why you bother to try help some people. I bet you they still believe Garcia should start.
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by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think that pick vs the browns was a tipped ball as well.
I also think that second pick vs the Ravens was a tipped ball up as well. He had a freakish 3 or so from what I remember.
People want to take credit away from Kolb when he throws 350 yards against the Chiefs, but if McNabb have done the same thing, we would be applauding his performance.
Face it, Good QBs tear appart bad teams, but can still struggle against good defenses. Heck, even Brady struggles against good Defense, because a good defense will make any QB look average.
Every good QB stack up their stats against the bum teams. If you go back to every QB in the league, and discount all the games that they throw 400 yards and 4 tds vs bad teams, it would definately deflate the numbers. Thats for any QB.
Lets just look at our past backups, Garcia, Feeley, and Detmer all played well. But none of them really blew out any team. But Kolb flat out ripped apart the chiefs. Kolb stats count in my book, because like I said in the beginning, every QB bunch up stats on bad teams, and a good QB will always just tear appart a bad QB. An average QB just gets bye on those games.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 10:31 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
this is my point ...
bad QBs still play bad against bad defenses.
JeMarcus Russell vs the Cheifs 7/24 109 yards 0TDs 0INTs
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Sep 30, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
people will always find a way to be right, even when they are wrong.
So if you love McNabb, I guess you supposed to hate Kolb, right? So I’m supposed to want to see him fail I guess? And when he succeeds, I will just say, hey, that team sucked, that doesn’t count, Right?
People just can’t that they were wrong.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yophillybro.......
u hav a point in that most people cant admit when they r wrong, me on the other hand …..i have the common sense 2 kno when im wrong and the ballz to admit when wrong. Many people, myself included did not give this guy a fair shake. I never judged Kolb off of the Ravens game because the circumstances were unfair, and i actually think he played well in leading them down the field before the pick 6 came.
The guy definitely played great the last 2 weeks, and i kno it was against mediocre defenses but he still has 2 be given credit. Does that mean im a total beleiver now…………well sue me if i reserve my judgement until he plays a real defenses. The bottom line is the guy is not a bum and he does have talent. Anyone who cannot see that is either 2 stubborn for their own good or a flat-out baffoon.
by goldenbird09 on Sep 30, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Plus
He was playing without 3/5 of the O line, no Westbrook (arguable the best player on our offense), no Kevin Curtis, and a banged up Desean Jackson. Like many, I have felt all along that we did not have nearly enough to truly judge Kevin Kolb, for good or bad. Now we have a little more.
by Dawk on Sep 30, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Finally!!!! Someone preaching patience!
I have had numerous arguments w/ co-workers because of this. While they are bashing Kolb my simple arguement was that “There is insufficient data to make a judgement!”
The rush to slam the kid last year was amazing! But after two weeks of very solid performances people who hate him now preach patience and that it was only against the Chiefs!
Sigh, patience with our fan base is hard to come by, but maybe this will help re-inforce the notion that you have to judge a guy on more than one half.
P.S. This rings true to all the eagles fans who want Vick to start after that one pass to Baskett
by PierrEagles on Sep 30, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That also relates to everyone screaming for Kolb to start over McNabb or to trade McNabb.. its was only two good games. Yeah, you can say I was a Kolb “hater” but I always had an open mind with very low expectations and I was always going to support him but there is no reason people should have McNabbs head on a stick now that Kolb had two good games. the “original” Kolb supporters, as they all claim to be, should realize that he did only play two good games and still has a lot ot prove. He did do good, no one can take those two games away from him, but if its wrong for people to judge him for the way he played vs Pitt and Baltimore then its wrong for people to be praising him as the next coming of jesus after two great performances. He shined the past two weeks, and I can only imagine him growing even stronger with more practice with the starters, He has a lot of potential… but it was only two games. I’m not ready to cut McNabb off now because Kolb had two good games.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Sep 30, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The media reaction is my favorite part of this
After the loss to New Orleans all I heard from media was how Kolb’s poor performance and turnovers lost the game (they overlooked his 300+ yards and 2TDs, and the fact that 2INTS were in garbage time)
NOW…after KC, all I hear is how Kolb has played GREAT for 2 games in McNabb’s absence, and all of a sudden we have a “plethora” of great QBs.
Funny how his good performance in KC all of a sudden made his previously ‘poor’ performance in NO somehow ‘great’
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Sep 30, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i hate the media, well, espn more generally
but until there is a better place to get news and information, i guess i will have to deal with just making fun of them constantly.
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
by BadCo'09 on Sep 30, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea that was pretty ridiculous
but that’s ESPN they want a QB controversy … they tried to blow up Vicks comments when he said he expected to be a starter when he came back. He was obviously just saying what he had dreamed his return would be and not being realistic.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Sep 30, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick sucks as a QB, who always has,
But he is an above average QB, and I still want him on my team. He is that X factor I always dreamed of.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 1:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol you just contradicted yourself.
Vick sucks as a QB, who always has,but he is an above average QB.
I know what you meant though. haha
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Sep 30, 2009 1:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I meant above average backup. my bad, good eyes homie.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 2:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup yup.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 1:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think Kolb’s first pick against NO was definitely a back-breaker. 3 straight series for the defense. I definitely don’t put that game on Kolb, though. I’m actually still a little mad about the non-call for Holding at the end of the first half. Deep breath. Need to move on.
When McNabb got hurt, I told people all I wanted was to split the next two games and I’d be happy. I got asked several times how I thought Kolb was going to do and I said many times, that I didn’t think Kolb was very good and that he had shown me nothing to change that opinion.
He has now shown me something to change that opinion. I still want McNabb back, but I have some faith in Kolb now.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Sep 30, 2009 11:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think Kolb’s first pick against NO was definitely a back-breaker.
I can agree with this but fact is the kid played well and is young. He will make mistakes he stares down receivers like they owe him money but he is getting better.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Sep 30, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He aint gonna stop doing that either, He should consider wearing a tinted visor, Like Vick.
Prevents defenders from looking at your eyes. He’s got that bad habit bro. He is a bit of a gunslinger to. He will definatetly throw more picks than McNabb, he is just an aggresive QB.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Most QBs
throw more picks than McNabb…
Although, McNabb sometimes needs a reminder that bounce passes only work in basketball
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Sep 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I absolutely agree. Like I said, I don’t think Kolb lost that game. I don’t think McNabb could have won that game. I think Kolb has shown improvement and thats encouraging.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Sep 30, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
McNabb couldn't have won that game
Tom Brady couldn’t have won that game…
Our ST continuously gave them a ridiculously short field, and our defense was helpless to stop them…
It would have been near impossible to score enough points
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Sep 30, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One more start
Personally, I’d like to see him get one more start against Tampa. That will give McNabb one more week to heal up as we head into the NFC East games. This is also a chance to further audition Kolb if the Eagles want to trade one of their QB’s at the end of the season. Then McNabb would have the game against the Raiders to knock of the rust prior to the Skins game.
For that matter, rest Westbrook and Curtis as well. Make McNabb your emergency QB but don’t even have Westbrook or Curtis traveling. Good experience for McCoy and Maclin and good rest for two important weapons.
by Dawk on Sep 30, 2009 12:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
raiders actually have a pretty solid D from what I've seen
I may be misinformed though…don’t really feel like fact checking
by eagleyosh on Sep 30, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They looked good against the Chargers, played the Chiefs in week 2 (and we all know what that offense looks like…) and then got trampled by the Broncos in week 3. I think the Broncos ran for something like 200 yards on them. I remember looking up and realizing that Correll Buckhalter averaged like 8+ yards a carry against them or some other ridiculously high number.
The comment I remember most came from the Charger game when Steve Young said the Raiders were running a 30 year old defense that any modern offense with any talent could shred. The only thing that kept them in that Charger game was how incredibly physical they were. After that, I was questioning how long their defense could maintain that level of intensity. It appears 2 weeks is the answer.
My feeling on the Raider Defense is that its very physical and can play really well at times, but when that physicality and intensity isn’t there, it falls apart extremely fast because their scheme is so easily exploited.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Sep 30, 2009 1:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Man, I find myself still rooting for Buck
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Sep 30, 2009 5:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, I'm not changing my mind now.
I still say trade him rather than have him sit on the shelf 3 or 4 more years. At least now he can bring us value. I’ve been pretty consistent with my position.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Sep 30, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
pretty consistent.....
before you said trade him before anyone sees how badly he sucks. Now it’s trade him because he has value.
by eagleyosh on Sep 30, 2009 12:35 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
+1
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Sep 30, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love Kolb, but am not opposed to a trade either. As long as it improves the team.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I want a Superbowl in this city ridiculously bad....
but i don’t want to be the Cowboys after winning one either. The only way trading Kolb would work out great is if some desperate team offers a 1st and the Eagles draft another Houston QB but this time its Case Keenum in the first round. That dude is a B-E-A-S-T.
Case Keenum>Bradford,McCoy, Tebow(he will suck in NFL), Pike, Clauson and all other QBs in College Football.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Sep 30, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I gotta read up on this kid.
Imagine us with 2 first round picks again. Peppers would definately be an Eagle next year. It wouldn’t be fair to the rest of the NFL.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Sep 30, 2009 2:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sept. 26
at Houston 29 … Texas Tech 28
Case Keenum ran for a four-yard score to cap off a 16-play, 95-yard drive in the final five minutes, and the Houston defense held on as a final Texas Tech Hail Mary was broken up. The two offenses combined for 1,063 yards of total offense, but Texas Tech was only able to managed a 24-yard touchdown catch from Tramain Swindall in the second half. It was still good enough to be up late as Houston didn’t go for two points after a one-yard Bryce Beall run, and was down eight after the Swindall score, and only managed a 21-yard field goal on a deep third quarter drive. Baron Batch ran for two first half scores for the Red Raiders.
Player of the Game: Houston QB Case Keenum completed 38-of-58 passes for 435 yards and a touchdown with an interception, and he ran for 27 yards and the game-winning score.
Houston: Passing: Case Keenum, 38-58, 435 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Bryce Beall, 19-75, 1 TD, Receiving: Charles Sims, 10-122
Texas Tech: Passing: Taylor Potts, 30-45, 321 yds, 1 TD
Rushing: Baron Batch, 19-114, 2 TD, Receiving: Alex Torres, 6-90
What It All Means: The Oklahoma State win was big, but this proved the Houston really can play. Case Keenum wasn’t perfect, but he was a playmaker when he needed to be with both his legs and his arm, keeping the final drive alive with a cool head and good mobility. While the passing game took center stage, Bryce Beall and the running game did a decent job, too, adding a little bit of balance when needed. Defensively, Marcus McGraw and C.J. Cavness had huge games combining for 33 tackles, but Matt Nicholson, who made eight tackles, was lost for the year with a torn ACL. Now the key is for the team to maintain its focus against UTEP before going to Mississippi State for yet another statement game.
Sept. 12
Houston 45 … at Oklahoma State 35
Houston’s Case Keenum threw three touchdown passes and a scored on a 16-yard run, but it was the defense that came through when needed. Down 38-35, Oklahoma State had the ball with plenty of time, but Jamal Robinson picked off a pass for a 26-yard score to seal the win. The Cowboys got a nine-yard Kendall Hunter touchdown run, before he left with an injury, and got a scintillating 82-yard punt return from Dez Bryant for a score, but the Cougars scored 21 fourth quarter points with Bryce Beall scoring from one-yard out and catching a deflected pass for a six-yard score
Player of the Game: Houston QB Case Keenum completed 32-of-46 passes for 366 yards and three touchdowns with an interception. He also ran for a score.
Houston: Passing: Case Keenum, 32-46, 366 yds, 3 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Bryce Beall, 18-78, 1 TD, Receiving: Tyron Carrier, 7-111, 1 TD
Oklahoma State: Passing: Zac Robinson, 18-31, 240 yds, 1 TD, 1 INT
Rushing: Beau Johnson, 9-82, 1 TD, Receiving: Dez Bryant, 5-85
What It All Means: Case Keenum now belongs on the Heisman short list. He’ll get another shot at a big win with Texas Tech coming up, but this performance showed, at the very least, that he belongs in the discussion among the nation’s best quarterbacks. He made a few mistakes and wasn’t always sharp (getting really, really lucky on his last touchdown pass that should’ve been picked off), but he was cool, calm, and extremely productive. The defense wasn’t a rock, but it forced the turnovers it needed to and it kept the high-powered Cowboy attack under wraps allowing just 434 yards. Now there’s a week off to bask in the glow and prepare for the Red Raiders. If nothing else, this remains among the nation’s most fun teams to watch.
Sept. 5
at Houston 55 … Northwestern State 7
Case Keenum needed just over a half of work to throw four touchdown passes and run for another as Houston jumped out to a 41-7 halftime lead and a 48-7 lead before Keenum and the starters came out. Bryce Beall scored on a 17-yard run and a 15-yard catch, and Charles Sims scored on a 23-yard grab and a one-yard run in the rout. NSU got its touchdown on a one-yard Justin Aldredge run in the second quarter.
Player of the Game: Houston QB Case Keenum completed 23-of-30 passes for 359 yards and four touchdowns, and he ran for seven yards and a score.
Northwestern State: Passing: John Hundley, 22-34, 106 yds, 1 TD
Rushing: William Griffin, 10-63, Receiving: Darius Duffy, 6-43
Houston: Passing: Case Keenum, 23-30, 359 yds, 4 TD
Rushing: Bryce Beall, 9-58, 1 TD, Receiving: Charles Sims, 6-128, 1 TD
What It All Means: It was a near-perfect performance in a tune-up for Oklahoma State. It might have been nothing more than a light scrimmage against a mediocre Northwestern State team, but Case Keenem still was razor-sharp and spread the ball around well. The running game only averaged 3.4 yards per carry, but the intensity was hardly there after Keenum lit up the scoreboard through the air. Phillip Steward paced the way for the defense with 13 tackles.
Even after leading the nation in total offense last season, Houston’s Case Keenum didn’t garner a fraction of the preseason attention that went to the venerated quarterback trio of Florida’s Tim Tebow, Oklahoma’s Sam Bradford and Texas’ Colt McCoy.
Associated Press
Case Keenum has out-performed even the top Heisman contenders this season.
But he’s played better than any of them so far.
Keenum threw for 435 yards Saturday and engineered a late touchdown drive that led Houston to a 29-28 victory over Texas Tech. The victory came just two weeks after Keenum outplayed Zac Robinson in a 45-35 upset of Oklahoma State.
Those two victories over Big 12 opponents put Houston into BCS contention, and they also made Keenum the new No. 1 quarterback in the Rivals.com College Football Power Rankings, which measure the nation’s top performers at each position.
“If you don’t look forward to that and have some type of nervousness and excitement, then you’re not alive,” Keenum said after the comeback. “You’re not human. If you don’t feel something in these types of games and [don’t] love the adrenaline, then you’re not living. It’s a lot of fun. I’d like to do this every week.”
Keenum moved ahead of Tebow, who threw for 103 yards and ran for 123 yards and two touchdowns before suffering a concussion in a 41-7 rout of Kentucky.
Keenum’s rise wasn’t the only change atop the power rankings.
His stats last year: 5020 yards passin-67.4 pct-44 TDs-11 int-159.91 rating.
76 att-221 yards rushing- 7 tds.
Led the nation in total offense last year and is continuing that same play again this year. The only reason he doesn’t get mentioned as much as Bradford and Tebow is because of the conference and that he didn’t play any big teams. This year he just beat Texas Tech and Oklahoma State and Houston is now ranked number 12. He is 3rd in Heisman Watch right now in ESPN. He is real exciting.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Sep 30, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So many teams
are going through “rebuilding” phases after losing 1 or 2 key players or a coach. Andy and the FO have put us in the position where we’re grooming guys everywhere…there’s almost no loss that would cripple us and that’s a testament to the draft and his commitment to grooming guys…
With that said, it would be hard to trade Kolb…he’s been in the system for 3 years now…he knows it…that’s hard to replace…I can’t imagine Vick would settle in as a back-up and be as comfortable as Kolb
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Sep 30, 2009 5:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Vick is a lousy QB...
…always has been. At least Kolb is capable of stuff like “thinking” and “judgement.” Vick is woefully deficient in those areas both on and off the field. That’s why I say trade Kolb. Vick is beyond worthless.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
by EvilBanner on Sep 30, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, i'm not on the Vick hype wagon
if you were skeptical about Kolb until proven otherwise, I’m skeptical about Vick being productive at all until proven otherwise
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Sep 30, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ok look
when Kolbs gotten in, up till these past 2 starts, he has been in because of relief due to bad play, or injury.
Some of those are his bad, which is part of being a young QB, other’s are not his fault… When your the 2nd QB you barely get in with the 1st team during the regular season, he pretty much runs the opponents offense for our starting Defense so I can see him not being ready when he’s thrust into the game unprepared..
However, Kolb did do a pretty good job the past two games, and that puts him pretty high on my chart, if the dude can come in and with a week of practice with the first team and put up 300yds through the air and still win then by all means keep him…
Fact is that kolb is the future, like it or not Andy’s already decided that. It’s gonna take alot more than him playing poorly why relieveing McNabb or playing after an injury..
By the way Kolbs the first QB in NFL history to throw for back to back 300yd games during his 1st two starts… If thats a glimpse of the future than Damn its bright.
by wild_eagle on Sep 30, 2009 8:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Here’s my take on Kolb, and I know this is going to sound very Andy-Zenish. Right now, he’s not as good as the rave supporters think he is, but he’s not as bad as the detractors suggest either. At this point, his true skill level is probably still somewhere in between. Over the past two games, his numbers look pretty decent (and we can debate why regarding what the Saints defense gave him in the under routes in the second half), but something tells me if it wasn’t the Chiefs this week, a few of those throws would have been picks. I think right now, he simply looks like someone who has had about three games worth of experience in three years. Although, I do think he can develop into a quality starter that can operate a WCO very well.
Also, I wanted to say hello to everyone. I’ve been away for a bit due to some personal circumstances.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Oct 1, 2009 9:49 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
its cool buddy, welcome back
hope everythins well
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
by BadCo'09 on Oct 1, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sup bro, good to hear from you again.
I can’t say I can totaly agree though. Not that Kolb is a world beater, but your same agruement would be valid for any QB. There are throws you are given, and throws that are taken away, its the QB job to find what he is being given and take it. There are games where Brady has his short game taken away, so Brady adjust and throws elsewhere to be productive.
Also, every QB has throws they wish they can takeback. I agree, Kolb had a few that he was lucky they weren’t picks. Thats a measurement that if applied to Kolb should be applied to McNabb and Vick as well, as it is a universal truth of that position.
I think there was improvement in his pocket presence, he stepped up when needed. He made safer decisions. He had a quicker release, and he threw the ball away when there was nothing there. He was accurate for the most part, and even took some small chances by forcing some throws that are ballsy type of throws, just think of that one throw to Jackson, where Jackson was draped by the DB, and Kolb forced it into a 2 inch hole for a great completion for short gain to Jackson.
I am not saying Kolb is better than McNabb, but there are definate improvement to past issues he had. Whodie mention in previous comments about that whole staring down the receiver thing, and he still has that bad habbit. He also still falls in love with a WR, he may need to mix up his throws from time to time, as to not be so predictable.
I just don’t think that we can write off a good performance, just because it was a bad defense. Good QBs eat bad defenses, average QB just get by. Kolb did his part of defense eating last week. I think the preferation and the support was a huge factor to his success, but I cant subract from his performance because DJax played well. If that where the case, we would have to subtract from Manning and Brady having Harrison and Moss as strong supporters of their success. But no one ever does that to them, because they have to make those throws to the receivers, they still did completed the assignments at hand. Kolb did all he could do to justify his position as a backup, I’m sure Andy feels vindicated.
Again, good to hear from you buddy.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m by no means saying we should write off his day against the Chiefs, just take it for what it was. To be fair, I like Kolb, I just think he needs more of a portfolio before we, as a fanbase, judge either way. I do concur that Andy is probably happy and feels a bit vindicated for the pick.
Also, I think he did a bit more that justify his position as a back up… I think there’s going to be some long discussions within the NovaCare Complex as to who’s at the helm next year.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Oct 1, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah, I got you.
If anything, his stock is sky high. So I imagine if Andy were to trade him, he can demand a low first rounder, if now a low first rounder plus a 4th or so.
I am MOST impressed with Justice. He is having a Pro Bowlish year. I don’t want to get ahead of myself with him. But he has been our most solid lineman this year.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Real test for Justice comes against the Giants...
Going against Tuck and Kiwanuka is gonna be a reeeaal pain in the ass. If he does well, then we can say Justice is really good.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Oct 1, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dont forget about Osi
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Oct 1, 2009 8:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Osi plays mostly if not all his time on the right side similar to our Trent Cole. Tuck and Kiwanuka plays both sides, mostly right if Osi is playing.
Do your reseach homeboy! lol jk
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Oct 2, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
*mostly left if Osi is playing, not right.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Oct 2, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my bad,
I thought you were saying Tuck and Kiwanuka are the only good DL they have lol… They may move Osi over to go against Justice since it has given them some big plays.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
by wild_eagle on Oct 3, 2009 6:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
back from retirement ...
I think given the small sample size really any argument can be made for or against Kolb. That’s my point, no one can judge him based on either performance. We simply do not know what kind of QB he will be, but we do know what he can be. We could be looking at the next Rex Grossman, or the next Aaron Rodgers, or simply anywhere in between.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 1, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fully onboard with this assessment… And you’re totally correct. We need to see more before we have some type of worthwhile comparisons. I’m just hoping the Tony Romo comparisons that I’ve seen floating around go away, although this is a bit uncanny.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Oct 1, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that is weird … I actually was working on a post similar to that before I decided to do this one. I was using Aaron Rodgers path to the gridiron and although he didn’t do as poorly in his relief appearances he wasn’t looked at as ready to take over the the almighty.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Oct 1, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
True. And I would much rather Kolb turn into a Rogers type of QB than Romo… It was just an interesting read. Especially given how closely the numbers mirror each other. Kind of Twilight Zone-ish.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Oct 1, 2009 1:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Altough Romo isn't a terrible QB, not a superstar in my opinion,
He is a mental midget IMO. I hope Kolb doesn’t flop in the spotlight like Romo, but under normal circumstances, Romo isn’t half bad. He is still decent QB, I just hate him because he’s a Cowboy, but I can’t hate his game. He has a terrible delivery motion though, I’m surprised he doesn’t get more passess batted down.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I saw the stats. I gotta give Romo his props, those were good numbers. But other than Romo performing well early, I see very little other similarities.
I think Kolb is Jeff Garcia mixed with Jay Cutler. When he is comfortable he can make a quick 1,2,3 and out pass on the money. Just like Garcia did when he subbed for McNabb. He even moves a little in the pocket like Garcia did. And he doesn’t have the greatest arm, like Garcia. Deep balls kinda sail on him.
I think Kolb is like Cutler by the way he is very aggresive in his passing. He can force some balls into crazy small spaces, most times with success. But sometimes, he can make a stupid pass. He also has made some really dumb passes that make you scratch your head, just like Cutler. But Cutler has a gun of an arm, unlike Kolb.
I see no similarities to Romo other than the scrappyness in his play, and short pass efficiency.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
my reply didn't post correctly, sorry guys.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t see the comparison to Romo, other than the fact that Romo played well early. I think th styles are totally different. Also, different supporting cast.
I actuall find Kolb to be a mix of Garcia and Cutler
Gacia comparison.
When confident, Kolb cat hit a quick 1,2,3 and out pass. He moves decent in the pocket (now at least), very scrappy player who takes hits while remaining in the pocket. Is very accurate with the short yard stuff. And can move the ball by hitting a bunc of 3-6 yard passes. Also, isn’t gifted with the best of arms, and will have some deep balls sail on him.
Cutler comparison
Although Cutler has a GREAT arm, he and Kolb are both a little gunslingerish.
Cutler can get careless with the ball, and back stupid passess. Also, Kolb can get overly aggressive and start forcing passes into dangerously small spaces. Sometimes it works, sometimes he’s gonna get picked for trying. In regards to Cutlers aggression, I think he and Kolb are very similar. But Cutler has a far superior arm.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hope we see more of him he is handed the keys. That will enable us to make a fair assessment.
But if we do see more of him, that would mean we are having problems, so I prefer not to see him until next year.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sounds like a contradiction, but we need more data,
but the only way to get it is at the expense of a McNabb injury or poor play. Either one isnt good for this year.
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by yophillybro on Oct 1, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im guilty of doubting Kolb
While Im not completly sold (yet to be truly tested) I like him, he’s tough and commands respect of the offence-
Seems like a natural leader, true field general. McNabb in my oppinion is still the better QB hands down but I think this guy will make a good QB eventualy
RIP JJ
by MeanGreen5 on Oct 1, 2009 6:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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