Philadelphia Eagles win preseason thriller 33-32 over Jaguars
Yes It doesn't count, but that was still a pretty fun end to a game. Down 12 with 12 minutes left Kevin Kolb led the Eagles on three straight scoring drives, the last of which ended in a go ahead David Akers FG with 15 seconds left in the game. It gave the Eagles their first win in preseason and dropped the Jaguars to 0-3.
It was a big night for Kolb, whose last game action was last years' devastating loss to the Baltimore Ravens. Even though it was against backups in a preseason game, Kolb showed poise and looked very sharp with his passes. Not to steal Bob Q's thunder, but I'll say "stock up" for Kolb tonight.
Now to the important stuff. The first team offense and defense. It was an odd night with two flukey touchdowns that put the Jaguars up early. The first came on a play where Jacksonville had driven down to the red zone and Asante Samuel put a devastating(and probably illegal helmet to helmet) hit on a Jags WR, who dropped the ball on the one yard line. The Eagles players stood around as if it was an incomplete pass, but Torry Holt made a heads up play to pick up the ball and walk it in for a TD. While it was somewhat of a "fluke" play, the fact that the Jags had driven that far down the field and were likely to score anyway was not. Other than that drive though, the Eagles first team defense was much improved from the first two preseason games. The return of Trent Cole meant the return of the pressure as the front four repeatedly hurried and hit Jags' QB David Garrard.
The secondary also played well, led by Asante Samuel... who seemed to have an extra something in his play tonight. Samuel was out hitting like a linebacker, picked off a pass, and made a very nice strip on a Jags' WR that was initially ruled a fumble. Asante certainly seemed like he was up for filling whatever leadership void might exist on the defense in the absence on Brian Dawkins.
We get to the offense after the jump.
The offense is another story. We'll get to Vick later.... First, they generally moved the ball well. In a stat line that was all too reminiscent of last season, they were better than the Jags' offense in pretty much every conceivable stat other than the score. They moved the ball, but failed to score TDs in the red zone. In the red zone, they settled for two FGs and had one fumble returned 92 yards for a TD. The fumble came on a swing pass to Lesean McCoy that the Eagles and most of the Jags thought fell incomplete, but since the pass wasn't thrown forward it was a live ball. Jags' backup LB Brian Iwuh made a heads up play to pick up the live ball and return it all the way for a TD. No excuses though, it was a bad play and McNabb & McCoy certainly share the blame.
The second half opened with a fumble finally going the Eagles way. Broderick Bunkley tore the ball out of the grip of Chauncey Washington and Quintin Demps returned it to put the Eagles in good scoring position. Lesean McCoy ended up scoring after bouncing a run outside and beating two Jaguar defenders to the pylon for a TD. The offensive starters would score another TD on a 4 yard McNabb pass to rookie Marcus Mailei in what ended up being the starters' final drive of the night. The starting offense left having put up 20 points on the board in a little less than three quarters.
Things started tough for the second team when Kevin Kolb was called for an intentional grounding on his first pass which awarded the Jaguars a safety. From there on though, the Eagles reserves thoroughly outplayed the Jaguars' second string and ended up coming from 12 points down to win the game.
Finally, let's get to Vick.
First, I think that the experimenting Andy Reid did with him in the first quarter threw McNabb and the offense off a bit. The team clearly moved better and McNabb looked sharper when Vick wasn't being subbed in every two or three plays. It makes sense that the offense would be somewhat out of sync if they're running gimmick plays once every 4 downs. The experimenting made it hard for me to really evaluate how the first team offense really looked in that first quarter.
Vick himself looked as about as good as expected. Physically he seems like he's in pretty good shape. He didn't appear a step slow, he looked quite comfortable out there, and executed the few things he was asked to do well. That said, he wasn't asked to do much. He did appear in the wildcat formation with McNabb lining up as a WR and tossed a few shovel passes to Lesean McCoy. He threw one beautiful pass to Hank Baskett, which really showed that he still has a cannon for an arm... and ran one designed run play that really wasn't blocked well and left him with no where to go.
So while Vick looked fine, he really wasn't asked to do much.
A few more random thoughts before we wrap this thing up.
- While Jeremy Maclin still didn't show much as a return man, he did play noticeably better as a WR in the first half where he caught 4 passes for 53 yards. Still a work in progress.
- I noticed that rookie Macho Harris started at free safety and not Quintin Demps. Demps had one poor play where he flung himself at TE Marcedes Lewis and bounced off him, rather than make the smart play to wrap him up. Plays like that might be a reason he didn't get the start... He did grab a fumble though and make a decent return with it, although he attempted an ill advised lateral that thankfully went out of bounds. Smart play to pick up the ball and run, bonehead play to lateral it.
- Speaking of second year men having up and down games... DE Bryan Smith made a really nice interception after a Paul Smith pass was tipped, but later drew a pretty stupid and obvious roughing the passer penalty.
- Can anyone make an argument that Jason Avant is at least the second best WR on this team? Avant again caught nearly everything that went near him, ran perfect routes, and constantly got himself open. He was the best WR on the field tonight. With Kevin Curtis being banged up, Maclin still catching up, Reggie being Reggie... should Jason Avant be starting on this team come opening day? You can't say he hasn't earned it.
- Both ex-Patriot starting corners tonight played well. Asante Samuel we've already discussed... but Ellis Hobbs played the run very well tonight and managed to knock down a pass as well. He certainly helped to redeem himself after a rough outing against the Colts.
- Moises Fokou led the team in tackles for the second straight game and saw some time with the first team at middle linebacker.
- 4 FGs for David Akers tonight including the game winner. After two missed against New England it was nice to see him bounce back with a strong night.
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I was impressed with Donovan and Asante, as well as Maclin. Demps also seemed to be in the right place in the right time. McCoy was up and down, but ultimately I was happy with his performance. DJ looked very good, he is just such a natural football player. Vick also held his own, it will be interesting to see how much he plays next week. Amendola also played well, good luck to the guy.
On the postgame show Reid mentioned that Herremans needs to have surgery for a stress fracture in his foot. He’s going to miss a few games in the regular season.
Also, McNabb admitted the Vick stuff threw off of the offense in his press conference.
yeah about McNabb on Vick…
I think he is slowly regretting the decision of bringing Vick in, from all aspects of it (on the field and off). The team was in better rhythm when he wasn’t in the game. I’d limit Vick to 4-5 plays in a game that switches off every other drive. McNabb has great chemistry with Jackson and Avant, I wouldn’t want to upset that.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
yup. They’ll be calling for McNabbs head soon….again. I hate dumb Eagle fans, almost as I do rival fans. Just to shut them up, if (and probably when) they do pass on McNabb and promote Vick, I hope we do terrible (a terrible thing to say, but I really hate “meathead” fans).
McNabb = best opportunity to win, Best Eagles QB ever, has done so much with so little for the majority of his career.
Yes, I’m a McNabb fan.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Agree completely. I support Vick, but I was getting pissed off when I heard the “we want Vick” chants going around. Granted, these chants were for Reid to play with his new toy a little more, not to bench McNabb and put Vick in, but it’s only a matter of time.
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by southjersey89 on Aug 28, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions
Belichick says...
When he was asked about bringing in Vick, he said something like “we have a world-class quarterback, and if a player like Vick were on our team, that would mean that our world-class quarterback didn’t have the ball in his hands. I want the ball in Brady’s hands every chance I can get.”
I absolutely think the same way with us and Donovan. If Donovan doesn’t get to touch the ball, it’s a play that we didn’t fully realize that play’s potential.
I actually wouldn’t have been upset if Vick had thrown an INT or something just to keep the QB controversy (which exists only in the minds of those fans, I hope)
Look, we know McNabb is a better QB than Vick. He was before, and I can’t imagine 2 years in jail helped Vick improve.
I think Vick, in a limited Wildcat role, and being the rare Wildcat player who can legitimately throw, is a hell of a weapon.
But he’s just not as good a QB as Donovan, so the nearly TO-level of adulation for Vick puzzles me a bit.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
I swear its because he was friggin sick in Madden. I won’t lie, traded for him when I was going through QB woes with the Raiders. We turned it around and won a superbowl. Maybe Andy was playing Madden and had an epiphany about Vick, after using his video game counter-part to win a Superbowl?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Possibly…didn’t think of that. He’s pretty much the modern Techmo Bowl Bo Jackson :-)
I don’t really support the signing of Vick, but overall since he’s on the team I’m glad most people are willing to give him a 2nd chance. I just don’t think he necessarily deserves the hero’s welcome he’s getting.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
lol
Yeah when I wrote the post, I was being completely sarcastic but then I thought about it and it could be possibly true since much of my generation and younger grew up with Madden. TV and Video Games are such powerful influences and they really do steer some people.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
He was just stating the obvious. There’s no way the constant subbing in and out could ever actually work in a real game. I think even andy knows that. This was experimenting, but it obviously threw the offense out of rhythm in the first quarter+
McNabb knows all of this, of course. Which begs the question, why is he lobbying for a guy that could potentially take his job?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
disagree on one point
especially after benching him last season (made no sense at all for the record)
andy benched him because he was doing terrible for the third straight week and needed a wake-up call. benching him apparently did the trick, because the next week he turned his play around and we eventually ended up in the playoffs. I thought it made sense
well, at that point in the game, we were not out of the game. It’s hard to argue about what happened after the benching because everything was positive. Say the Raiders didn’t win, the Eagles would have been out of the playoffs. 1 game would have changed that (I’m not exactly sure about the actual standings, but for the sake of argument). I said it before, McNabb gives us the best shot at winning. In a one score game, at halftime, you take him out because the offense as a whole was not functioning?
Yes McNabb turned it around and it was a story book ending for the regular season. But that’s the beauty of hindsight, it’s 20-20. At that point in time, I vehemently disagreed with benching him. It looked like the season was over and looked like McNabb was on his way out of Philly. The whole thing was McNabb was playing poor and the play selection was poor. Again, I’m a little biased towards McNabb but he wasn’t single handedly losing games for us. It was a dysfunctional offense.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
I was thrilled
with the benching…of course, the rest of the game only got more painful. I am a BIG McNabb supporter, but I also believe in taking a guy out of a game when he sucks! McNabb had sucked for 2.5 weeks, I think he had like 7 turnovers himself in those three games…that really is terrible. He turned it around, and I want him on the field…but you can’t go back and say that he wasn’t terrible.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
He did not
McNabb said exactly this.
take this response from the Eagles quarterback when he was asked if he thought the WildVick disrupted the rhythm and whether the offense needed to get back to basics during the first half of tonight’s game with the Jaguars:
“Absolutely, Absolutely," McNabb said. "I did. In that situation, it’s needed. I know what we were trying to do [with Vick] and we were able to get that done. And I thought it was time for us to kind of get our offense going. After the first play when I tried to go deep to DeSean [Jackson] and threw it out of bounds a little, we started to get positive plays. We got the drive going and I think that’s very important in a game, whether it’s in the regular season or the preseason, to get that rhythm going. If you’re going to show different looks make sure it’s the right time. That’s the what the preseason’s for to make sure you know when that time is, and we’ll get that time together. I thought it was important at that time to get out and run our offense."
In other words, he wanted some time get the offense moving before they started experimenting… rather than doing all the gimmick stuff right off the bat.
ah, I guess I heard it wrong. I thought I heard the word “elimination” come out of his mouth at some point in reference to Vick. Damn my pro-McNabb reflex and it’s power over my thoughts.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
What McNabb said is pretty harmless and uncontroversial I think, but the situation’s a little tricky.
McNabb’s a guy who usually needs a little time to get warmed up/in rhythm/whatever.
So, leave the Vick stuff out early and let Don heat up. But, when he’s “on fire” he’s so good you don’t want to take him of the field.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Didn’t see it….was he joking around, or did he actually have a WR moment.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
lol McNabb humor. If you’ve never seen McNabb’s interviews or didn’t know about his personality, you’d think he was serious and having a WR moment. But yeah, it was all in fun.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
Or
Keep McNabb behind center and put Vick in the slot, at least until Donny gets in his rhythm
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Completely off topic but...
Roy Williams apparently hurt his shoulder. Possible broken collarbone or ligament damage. I fan shot’d a couple minutes ago but I thought I should share. I feel so much better that I passed on him in my fantasy draft if he does miss some time.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
it isn’t set in stone because there have been conflicting reports. We find out tomorrow what the news is. Lions fans have told me that he has a history of being “soft”. I was yelling (metaphorically) to get him last year. Maybe, I shouldn’t have?
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
If they weren’t going to be a running team before, they are now. I think our d will be good against the run, and they’ll have to be with Barber/Jones/Choice.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
Their other TE is mad good too. We all know about witten but Bennett is a force. I caught some of one of the Dallas preseason games and he was making some big plays (albeit on the 2nd unit D). Still he is a tough matchup on 2 TE sets with Witten already being a difficult matchup.
"They say that nobody is perfect. Then they tell you practice makes perfect. I wish they'd make up their minds." - Wilt Chamberlain
He’s got even more of the bad, inconsistent quality of McNabb. When Kolb makes a good play, he makes a really good play, but when he’s bad, he just looks awful.
It seemed like he’s running for his life most of the time, too, resulting in these lame-duck thows. It’s hard to tell sometimes if there was that much pressure, or if he just needs to hang in the pocket a little longer. He doesn’t help himself when he rolls out to one side, taking half the field away from himself. He did it a couple times, and I wondered if it was by design — they know he doesn’t have the arm strength or the ability to read the whole field yet, and they were trying to simplify things.
BUT, I will say I’ve questioned his arm strength a lot, and I think he did show tonight that he has the arm to play in this league.
Looking forward to seeing play in preseason game 4. (And then hopefully not again until week 15 and 16 because the birds have locked up home-field)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
im pretty sure that was a legal hit by asante, jason. looked like shoulder to head after seeing the replay.
Hit was 100% illegal
That was helmet to helmet all the way. I thought he killed that guy. Asantes going to get a big fat fine for that one. Regardless, I’m still glad to see him step up and start taking on more of a leadership role on the defense. He played a hell of a game last night!
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