Like it or not, Kolb's the man.

by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 7:46 PM EDT Comment 52 comments

Alright. Week one is over, and our beloved Philadelphia Eagles slaughtered the Carolina Panthers. Whoopdeedoo. It still only counts for one win. There's 15 more games to play, and now Donovan McNabb cracked a Donovan McRib. Kevin Kolb is coming in, because he is our backup QB. We'll probably sign someone (possibly A.J. Feeley) to play backup to him this week.

Despite the obvious fact that the Eagles cut Feeley, some of you are saying he should be signed and start. Kolb's not good enough. Really? Are you sure? Sure, he has done a decent job in the past, at times, but he's not good, and there's no reason he should play over Kolb.

Feeley's career passing stats? 55.9% completions, 6.1 YPA, and more career INTs than TDs. That's not someone whom we should trust with the fate of our team.

Kolb is young, and he's seen action in TWO WHOLE NFL games. Those aren't games that he had a week of preparation with the first team, either. Those are games he came in for McNabb. This is our first TRUE look at Kolb.

Unless John Madden is browsing our site, I really doubt any of you know more about football, quarterbacks, and talent evaluation than Andy Reid. Andy Reid has a huge amount of faith in Kolb. Kolb will have a whole week of preparation and he's armed with the knowledge that he will be starting, instead of entering a game cold and at a moment's notice. He's facing a porous New Orleans Saints defense that wouldn't be able to stop the Florida Gators from scoring.

A lot of you ready to give up on Kolb are guys that gave up on Winston Justice. I'd say he played pretty damned good today. Trust our front office, trust our players, and give them a chance. Why? Well, for one, you don't have much of a choice :)

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Good point

your right about Justice Im guilty of that- my appologies BGNr’s
I would like to say thats not like me but I do not want Kolb behind center- I dont have faith in the guy, I cant help it…

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Sep 13, 2009 7:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I never gave up on Justice, and I refuse to give up on Andrews

But Kolb is a totally lost cause. He’s really, really bad at quarterback.

by cwel87 on Sep 13, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Don't throw out stats

Because pocket presence isn’t a stat. Kolb has none, Feeley does.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Sep 13, 2009 7:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

You’re right. Let’s throw out objective things like facts and quantifiable information, and go on your opinion that A.J. Feeley has better “pocket presence”, however you define that.

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Stats mean shit

Stat: Eagles had 200 yards total this game. Did the offense suck?

See I can throw stats out there too. I have seen Feeley lead this team to victories (when not throwing crappy INTs) when he had a good cast around him.

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by Joe_D on Sep 13, 2009 8:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

And I’ve seen him be the cause of losses. See, subjective bullcrap works both ways, dude.

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You haven't learned?

Stats are a very good tool. They help indicate possible outcomes. It isn’t really that new of a thing. Baseball has been using them forever…

by topcat6 on Sep 13, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

But can mislead

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by Joe_D on Sep 13, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I think it’s a better basis for evaluation than opinionated observation…

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You have no quantifiable statistics to indicate Kolb is anything but a complete failure

Small sample size makes him completely irrelevant in the statistics department. Therefore, we can use human opinion to form some quick thoughts on his play. And his play sucks Ed Reed’s left nut.

by cwel87 on Sep 13, 2009 10:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, so it’s possible to determine that a player isn’t capable of carrying a team as a starter after 45 career attempts? Dude, I hope you post a lot more often. You’re making me feel really smart.

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 10:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i couldnt

have said it better

by donovanmcnabb on Sep 14, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

to cwel not the other guy

by donovanmcnabb on Sep 14, 2009 12:13 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mcnabb Might play

Mcnabb might play next week. He is a fast healer and is very tough. I see him starting next week.

by wyatt5 on Sep 13, 2009 8:01 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Im not that high on the guy

If McNabb isn’t better by week three I want to see Vick

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-Andy Reid

by BroadStBullies on Sep 13, 2009 8:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wouldn't be suprised

if Donny came back week 5. Probably won’t be ready for the NO game, if he’s still not well and the chiefs seem like a beatable opponent it’s possible they sit him again, focus a little more on getting vick in a groove in the offense, then come back and start after the bye. I’d love to see him earlier, but if we get him back 100% week five i’d be okay with that

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by The Badassador on Sep 13, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

just a thought

Jeff garcia IS STILL a UFA …why not sign him? He did well for s when he was here and he knows the system….AND hes better than both Feeley and Kolb

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by northern eagle on Sep 13, 2009 8:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Because he’s old and hasn’t practiced with half our team?

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kolb is ten times worse then the Garcia option

At minimum. Garcia’s a winner (proven, look up those statistics, Mr. “Stathead”), and Kolb does nothing productive with the offense.

Oh wait, you’d rather scream “STATS!” when we’re dealing with Feeley and yell “AGE!” when dealing with Garcia. Go give your boyfriend a handjob, and then ask him to suck. He’s pretty experienced in that department.

by cwel87 on Sep 13, 2009 10:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oh, wow, nice fucking hostility. That’ll earn you some cool points. Alright, here’s some stats: Jeff Garcia hasn’t been on the Eagles in two years. You don’t bring in a QB off the streets and say “Here you go. We need you to start this week. Thx ^^”

Seriously though, Google “ad hominem” :D

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 10:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Oops. It’s technically not ad hominem. Really, it’s just baseless internet rage. I can’t understand what would make a person so hostile towards someone they’ve never met. Maybe your parents should’ve hugged you more or something. Oh well.

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 10:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

seriously

you’re an idiot! Not just because I disagree with your assessment of Kolb (which, really is an evaluation of a couple drives in meaningless situations like this game, or a couple poor decisions in the middle of effective play like Baltimore last year) but because you seem unable to control your emotions while sitting in your own home in front of a computer.

With the defense that McDermott is calling, the way our O-Line played against an aggressive Panthers Def, and the cast of weapons around him…we don’t need Kolb to win the game. We simply need him not to lose it.

He deserves a shot to practice with the starters, knowing the game is his.

Half the reason Garcia was effective was because we changed our offensive scheme to fit his skill set. We ran the ball more, and ran short quick pass options…we took the game out of Garcia’s hands where we usually leave it in McNabbs. I think we’ll do the same with Kolb…I expect a win on Sunday regardless of who plays QB, but I’m for Kolb

GET MCNABB HEALTHY!!!

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by jalarsen1 on Sep 14, 2009 11:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

we would sign him to play backup for one week.

not what garcia necessarily has in mind either.

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by The Badassador on Sep 13, 2009 8:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

its better than sitting home

isnt it?

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by northern eagle on Sep 13, 2009 8:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kolb will start if McNabb's out, and should.

Am I completely comfortable with him, no. Am I any more comfortable with Feeley, no. If the Eagles sign Feeley, it’s strictly as a backup, the guys not starting and he shouldn’t. When Feeley “led” the Eagles to the playoffs after McNabb and Detmer went down he was younger and they dumbed the offense down to peewee football pace. When he tried his hand other places (Miami, SD) it was revealed how truly mediocre he was. Do I like Feeley? Sure. He’s a likeable guy. Should he start? no way. will he start if hes signed? no way. If Reid did that it’d pretty much be him admitting Kolb as a failure. I’m not some huge Kolb supporter but I feel like we should be behind whoever is under center. and if that’s Kolb, so be it. Give him a chance. Sure, the Baltimore game wasn’t very pretty, but honestly, did anyone expect any better? He was thrown to the dogs. If the kid starts I’m on board. Feeley is a solid pickup for his backup. But let’s stop the “start Feeley” non sense cause its not happening.

by Q27 on Sep 13, 2009 8:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I’m not some huge Kolb supporter but I feel like we should be behind whoever is under center. and if that’s Kolb, so be it. Give him a chance. Sure, the Baltimore game wasn’t very pretty, but honestly, did anyone expect any better? He was thrown to the dogs.

Exactly. It’s funny how similar it is to the situation with WInston Justice. Our starter gets hurt, and he goes in against Osi, one of the best pass rushers in the game. Then some people hold it against him forever because he didn’t play well in the only regular season action they’ve seen him in.

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 8:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Winston was different

Winston was thrown in front of Osi for his first and only start and blew it
Kolb has had a few chances, and in none of them has he shown ANY sign of him being a good QB. He played against a beaten and exhausted D today and shown awful accuracy, pocket presense and desision makeing. He was given the reins to arguably the best weapondry in the NFL and couldnt do anything with it.
Justice just got pushed around by arguably the best DE in the NFL (with exception to T Cole). he went up againts another one of the best for his 2nd ever start (Peppers) and has show a great improvement
Where is Kolbs improvement? what has he done to give us faith in him.
Im guilty of doubting Jutice but he proved me wrong- Kolb has not yet and if Im reid Im not willing to keep giving the kid chances with the cost of a loss eary in the season

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Sep 13, 2009 9:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Kolb has played in two games. That’s less than Justice has played in before today…

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 9:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont like kolb

but my mistake I thought he played in a few last yr

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Sep 13, 2009 9:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wait, I was wrong. He played in garbage time vs. the Rams, he had 3 pass attempts vs. the Steelers, and 2 attempts against the Browns.

So, he had a few more appearances than I thought, but his only appearances for more than a drive or two were against the Giants and the Panthers today.

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 9:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I just feel as though

he should have come along more by now
Winston has shown improvement Kolb hasnt and he had everything going for him today (from a weapon standpoint and going against a sub par secondary) where Justice had a lights out day against Peppers

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Sep 13, 2009 9:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was still coming in unexpectedly after not practicing with the first team offense. Give it a week, watch how he plays after a full week of prep and the knowledge that he’s starting, then evaluate. Kevin Kolb will likely start an NFL game for the first time in his career. This will be our best look at him. We can disregard the other stuff because this will be a much better basis for evaluation, because he will be performing under the exact same conditions as other NFL starters. All I am suggesting is to support him while he’s our QB and reserve your judgment til then :)

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by yomjoseki on Sep 13, 2009 9:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

fair enough yomjoseki

but it doesnt mean im going to like it…

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Sep 13, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

He was still coming in unexpectedly after not practicing with the first team offense. Give it a week, watch how he plays after a full week of prep and the knowledge that he’s starting, then evaluate.

i agree

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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Sep 14, 2009 2:09 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Winston was thrown in front of Osi for his first and only start and blew it
Kolb has had a few chances, and in none of them has he shown ANY sign of him being a good QB

the only game that anyone really remembers is the one against baltimore. that was the QB equivalent to being put up against osi, only with no prep and baltimore’s D being a bigger challenge than Osi.

i won’t defend today too much, but will say he once again had no prep.

by eagleyosh on Sep 13, 2009 9:43 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs

yeah your right

and they were rolling on all cylinders
But he hasnt improved since then… I just havent seen that glimps of hope from him

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Sep 13, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You're both right ...

… Kolb hasn’t entered a game in ideal conditions, but he hasn’t done anything in his limited work to excite us for when he does.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Sep 13, 2009 11:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

did u play D3 ball?

RIP JJ

by MeanGreen5 on Sep 13, 2009 11:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i dont dislike kolb at all. i hope he will be a stud if he needs to step in for mcnabb, because thats what we need him to do. havent seen him start one full game yet so i wont make any negative/positive comments about him

eff you we winning anyway

by eagleswin on Sep 13, 2009 9:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Here's a thought...

… some time after Kolb put up some real shitty stats today, Troy Aikman was talking about his first season playing for Dallas. Now you can tell from my screen name that I’m no fan of Dallas, but look at these rookie year stats on Aikman:

“He finished 1989 with an 0-11 record as a starter, completing 155 of 293 passes for 1,749 yards, 9 TDs, 18 INTs.”

As bad as the Cowboys were at that time, Aikman absolutely had to suck balls to put up a record like that, yet he still turned out to be slightly above average quarterback (hey he was a cowboy, I’m never gonna admit he was good).

The guy had some developing to do, and I’m sure that plenty Dallas fans were screaming for him to be cut just some people on BGN are calling for Kolb’s release. I’m not saying that Kolb is going to be an Aikman and I’m not saying he’s gonna be a Ryan Leaf.

What I am saying is that Andy Reed showed us something again today, something that he has been showing us on a pretty regular basis and that is the big guy has a clue. I’m gonna trust him on this.

I trust him on Justice, on Shawn Andrews and I trust him on Kolb. If AR wins on two out of three here, we’ll be fine. If Kolb sucks next week, AR will deal with it, one way or another. If he puts up an average performance, great!

I have a good feeling that Drew Brees is going to find our defense a bit more of a challenge next week than the Lions. Just a bit.

by IggleGrrrreen(F-da-rest!) on Sep 13, 2009 10:33 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs

I agree

We don’t know Kolb, Andy does…the Eagles are good…I’ll trust an educated opinion over most of what I’m hearing here (which are emotional rants one way or another all based on the same data)…

The person with the most knowledge of Kolb, the Eagles, and football in general says he’s ready…okay…regardless of stats, and gut-level emotion…I’m willing to agree with Andy

by jalarsen1 on Sep 14, 2009 11:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

My point on Kolb is this ...

… if you can’t throw screens and the 5-yard routes that Andy calls and manage one single game, then you don’t really need to be on an NFL roster.

It’s on Marty and Andy to stay within this guy’s skill set and put us in position to win.

If that means Westy gets 20 carries and McCoy gets 12 and Weaver gets 8, then that’s what it means. Kolb is not obligated to throw 40 passes like we do when McNabb is in.

Also, while he hasn’t exactly lit it up, Kolb, as others have pointed out, has never had a chance to practice all week as the starter and get those reps and attention to detail in practice. He’s never has the peace of mind that comes with knowing all week you’re going to play, and warming up, rather than sitting there and hearing “Kevin, get loose.”

Put me on record as saying this will be Kolb’s best game in an Eagles uniform. It might not overwhelm, in fact it probably won’t. I hope the play calls don’t put too much on him and we rely on the D to win.

But I think dude might be capable of not sucking.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Sep 13, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

realism > optimism

But I think dude might be capable of not sucking.

if he starts, which he should, then i think he can have a decent game, run the offense and let the defense do its job

in reality thats all we can ask for

RIP JJ & HK
Let the future judge Michael Vick

by BadCo'09 on Sep 14, 2009 12:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

True

We have a cast around him that won’t force Kolb to carry the game on his shoulders. We don’t need him to win…we just need him not to lose.

The reason for Garcia’s success here was the change in the offensive scheme to fit his skill set. If Kolb starts, Andy and Marty will gear the game so he’s in the best position to perform..

by jalarsen1 on Sep 14, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

yeah and if KOLB does come in next week and starts and has a kick ass game , everybody will be singing a different tune , not saying that he will .. but it would be nice if he could actually start and finish a game to judge him

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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Sep 14, 2009 2:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Kolb

Kolb has an accurate long ball and can run reasonably well. Mcnabb Throws a great long ball and can run reasonably well. Kolb loses his head when rushed and McNabb likes to hold it for the sack. As long as Kolb has time I have a feeling he will be great, but up by 4 touchdowns the eagles didnt have too much motivation when he played today because the game was over. I say we hold our tongues until he gets a start (Ravens game doesn’t count) I have loved the kid since day 1 and believe he will kickass! Maybe its just that i LOVE corn on the kolb but I still have faith!

by RossyJr22 on Sep 14, 2009 2:23 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

and the best back on the panthers goes to ?

ha ha

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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Sep 14, 2009 2:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs