Michael Vick Press Conference Live Blog
by JasonB on Aug 14, 2009 11:03 AM EDT
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PrintAfter the jump we'll provide minute by minute updates of the Mike Vick press conference as he is introduced as a Philadelphia Eagle.
Andy Reid, Tony Dungy, and Mike Vick have all taken the podium.
Reid says Vick has a great support system and the Eagles are excited to have him.
Dungy says he got involved with Vick many months ago and that Vick expressed to him his regrets and his desire to change.
Roger Goodell asked Tony Dungy to join Mike Vick's life in a formal role on behalf of the league.
Andy called Dungy and had a long conversation about where Vick was in his life. He says he's proud of the Eagles for stepping up and giving a guy a second chance. Dungy recounted his ministry work with other inmates.
Dungy says he can't think of a better organization for Vick to land. He says he's also proud of Donovan McNabb for expressing to Andy that he wanted Vick. Dungy will be available to help the Eagles and Vick in any way they ask.
Vick says he wanted to express his gratitude to Lure & Reid for giving him the opportunity. He says he made a "horrible mistake" and "did some terrible things" and now he wants to be part of the solution. He says he's been working with the humane society and will continue to work locally to raise awareness about dog fighting in the inner city.
He wanted to send a special thanks to Donovan McNabb for reaching out to Andy, "he's a great friend."
He thinks Philadelphia is one of the flagship organizations. They're a winning team and he wants to be part of a great tradition and to win a superbowl. He wants to fit in any way he can to help this team succeed and win the super bowl.
He says he will continue to help young individuals in this world from going down the same path he has.
He said he couldn't envision two years ago that he'd be back in the NFL. He's happy that Donovan and coach Reid stepped forward to give him and opportunity to give him a second chance and he won't disappoint.
On being a backup: He says he has to crawl before he walks. He's been out for two years and can't imagine trying to start for a team after being out for two years. He needs time to get acclimated.
"I was wrong for what I did. Everything that happened at that point in my life was wrong" He said to this day he can't understand why he would risk everything he had at that point in his career.
"If I can help more animals than I hurt, then I've contributed"
He says he only gets one shot at a second chance.
He says the excuse people use for dog fighting was that it was part of their culture and he said he know understands that it's no excuse. He says prison made him understand how people care about animals and that it's important for him to help.
What he plans to do off the field: Actions will speak louder than words. He's partnered with the humane society and has worked hard to reach out to certain communities in inner cities to attack the problem of dog fighting.
He says he's stayed in shape an maintained his physical shape. He says he's ready to go and thinks he feels great.
Dungy says he's doesn't feel like he's taking a chance on Vick. He's simply doing for him what he hopes someone would do if he(Dungy) made a mistake.
Vick said there was a point in his life before he was arrested that he knew what he was doing was wrong. To this day he has to deal with the shame and embarassment of not doing anything about it.
Andy Reid says he knows not everyone will agree with the move, but he knows that people in this country understand that if you carry yourself the right way people deserve second chances.
Andy says he expects the pubic to have questions initially, but he wants them to have trust in what they do. That they've done their homework and that Vick himself has his life going in a positive direction. He says the majority of the public wants Michael to do well. As long as people take the right steps, they're give the opportunity to do well.
VIck says he understands that some people will never forgive him. He commited a cruel, inhumane act and he understands... but he hopes they will. He spent two year away from his kids and family in prison and that was humbling. The toughest thing was having to explain to his kids why this happened. He said he had to ask his kids for a second chance, at that point he seemed to get choked up.
Andy has always said to the fans that he will try to bring in the best players to help them win the superbowl. He says Vick will contribute and you can ask other defensive coordinators if they're worried about that.
Vick says he's here to contribute and win a superbowl and will play whatever role Andy Reid wants.
Vick says he spoke to Donovan and he said they're going to watch film together, workout, and do everything they can to get ready together. He said he knows he's a long way from playing, but Donovan wants to help him be ready.
Jeff Lurie "He will never ever be able to recover from what he criminally and murderously took part it in. The legend of Michael Vick won't be written on the football field."
Meeting with Michael, I felt the remorse and the self hatred for what he's done. I feel that this could be the start of a tremndous positive force for animal rights in this country."
His view on Vick's success isn't about yardage. His view of whether this is a success if he can diminish the level of animal cruelty. If he is not proactive in doing so, he will not be on the team.
He says there's no room for error on Michael's part and there's no 3rd chances.
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I hope that part of this shoots down the ever-growing internet meme that Donovan is ‘insecure’ and ‘touchy’ about the subject. But I suspect it won’t, despite the facts.
by WanderingMoses on Aug 14, 2009 11:11 AM EDT reply actions
Vick has not sworn off Pot yet! Let's light one up to celebrate!
Vick is still a Pot addict. He will continue to smoke if he can figure out how to conceal it. He has never come clean on this issue, nor will he. He will smoke every Saturday to celebrate how stupid some people can be, mostly the people who hire him. On Sunday, he will show them how well a stoned player can play. Light one up for me Mike!
by Teamfastpitch on Aug 17, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions
“Andy Reid, Tony Dungy, and Mike Vick have all taken the podium.”
Never ever would I have imagined this statement taking place.
me neither
and its good to see another hokie here on BGN, its a few months late but welcome
"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk
To all the unforgiving people in this world
man you people got some nerves you caint forgive vick because of a dog fight .a dog fight are you serious when you people beat an kill children on a daily basis ,,the american slave owners all they did was fight an gamble on dogs ,,plus you beat an killed black people for years an we for gave you are you serious ,,george bush got the whole world in debt ,,i mean the whole world is broke because of george bush but no we aint talking about that ,,i guess you can forgive him ,,lol ,,you people are so selfish ,,GOD says to forgive an forget vick aint did nothing more evil then we have ,,man i caint understand ,,,the same people who followed JESUS then threw him on a cross an said persecute him ,,the same people who wouldnt let black people eat at the same table are drink from the same water fountain as them ,,lol but you caint forgive vick for a dog fight lol ,,,who do you people thank you are ,,you are nothing just like me, vick ,an anybody else,,nobodies better then the other ,,,our sins are no greater then vicks ,,you madd cause he was gave a second chance to play football ,,an to better his life ,,when GOD give us a second chance everyday we wake up everyday we walk around are driving to work are what ever we do doing the day,,an you caint forgive vick ,,,man God got something planned for vick an i hope people like you dont get in the way of GOD’S plan cause believe me if you no GOD like i no GOD it wont be a pretty site,,you can never stop what GOD has planned ,,AN another thing we wonder why people in this world dont want to do better are fight to change there lives around ,,then we get on these talk shows an new channels an say whats wrong with the world whats wrong with these people,,you are whats wrong,,because somebody is trying to change there life right now but they caint cause of what they see you doing Michael Vick right now ,,an it hurts my heart to you people act like this but everybody want change everybody wanna see the world diffrent plzzz change ur self first then talk about somebody else an tell them they wrongs an right ,,the bible says thou shall not kill but we kill someone everyday behind these prison walls,,you people need to stand up for everything thats right and not just what fits you ,…………..,The General
by The General713 on Aug 14, 2009 11:20 AM EDT reply actions
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paragraphs and periods are your friends.
I can forgive the fighting, its the killing and torture that I don’t.
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 14, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions
-1 as well
The General(manager of )7113
by andyreidswaistline on Aug 14, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
The General713, this is a football fan site dude. While I do understand the Vick signing leads to the inevitable discussion regarding ethics, politics and religion are bad mojo on an internet forum that has nothing to do with either. There are better places to preach, please take it elsewhere, unless ofcourse you wish to discuss the Philadelphia Eagles.
by captain nodar on Aug 14, 2009 1:28 PM EDT up reply actions
If ignorance is bliss you must be the happiest person on Earth
You could be perhaps one of the most ignorant people I have ever read. You speak of forgiving yet you preach about things that happened decades (that’s ten years in case you didn’t know) as if it was yesterday. Here is a thought, minorities can date white women, attend any college they have the grades for, get any job they are qualified for (not always true because they still get the job due to race) and can go anywhere to eat, wherever they want. Wake up, it’s 2009, your so called Messiah Obama is in the White House and WHITE PEOPLE voted him in; not hispanics, asians or blacks, WHITE PEOPLE. We make up 70% of the population according to the U.S. Censuses so in your small mind see if you can figure out who cast the most votes and got the man elected.
Vick is a criminal and should still be in prison and to show you that, lets put this in perspective:
Had a white slave owner been convicted of forcing a black man to fight for entertainment do you think 23 months would have been enough to say he had served his time and should be released back onto society? I bet I can answer that question for you (by the way, that’s not me comparing a black person to a dog, it was you in your ramblings about injustice).
Don’t throw God’s name around as if you and him/her are drinking buddies. You have no idea of God’s plan. Nobody does.
Educate yourself to the facts and understand that the angry young black man (or whatever race you are) defense went out the door a long time ago.
And for goodness sake, learn how to spell.
Vick should still be in prison and anybody who did what he did should be in prison for a very long time.
“If I can help more animals than I hurt, then I’ve contributed”
He says he only gets one shot at a second chance.
He says the excuse people use for dog fighting was that it was part of their culture and he said he know understands that it’s no excuse. He says prison made him understand how people care about animals and that it’s important for him to help.
If he lives up to those 3 statements, then I’m happy. Especially the first one.
He said all the right things
I hope he can live up to the words.
by Tracer Bullet on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
Then at least that means he’s gotten smarter in the past two years.
by Tracer Bullet on Aug 14, 2009 11:47 AM EDT up reply actions
That's why I said
“If he lives up to those 3 statements”
You have to admit
that if there’s any place for Vick to land, it’s Philly. I thought AR’s admission that going through the trials he had with his own kinds was very telling.
It’s easy to go through life shouting from a soap box about the evils of others, but until you’ve lived through the immense pain of watching a family member make a life altering mistake, you are unqualified to comment. Tony Dungy lost a son to suicide, AR watched two sons ruin their lives. In 5 years, we will know how this turns out…I’m hoping it’s for the best.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
by oldasquick on Aug 14, 2009 11:28 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
And the winner is
Best Actor VICK
Best Supporting Actor DUNGY
Runner Up REID (Sorry Andy once again u lose the big one)
by TIRED OF WAITING on Aug 14, 2009 11:29 AM EDT reply actions
LMAO
of course he was. I wish these people would jump off the bridge already
I am an Eagles fan... therefore I am now a fan of Mike Vick
I don;t mind people not liking VIck. I honestly don’t like the guy. But this desire by people to bash first and think second annoys me.
Think for a second. Listen to what people have to say.
Wrong Jason
People will say anything to get what they want , their actions is how u should judge them . The dog incident wasnt his 1st and the only thing he is sorry for is that he got caught.
by TIRED OF WAITING on Aug 14, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions
your right
They all were well scripted and rehearsed .I believe nothing that comes out of Reid mouth. McNabb Banner and Lurie also make that list and now I can add Vick and Dungy to the list
by TIRED OF WAITING on Aug 14, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions
we dont like you
there i bashed first and though second… on second thought i still dont like you
I am an Eagles fan... therefore I am now a fan of Mike Vick
by 700 Level on Aug 14, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
I find it ironic that now the EAGLES FANS have become the ambassadors or good behavior.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Aug 14, 2009 11:50 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
yes… the world is a stage. there’s no way somebody can change after 18 years of prison, dungy truly the most fake person in the world, and andy is a born loser. well played.
Jaws?
Michael Vick will be playing as #7? I’m wondering what Jaworski has to say about that? I didn’t think that anyone else would wear that number, let alone Vick.
Am I alone in this presumption? Has anyone else worn #7?
No offense to Jaws, but
He wasn’t exactly Joe Montana. He was a good player, and if good players got #s retired Vick would be stuck wearing 7,777.
Didn’t realize it – thanks for the update. I think this clinches it though, I’m getting me a Jaworski jersey in a salute to the old-days of the franchise and in protest to Vick wearing it.
i cant watch it from work
whats going on?
I am an Eagles fan... therefore I am now a fan of Mike Vick
Lurie is saying Fuck everyone we did our due diligence and basically is just owning the press conference.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Heck, NE was gonna do this.
I read last week that NE was interest. Dungy said that he wished he would have signed with Pit, and Ozzie Newsome said he wanted him.
So that means that NE, Pit, Bal, Phi were teams that wanted him. If NE would have signed Vick, we would have killed Andy for not trying. Now he actually beat the other team to this, now he is the harbinger of all evil. They are painting Andy like he’s Satan.
Great move, we actually out smarted someone for once. GET OVER THE PAST EAGLES FAN. Or do you want to watch NE win another Superbowl. I’m sick of the Uber innocent fans writing how no one deserves redemption. They are all hipocrites. I don’t think the 700 level was popular for good behavior. Just shup up all you nay sayers. If you don’t want to root for you team, then find another team to root for.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Aug 14, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
We also outsmarted 2 other teams to get TO
That kinda worked for a year.
I've been saying that for weeks ...
… I honestly thought New England or Pittsburgh was going to do it, and everyone was going to think it was genius.
So that means that NE, Pit, Bal, Phi were teams that wanted him.
Word. Throw the Colts and Giants in there, and that’s who I want the Eagles thinking like. That’s good company.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
You have to admit
that if there’s any place for Vick to land, it’s Philly. I thought AR’s admission that going through the trials he had with his own kids was very telling.
It’s easy to go through life shouting from a soap box about the evils of others, but until you’ve lived through the immense pain of watching a family member make a life altering mistake, you are unqualified to comment. Tony Dungy lost a son to suicide, AR watched two sons ruin their lives. In 5 years, we will know how this turns out…I’m hoping it’s for the best.
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
Heart of a giant
I am a born and breed giant’s fan. I hate the eagles. I hate Mcnabb. Really hate Andy Ried. Deep deep deep down in my heart i like the way they are handling this. Very professional. Give a man a second chance.
by go gmen on Aug 14, 2009 11:51 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
don't start that, you obviously have an ax to grind.
Brian chose to leave, he was offered a contract, but though he had more value. Denver gave him a rediculous offer. They are in a different situation this year, they need him.
He could have signed with us, but he would have gotten cut next year anyway. Imagine the PR mess then. Brian has 1 maybe 2 years left.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Aug 14, 2009 11:57 AM EDT up reply actions
Vick
An animal abuser is only one step above a pedophile because they abuse the innocent. There are some things that make a person a social pariah and animal abuse is one of them. He went to prison but I very much doubt he learned a thing from it. He’s sorry, sorry he got caught. Any person convicted of a crime should not be allowed in professional sports. I don’t disagree he should get a second chance, there are jobs in retail and food services he could apply for but a million dollar football contract is a disgrace and a sad reflection of what we hold as important, winning a football game over moral character.
Finally
Some who is showing some intelligence. Good for u Wendy. All these people who are applauding this signing are the same ones who roasted Jerry Jones and the cowgirls for signing TO and Pacman . Can u say double standard?
by TIRED OF WAITING on Aug 14, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions
wrong...
sorry but I have come to accept that there are criminals in the NFL… i don’t protest it. In fact, I was glad when T.O. landed in dallas… btw.. Hes not a criminal.. irrelevant.
None of these guys will ever be role models for my kids, so I could care less.
Wendy
Did you watch the press conference? I’m interested to know.
If you still feel this way after seeing what everyone had to say, that’s fine. I’m just interested in whether you heard him out.
Of course she didn’t. People are going to believe what they want, regardless of what happens.
by UnclaimedFright on Aug 14, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions
Are you from PETA?
This is only your second post, yet you join for this?
I own 2 dogs and 2 cats, they are my family, I paid for thier vet bills when one had cancer, I give my cat insulin twice a day and one dog sleeps in my bed. They are part of my family. What Vick did was wrong. Period. I detest it and do volunteer work for the Animal Welfare Society outside Baltimore so I know what kind of pain this causes, I even rescued a baby pit bait dog and my sister still owns him. However, I am no angel and I have Fucked up a lot in my life and caused serious harm. I have learned it’s not what we’ve done that makes us who we are. It’s what we do now. Who gives a fuck if it’s a $5 dollar an hour job at McDonalds or a million Dollar contract? Who decides what his career path is? You? I don’t think so. Some people get so rigid pusuing a purpose the lose sight of what the real goal was and all they want is a martyr. He has a chance to millions now, which could save way more dogs than he harmed. I thik that is a prime example of God using a bad situation to let good things happen.
So open up your eyes, take off your blinders, or get the hell off my site.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Aug 14, 2009 12:45 PM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
*Pursuing
*chance to help millions
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by EagleGreeninMD on Aug 14, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions
I love your Jr. Bacon Cheeseburgers!
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Carl's Jr.
No, their too small. I love their 6 dollar Western Bacon Cheeseburger. Try it sometime.
Wendy wants the power on now goddamnit
by andyreidswaistline on Aug 14, 2009 1:55 PM EDT up reply actions
Funny you mention pedophiles...
… because they often get less time as a convicted LEVEL III sex offender than Vick did in killing dogs…
And yet another case in which animals lives are held in higher regard than humans.
Choose your words wisley
First of all Vick did not invent dog fighting, second he is not the only NLF player to ever be involved. To say he is one step above a pedophile is wrong. That is deformation of caricature, and you should be ashamed. I guess you don’t have a problem with player accused of rape, assault or murdered. You need to learn who he is. He has been very generous to his family, so called friends and to his school. The past teams he has played for has not been involved in human abuse like the Eagle fans. I no use for people like you.
I take it none of you spent time in a correctional facility
Dont knock it till you’ve tried it. And especially dont comment on what someone can learn in one, because you dont know shit unless you’ve spent some time in CFCF or the likes.
I really hope that we, as Eagles fans, would be graceful in accepting a man who has done wrong, but has changed his life and asked for forgiveness. Who are we to judge Michael’s heart? I understand some of the frustration, but let Michael prove to us that he has changed. That is what he wants from us as fans; the opportunity to do whatever he can to amend for the wrongs that he has committed. At a minimum, all we can do, as fellow humans who are equally sinful, is allow Michael the opportunity to apologize. No one is asking us, as fans, to defend Michael and fully support him right away. But we do have to give him the chance. No?
My problem with the Eagles signing Michael Vick has nothing to do with his character as a person but whether or not he is really going to help this team win the Super Bowl. This is now a big distraction that has the possibility to take away from the football and the Eagles’ goal of winning the Super Bowl. I just hope it doesn’t . . .
All that being said, welcome to Philadelphia Michael Vick.
by Mitchell Green on Aug 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 11 recs
rec'd
"It was almost like if Harry didn't call it, it wasn't real." - Jayson Stark
by Chris Haines on Aug 14, 2009 12:34 PM EDT up reply actions
Vick's second chance
He’s not asking you to leave your dog with him or babysit your kids, he is a football player!! Plenty of players have pasts they would rather you not know about and lucky for them they didn’t get national press like Vick. He hasn’t cheated at his sport with steroids and tainted football like the baseball players have. Yet they are forgiven and this guy will always be haunted by what he did. This is about football and he is a hell of a football player that stands to help the Eagle big time!!
ochocinco's comment
“glad i don’t play defense” is so true now the Eagles have McNabb and Vick you could do things other teams would dream of. What a change of pace/game plan that would leave a defense to try to get ready for. Good luck with that!! Smoke the Cowboys and Giants and no one will be questioning this move then!!
M Vick becoming an EAGLE!!??
I can only say that I AM in SHOCK !!!! I can’t follow that statement with enough exclamation points! I NEVER thought MY TEAM (THE PHILADELPHIA EAGLES) would the take a person of Michael Vick’s ill-repute into their fold. But it has happened! I am dumb-founded! SPEECHLESS! UTTERLY FLOORED and without words to describe my feelings! On the other side, I hear my father (a RABID EAGLES FAN) saying calm down, son…think and be wise! In that light, I must commend Jeff Lurie, Andy Reid, Donovan McNabb and Tony Dungy with being men of virtue, tolerance, standards and vision!
Philadelphia is in Pennsylvania and Pennsylvania is a COMMONWEALTH; in short, that means: we, ALL OF US, do our part for the common good. Such a philosophy was not prevalent in Atlanta or Georgia; I am proud to be Pennsylvanian-born! Mike, it would serve you well to go out become familiar with the region and our residents and the principals we stand for; while learning your new playbook!
If Vick is to make a comeback and redeem himself in the eyes of the public; what team would be better than OUR Philadelphia EAGLES??? The EAGLES are one of the classiest, professional and best respected NFL teams in the nation! I was born 5 blocks from the Liberty Bell and never expected to find support elsewhere in the nation for OUR SQUAD but people like our team even here on the West Coast where I live today. Will Vick be with us next year or 3yrs from now? Who knows! But we are a nation that believes in second chances and in that light, I’m glad to see that OUR TEAM puts up and doesn’t shut up!
Michael, please understand I don’t hate you but I felt what you did and were involved in was reprehensible, even unforgiveable. But it is God’s place to forgive and I’m not God. All I can do is remember and I shall. Just YOU remember what is being given to you today, a chance to renew and revive a life, a reputation and a career that YOU single-handedly destroyed. I will not preach, I WILL wish the BEST for the EAGLES and you in the season ahead; and pray that the best of all possible futures comes of the decisions, the wise and just people who have rendered aid to you, have made here today. As a Philadelphia EAGLE you represent not just yourself but an entire city, our team has given you it’s TRUST please do not betray it.
by sonos327 on Aug 14, 2009 1:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
How is this just his SECOND chance?
I love my Eagles, but will not be a fan of Vick – and I don’t think he expects us all to be.
But I mean – all this talk of a 2nd chance? How is this just his 2nd chance? Hasn’t he had drug issues, given the finger to fans in ATL that booed him, attempted to smuggle drugs onto a plane?
This is hardly his 2nd chance. Let’s all at least agree to that?
He didn’t try to smuggle drugs onto a plane.
That was an overblown story. There were no drugs involved.
I think when people say “second chance” they’re talking about his life post prison. All those things, the drugs, giving the finger, all the other things culminated in his downfall with the dog fighting ring.
I have no problem with someone saying he’s gotten more than 2 chances. However, in this context “second chance” is larger term.
Why does religion always have to be involved?
Except responsibilty for your own actions. I’m religious my self to an extent but people need to leave the religion out. I’m Jewish so obviously I’m not always going to jump for joy with a jesus reference but after hearing Rod Woodson’s Hall of Fame speech, take responsibility for yourself. I don’t get why Dungy had to say “Christian forgiveness,” why can’t it just be “forgiveness”? Lurie is a Jew so why does it matter. Vick will do what he does by him and thats all. (to end all of the harshness) Penis!!!!
Michael Vick
The Question we should be asking ourselves is……are we getting a Quality Player? I say Yes! We are getting a Pro Bowl caliber player who I think can eventually compete for a starting job. I think Donovan McNabb should be sweating somewhat. Come on, McNabb has been with the Eagles for awhile now and it’s easy to see that he is not the Quarterback that is going to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl. I think Vick is more Athletic and a better all around QB than McNabb. McNabb to me has been over-rated. When he came out everyone was saying that he would be a Great Black QB. Well, he hasnt shown it to me. Since McNabb likes to play the race card I will go there. Cmon, you all know that if Donovan was a White QB, he would have been traded a long time ago. I dont understand why the Front Office continues to pay him more than he’s worth.
YOUR THOUGHTS?
oh god
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Aug 14, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Eff you
That has to be some of the dumbest shit that i have had the displeasure of reading, you my friend are a fucking idiot
Michael Vick
soflaeagle is that how you talk to people when you disagree with them or when you know their right and it hurts. Quit Crying hater.
Only when addressing a comment a stupid as the one i read from you
I see you just signed up today, fuck off and troll some where else, this site is for real Eagles fans and real football talk
Vick Fan....
Are you serious??? “I think Vick is a more athletic and a better all around QB than Mcnabb” you’re full of shit.
He might be more athletic yes, but NOT all around better than McNabb, you’re on crack.
Gonna miss Dawk a WHOLE lot next year..
Are you Serious or Delirious
Ok, let’s hope that McNabb pulls his head out and disproves what Im saying. But Im telling you other teams Defenses would rather have McNabb nervous and scrambling out of the pocket like a rookie QB .
Thing about QB’s is…
they are allowed to throw ball. Something McNabb can do exponentially better than Vick
Michael Vick
McNabb is just an average QB. If you look at his numbers that are not anything special. I mean he is not the QB that is going to take the Eagles to the Super Bowl. Do you not agree? Why?
Overated QB
That’s just my point, McNabbs numbers dont compare with any of the Top QB’s.
I think Vick is more Athletic and a better all around QB than McNabb.
Sorry, I thought that was your point.
And we should get excited about Vick (as a QB replacement to McNabb)? Why? Because Vick has won or even been to a Superbowl before? Because two years off made him a better passer?
McNabb’s last 3 season’s where he has played at least 14 games, he’s better than a 60% passer.
Vick’s career best was 56.4% and that was in 2004. It’s 2009 now, and he’s been away from the game, and hasn’t been reading live defenses.
When McNabb has played in 14 or more games he’s always thrown for at least 3000 yards. Vick has never thrown for 3000.
If you think McNabb is overrated, then whatever, but to say Vick is better is absurd.
Overated QB
You make some good points. I dont feel McNabb is worth 24 million. He hasnt done enough for the franchise. Im just saying that if I had Vick on my team I could do more with him than McNabb. McNabb try’s to be a Great QB but fails to have any other skills than that. Vick could play QB, Running Back, Receiver or Free Safety.
Vick could play QB, Running Back, Receiver or Free Safety.
At a high level? Better than the players we already have? I don’t believe any of those.
Vick Fan
Yes. You’ve already seen the guy run. Get him in a V formation, drop pass out of the backfield. Dude, Ive seen Michael Vick outrun DB’s/Safeties. Look how many black College QB’s that have come and the coaches turned them into good Receivers and DB’s. I’ve played Football my whole life. Players change positions all the time.
Look how many black College QB’s that have come and the coaches turned them into good Receivers and DB’s
I’d like to see a list of the ‘good’ ones.
For QB, I just expressed why McNabb is better, in my opinion anyway.
And I’d rather have Westbrook or McCoy running (Vick fumbled a lot and his running was aided by the threat of the pass). Vick is the least suited out of the RBs to actually run up the middle and/or take a pounding.
There is no way I’m putting Vick in the secondary. Eagles have a very good one, and I’m not going to get excited about him reading the offense, and making tackles. Sean Jones was a former pro bowler and actually has been in the NFL and playing the position for years.
WR is his best bet, but his hands and route running are huge question marks. Speed does not kill, Hester was mediocre, and Troy Williamson was a bust.
Vick Fan
Yes, you are the first one that I have commented with that has some good Football intelligence. Vick is like a work of Art he’s been out of the league for 2 years so he’s rusty. I just hope that they use him as a weapon. According to Andy Reid they signed him because they want him to be an impact player soon. The Eagles need impact players, McNabb is going to get it done on his own. I appreciate your Love for the game like myself. Talk to ya later.
time to forgive and let live
Look, the guy did time…he has PETA on his ass and on top of all this he has to walk a perfect line with no mistakes or risk violating his probation and going back to jail!
I’m glad that Reid lobbied for him, the guy can understand second chances, he has two sons dealing with hard times so who better to realize that we are all flawed.
Point is, nobody likes to be reminded of their mistakes over and over and that is what Vick has been dealing with but only his are magnified on a national level.
I don’t advocate what he did and I hope he does truly feel bad for what he did but he’s a big boy and deserves a second chance to prove to the world and himself that what happened in the past is in the past.
Wish you luck Vick! I’m gonna be watching that duo of you and McNabbb….sick!!
by P Diddy on Aug 14, 2009 2:49 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
As a Falcon's fan, I just want to say I'm sorry...
But thank you for taking this curse from us. Good luck…
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Noles
Also, been waiting for the Noles to have a presence like they used to. What happened?
Bad recruiting, bad coaching, laziness....
I have six locks on my door all in a row. When I go out, I only lock every other one. I figure no matter how long somebody stands there picking the locks, they are always locking three.
Elayne Boosler
Noles
I dont see anyone else posting. Anyway, the real problem with the Noles is that they left the SEC conference where they were part of the mix. It was a stupid decision to ever leave their conference that they had been in the top 3 year in and year out.
re: Vick Fan
something tells me “Vick Fan” is an Eagles Fan
only an Eagles Fan would claim McNabbb is “over-rated”
they never appreciate what they have…… LMAO
Vick Fan
Your very intuitive however, I have seen McNabb play and he doesnt impress me. He doesnt do good reads on the defense with enough audibles. He’s not Cool under pressure like a Joe Montana or a Tom Brady but the Media/Fans still want to put him on a pedestal like he’s great. Not!
actually I'm a Junior college...
But thats ok Vick Fan, I just trying to relate to your intelligence level. I’m not going to bash you because that has already been done. I’m content with Vick. I grew up watching wrestling and thought Chris Benoit was one the best and one of my favorites, and still is so I understand the respect for the talent even when someone is an awful person or does awful things. As one of the more prominent posters on this site, I welcome you. But if you truly are an Eagles fan, know that you will get a backlash right or wrong…but try to be more likeable like JIBTA. He’s found a niche.
NJ Snack
North Jeerzee for South Jeerzee? Im not going to bash you either, you’ve already done that with your first comment above. Anyway, Vick did the crime and he did the time. You’d think that Eagles fans would be happy to get someone with more talent than half the team.? SoCal
Contra-VICK fan
Hey Vick fan, know your facts / know your subject…. um, Donovan McNabb, who you obviously despise for some unknown reason, by MY count, D-Mac HAS taken the Eagles to the superbowl and to several championship games as well!
Vick Fan
If you know your facts and remember when McNabb starting crying and playing the race card when he said that Black Quarterbacks have to do more to get recognized by the Media/Fans than that of a White Quarterback. How moronic is that for McNabb to come out with. That’s BS!! So Yah, I dont care much for McNabb if he was my QB or not. How come whenever it comes to making comments most of the Philly fans start name calling, using profanity etc.
Does you Mom know you talk like this?
Shame on you!
Does you Mom know you talk like this?
My mom thinks your an idiot.
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by Whodie126 on Aug 14, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Hey Vick fan are you a moron or whut???
Hey Vick fan are you a moron or what? See, I do know how to spell what!
Listen folks, we can bash Vick into the ground even b4 he gets on the field;
or we can wait and see what he does when given a chance to perform on game day.
Anything else is just jabber-jawing, right?
There is no reason to argue the what-if’s guys, The dude is a thug yes, but many thugs play football, and even more thugs walk past your house everyday. Everyone deserves a chance to redeem themselves.. This guy is not ready to step into a starting job… he could not even come close to handeling a starting job " vick fan your a fucking idiot… Seriously i said it in a post like two topics ago… I dont remember Vick as top 5 talent in the NFL at ANY TIME.. All the guy did was run around with the ball … there is this thing called passing and completion percentage that seperates Mcnabb and Vick and Vick is wayyyyyyyyy on the losing end of that battle. Im not a Vick basher but i am a " Vick Fan" Basher because thats some of the stupidist shit ive heard yet. This isnt any pressure on Mcnabb , Mcnabb is taking vick under his wing (no pun intended). For the Past 11? Years donovan has led the eagles to alot of success , many division and NFC titles, and an appareance in the superbowl. All the while Vick is Running around with the football… period.. Once it was realized he cant throw he started flipping the switch on the 1000 watt dog zapper , gettin off on that doggy rape swing, and rotting his ass in jail thinking how the hell hes gonna get back into the NFL and be a fraction of the stand up guy and class act that Donovan Mcnabb is…… Which is exactly the point of this whole thing, Its about football not the law or politics… Please read on
Check it out guys .. Andys waistline said it best…
Potential good fits for Vick
New England, Seattle, Dallas, San Francisco
The ideal road for him is to go somewhere that already has a high profile QB and/or Coach, establish himself as simply an NFL player for two seasons. During that time he’ll likely be given some small opportunity to showcase his skills once again, giving him a chance to get a semi decent contract when he becomes a free agent in a few seasons.
by andyreidswaistline on May 19, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT IS HAPPENING BECAUSE THE EAGLES ARE THAT TEAM
Andy's Waistline
No, that’s not the way it went. Andy really told the front office that if McNabb starts to struggle this season that he will have a potential starting QB to replace McNabb. Reuters 08/12.09
And remember We bleed green no matter who comes to our team. If he does not jump through the right hoops we ship him off to some other destination…Period.
Jump through Hoops
I dont know about you but when I get a cut it bleeds red but Im not a Cardinal fan either.?
Wow wow wow...
Do you know what the name of this blog is?
Philly Daily News sham
Now we can start blogging. This is my first time but not the last. – SoCal -
PHILADELPHIA DAILY NEWS………..SHAME ON YOU. If I mispell any words I apologize but am in a short of shock that the Philly Daily News would put Michael Vick on the FRONT COVER that says: Michael Vick coming to town, HIDE YOUR DOGS. WHAT A JOURNALIST Embarresment. Let’s just knock a guy till he is down in the gutter then kick him a couple more times. If I was a Philadelphia citizen I would be outraged that we slander people like this. I’ll bet that PETA might of had something to do with this. Any Lawyers out there. What a Shame this story is turning out to be. Any Movie Directors out there?
Anyone else feel...
Like Lurie wasn’t totally on board with this? From the video of Jeff Lurie on the Eagles web site, he just didn’t seem on board with this. I wonder what went on behind the scenes to convince Lurie to sign him. I don’t mean to sound like some crazed conspiracy theorist, but I just get the feeling that there was more to convincing Lurie than just a talk with Michael Vick. Just from his tone, Lurie sounded a bit disgusted by this whole thing.
The thing I dislike is that it feels like the Eagles are doing this as part of some project to help Michael Vick more than bringing him in because he improves the team. It just feels like the Eagles organization is sacrificing for the good of Michael. Some one like an A J Feeley or one of the running backs like Kyle Eckel or Eldra Buckley are going to get cut so we can all go on this great adventure to save Michael Vick. It just seems like this is more about redeeming the man, Michael Vick than improving the football team. I guess I look at all this and wonder where the efforts were to save derelicts like Art Schlichter or Ryan Leaf.
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by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Aug 14, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions
From an outsider looking in
It seems strange to me that few (not just Eagles fans) don’t see the disparity between the current situation with Vick and any other convicted felon.
Let’s be honest: Dwayne T. Felon, after spending 23 months in jail, will be lucky to get a job at MCDONALD’s let alone getting his previous job back.
I agree- people deserve a second chance. I also believe (maybe because I am foolish) that Vick is truly contrite. But really, does he deserve to make millions of dollars in professional football again?
I just can’t see it.
That said, good luck this season- sorry the Titans won’t get the pleasure of squaring off against the good NFC division this year :D
I hear you but
If Dwayne T. Felon loses his job and goes to jail, nothing says his employer can’t re-hire him. Most likely that is not the case, but there is nothing prohibiting them from doing so. Also, if Dwayne T. Felon happens to be one of the best in his industry, he is more likely to be re-hired. Additionally, if Dwayne T. Felon has the backing of someone with universal respect, like Tony Dungy, then his chances of getting re-hired are greatly improved. Not to mention the media scrutiny that will be all over Vick’s every move. In Vick’s case, there are many more circumstances that will lead the Eagles to believe that he won’t revert to his old ways, unlike Dwayne T. Felon.
Unless Dwayne T. Felon is a doctor or lawyer (or some such profession) where his certification may be permanently revoked for violating the law, the two cannot be accurately compared. You are correct that there is a disparity between the two, only it is the set of circumstances that surround each situation.
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Moral debate aside,
look at the signing for what it is, and that’s a very low-risk, potential high-reward signing. The Iggles are getting him for next to nothing, and if he stinks up the joint, they wash their hands clean and move on. The fact is, however, two years ago, Vick was the fastest guy in the NFL, position be dammed, and THAT’S something you simply can’t teach. And in the modern era, speed is what seperates the good from the great.
Vick was, IMO, an average traditional QB at best, even at his peak. But with his wheels, he was and is a very dangerous guy with the football in his hands. Couple that with Reid’s creativity, and you have a potential weapon that is VERY hard to counter.
The best part of the deal is if Vick DOES show that he is a potent weapon, then the Eagles can extend him for an amount that won’t kill their cap, or they can use him as a very nice looking trade asset.
Looks like a win-win to me….. And for those who ARE on the holier-than-thou kick, ease off. Vick did a horrible thing, something that makes my stomach turn. But he has paid a heavy price for his misdeeds,. and he should be given the opportunity to prove that he is truly sorry for his actions.
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by philly420pdxhilo on Aug 15, 2009 6:32 AM EDT reply actions
He deserves a 2nd chance
Michael Vick deserves a second chance. I totally agree that he does deserve the right to play pro football, he paid his debt to society for the mistake he made. Nobody on this earth is perfect, the only perfect one was Jesus and he believed in forgiveness. Who are you to blame or condemn Michael Vick, are you faultless or blameless? I am sure those pointing the fingers and wanting him to be removed from the NFL have done something that they are ashamed of, I bet they all have something in their closets they don’t want their neighbors, friends and family to know about. The man served his time now we should watch what he does with this life from this day forward. I mean we have people in our government that have done much worse and never served a day. Go get em Vick! Show em what you got! Make them eat their words….
Vick
I can not beleive you people in Philly feel you are better then Vick. You throw food and bottles of drinks at people. The virbal abuse is just as bad and you seem to be proud that you are nasty fans. You can abuse humans and it’s ok but let someone touch an animal and you go nuts. I hated that he picked your team to play for.
ladylonghr s
Um, I know about the bottle throwing but at least most of us can spell ladylonghr (whatever that means).
“virbal” is USUALLY spelled V-E-R-B-A-L, most of us in Philly learned that word in 4th or 5th grade, ok?
You learn to spell, and we’ll learn how NOT to be the fiercest , most dedicated and loyal fans in the NFL!
big stupid hulk
i am so glad that vick the stupid do not join the panthers. even people with money and those who play sports are not always good people. why dont he donate 50% of his income to the humane society then just maybe he will look less of a jackass with a head of a baboon.
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