Taking Stock of Eagles Preseason: Week 4 vs. the Jets
by Bob_Q on Sep 3, 2009 11:56 PM EDT
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Well the Eagles have officially concluded the preseason with a 27-38 loss to the New York Jets. Don't let the 1-3 record discourage you yet, as the Eagles' starters saw no action and a lot of time was taken up by certain players who will no longer occupy a roster spot come Saturday. Regardless of the score, there were numerous bright flashes as some of the younger players shined, giving it their all in their last chance to make the team. And now, a brief rundown of who's stock is on the rise and who's stock is falling in this final installment of "Taking Stock."
Stock on the Rise:
Brandon Gibson- Of the final four receivers battling for the final two roster spots, Gibson once again managed to rise above the rest. He led the team in both receptions and yards (4 rec for 45 yds), including an 18-yard deep grab off a Kevin Kolb bomb.
Tony Curtis- In his Eagles debut, Curtis allowed the doubters about the tight end position to breathe a tiny sigh of relief. He looked impressive against the Jets' first and second-string defenses, racking up four catches for 40 yards and a touchdown. Stat-wise, it was bar none the best performance by an Eagles tight end this preseason.
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Eldra Buckley- Buckley certainly proved he deserves a spot on this team after tonight. He gained 36 yards off of 9 attempts and was an absolute star during third-and-short situations.
Moise Fokou- Fokou once again led the team in tackles, far outstripping any other defensive player with seven takedowns and two assists. Although he did have an illegal horsecollar penalty called on him during a punt return, he did admittedly prevent a touchdown. Fokou's outstanding play and tenacious ballhawking abilities have certainly earned him a spot on the final roster.
Jason Babin- Coming into training camp as the odd man out at defensive end, Babin has made enormous strides towards earning a spot on the final roster, recording his third sack in four games. He once again showed a knack for putting pressure on the quarterback and always being in on plays. If the battle between Babin and Bryan Smith comes down to tonight's performance, Babin will almost certainly have the edge.
Stock Falling:
Lorenzo Booker- In what was likely his final performance in midnight green, Booker made fans' stomachs turn with his inability to move the football. He was especially ineffective with catching the ball out of the backfield, totaling -1 yards off of three receptions. With Buckley's continued good performance, it is likely that Booker will be packing his bags come Saturday.
Dimitri Patterson- After a very promising training camp in which he was slated to be the fifth cornerback ahead of Jack Ikegwunou, Patterson contributed zero stats during tonight's game. What will likely be the deal breaker though, is Patterson's injury incurred during the first half of the game. While it is likely just an ankle sprain, Patterson was a bubble player to begin with. Ike and Trae Williams both had acceptable games, combining for 5 tackles and an interception, so it is likely that the Eagles will go with the healthy option if they do decide to keep five CBs on the final roster. Looks like Patterson could be the odd man out.
Reggie Brown & Hank Baskett- For two veteran receivers competing for their jobs, neither player stood out in tonight's game. Brown had zero catches, and Baskett grabbed a dinky three yard pass late in the fourth quarter to cap of a virtually invisible performance. Granted, neither receiver was given much playing time, but with Brandon Gibson continuing to step up, it's hard to make a case for either receiver based on tonight's performance.
Michael Vick- While he did show brilliant flashes and an incredible arm strength, Vick's performance tonight showed that he still has a ways to go before returning to his former NFL shape. His one very memorable 20-yard backfield dance, double fumble, and sack was enough to convince any Eagles fan that there is no quarterback controversy in Philadelphia. That being said, Vick was fairly effective on gadget plays and short yardage situations, scoring a goal-line touchdown in the beginning of the second quarter. At least he'll have until week three now to work on being a QB again.
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I didn’t even realize Reggie played. Or Baskett until the end there. How many snaps did they even take?
they had some with vick in the 3rd
but didnt even get thrown to
RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick
Jack Ikegwuonu...
His stock dropped in my opinion even though he had that interception that fell right on his lap. He got beat on a couple plays especially that 70+ yard TD by Conley. Since this is his first year actually playing and practicing, i don’t think he will be cut.
Jack is still not better than Asante……yet.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
JICBS
Jack is cut before Sunday. He looked utterly confused last night.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
Weird
Imagine Bryan Smith (3rd rounder in 2008) and Jack Iguana (4th rounder in 2008) both being cut by the team. That would be really strange, and I somehow doubt that would happen. But Babin is playing really well and we have a lot of CBs…
I agree with awd777
How good did Amendola look last night? The similarities between Danny and Wes Welker are clear (Texas Tech, size, quickness, etc) and he looks like he has a lot of promise. He has done a good job returning punts, too, and in my opinion, he’s clearly stonger than Maclin in that area at this point. He and Gibson have come out and done everything they’ve been asked to do and I feel they both earned a spot on the roster. Neither of them would make it through waivers to end up on the practice squad, someone would pick them up.
Where is the love for the white boys?
How about Klecko and Danny Amendola?
Klecko was in the back field alot for a DT, and Amendola was a little spark plug picking up tons of yardage everywhere.
I did a make shift 53 man roster, and unfortunately these two guys dont look like they will make the team.
what about Woodhead from the Jets. I can't remember the last white runningback in the NFL.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
we made that lil' guy look like a freaking hall of famer last night, jeez he killed us
we had no answer for his speed at all. Also made Ainge look like the second coming of Joe Willie. Pretty ugly stuff from the 2 & 3 defense.
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
WR outlook
So here is the list, who stays and who goes?
Jackson
Curtis
Avant
Maclin
Baskett
Brown
Gibson
Amendola
My vote is trade Brown and Baskett for whatever we can get and move forward with the other 6.
Amandola gets cut, maybe we trade Brown, but I think he gets cut.
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I agree he most likely will be cut
or they will try to get him to the practice squad, if possible. But I think he is the better player to keep for the long-term over Brown/Baskett. He could be killer in the slot of Curtis is gone and is a perfect fit for the offense the Eagles run. He makes people miss everytime he touches the ball. It will be a shame if they have to cut him. If they can get picks and/or TE for Brown/Baskett/Feeley, then I say do it and keep Danny.
We wont be able to trade him unless a team really wants him. Why would a team give up a player or a pick for brown if we are just going to cut him anyway? All they have to do is wait until he hits waivers then sign him to a much smaller contract than the rediculous one we gave him. If reid cuts gibson over brown or baskett ill be very upset. Ive been a big fan of gibson this preseason and he is starting to look like a steal in this draft.
If we can’t trade him I still say we cut him. And I say the same thing about Baskett. The only thing he has is size and in theory that’s great for the redzone, but not if he can’t hold onto the ball. He might as well be a 5’ 10", there really isn’t a difference because he doesn’t play up to his size and athleticism.
Agreed completely on the Gibson thing, too, they better keep him. If they drop Amendola, I would put money on him being productive for another team within the next 2 years, whether it’s in the slot, on punt returns, or both.
I think we may need to consider trading Curtis.
he is set to make 5 million next year, with only 1 mil guaranteed. He is primed to get cut next year, but has more value than Brown and Basket. I would trade him for a 3rd round pick and keep Brown, we avoid eating an additional 2 mil on prorated signing bonuses by keeping Brown. Curtis is worth more than Brown. I would start Avant and move Maclin to 3rd WR. It improves our team in every way.
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Did anyone else see Shawn Andrews Suited up on the line last night?!!!!
How awesome was that????
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GCobb is a Kevin Kolb hatter. I can't stand reading his post anymore.
Its seems like Kevin must have stole something from GCobb, but he always trashing him. I thought Kevin played well. But GCobb will never admit it.
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Amendola
I think it wouldn’t hurt to give up Basketts one fade attempt a year to keep Amendola. If Maclin comes out and fumbles his first two punt returns for get -14 yards, we’re gonna wish we had someone else out there that could do it. Hobbs hasn’t done it much lately, and we’d all rather have DeSean miss the chance at that extra huge hit or sprinting down the field.
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baskett better
i think, because he blocks better, and has better ability on special teams. remember, amendola came from the cowboys. since when do we take cowboy rejects at the WR position? it just doesn’t make sense…
People are going to call me crazy, but I think we should trade Curtis. To me, Amendola is what I always wanted Curtis to be: that little inside reciever that can take the easy dump pass over the middle, and make whoever is covering him miss to pick up another 5 yards. I am sorry, but Curtis is not the receiver I want on the outside, its not where is value is. We have a very good core of young receivers, and I really do not want to cut Amdendola after what I saw last night.
No you are not crazy, I just post that earlier. But I don't like Amendola that much either.
Amendola is OK, but not better than anyone on this team. He had some huge drops. If he worked on that, he is scrappy enough to do well.
I think that Curtis has more trade value than any other receiver, and he is set to make 5 mil next year, 1 mill dead money if cut. So he is gonna get cut next year.
I think we get a 3rd for Curtis, and we avoid eating that Brown money.
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Why does everyone imagine Curtis as a slot receiver? Curtis is a 4.3 stretch-the-field guy whose skill set is best suited for split end. He may not have elite talent, but he is solid and split end is where he belongs. Scrappy looking short white guy does not automatically equal slot WR.
The same thing seems to be applied to Baskett and the fade, just because he is tall. He is average at best regarding fade routes. Timing and skill are > height regarding the execution of the fade-type routes. Lance Alworth and Lynn Swann were both a shade under 6ft yet were awesome jump ball receivers.
Regarding Amdendola, I was impressed with the kid. He is very confident and poised, but that TD drop was just awful… can’t drop a TD that hits you right in the numbers when trying to impress in the last preseason game.
by captain nodar on Sep 4, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions
Eldra Buckley- Buckley certainly proved he deserves a spot on this team after tonight. He gained 36 yards off of 9 attempts and was an absolute star during third-and-short situations.
And the special teams play from him really proves that he will be a contributor this season, unlike booker.
Booker SUCKS
Looks like we returned the favor to the fins (Feely Trade) when we traded for booker…
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Sep 4, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
+1
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
not for nothing....
but I think I’d rather have Brown over BASKETT. Baskett has just been shown to be pretty much a waste of 6’4". Brown will come up with a big catch EVERY now and then, at least. I think Gibson REALLY needs to make the squad ahead of either of those clowns. Maybe even over Maclin. The kid is a beast.
I think Amendola has everyone gassed over his new car smell. He had a really good game yesterday, but that might have just been desperation…lol. He did have a big drop. He’s good, just not better than what we have.
"The difficult we do right away. The ridiculous takes a little longer, or would, if we weren't busy working on the impossible."
Brown over BASKETT
I think Baskett with his special teams play considered outweighs Brown’s contribution to the team as of late. Not to say that Brown wasn’t a serviceable #2 for a time, but I know I’d rather have Baskett on special teams and his occasional offensive contribution rather than have to see Brown not come back or fight for the football on a curl/hitch route again or see him drop another pass. IMO, Browns inconsistencies with just catching the football and not attacking the ball while it’s in the air is why he’s on his way out.
by 5 plus 10 equals 6 on Sep 4, 2009 11:08 AM EDT reply actions
beleive it or not, I'm starting to think we keep Jack.
We cannot practice squad Jack or Bryan Smith,
So we keep him on the roster, and cut smith.
here are my predictions for the practice squad
Langford
Tupou
Patterson
Amendola
Bright
Mailei
Gaines
(of course, Andy will bring in someone from another camp, and someone from my list does not get signed as a result)
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Also Congrats to this years rookie Class
Maclin
McCoy
Harris
Gibson
Fokou
All likely to make this team.
Tupou was playing mostly guard yesterday, I think he gets a practice squad spot. I think Paul Fanaika doesn’t get a contract offer.
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I've said this before
And I’ll say it again: Danny Amendola is amazing. He has outplayed Maclin in EVERY part of the game, from punt returns to WR. I’m still rooting for him to make the team, AT LEAST in the practice squad.
hold your horses buddy, he didn't out play maclin. I posted Maclins numbers last week. they weren't bad.
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hold your horses buddy, he didn't out play maclin. I posted Maclins numbers last week. they weren't bad.
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You said that already =P
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by EagleGreeninMD on Sep 4, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions
somehow it posted 2x, I guess my pc froze on it, and I clicked it again.
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Danny Amendola looked real impressive
he worked mostly out of the Wildcat w/ Vick but he broke a few opptions for first downs and imo looked real impressive
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Sep 4, 2009 12:25 PM EDT reply actions
Last year draft wasn't too bad either
Laws
Jackson
Smith (likely to get cut)
McGlynn (its between him and Ikeguano)
Demps
Ikeguano (its between him and McGlynn)
Mays
Gibson (IR last year, gets cut this year)
Studebaker (Got picked up from our practice squad)
Dunlap
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You say Gibson will get cut? I dont know if that will happen. He was one of the top 5 players this preseason. Had more catches and recieving yards then brown and baskett combined. I say he makes the team.
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