A Tribute to Mr. Opposite
by GreenInBaltimore on Aug 8, 2009 3:32 PM EDT
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While reading this post, please play the "Real Men of Genious" theme song in your head.
Throught the past several months we have all shared our views on hundreds upon hundreds of topics. Some about the current Eagles, some about prospects that could become Eagles, and others about Team dealings and Camp. Throughout all of these talks, I would say that there is a Majority view, and a minority view. Most of us end up on one side of the debate, while a select few defend the other. We all seem to take our turns rotating into the "Minority" side of the debate depending on the subject...but that is not what this post is all about. This post is to pay tribute to the one individual who confidently sides with the Minority on every single topic. (In some cases, he IS the minority but that's beside the point.) He defends his side endlessly without a single statistic and will never compromise his own opinions when one of us provides facts to devalue his arguement! This ones for you JIBTA!
First off, Yes i am poking fun of you, JIBTA, but it is all in good fun. In fact, all i want to do is bring together some of your most outrageous comments and put them all together on this FanPost. I'm just reposting your own words, so i dont know how you'll be able to argue!!! (A first??)
For starters....The overused "BS" reply. heres a few.....
bs
avant is not that good
by jack is better than asante on Aug 2, 2009 10:16 AM PDT 
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no im not .. jack is a superior talent .. you guys pick on brown and hes still a good nfl wr
by jack is better than asante on Aug 1, 2009 10:05 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bs
they had a better team with bradley healthy
by jack is better than asante on Aug 3, 2009 9:35 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
bs
leave it to wild eagle to same some bs .. i wanted maclin over crabtree .. if we got nicks .. he would say the same thing .. soo biased
by jack is better than asante on Aug 5, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
just bcause all you want to trade reggie whos still has a chance to start .. its a joke .. just like you all want to cut justice .why? because he had one bad game .. thatswhy not of you are nfl coaches ..brown is our 3rd wr at worst
by jack is better than asante on Aug 6, 2009 10:29 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Then, we have the "You're Biased" posts. (One of them is already posted in an above BS post.)
jackassso biased .. herremans is not that great. . hes average .. maclin will barley play .. mccoy is not making it over steven jackson .. portis .. barber .. turner .. deangelo williams .. gore .. JACOBS!! .. westy will be lucky to make it .. mccnabb should make it .. jackson not yet .. too many good wrs in nfc .. so mcnabb peters andrews and cole .. i dont like mikell and asante but they have a good chance .. akeem jordan? hahaha dude like jordan but he may not even start
by jack is better than asante on Aug 5, 2009 10:06 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
you just dont like bertuzzi .. so you dont want him even tho he improves the team.. you want some average 4th line scrub … why not put JVR on third line .. hes better than ziggy rite now .. and ross and cote and powe
by jack is better than asante on Aug 6, 2009 10:46 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
Voted for Jack Ikegwuonu on Bleeding Green Nation - 08/06/09 10:24 PM PDT
The last one listed here isnt him saying that everyone else is biased. It's HIM showing that HE is biased. He voted for Jack on a day that everyone wrote that DJAX lit up camp! Playing favorites JIBTA?
Lastly, I am going to touch on his Opinionfacts. Yup, a new word just for JIBTA. The definition, which will eventually be found in Websters, will read. "Opinionfact: (verb); Description of strongheaded persons opinions that are only to be viewed as facts, despite lack of support. Disagreement with an opinionfact will result in belittling, BS replies, and favoritism."
nooput happ in the pen now .. get him used to being in there and pitching everyday .. hes not going to pitch in the playoffs anyways .. lee hamels blanton .. pedro or moyer may get one start .. but its going to be a 3 man rotation .. put happ in there now .. plus hes gotta be on a pitch count for the season .. hes going to break down soon .. and his stuff is not that good .. he projects as a 4th starter
by jack is better than asante on Aug 5, 2009 10:21 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
deon was old by then .. vick was the best athlete by far .. he was unstopable .. cunningham couldnt run like vick .. the man had 1000 yards in a season
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 9:52 AM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
only TO and ware and maybe witten were great on that team .. and vick was unstopable .. when u played the falcons u gameplaned all week for vick .. he was the x factor .. he never had a good team .. he had average wrs and warrick dunn .. and he made crumpler good
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 10:57 AM PDT up reply actions
vick could drop back .. take off and go 80 yards for a td .. no other qb in history could do that
by jack is better than asante on Aug 7, 2009 11:44 PM PDT up reply actions 0 recs
I really like the last one posted above. FredEx quickly replied to this comment that Vick had NEVER broken a run over 58 yards. (A fact.) Yet JIBTA continued his arguement and stayed on course! Congrats, on your overwhelming amount of perseverance!
So in the end....I have to say that BGN has become a much more interesting place since March 28, 2009. A day that i wont soon forget. A day when one of the most Argumentative Screen Names was created.
Jack Is Better Than Asante, I salute you for continuing to start fights over every single topic that is spoken of here on BGN. Your desire to disagree with the Majority is as predictable, as it is entertaining.....and i Thank You!
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I'd like to point out a flat contradiction in JIBTA's posts
You posted 1 above:
bs
leave it to wild eagle to same some bs .. i wanted maclin over crabtree .. if we got nicks .. he would say the same thing .. soo biased
by jack is better than asante on Aug 5, 2009 9:42 AM PDT reply actions 0 recs
And 2:
o bs
crabtree is a stud .. i would gladly pay him to have him over maclin .. and maclin is a far inferrior talent compared to crabtree .. and heyward bey has a higher ceiling than maclin .. hes just raw .. he doesnt run routes .. hes just big and fast .. n he was taken a little to high .. if crabtree was gone i wouldnt of knocked oaklands pick
by jack is better than asante on Aug 4, 2009 2:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
bro...
i think in the first one he was quoting wild_eagle who i strongly believe cant be more than 14 years old.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Aug 8, 2009 3:57 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
awwwww.
i feel like a jerk now.
(please note, while I disagree with him on most things, I always come to JIBTA’s defense when people say he should be kicked out)
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
i would love for him to be kicked off
I enjoy arguing sports with people. However, people who are incredibly irrational and have no points to back up an argument are the the worst people to have a debate with. That’s JIBTA. Just banter and opinion. He doesn’t challenge points with any substance of his own. I don’t know why anyone praises him… Also after hearing him call pat tillman stupid and saying he has no respect for him for putting his country before himself kind of took me off the “JIBTA is amusing” train. I’ve been riding the JIBTA is a straight up P.O.S. train.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Aug 10, 2009 1:29 PM EDT up reply actions
dude
fuck u .. i know more about sports than you ever will..jackass
by jack is better than asante on Aug 11, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions
Thanks
for proving my point immediately… another senseless comment that you can’t/won’t prove. Shocking.
What is it like being that predictable?
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Aug 11, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions
eh, he may not have facts or a reasonable
arguement all the time(actually like 99% of the time) but that 1% of the time he has a legitimate arguement its always good.
No im 17... And JIBTA was quoting me
about the I wanted maclin over crabtree.. But in my defense I saw the Crabtree holdout coming.. that kid wouldnt settle for $35mill if he was MR. irrelevent.
ohh man...
i cant wait to see the responses on this post. i’ll just get it started by saying…1) rec’d and 2) very nice my friend. very nice indeed
"Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
bs
biased..just like all you all jackass asshole eagles fans..i’m the only one who said to draft him..jibta is a stud..has a heigher ceiling than you…he should hold out..has size and speed..once he gets command of the english language..he’ll be unstopable..hes a top 10 talent…JACOBS!
by FredEx on Aug 8, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 4 recs
that made me laugh out loud in the el train right now.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Aug 8, 2009 3:51 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
that made me laugh out loud in the el train right now.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Aug 8, 2009 3:52 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
Oops... Double post my bad
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Aug 8, 2009 3:54 PM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hahahhaha
wow i give it to you .. thats hilarious
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions
we can all agree on one thing...
JIBTA has a HUGE impact/influence on BGN. i mean everybody knows his name. My signature is influenced by his screen name! Another thing we can agree on is he CLEARLY was dropped on his head as a child.
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
by Route36 on Aug 8, 2009 3:49 PM EDT via mobile reply actions
Bro
I could swear you were reading my mind because I was saving up comments by him to do the same thing. Some of the comments I saved up by JIBTA were:
*Reggie Brown is better than Curtis (he’s the best WR on the team)
*Patterson is OK. Laws will be better than Patterson.
*LeSean Mccoy is bad. Beanie Wells was the only stud running back of the draft.
*Celek is a back up at best.
*DeAngelo Williams is overrated/Stewart is the better RB
*T.O. is coming for you Rice/T.O. makes QBs better.
Good Job though. But you definitely read my mind. Thank you JIBTA for being here. We need retards like you to make comments like you do. Thats what makes sites like this.
I like JIBTA...
Sure, he’s an idiot, but I couldn’t even guess how much time he’s helped me kill at work.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
lol good stuff. JIBTA is the T.O. of BGN. A diva, a primadona, and overall a personality. We love to hate him but he keeps doing his thing. Good times guys. I wish people knew who I was as much they know JIBTA here. Granted, without the negativity associated with it.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Truthfully....
I do believe that Jack is not a good fit for our D. Don’t get me wrong. I think he’s a good CB, just in a Cover Two. Jack gets beat way to often for him to be good enough for our scheme. Of course, he is young and very undeveloped. I could see us getting a few picks off of Jack as an RFA a few years from now.
by eaglemaniac814 on Aug 8, 2009 7:14 PM EDT up reply actions
As much at me an JIBTA fight
I cant say I hate the man and mean it… So as much as I hate him I love him as a fellow eagles fan… NO HOMO
The true meaning of JIBTA
Just Interested in Being a Total Ass!!!
Great post GreeninBaltimore
Here's Another One
About Westbrook and how he’s not a top-5 running back.
o bs
shut the hell up dude .. portis is not fragile .. he is durable .. he never misses games .. he got hurt one season .. westbrook is hurt every year .. so you are getting a guy for 12-14 games max .. so yea hes not that great .. he lost that cincy game by himself because he couldnt run over a bad D .. if we had a great back .. ala AP .. he runs for 150 and two tds .. we win .. AP is not on westys level ..you talk about tiers for rbs .. well AP LT (who i hate) jackson and portis are on their on tier .. jacobs is right there too .. williams was considered a bust until this year and thats why they drafted stewart .. competition made him realize that he better perform or lose his job .. now i like williams and liked him in college .. but he is not top 5 .. and i talk a lot about westy .. but hes better than williams .. and hes still top 10 .. so im not knocking him .. but if you can have westy or jackson or portis .. its not even a decesion .. its like mcnabb vs manning .. manning easy .. doesnt mean mcnabbs not good .. so westy is ranked from 7-10 .. some where in there .. thats where he belongs
by jack is better than asante on Jul 16, 2009 5:30 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
"Each guy in here has to look in the mirror and ask themselves: " - Brian Dawkins
I like how he accuses everyone of being biased on topics such as a Westbrook, yet has Jacobs as the 2nd best RB, and thinks it’s impossible for Eli to be overrated.
On Eli I had stated “Even if you are a top 10 QB. If you are the highest paid and viewed as top 5, you can be overrated.”
no
not if your young .. won a superbowl .. are a franchise qb and play in ny
by jack is better than asante on Aug 6, 2009 1:31 PM EDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
bs
most of those quotes were taken out of context…everybody knows he is the smartest guy on here…sorry I just couldn’t help myself…ROFLMAO rec’d
by Cowboy KILLER on Aug 8, 2009 9:36 PM EDT up reply actions
its true
ny is a bigger market .. so they can afford to over pay there franchise qb a little
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:00 PM EDT up reply actions
i dont think
i dont think i ever said hes top 5 .. hes top 10 tho
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions
ok
well than westbrook is over rated too .. ill give u eli .. you give me westy .. they both are not top 5 at their positions
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:05 PM EDT up reply actions
well
look at jacobs yard per carry
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Jacobs: 5.0 YPC
Adrian Peterson: 5.0 YPC
Derrick Ward: 5.6 YPC
DeAngelo Williams: 5.5 YPC
Kevin Faulk: 6.1 YPC
Amad Bradsaw: 5.3
Tashard Choice: 5.1 YPC
Darren Sproles: 5.4 YPC
Jerious Norwood: 5.1 YPC
cough
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
exactly
how many of those are starters? exactly .. if your a starter and you average over 5 your a stud .. peterson and jacobs .. and even williams .. who i think is a lil overrated .. but the other guys get less carrys .. the more carrys the harder it is to maintain a 5.0 ypc .. if norwood gets 10 carries a game .. and breaks one for 40 .. then he has a 4.0 ypc just from that one play .. while if jacobs gets 20 carries he has to get over a 100 yards to maintain that average
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Slaton and Chris Johnson had 4.8 and 4.9 respectively and both had more attempts.
Williams trumps Jacobs in every way statically.
chris johnson
chris johnson is my boy too .. so ur going to the wrong way with that one lol
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:48 PM EDT up reply actions
Eh, westy is kinda
weird, on one hand he changes games with 1 play(look at the playoff win vs vikings.)
but when he is hurt its kinda oh no got nowhere then out of nowhere he explodes..
He is too old and hurt to often to be called top 5 but he is at like 6 or 7 in my list.
wow!!!
i agreed with wild eagle!!! i said hes 7 to 10 .. this is a first
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:31 PM EDT up reply actions
no
in any other system hes not as good .. hes ok .. hes not better than peterson or steven jackson or portis .. theres three right there .. there are more i will argue .. but those are clearly better
by jack is better than asante on Aug 10, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Peterson isnt an all purpose back, Jackson isnt
either and Portis is close enough to count…
By all purpose back I say they can run, catch, line up anywhere and be good at it all…
Westbrook fits that mold,
steven jackson is a good receiver our of the backfield.
he led the league a couple of years back, if my memory serves me correctly.
peterson
peterson > westy .. not even close
by jack is better than asante on Aug 11, 2009 2:57 AM EDT up reply actions
hey now
i stand by everything i say! reggie brown jack max jean giles .. those are all my boys .. n when reggie has a good season .. jack becomes an elite corner .. and max becomes a good guard .. i want you all to say im correct .. and i still say westbrook is the 7th to 10th best rb .. n i think thats accurate :-) n one last thing .. wild eagle you are like 10 and you lie .. if you want me to belive u wanted maclin over crabtree .. what a joke .. do you also want mason over andre johnson ?
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 10:52 PM EDT reply actions
Andre Johnson?
Gimme Todd Pinkston lol
by sowhatifitisasportste on Aug 8, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions
Rae Caruth
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
james thrash
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Aug 10, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions
that tiny white guy
walking into bestbuy?
by wild_eagle on Aug 10, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Well quite frankly
Max Jean is already a pretty good guard. Reggie already had a good season (then completely fell from grace) and Jack will become a good corner at the most…..nothing elite though, maybe like another Sheldon. I think your correct on westbrook being the 7th best pure runningback, but as an all-purpose back hes probably top 3. Great to hear from ya JIBTA.
Oh year I was ranking westy as a pure back at 6 or 7
but definantly in the top 3 as an “all-purpose back”.
Dude im 17..
I watched maclin play and I watch crabtree play.. ALOT
I think that the system Crabtree was in helped him look better than he was. No im not saying he isnt good He is a damn good athlete and in my opinion should be good at the pro level. But he is just a WR and cannot help in other area’s.
Then Maclin is a good WR also, he was in a pass happy system to and produced big numbers. He could turn a tiny screen play into an amazing play. I also liked the fact that he could lower his pads and “truck” someone when he needed to and then Had the speed to out run everyone when he needed too… Not to mention he can return Kicks and punts, so he not only helps at WR he helps at KR/PR.
Then you look at the system, Maclin IMO fit our system alot better than Crabtree, then look at the fact that Crabtree was hurt and didnt really do anything outside of his college games that helped with decision making.. Also you have to take into account that Maclin runs alot faster than Crabtree..
In short Maclin was a better fit for our system, and other things such as the ability to return punts/kicks factored in… Also I knew whoever took Crabtree once he fell out of the top 4 was still going to have to give him top 5 money or he was going to hold out.. And I saw alot of TO in him, and that was a major no-no.
Fair enough. I’ve witnessed you drop your age several times for basically no reason. I initially thought this was another one.
I said this above as well...
i think in the first one he was quoting wild_eagle who i strongly believe cant be more than 14 years old.
sometimes wild_eagle writes at middle school level, so i made that assumption. I was pretty close being only 3 years off. lol
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
Its not like JIBTA is really a paragon of proper spelling and grammer either.
by TransplantedFan on Aug 11, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions
There is a reason....
people think you are 10 bro
Felix is better than Brian. You can call me FIBTB.
TO
if hes the next TO than hes no where near maclin .. hes soo much better .. i wasnt putting him on TOs level .. who is arguably the best wr of all time
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:49 PM EDT up reply actions
tough argument
but eh, he’s at least top 10 definitely, and a strong case for top 5
still gotta give best ever to rice, and i think moss is also better than TO.
Larry Fitzgerald & Andre Johnson are both guys who could have a strong claim on that distinction too by the time their careers are done.
But don’t get me wrong… vintage T.O. is as good as any vintage WR.
hell no I would take andre johnson over all the eagles WR's
except for Jackson.. I would trade Maclin for Andre Johnson.
EH based on potential I would keep jackson
he has a ton of potential and he would definantly be behind Andre…
Based on potential Desean could be one of the the top 2 or 3 receivers in the league. That’s what Andre Johnson is now. Don’t get me wrong I love Desean, but Andre Johnson is clearly better.
no way
if you think desean has that potential your nuts .. he has borderline top 10 potential at best .. i think hes an issac bruce type .. and thats what he projects as .. and im happy with that .. hes no andre johnson
by jack is better than asante on Aug 10, 2009 12:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Hope ur right
Issac Bruce will probably end up in the HOF. Hope Desean geys there also
what!!
andre johnson and jackson arnt even close .. andre johnson is top 5 in the nfl .. desean is maybe top 20 .. maybe .. and crabtree is a far superior talent than maclin .. i like maclin .. but hes not going to be a dominant probowler .. he could be a good wr .. and make a probowl or two .. but hes not going to be the dominant probowler who makes it everyyear and is one of the best in nfl
by jack is better than asante on Aug 8, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions
Well potential wise I would like to see jackson develope as an eagle rather
switch him for A. Johnson.. They can have the rest and it could be Andre and Djax…
You cant really say whether or not Crabtree or Maclin are going to be perenial Probowlers.. You cant even say if any of them will be the best in the NFL…
And you boy TO didnt have the expectations to be a Pro-bowl caliber WR, and he didnt have the expectations to be a top tier WR.. Neither did Jacobs. Neither did Tom Brady or Kurt Warner…
but hes not going to be the dominant probowler who makes it everyyear and is one of the best in nfl
So Crabtree will?
His college system, lack of superior height, attitude, injury concern, and potential lack of speed and separation don’t worry you at all?
See and you need to look at the systems there going to be in
Crabtree assuming he signs with the 49ers wont have a QB, has no mentor to show him the way, and there a run first system…
Maclin is a potential perfect fit for the eagles west coast offense, if he is a fit he is the perfect weapon to spread the ball to. You also have to take into account that Djax will take alot of pressure off of him by drawing the double team etc. at least of now anyway.
has no mentor to show him the way
Um…49ers have Issac Bruce. He’s a future HOFer. I’m sure he would be able to mentor Crabtree.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
what
rice TO crabtree .. san fran produces wr .. its like a factory
by jack is better than asante on Aug 10, 2009 12:38 PM EDT up reply actions
You also have to take into account that Djax will take alot of pressure off of him by drawing the double team etc. at least of now anyway.
False. This stemmed from your apparent pre-draft opinion wanting Maclin over Crabtree. Either player would benefit if the D pays extra attention to Jackson.
no way
crabtree is clearly elite .. hes going to be a 1000 yard reveiver every year .. i dont see maclin doing that
by jack is better than asante on Aug 10, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions
How is Crabtree “clearly elite” when he haven’t played a snap yet? As of right now, both Maclin and Crabtree’s career is o catches for 0 yards and no touchdowns.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
The whole draft thing is unpredictable. Busts happen.
Crabtree has plenty of question marks. I don’t get the overwhelming confidence here.
no way
crabtree is better than maclin..i like maclin but .. crabtree is a stud
by jack is better than asante on Aug 11, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions
First off all:
The whole draft thing is unpredictable. Busts happen.
Crabtree has plenty of question marks. I don’t get the overwhelming confidence here.
Where does it say Maclin is better than Crabtree?
Secondly, no matter how many times you proclaim Crabtree to be a stud, I will not grant him stud status until he produces on a NFL field.
well
thats you.. he already earned stud status from me .. he projects well from college
by jack is better than asante on Aug 11, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions
he projects well from college
In your opinion, sure.
However, Mike Leach is a man. That system doesn’t translate well and all his stats are skewed. He is just under 6’1 and a half inch. He has questionable speed, which could potentially translate into trouble separating at the next level. He appears to have a terrible attitude.
A new name!!
That could be a new name for you, Crabtree is better than Maclin!
CIBTJ
Crabtree is better than Jerry
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
no
dont insult my boy like that .. no wr is better than TO
by jack is better than asante on Aug 12, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions
bs
its TO Brown and Heyward-Bey..then maybe jerry
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Aug 12, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
moss
moss and TO are one and 2
by jack is better than asante on Aug 13, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions
On a side note
Crabtree is an idiot not to sign his contract with the 49ers… He will more than likely fall out of the first or even 2nd round so whatever “rediculous” offer he got from the 49ers is going to be way more than anything he would get after re-entering the draft…
I almost hope the 49ers pick him again next year if he follows through with re-entering just to make him pissed off.
he is holding out for money when if he re-enters he would be
extreemly luck to be a 2nd round pick considering his attitude all ready, and he hasnt played in a year etc… He should be smart, sign his contract for the insane amount of money he is going to get then play his 4-5 years actually do something then hit FA and make big bucks if he really hates the 49ers
noo
yes it stupid to hold out. . JD drew did it and it worked for him .. yea thats baseball .. but crabtree would still be a late first round pick at the worst if he held out .. now would that net him more money? i dunno .. but he wouldnt be hurting as bad as you think
by jack is better than asante on Aug 10, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions
A late 1st (which might be hard to do, a year off, without anyone seeing him practice at all, and his attitude) is going to net him more money than being the 10th pick this year?
Not buying that.
Plus, if the NFL and the NFLPA actually get a new CBA in, there’s likely to be a rookie wage plan as part of it. Which means he’d get even less money.
Personally, I wouldn’t waste the draft pick on Crabtree if he did re-enter the draft. He’d probably just pull the same crap again demanding that he gets more money than whatever receiver was drafted ahead of him.
First, Singletary makes him cry and then he decides to hold out because DHB got more money and all the mock drafts had Crabtree going before DHB. Guess what bud, didn’t happen that way. Fair market value is your draft slot.
by TransplantedFan on Aug 11, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions
trade
are they allowed to trade crabtrees rights for a first rounder? is that allowed .. its never happend before
by jack is better than asante on Aug 11, 2009 3:07 PM EDT up reply actions
they can trade him whenever they want … how do you think Eli ended up with the Giants.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
yea
but that was a little differnt lol that was on draft day .. they really only traded picks
by jack is better than asante on Aug 11, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions
Eli was already drafted and then the Giants drafted Rivers … they traded players. Once you draft someone you own the rights I’m not sure if there is a time period.
What I do know is that he would be “released” by the Niners when they needed to get the 53 man roster out therefore he would be eligible for the draft but not to sign with any other team.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
I don’t think he’s taking up a roster spot now. So they won’t even have to technically release him…
by TransplantedFan on Aug 11, 2009 4:34 PM EDT up reply actions
You own the rights to a player when you draft him if you cannot sign him to a contract he cannot be on the team, when you have to go to 53 man roster you must practice squad or release all other players thus losing the rights to them.
Since Crabtree will have not completed a season in the NFL he is still in the first tier according to the CBA and thus must re-enter the draft.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Interesting. But, until he reenters the draft, the 49’ers still own his rights and can block any NFL team from talking to him or his agent or from working him out, correct?
by TransplantedFan on Aug 11, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions
Good question I don’t know at what time you lose the rights to a player.
The only player I know to have done this is Bo Jackson and he played baseball instead then re-entered the draft the next year.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
From what I’ve read elsewhere, the 49’ers retain the rights to Crabtree until the day of the draft. Until then, no team is allowed to communicate with Crabtree or his representatives or else the team can claim tampering. Also, from what I’ve read is this process is NOT covered in the CBA but is actually part of the NFL rules so Crabtree can’t plausibly file a grievance against the team, he’d have to sue the NFL.
by TransplantedFan on Aug 11, 2009 5:08 PM EDT up reply actions
very cool thanks for sharing … either way he is flat out stupid to not sign on the dotted line. He will be losing money is he re-enters the draft next year I doubt someone spends a top 10 pick on a guy who never played in the NFL and has been out of football period for a year and had foot surgery and no one knows how he’s recovered.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
I hope he re-enters
And gets picked in like the 4th round and signs like a 5 yr 2 million $ contract and then feel like a bigger jackass than this guy…
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Aug 12, 2009 3:04 AM EDT up reply actions
I’d love to see all the teams in the league black ball him and no one draft him but sad enough Jerry Jones would pick him as soon as possible.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
no way
if he was there in the middle first someone will take him .. no one thought they would take mike williams 10 after missing a season .. yes he was a bust .. but crabtree is legit
by jack is better than asante on Aug 12, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions
yes he was a bust .. but crabtree is legit
LOL and why is that?
let’s keep the accolades to a minimum until he actually signs a contract, because until he does that he’s not even a professional athlete.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
But if you get him you late you still have to pay him top 3 money for 2009, or whatever he thinks he’s entitled to.
then he is pretty much fucked at that point
He cant just keep re-entering, I think after your 2nd one your done, you have to sign with that team or hope they trade your rights.. At this point I wouldnt want him.
bs
you would take him in a heart beat .. if san fran called and offer to swap him for maclin id do it in a second
by jack is better than asante on Aug 13, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions
laughable at best. I wouldn’t do it because Maclin is signed and can play. Crabtree is not signed and thinks he is the messiah. B-U-S-T BUST! count it.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Well....
I am glad that everyone had fun with this. JIBTA, thanks for being a good sport, and realizing that we all enjoy battling you over some of this stuff.
Good Times….
by GreenInBaltimore on Aug 9, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions
Good sport
This place is a little better with JIBTA than it would be without.
by andyreidswaistline on Aug 9, 2009 1:22 PM EDT reply actions
TO
if hes the next TO than hes no where near maclin .. hes soo much better .. i wasnt putting him on TOs level .. who is arguably the best wr of all time
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by NorthPhillyKid on Aug 10, 2009 11:43 AM EDT reply actions
JIBTA is definitely good for for the buisiness.
even though some of the things he says makes my head want to explode trancers-style. i didn’t really appreciate properly until he was absent for a month or so. it was like the mohabi desert in here for a bit.
I'm a JIBTA fan ...
he makes my days at work interesting, just when I think he has made the most insane statement ever he trumps it. He has definitely stuck around A LOT longer than I thought he would and that in and of itself is impressive.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
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