Expectations for Kevin Kolb against the Saints
While we aren't yet sure that Kevin Kolb will make his first NFL start this Sunday against the Saints... most signs seem to be pointing that way. So the question we ask now is, what performance can we expect from Kolb this Sunday and what performance is acceptable?
There's two major stints in the McNabb/Reid era in which backup QBs came in and did what we all agreed was a good job. There was also the year Mike McMahon filled in for McNabb, but we dare not speak of that time...
Let's take a look at those stints after the jump...
The first was was when second year man A.J. Feeley started his first NFL game in week 13 of the 2002/2003 season.
In 5 starts Feeley threw 5 picks and 5 TDs. He averaged 6.5 yards per pass. He fumbled twice. He threw for just under 200 yards a game & had a QB rating of 75.
Most importantly, he went 4-1. Overall, Feeley's numbers weren't very impressive, but his record was and in the end that's what matters for a backup QB. Whether he makes plays or just limits mistakes, if a backup QB leaves Sunday with a win people are going to be happy.
The other notable McNabb fill in was of course, Jeff Garcia in 2006/2007. Kanye West was especially impressed with Garcia...
In 5 starts(not including the final game where he was pulled after just one series), Garcia threw 9TDs and just 2 INTs with an impressive QB rating of 105.8.
Again, most importantly he went 4-1. Easily the most impressive stat for either of those guys is their win and loss record. So what constitutes an acceptable start from Kolb if these are the benchmarks? Certainly if he plays more like Garcia did, we'll probably start to look favorably on his chances to be the eventual starter on this team. If he plays more like Feeley, I doubt may people will complain if that means the Eagles win.
In the end, that's pretty much all Kolb has to do Sunday to make most Eagles fans happy with him. He just has to win.
Now, certainly Kolb could still look pretty impressive in a loss. For me, that would include being virtually turnover free. Turnovers have been Kolb's #1 problem in the few spurts of action he's seen in his career & if he can just prevent that, then I'll feel that he's at least taken a step in the right direction even if the Eagles lose.
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This Kanye West stuff is already getting old
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by The Legend on Sep 19, 2009 12:22 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Kevin Kolb
Total Games played – 8
Total Games he actually played IMO – 2.5
Total Sacks – 4
Total Fumbles – 3
Total INT – 4
Total Rushing Yds – 4
Total Yds – 167
Comp/Attempts – 24/45 (53%)
TD – 0
And we expect him to do what?
I want at LEAST 1 TD. Is that asking too much?
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by Eaglesgrl5 on Sep 19, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i actually really really love kolb. i like this kid a lot, alotta potential but if he doesnt do good in this game against a mediocre saints D then ill hve lost my faith in him
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Sep 19, 2009 12:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
garcia was on the streets on 6 days ago. he was signed for emergency purposes only. think about it. if kolb were to go down during a game, who replaces him? mcnabb? no, he’s injured. vick? no, he’s suspended. he’s an emergency qb, that’s it.
by awd777 on Sep 19, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy crap.
Why is it that only a minority of you people get the fact that Kolb does not have to win this game. He doesn’t have to throw 50 times to win the game. And when this offense was installed on wednesday, I guarantee they’re taking that into account. We probably will see a very balanced offense to start the game and depending on how he’s doing it’ll either get more pass oriented or run oriented later in the game.
Garcia will not enter this game unless Kolb is injured. Let me repeat that because some of you and the Saints fans can’t seem to figure that out. We have 2 count em 2 QB’s this week. One healthy and one to ensure that if one goes down with an INJURY we won’t have to start Desean Jackson at QB (He is our “extra” emergency backup by the way).
This will be the first REAL game where the offense was installed to suit a Kolb led offense, not a donovan led offense.
So as a recap, we don’t need a stellar performance out of Kolb to win the game. If you think that we do, you’re forgetting that we happen to have an excellent defense and a pretty good special teams crew. If you don’t believe that will win a game for you, I suggest you look at the Pittsburgh game from last year, our offense was mediocre and the Defense and Special teams came up big for the win.
I think Kolb will do fine. He’ll manage the game and that’s all I’m expecting out of his first start in the NFL. BTW, for all you people saying he stinks, just remember that the one guy we should listen to in Reid says he’s pretty good. Bear in mind the fact that Reid is the guy who coached Farvre and also though McNabb was pretty good too.
So until I see evidence to the contrary in a game where Kolb actually starts, I think we’re going to murder the lousy Saint bast__rds on sunday. We’re gonna hold onto them by the nose and we’re going to kick them in the ass. We’re gonna kick the hell out of the all the time, and we’re gonna go through ’em, like crap through a goose!
by thwalls on Sep 19, 2009 3:14 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Hear hear
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by midnitegreen on Sep 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is what I have been saying. Kolb doesn’t need to be outstanding. We can run the ball very effectively if our coaches don’t decide to be pass happy as usual.
by eaglesinmd on Sep 20, 2009 9:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I love the picture...
I do
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by CasperzGhost on Sep 19, 2009 4:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
kolb and garcia
if andy is smart, he starts kolb,keep him in unless he starts to get sacked, or is throwing interceptions(which he prone to do), at that point pull him and put garcia in, he knows the playbook plus he has seen drew brees a few more times from being on tampa bay, if they keep it close and play the way they did last week , there is no reason they cannot beat the saints
by joeyk46 on Sep 19, 2009 4:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
And then when Garcia gets injured, we can put in Dorenbos. I always thought he had a good arm from the way he snaps the ball.
Even if Kolb throws 6 INTs and 0 TDs by the 3rd quarter, Kolb is NOT being pulled. I know that’s not the crux of your argument but that notion of Kolb or Garcia is driving me nuts.
by thwalls on Sep 19, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh my lord! Someone actually gets it!
Garcia is nothing but an extra body in this game, period. Kolb is the man for this game people, so get used to it.
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by southjersey89 on Sep 19, 2009 8:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank you!!! i’m tired of espn and wip saying that garcia is here to challenge kolb.
garcia is here because you can’t play a game with one quarterback. garcia was cut from the RAIDERS. the guy is not the savior of the team. he’s here for emergency purposes.
by awd777 on Sep 19, 2009 9:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Prediction
Kolb 18-24-224 2 TD’s 1 Pick Eagles win 34-24
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by oldasquick on Sep 19, 2009 4:50 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
thats just silly
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Sep 19, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I have him 20-28, 226, 2 TDs (one to celek, one to westbrook on a screen)
I also vote we bomb it on the first play of the game. They’d never see it coming.
by eagleyosh on Sep 19, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s also silly
I’ll go conservative…
15-27 199 yards 1 TD, 1 INT, sacked twice
A poor game, but not the worst game ever
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by IronHank on Sep 19, 2009 5:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're right
looking at it, I didn’t realize that I gave him nearly 70% completion. I looked at 18/24 and decided to go a little bit worse than that without really paying attention too much. Put me down for 17/29, 220 yards….I stick by my 2 TDs, but maybe throw in an INT. also, I still say we should bomb it on play one
by eagleyosh on Sep 19, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
flea flicker to Baske… oops
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by IronHank on Sep 19, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
77-3, All 3 of the Saints QB’s are taken out for the season on 3 consecutive sack plays by Trent Cole and Kevin Kolb rushes for 450 yards, 0-5 passing with 5 Interceptions.
by UnclaimedFright on Sep 19, 2009 6:20 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Vick in a Kolb jersey maybe?
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by Sabonis4Ever on Sep 19, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Andy not only disguises the plays, he disguises the players.
by UnclaimedFright on Sep 19, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’ll actually be Andy at QB…in a corset and everything.
by thwalls on Sep 19, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I have rooted for the Eagles for over 40 years. Don’t really understand all this criticism of Kolb. While he did throw an interception in the end zone in Baltimore, he did drive the team up the field to the end zone. I do not know what Kolb will do but I am hopeful (I really wonder if most fans are hopeful) that Kolb will do fine and we will have a great backup quaterback this year!
by DeanH on Sep 19, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m tired of the Kolb haters too. It’s one thing to hate on a quarterback when he’s warming the bench, but now that he’s tasked with helping us win this game, how about we show some support instead of saying “Kolb blows”
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by southjersey89 on Sep 19, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haters Hate
Can’t really change them. Something to do with an unhappy childhood and no breast milk.
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by oldasquick on Sep 19, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yes he deserves to die, and I hope he burns in hell!!!!
No but seriously the witchhunts have to stop. I mean I love watching people being belligerent as much as the next, but the guy is trying to help the team win.
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by soman319 on Sep 19, 2009 9:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree some of this criticism is absurd, but he needs to show something today. He doesn’t have to be outstanding, but he needs to do a decent job and not turn the ball over.
by eaglesinmd on Sep 20, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Kolb
has been the most positive player I have ever seen on this team. Ever since the day he was drafted, everything he’s said is beyond classy.
He’s a winner. He WANTS to win. He WANTS the team to succeed. Give him a chance to finally start. Give him a chance to show that he can have what it takes to be a starting QB in this league.
I believe in him. You should, too.
by LegendKnight22 on Sep 19, 2009 10:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So was Doug Pederson
Positive player and all that ballyhoo. How’d that turn out?
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by TexasLax on Sep 20, 2009 12:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh boo
You would put that on me
=P
by LegendKnight22 on Sep 20, 2009 11:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
college
I like how he looked in college from what I’ve seen (not all that much), he could be a pretty efficient West-coast QB, we’ll see but I’m not convinced of his ineptness just yet.
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by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Sep 19, 2009 10:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've heard from four people so far
Some variation of, “He ran a more complicated offense than the WCO in college.” That’s BS people. Don’t tell me Art Briles system at U of H was/is more complicated than Andy Reid’s WCO. Art Briles was coaching High School three years before. Please quit using that as validation that Kolb is OK here, that’s not valid.
That being said, here’s the point where the proverbial rubber hits the road. All this debate, arguing, hand thrashing, hair pulling will begin to be answered tomorrow. The real question may not be what does Andy do tomorrow if Kolb shites the bed, its what does Andy do next week if kolb fails. Do you pull Kolb after one wek and start Vick? Do you start Garcia? Do you start Kolb and run Vick in the WildDog formation? Or do we all just pray that Donovan’s healthy by then?
"Sometimes, children, fear is an appropriate response"
by TexasLax on Sep 20, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I see Kolb’s first start somewhere in between garcia and feeley. I mean i’m hopeful his development allows him to surpass both of their stints at QB for us, but for his first game i’ll just be grateful for a win. Just get us through the week and I’ll be happy.
As for all of the people bringing up garcia in conversation: stop it. He comes in if kolb is injured, end of story. If you’re cut by the raiders, especially at the qb position, you won’t (and i dont want you) be starting, or playing for that matter, unless there is an injury.
by Q27 on Sep 20, 2009 1:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We’ve had plenty of wins where McNabb has played like crap, so all we really need is Kolb to be serviceable, don’t turn the ball over (fingers crossed), and let the defense and runningbacks control the show.
by SJPhillyVT on Sep 20, 2009 11:10 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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