Is Kevin Kolb the future of our franchise?
by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 10:21 AM EDT
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Over the pas two weeks we got a good look at what may be the future of our franchise. With Kolb, Jackson, Maclin all playing, and the great play by TE Celek. Philly fans have got to be giddy about the prospects of our future. I know there were some Nay sayers who doubted Andy Reid for his strategy in drafting and releasing players, but just look at yesterday, McNabb, Westbrook were both injured, we have no Runyan and Tra and the only from yesterday that started opening game last year was Jamal Jackson and DeSean Jackson, everyone else was brand new, and this team still looked good, that was a completely different team yesterday than the team we saw in the playoffs. I think I am excited from what I saw.
But lets try this poll again, I want to rate what our confidence in Kolb is. Be honest in your voting, I want to gage the pulse of the fans.
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Everyone here know I have always been a Kolb supporter,
Of course, (without hating on Donovan). I feel so vindicated. Hats off to most of the BGN vets who kept an open mind. Please fellas, give me your feedback on this guys. Either positive or negative. I’m still now sure if Kolb has won over the fans yet? I need to see.
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If you are Andy, what do you do with our QB situation?
If there are any trades, whats the value you are looking for in return?
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Somebody will act up.
Andy will keep Donovan starting unless he gets hurt or he stops producing.
Both Vick and Kolb have the skills to be starters somewhere else. I think that one or the other is going to push for a trade next year, and rightly so. They should be starters. Plus, it is possible that D.McNabb could finally become fed up with the poor treatment he gets from some of our fans or be pissed about Vick getting to many WildEagle calls. You never can tell.
In either event, our weakness at the end of the season is usually much different than our weakness at the beginning. (for example: Bradley and Ingram will probably be back and that means we won’t need a middle LB or a backup TE.)
Expect Andy to be a master card player again. He just gets better and better at this. Look at the last two drafts and the trade for Peters.
by IggleGrrrreen(F-da-rest!) on Sep 28, 2009 10:42 AM EDT up reply actions
I draft Safety, LB, and RB next year. also a backup Guard, and Tackle, K, and P
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 10:48 AM EDT up reply actions
Definitely will be drafting a LB…and I have to agree with RB and OL dept as well. I also think we need to keep drafting elite DL…you can tell that when our DLine dominates their OL we dominate the game. Don’t think we are the kind of team that wastes picks on a kicker or a punter.
by Clyde Simmons on Sep 28, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
maybe undrafted guys come in as K or punter. But we needs new ones badly.
First pick for me is DE,
Second round Safetie, and CB (we have 2 picks this year, thanks Lito)
then 3rd round RB. Its hard to find a good one past the 3rd round. I also draft a new SLB. (we have 2 3rd rounder this year, thanks NYG, enjoy Bardem).
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:37 PM EDT up reply actions
no wedont
we do not get a second round pick for lito dude
by jack is better than asante on Sep 28, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions
I thought we do if he starts 85% of his games? Correct me if I'm wrong?
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:59 PM EDT up reply actions
McNabb's our Qb but..
It’s exciting to see Kolb performing well. It’s hard to say if he’s our QB of the future with only 2 starts under his belt but I’d definately say he’s convinced more people now then when he was just throw into the fire when mcnabb was benched/injured in previous games.
I can see Kolb as our starter EVENTUALLY and I’m sure he’s going to have his chance later on. Right now he’s strictly McNabb’s backup though and I don’t think anyone would argue with that.
As far as Kolb goes...
I’ve always liked the dude. Thought he was drafted too high, but always rooted for him.
My thoughts: play Kolb against Tampa and let McNabb rest another 2 weeks. This would give Kolb two games against some weaker comp to get his confidence up, improve and let Reid evaluate him and the other young guys who played well yesterday. No sense in rushing McNabb back for an otherwise winnable game.
If nothing else, I think Kolb’s earned a longer look.
We have a great problem
We have a Top 10 NFL QB (and that’s not debatable) in McNabb, we have what looks to be a bona fide legitimate NFL starter in Kolb, and a former #1 overall pick who, if he regain his form of years ago, is yet another QB who would start on more than half the teams in this league. I’m extremely excited at this point.
If I’m the Eagles GM, Kolb right now is untouchable. I’d have to be totally blown away with a great offer to even consider it – I’m not even sure I’d take a 1 for him right now. I realize that yeah, it’s been 2 games, and he played against 2 below average defenses, but good QB’s don’t just grow on trees, and the Eagles have so much time invested in grooming him that it would be a complete waste of time and effort to just deal him for a pick.
McNabb will be 33 in November. He’s our guy this year. He’s probably our guy next year, but I’m not so sure about 2011. He wins a championship in the next 2 years, I have to imagine he stays. If he doesn’t, I think it’s Kolb’s team.
As for Vick, I’d love to see him light someone up one week and boost his value. There’s a lot of crappy QB’s out there, and if Vick can show that he can be what he was a few years ago, maybe we can deal him for… a 2? A 1? Who knows?
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
On a side note...
That draft day trade with Dallas is looking a lot better. Dallas got Anthony Spencer – We got Kevin Kolb and Stewart Bradley. Not bad.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
2 starts
against poor defenses does not a HOF-er make.
That being said, I think Kolb will be a fine QB, espicially in the West Coast system like this. He certainly rests a lot of worries I have had about not being able to start. I’m not ready to say he’s going to be a full time starter in this league, but I’m not ready to say he’s not, either.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
We need to calm down.
Perhaps Kolb is not as bad as I thought. Perhaps he is. As NJBammer said, two starts against poor defenses does not a hall of famer make. Some of you are ready to drive him to Canton. Donovan is LIGHT YEARS better than Kolb, but when he gets off to his traditional slow start, some idiots will start screaming for Kolb. With the number of teams seeking decent QB help, it would be prudent to trade Kolb for picks (Al Davis, I’m looking in your direction) and keep Donovan for years to come. He’s still young and how long do you intend to keep Kolb on the shelf? 4 more seasons?
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
While I agree you keep McNabb at all costs at some point they will need to make the switch over and McNabbs health has to be a part of the decision making process. I don’t ever want to see McNabb wear another teams Jersey but that’s my emotions talking.
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Okay, so then here's my question
We both agree that Donovan is the best QB for this team. When’s the switch over? Donovan’s unrelated-to-each-other injuries aside, he takes good care of himself and I can see him playing well into his late 30’s. What happens to Kolb then? Do you see Kolb developing into the type of weapon that McNabb is?
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
I dont' see Kolb even sniffing McNabbs draws, but he can develope to be a good player.
Breese should be his role model, and how he makes the best of what he is.
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I see Kolb
as a developing into a good QB in this league…I don’t see the skill set that McNabb has, and I can’t imagine that he will ever find the success that McNabb has found…however, McNabb’s success has often come b/c of his incredible talent…
Kolb may find success b/c of a stronger supporting cast around him
McNabb is our man, the best QB to win now…if we don’t get to the Superbowl these next two years, I think (and I may eat my words) that I’d be willing to move on
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Wow, we agree partially for the first time.
I think that St Luis has gotta be calling.
Although, we keep taking away from Kolb’s performance by saying they were bad Defenses. In his defense, if McNabb had produced the same, the bad defense arguement would have never been brought up. We would be talking about how great McNabb looked. As every good QB put up numbers on bad teams. Just look at Peyton Manning and how he kills bad teams and pad up those stats. Why not Kolb.
Also, even though previous backups have performed will for us while McNabb has been hurt, I can’t recall any backups totally dominating any teams. (Not Garcia, Feeley, Detmer), although they were all efficient, non dominated like Kolb.
Also, consider that at this point, Kolb is ranked # 12 in the entire NFL in passing, ahead of Eli and some other QB, that being said, he played less time that most players that where top 10.
Not a bad start I would say.
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah, and think of what St Louis and Oakland would give for Kolb
Two HORRIBLE front offices (at least in the past 5 years), two wretched franchises, two teams with absolutely nothing at the QB position. I think everyone agrees with the fact that Jamarcus is a big time bust…and let me throw the Titans into the mix. How long can Kerry “I’ve had way to many Tom” Collins’ continue to STAND, much less play QB? Vince Young is trash, and the Titans are desperate
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
that would be a feather in Andy's hat if he trades him to Oakland.
Being Russell was rated #1, and Eagles had Kolb ranked #2 above Quinn. Andy knows QB, gotta give him that.
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I think Vince is trash too
but I also think he’ll be starting to Tennessee within a few weeks
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
kolb
kolb will most likely be the starter next season .. mcnabb gets one more shot to win the superbowl .. at the very most mcnabb comes back for next year .. kolb is and has been our future qb .. ive been saying it for weeks .. after the detroit game everyone was saying he was a joke .. he sucks .. play garcia etc. evil banner said he wasnt an nfl qb .. there was very few people who defended kolb .. now all of a sudden you all love him .. thank u evil banner ..atleast ur sticking to ur opinion that u dont think kolb is the greatest thing ..i respect that .. i disagree tho .. i wouldnt trade kolb for a first right now .. hes better than matt cassell .. and he is a smiliar situation to aaron rodgers
by jack is better than asante on Sep 28, 2009 1:04 PM EDT up reply actions
I think most people on BGN
have been solid Kolb supporters…at least they weren’t quick to throw him under the bus without any starts
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
what
come on bro .. me yophillybro and like 3 others tops .. everyone else threw him under the bus .. yophilly back me up on this .. how many people were with us .. we were the only one defending kolb .. after week one no one even wanted him to start!
by jack is better than asante on Sep 28, 2009 1:59 PM EDT up reply actions
Whodie126 stepped in, and Jalarsen1 chimed in.
But there was a hand full of morons coming out the woodwork chirping about the picks, and the 100 garbage time yards.
I would say about 5-8, all BGN vets though, there weren’t many new people applauding Kolb.
But before the saints game, only about 4 or 5 max.
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before Kolbs starts, most absolutely trashed Kolb, and kept refering to Baltimore.
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thats wha im saying .. it was prob like90 percent of the people .. the same 90 percent who trashed justice .. atleast evil banner says he still dont like him .. i respect evil banner .. he dont change his opinion like that ..
by jack is better than asante on Sep 28, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah, its good when people stick by their guns.
Dawk says it was n’t that bad, I guess I gotta believe him, but I remember most trashing Kolb, but maybe I have selective memory. I fealt like I was on an island. At least before the NO game, most were questioning why we started Kolb instead of Garcia.
However, most vets (90%) did support Kolb, dispite of the Garcia signing. The vets here really know football. This site is way more objective and informed that WIP. They don’t know football. I bet Angelo can’t tell you want a cover to is.
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I was one of those who said I was not impressed with Kolb. But I also added that I supported him and would keep an open-mind but my expectations were VERY low. I was pleasantly surprised and can admit I was semi-wrong. Its still hard to judge someone by only playing two games. But I’ll give him the benefit of the doubt from now on cause he has deserved it.
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I am first
to admit i was a Kolb hater. But “Honey Kolb” has showed he can play. I still want to see him play a really good “D”…. but he really impressed me Sunday. +1 to you YPB you’ve been saying it for a while now.
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I'd like to keep Kolb
But if he plays well, say, in a few more games this year, do you really think he’ll just up and resign with the Birds? Or test the market? There are plenty of dumb teams out there that would overpay for him with a contract than they would in trade.
Minnesota would be perfect. Favre would be gone, so they’d have $25M back in their pockets. Same system, good run game and O line to keep him safe. Seattle’d be nice to. Maybe even San Francisco or Arizona
He’d be dumb not to test the market if he continues to even be modestly successful. Iggles may well be forced to trade one of them (McNabb or Kolb).
Plenty of dumb teams indeed
We need only to look at our recent opponents and the Matt Cassel experiment to see the flaws of poor financial moves.
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the chiefs where stupid with that Cassel deal. Like Kolb, he is a system guy.
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions
It looks like we agree for the second time.
"Right now Winston Justice is the guy...until that person gets back out there"
I still think you are evil, but can make sense sometime :P
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:13 PM EDT up reply actions
Or am I getting closer to (The Dark side)
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions
he is a RFA, he doesn't have a choice but to resign.
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by yophillybro on Sep 28, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Kolb has the same choice as anyone who signs a contract
Play out the string and head to free agency (whenever that may be — I think end of next season) or re-sign with the Eagles. Talk to Michael Lewis about those choices. Or Dawkins.
we could match, since he's RFA, so he's gotta get blown away.
Thats not impossible though. He may be due for big cash now.
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Tag him possibly
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thats top 5 number, correct? Thats killer bro.
I need to take the car for a spin before I drop that kind of cash.
What would he get in FA, I imagine he may have to be promised to start and need to redo his deal soon. If not, he will easily get Cassel type of money. That would blow us out of the water and have to step back.
If we want him cheap, they need to play him more to be sure, and redo that deal asap. Somebody will not think and throw him monster cash. If we tag him, it still a major hit.
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Kolb picked a good time to get hot.
He can storm in the front office at the end of the year and offer to go RFA and argue that he will sign for about 7 mil at Seattle, and Seattle just pays the compensation on that.
At least we can match, maybe we can figure this out before these numbers take off. Like Cassels did.
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If you a Seattle, Tenn, StL, Oak,
Do you draft McCoy of Bradford, of trade for Kolb who is trained, kinda proven and ready to ride. Easy sell to me, especially with his stats as bloated as they are. (Dude has got Timmy Changish stats)
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what would we even want for Kolb?
I hope we keep this guy. Maybe McNabb plays til his late 30s, and maybe he misses 2-4 games every year til his late 30s. Personally, I say screw that risk. Keep Kolb — what the hell would we get for him, anyway? He’s not at peak value, doesn’t have a year of exceptional play under his belt a la Cassel, but it’s obvious that he has the talent to be a star in this league.
If you have that type of player, the last thing you do is trade him before he hits peak talent. Right now, the team that Kevin Kolb is most valuable to is the Philadelphia Eagles. If anyone goes, I suspect it will be Vick (salary issues + the fact that he is not our type of QB, and we currently have him in to run a package Donovan could just as easily run… Vick’s a luxury, as opposed to Kolb, who is a necessity).
Matt Schaub
This reminds me of the falcons situation with Matt Schaub so much, I just looked and they ended up getting two second rounders and swapped firsts with the texans to get rid of him.
He was a third round pick.
Atlanta is in good shape now, but if Matt Ryan wouldn’t have worked out would they regret this trade. Quarterbacks are so important I really am not sure how to approach this situation in the future, though I dont think the Eagles will lose McNabb to a prison sentence.
by Tron79 on Sep 28, 2009 12:32 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
This is a good point
And Alon’s too. What did Feeley have, 4 good games? And Miami flipped us a 2nd? No way that happens again without some serious evaluations on the part of any team interested in Kolb. Schaub had a whole lot of pub around him for years as “the best backup in the NFL” (why, I never knew). But if the Birds can get 2 2nds for him — unlikely — they may well pull the trigger on that. But like Tron pointed out, I wouldn’t like to regret that decision once McNabb goes down for a LONG time and all we have is Adam DiMichele and probably Feeley again.
The part that worries me is that the Eagles may not hold his rights when he’s at his peak value. If he plays out until he hits UFA, then they’ll have to bid for him…to have him play backup for another 2-3 years? Kolb won’t want any part of that if he can start somewhere else. Best case scenario, he’s just good enough for teams not to pay too much attention. Worst case, he’ll be in high demand and so will McNabb, and we’ll have to make a tough choice or which UFA to pay.
first 100 votes in
34% think Kolb is QB of the future
30% think he should start somewhere other than Philly, but is definately a starter.
So far, 64% think Kolb should be a starter in the NFL.
7% think Kolb isn’t a starter, but love him as our back up.
So in total, 71% are please with Kolb, think he should either start, or just like him enough for our team.
2% think he is a bum, but still an NFL qb, just as a backup.
27 % are still undecided. Need to see more
No one believes he is not an NFL QB, only 2
In total
71% approve of Kolb,
27% need to see more to appove,
2% disapprove of him,
100% believe he belongs somewhere in the NFL.
Congratulations to Kolb for working on getting the fans approval.
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Imagine what McNabb would have done as a rookie QB had he had a DeSean Jackson or Brent Celek as his weapons. He had Jed Weaver, Torrance Small and Charles Johnson.
yeah, Kolb is given a much better team than McNabb. Its sad for McNabb.
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Andy finally started addressing offense, after 8 years. He always drafted Linement and Dbacks.
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Well, I understand why, because the O-line is so important for everything he does, but a WCO desperately needs a playmaking TE, which the Eagles have not really had during much of Andy’s tenure. And no need to rehash the WR saga; it’s really quite amazing what McNabb did with so little for such a long time there, but it probably was helped out by much of the NFC East being so bad in the early aughts.
I must have some sort of attachment disorder. I don’t want them to trade Kolb because he’s growing, he knows Reids system and he has proved himself capable of playing when we need him to step up. But I don’t see McNabb going anywhere either. Vick will be traded the end of this year and Garcia will be released soon. I don’t see Big Red putting in all this work with Kolb, to trade him and start all over. I guess we’ll all just have to wait and see. Maybe its not an attachment disorder but just me being selfish :-)
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we have reached 200 votes.
72% approve of Kolb as a NFL QB, and wouldn’t mind him with the Eagles.
26 % still undecided
Kolb has really won over some fans.
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For anyone who is wondering how the majority of this site felt before the Saints game:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/9/15/1032430/garcia-or-kolb
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/9/13/1028998/like-it-or-not-kolbs-the-man
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