An open letter to Eagles fans jumping off the ship
by Whodie126 on Aug 13, 2009 11:27 PM EDT
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Dear Eagles Fan,
I know you are upset with the Eagles signing Michael Vick. I know this man has messed up but are you so self righteous that you have never made a mistake? What Vick did is certainly disgusting and I was one of the upset citizens when this went down. I also know that I myself have done things I have not been proud of. I am willing to put this aside and look past it to give this man a second chance.
I implore you to give him a chance. This man went to jail and paid for his crime, there are players in the league who have killed people and no one bats an eye.
Let us support our team in this time of hardship and back them in there decision to give this man a second chance. If our FO and Team is willing to accept him than so am I.
I have argued both sides of this and maybe let emotions get the best of me what matters now is that we move on.
Sincerely Yours,
Professor Whodie
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I know we don’t always agree but I hear you Whodie.
by NJEagle on Aug 13, 2009 11:30 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Thanks man
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Aug 13, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
AMEN
i think VICK as a human being is a scumbag 4sure until he proves otherwise. however that being said when he steps on that field i will not view him as michael vick the lowlife, i will view him as mike vick who be4 he went away was the most exciting player in the game
by goldenbird09 on Aug 14, 2009 1:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I would also like to add...
If you’d like to leave your Eagle fandom behind… Bye. Can I have your tickets?
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
REC'D
Society determined a penalty for him, and he accepted and served that penalty. Not really sure what more people want from him. It’s like me spanking my kid, sending him to his room, and still being pissed at him after I let him out…
Maybe people don’t think the penalty was tough enough, but at the end of the day, the people that know Vick believe that he is remorseful, and that he is being proactive in giving back to humane societies. Time will tell, but I’m on board with giving a man a second chance….
The good Lord knows I’ve needed my second chances too!!!!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Aug 13, 2009 11:33 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
ESPN was dropping emails like crazy from people saying they were no longer Eagles fans so I felt the need to write this.
I was very critical of Vick when this went down but I’m ready to move on.
I can’t believe people would give up on the Eagles over this.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Aug 13, 2009 11:35 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
that’s just stupid. leonard little is still playing and nobody seems to care. donte stallworth will play for some team in a year and people will embrace him. the cowboys are america’s team for some reason. this shouldn’t cause anyone to cease being an eagles fan. i bet most of those phone calls were merril hoge disguising his voice.
by awd777 on Aug 14, 2009 8:39 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
two words
ray lewis
"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk
Ray Lewis
only “helped” kill him…
Jamal Lewis was trafficking drugs… He spent 10 months in prison and was allowed out to play football during the season.
His gang buddies killed the man (he was allegedly in on it) – then the members of his entourage claimed full responsibility and Ray was only in hot water for lying to the police.
by UnclaimedFright on Aug 14, 2009 3:16 PM EDT up reply actions
Yeah I heard
that he said “I only held the man down but I didnt stab him”…
Its amazing what money can get you out of.
This is my first post on this site, although I have been following it for quite sometime. “Helped” kill two people? I don’t know all the details of that horrific accident BUT I do know that he reached a settlement with one of the guys daughters and an undisclosed settlement with the families. Civil proceedings are one thing but why pay out families if you are not partially guilty? Then to receive MVP the next year?
And one thing that irks me just thinking about it is when the Titans played the Cowboys and Haynesworth stepped on Andre Gurode’s head. That to this day disturbs me. He only forfeited $190,000 and was suspended for 5 games. 5 games? Can you imagine getting stomped on straight to the head without a helmet on by a 350 lb man!?!? He could of killed someone! But no one ever talks about that and now hes making $115 mil! Go figure.
If these guys can move on and be successful, there is no reason why Vick shouldn’t be able to. I do not consent to Vick’s behavior but he’s on our team now and we have to support him. So hopefully after tomorrows game, he shows us hes ready to concentrate on football and we can all move the heck on.
EFF EM
let em leave, they’ll be back when we’re stompin the Cowboys. Remember tho, we know who you are.
Brian Dawkins for President
by BDawkins20 on Aug 13, 2009 11:38 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
+1
they cant be true eagles fans im an eagles fan till i die they could sign t.o ,pacman jones it doesant matter because thats my team and i bleed green!!!!!
by fly eagles fly on Aug 14, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions
They’ll be back, don’t you worry. I had the same initial reaction when the Sixers traded AI, but it didn’t last long.
by philiafan14364 on Aug 14, 2009 1:07 AM EDT up reply actions
philly fans wouldnt just leave their team…let them leave. its like cutting the fat off a nice steak.
We have a 60,000 waiting list.
I would love to take them season tickets off of any angry season ticket holder.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
by yophillybro on Aug 14, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
at first I was like wtf and i dont want any part
but I realized that this team is like our second fam and we bleed green so we must go with our fam to the eventual promise land. (Jason Avant hand thing).
by NJEagle on Aug 13, 2009 11:39 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hey more tickets for the fans
that couldnt get it after it was sold out, fine with me
by dday on Aug 13, 2009 11:40 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I'm not leaving
but I agree with JasonB, I’m not happy rooting for him
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Aug 13, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions 2 recs
Nice post whodie
if they don’t like 1 player…eff em we’re winning anyway.
real fans who are on the waiting list for season tickets might actually get them.
I think it gives us a lot of options on offense, like a dual qb set, with options
I think its good for Vick b/c he can retool his technique and strength under a great qb with a similar style of play & he can go on to bigger & better things….
I totally called this earlier today… i’m just saying…not JIBTA “i told you so”… I brought it up earlier on apost.
What if…
when the NFL declined Nagy’s contract, we signed Vick for a camp arm & released him when he got an offer from another team?
by sports00fan00 on Aug 13, 2009 7:01 AM PDT reply reply actions actions 0 recs
I dont want vick in eagles green
period.
by wild_eagle on Aug 13, 2009 12:01 PM PDT to parent up reply reply actions actions 0 recs
Vick, no reproach
Yes, I agree everyone makes ‘mistakes’, but don’t you have any sense of decency? This ‘man’ abused and killed dogs for a game. What kind of a sick individual should be allowed to even walk amongst others let alone be ‘looked up to’ as an NFL QB.
Maybe if he showed some remorse and donated time/$ to the Humane Society, he’d be taken as a little bit ‘sorry’.
First of all, he has no money to donate. He lost all of it. Second of all, he has been donating his time to the Humane Society and other organizations of the like.
I am with you for the fact that I completely despise what he did and I do agree that he needs to show remorse publicly, but people need to give him a chance to do that. He’s barely been out a few weeks. He will speak publicly tomorrow and there will be an interview on ABC, as well as other chances in the future to show his remorse. People need to give him a chance to do that before they jump to conclusions.
by Smitty2K3 on Aug 14, 2009 12:16 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Maybe Vick needs more time
Smitty: you say that he has only been out a few weeks, perhaps he shouldn’t be in society with 2-legged creatures until he can be trusted with 4 legged ones, I’d love to get a hold of him and tell him to his face what a wimp of a LOSER he i! It’s unfortunate that he is going to bring the Eagles fans down, when HE should be goin’ down!
that is completely ludicrous
He did the crime and he served his time. He has been speaking out agaisnt dog fighting and doing everything he can. He made a mistake but he paid for it, it is time for people to move on. Plus just saying he should not be allowed in society is just a joke.
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 14, 2009 3:08 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
wow
LOL he would destroy you first of all. Secondly who the hell cares the only thing he can do is make us better. He’s not going to make us worse they obviously want him there so I doubt hes going to cause any problems in the locker room and I have faith that andy did all the checking up he needed to do. I dont see the eagles making a move like this without being 100% sure.
Uh, if you tried to fight Mike Vick? Well, you’d fall, terrified, into the fetal position and make a face like Eli does when he’s throwing up wounded duck interceptions.
by UnclaimedFright on Aug 14, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions
OK, we get it. Vick is a horrible man and anyone that continues to be an Eagles fan in the wake of their signing of him is also a bad person. Good? Good. Ok, noe get the fuck out.
Bye, Big Stew and JJ :(
by JimmyK on Aug 14, 2009 12:21 AM EDT up reply actions 8 recs
supposedly the Humane Society will be there at his PC to support him … we shall see.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Aug 14, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Except that he is donating time to the Humane Society
Or is Wayne Pacelle, the head of the Humane Society, just supporting him for the lulz?
by wildcatlh on Aug 14, 2009 9:38 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Vick will be a backup the rest of his career
unfortunely he is starting it with the Eagles.
only lawyers and English teachers should care for grammar are you one?
The Pirates,Reds,Royals, and Padres are not major league teams
+1
It’s not cultural, it’s that he’s a scumbag. Now the Eagles just added a scumbag to their locker room. Didn’t they learn from the T.O. thing? Is Kolb that bad?
by Lombardi.times.5 on Aug 23, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions
To those who are ready to jump ship...
Odds are you are the same people that bitch year in and year out about the FO being too cheap, about the FO not signing enough playmakers, about the FO not showing enough desire to win the Super Bowl…
This move is entirely about trying to make the team better. It is entirely about trying to win the Super Bowl. People deserve a second chance. We need to get passed the disgusting, dispicable acts that Vick did on those dogs and start thinking about the endless possibilities that Vick brings to the team.
I hated this move when I first heard it, but after letting it sit I am now okay with it and anxious to see what kinda shape he’s in.
Having said that, keep in mind that the contract has no guaranteed money… if Vick isn’t in good shape or if he acts out in anyway then he can be dropped in a second with no penalty. My one piece of advice before you quit on your team… let it sit for a day or so.
Second chance?
http://www.turfshowtimes.com/2009/6/19/917396/of-pillars-and-paucity-part-1-of-2
Michael Vick had his own history. Of course, it all starts with the company you keep. In 2004, two of Vick’s homeboys were arrested for trafficking marijuana…. in Vick’s car. (That link details some of Vick’s accomplices that were with him from day 1 all the way up to the federal RICO case) There was Watchgate, an episode that saw Vick’s friend, Quanis Philips (who would later be involved in the dogfighting escapade), steal a security guard’s watch at Atlanta’s Hartsfield-Jackson Atlanta International Airport. There were the misadventures of Ron Mexico, a name Vick allegedly used in seeking medical treatment for herpes after (again, allegedly) knowingly passing it on to a "lady friend." Of course there were the dogs. Most importantly to me, was that even in the midst of the publicity surrounding his case, Vick still failed a drug test. This was not a mistake; this was a pattern.
And Wikipedia has the list in more details:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Vick#Early_incidents
Fail drug test, check. False identity, check. Having sex with someone without telling her he has herpes, check. Killing dogs, check.
So…yeah… This isn’t his first mistake. It’s not going to be his last either. This is going to end exactly like Pacman Jones’ second {*cough*fifteenth*cough*) chance with the Cowboys: an utter failure. Let’s face it: the dude is a douche bag at best.
No, I’m not jumping ships. I’m just extremely disappointed in our FO right now.
RIP Jim Johnson, best ever.
ditto
second chance my arse!! An wasn’t there something with a 15 yr old girl too? IDK, but I used to live near him in VA. Maybe that was his brother.
I’d be remorseful if I lost millions and millions of dollars too. I bleed green, so I just have to believe that they have something up their sleeves.
play it out, lets say we rehab him, he turns out alright, but ofcourse we still want to go with #5 nest year. Can we say TRADE BAIT, as good as we are at drafting, he could land us some decent stock if he turns out alright, and keeps his nose clean.
The 15 year old girl
Was Marcus, not Mike.
But yes, trade bait maybe next year. Mortensen mentioned the possibility of that this morning on ESPN Radio. If he works out, he could net us a decent return in a trade, considering that he’s not signed for a whole lot of $ (in football terms, again) next year.
Dungy
Do we all forget that one of the most well respected, dedicated and influential men in football, TONY DUNGY is in Michael Vick’s corner. He has spent a lot of his life dedicated to helping kids in inner cities and knows when someone is trying to pull the wool over on him.
If Dungy believes that Vick is on the right track then count me in as well. End of story.
by phanatic's phloozies on Aug 14, 2009 9:04 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Agreed wholeheartly Phanatics
Dungy always ran a tight ship and would be willing to release anybody that was a problem child. He is a great judge of character and also believes in second chances. If Tony Dungy says he is remorseful and deserves a second chance then who am I to disagree?
by blueverinefan on Aug 16, 2009 1:05 AM EDT up reply actions
All I can say
is he is working with a ton of organizations. Dungy trusts him and Goodell thinks he has changed… He better produce if needed.
Much like Jason B I dont feel great about rooting for him
but I think once people get past that we can root for the teams success, not his, Frankly I dont care if he scores a TD as long as he gets us 2nd and Goal on the 1 15-20 times this season lol.
I am completely with NJ and Jason. I hate Mike Vick the person. But I love the Philadelphia Eagles and anything that makes the team better, I’m all for it.
Aren’t you guys tired of answering to Cowboys, Giants, and Redskins fans about their teams having multiple Super Bowl trophies each? I can’t stand that anymore. I’m not so sure that Vick will be the answer, but if he can make the team better, then let’s go.
I agree as well
You don’t have to like Vick, but he’ll make the team better
I'm not tired of asking about the Lombardis
This is bad karma. Good luck.
by Lombardi.times.5 on Aug 23, 2009 7:57 PM EDT up reply actions
i was mad when i heard this
but it is what it is … i respect him as a player but not as a person … and when it comes down to it he will perform on the field as best as he can and that’s all i ask for … anything else reported about him i dont care ….
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Aug 14, 2009 12:26 AM EDT reply actions
ive actually taken a new approach to this
i had to look myself in the mirror and realize im not perfect and if i were to f up on this kind of level then i would hope i could be forgiven if willing to change my course … im giving the guy a second chance but not putting away my pitch fork just yet
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Aug 18, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions
Vick should read these posts
Michael Vick only cares about his career and money. He shows or has not spoken or done anything to prove he is remorseful. To know that what he did was ‘beyond cruel’, it was inhumane. Perhaps Vick should have been put through the torture-that he allowed those dogs to go through.
Then MAYBE, he’d feel a little bit of guilt or remorse.
He shows or has not spoken or done anything to prove he is remorseful.
This statement proves you have not paid any attention.
Vick’s prison sentence for dogfighting ended last month, and NFL commissioner Roger Goodell announced his conditional reinstatement in the league a week later. Since then, Vick has made two appearances — one in Atlanta and one in Chicago — on behalf of the Humane Society of the United States. His alliance with the animal protection group, with which he’ll work to combat dogfighting, was announced in May.
The significance of Vick moving to Philadelphia isn’t lost on the Humane Society’s president and chief executive, Wayne Pacelle. “It’s a city we’ve been looking at very closely because it has a major dogfighting problem,” Pacelle said in a phone interview today with our colleague Sam Farmer. “So Vick’s landing there has the potential to turn around the issue. This gives us a big boost.”
Many initially scoffed at the unlikely partnership between Vick and the Humane Society, guessing that Vick’s willingness to participate in its anti-dogfighting efforts was calculated to regain favor with the NFL. But at least one observer, David Squires of Newport News, Va.‘s Daily Press newspaper, believes the fallen star has truly reformed. His time in prison “made me become a better person,” Vick told Squires in an interview. "Because of what I went through, it’ll make me smarter about everything else now. Not just football."
According to the Associated Press, Vick expressed remorse for his involvement in the Bad Newz Kennels dogfighting ring in a “60 Minutes” interview scheduled to air Sunday. In the interview, he says he feels “some tremendous hurt behind what happened,” adding that “I should have took the initiative to stop it all … I didn’t — I didn’t step up. I wasn’t leader.”
and another for good measure … do me a favor take off your blinders
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Aug 14, 2009 12:43 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Wait, Wait, Wait.....
They think that bringing Michael Vick to Philly, it’s gonna help local dogfighting??? What’s he gonna show then how’s it’s done in VA?
“Hey Guys! Vick plays for the eagles now! We gotta stop fighting these dogs!”
come on
he speaks out against it and works with the humane society
plus he has first hand experience with what can happen to you if you get caught. Come on and think now before belittling others.
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
He knows why someone would do it in the first place.
He can use that knowledge, and the knowledge of jail time, to connect with young people in Philly are mixed up in that crowd. It’s like scared straight.
this post
is kind of similar to my wife’s reaction. It’s certainly a valid POV, and it might be where I come down when I’m done sorting it all through.
My brother called me tonight around quarter to nine to tell me the news. As Eagles lifers and people who care about animals, we were both disgusted, and it sat badly with me for a few hours. Watching clips of the Reid and (especially) McNabb press conferences made me feel a little better about it—I’ve always admired #5 as a standup guy and a leader, and that he was onboard with this, even lobbied for it by his own account, matters to me. And I’d be lying if I denied being curious about how they plan to use him.
I guess we’ll all see if Vick is the same cretinous person he evidently was before going inside. It isn’t hard to understand how so much fame and wealth at admiration at that young of an age can turn someone’s head; here’s hoping he has grown up as much as the Eagles must believe he has. We’ll also see if this organization is as “strong” and prudent as they and the national media claim that they are.
You can hate Mike Vick and hate this move. But don’t hate a TEAM that you’ve loved for years and abandon 53 other guys not named Michael Vick that you’ve enjoyed rooting for (or at least tolerated…Matt Schoebel I’m looking at you) faithfully during the Andy Reid era.
I hate the shitstorm of controversy this brings. It’s going to be annoying walking through protesters to get into the stadium (but the Eagles do deserved to get protested for this!) and I can’t till people in the grocery store that I don’t even know are asking me how any self-respecting person can still root for the Eagles.
This will not be fun. BUT MICHAEL VICK IS NOT BIGGER THAN THE TEAM.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Aug 14, 2009 12:36 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
+1
Not because I agree about Vick, but because I agree about Schoebel. The real crime is that he remains on our roster.
by UnclaimedFright on Aug 14, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions
STAND UP FOR YOUR TEAM
Are you Eagles fans really that desperate to have a sick, animal abusing/killing for fun, QB??? I think not. Protest the loser-he doesn’t deserve a place on the team. Yours or anyones!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dude he did his time ….he can only help the team the f.o isnt as stupid as people think, the first time he gets into trouble hes gone
by fly eagles fly on Aug 14, 2009 12:46 AM EDT up reply actions
his name is NYG dog … he’s obviously not a rational human being. He’s a Giants fan who just joined and didn’t even join BBV.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
he can only help thew team????
really? you sure about that?
So far, he’s not helping, there is a HUGE divide in our fan base. That doesn’t help out team.
its a risk, it could bring someting good, or something bad.
What if some freaked out animal rights activist (yes I’m aware that they have his back at the moment) freaks out and does something stupid like droops a ton of red paint from the good year blimp on our field???
Its a risk, I don’t like it at all, but it is what it is.
Can we ban this trash-talking putz yet? He joined just to bother us here on BGN. He’s not even a BBB member.
by UnclaimedFright on Aug 14, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions
+1
The NFL and its teams have to be better than “dude, he did his time” or “I can look past it since he is on MY team now”.
I hate the Eagles, but I always had some modicum of respect for them with their coaches (JJ, Reid, Vermeil) and players (Carmichael, McNabb, etc.), but now, they’ve brought the overall class of this division and the entire NFL down a peg.
by Lombardi.times.5 on Aug 23, 2009 8:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Eagles should soar, but not with Vick
My point is that he shouldn’t even be allowed back to the NFL.
One observer feels he is remoseful, gee that tells it all NOT!!
Fantasize all you want over that loser, but he is going to bring nothing but negativity to the EAGLES and their fans. God bless you all.
Yeah anyone who does something stupid and serves time for it should never be allowed to practice their trade again… Shut up already….
What trade?
Maybe he should go work in a casino, since he likes gambling with lives so much, or perhaps he should work in a slaughterhouse-since he’s had experience. He doesn’t DESERVE to be a part of the NFL, he blew it, now he’s going to ruin a team like yours. I don’t envy you guys!
He was
never linked to actually killing the animals, he was in trouble for funding the dog fighting ring and lying… so go FUCK yourself NYGDOG
by wild_eagle on Aug 16, 2009 12:24 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Here is my simple feeling.
What Vick did was despicable and I think he got off easy. I don’t think he deserves this chance.
BUT, if you disown the Eagles over him, I hope you aren’t a Phillies fan. Because that means you condone beating women. If you didn’t disown the Phillies when Myers beat his wife, then you shouldn’t disown the Eagles now. I am not saying what Vick did wasn’t worse (it was) what I’m saying is that if a heinous crime is worth disowning a team over, follow the logic all the way.
I get the comparison—and a lot of us have always felt kind of icky about Myers since then. But it’s not a perfect equivalency: most obviously, Kim Myers evidently forgave her husband, and more than three years later they’re still married, raising their kids.
Yes, the sort of mentality that could contemplate striking a woman, a much smaller one at that, is entirely repugnant. But Brett Myers didn’t kill his wife, he didn’t torture her, he didn’t make her fight other women to the death. The matter was adjudicated and, by all accounts, resolved. The dogs that suffered and died as a result of Vick’s actions and non-actions had no such satisfaction.
I didn't say the actions are comparable.
But if you are willing to disown a team for one, but not the other, you implicitly condone the other. I understand all the differences: Myers didn’t kill anyone, his wife forgave him, etc. It’s still horrible. What Vick did is about 1000x more horrible, true. But if supporting the Eagles means supporting Vick, then supporting the Phillies means supporting Myers. One crime maybe worse (much, much worse) but that doesn’t mean the other is acceptable.
Personally, I think that logic is ridiculous. Supporting the team does not mean supporting every player on it. I actually don’t really care if Vick fails miserably. If he does I hope Reid will have the sense not to play him. And I don’t care if Myers ever comes back from injury. Yea, he’ll help the bullpen, but I think we’ll get it figured out anyway, even if it means a few tense games.
I thought for sure he was going to cleveland
get it, the dog pound, lol ha ha ha I made a funny
well i say fuck the haters
and fuck the PETA man one of these day ima set up a lil kitchen and kill a lobster in front of them and cook it and eat it in front of em
thats for taking 2 years of a man life just for dogs
not a man, dogs, not a man, dogs,
stallworth kills a man and get 28 days
vick deserve his chance
this guy is amazing athlete
and eff all the haters who jumped of the eagles bandwagon
eff you and your grandma and momma vagina crew
cause we winning anyways……
by dday on Aug 14, 2009 1:10 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
You dont know the meaning of classy
Classy isnt coming on here and saying stupid shit such as:
*
Maybe he should go work in a casino, since he likes gambling with lives so much, or perhaps he should work in a slaughterhouse-since he’s had experience.
Im not even going to continue because it only gets less classy from there..
But hey since Vick is a dog killer maybe I can have him kill you after I make you my BITCH…
Stallworth should have gotten more, that much I agree on.
Take all the dogfighting, and all his previous crimes out of the mix….
What does Vick bring to our team that we don’t already have and have better?
bad move in my opinion.
The lobster comment made me hungry
How would you feel if....
The headline read “Michael Vick signs with Dallas Cowboys”? Would Professor Whoodie be complaining about self righteous Cowboys fans who said they were done supporting the team?
The only thing anyone has to do in this world is die. If someone wants to dislike Michael Vick because he bankrolled an organization that tortured animals, they are free to do so. If they don’t want to root for Michael Vick’s employer any more, that is their choice. If they realize that they would react with righteous indignation to a Dallas signing of Vick and recognize that the awful taste in their mouth is rank hypocrissy the moment they find themselves even thinking about rationalizing a home town team signing of Michael Vick (“Sure, Vick is a bad guy, but he wears my team’s color’s, so he is our bad guy now, let’s support him.”), don’t call them self righteous. Call this person consistent. Call this person honest.. Consider carefully your reaction to the question “What if the Cowboys signed Michael Vick?” before criticizing an Eagle fan for asking out loud whether or not a game is worth betraying some other conviction that they might have.
I came out before Vick signed with the Eagles and said I believe he deserves a chance after I was one of the most vocal about how repulsive his actions were. So yeah I’m pretty comfortable with my stance.
I think it’s pathetic what he has done but I’m pretty sure if half the people condemning him took a look at the skeletons in their own closet they’d be quick to slam the door and lock it before anyone else could see.
And you obviously missed the point of this open letter.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Would you...
Would you free Manson on the grounds that everyone screws up?
no and I would have given Stallworth more than 24 days in prison too.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
So...
Stallworth got off way too easy in the courts. What you are saying then is is that sometimes we ought to hold people’s past conduct against them, even if they did their time and say they are sorry?
Charles Manson was a burglar, a pedophile rapist, ran a under 18 prostitution ring, and a murderer if you want to put him in the same class as Vick and others than you are delusional.
Second I didn’t say that Vick should be freed, he is free and thus deserves a chance to become a contributing member of society. It’s somewhat insane that you can’t see the difference in a man who served his time and a man still serving.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Now you have missed the point
The point is that every person has a line for what they will not forgive. No one forgives Manson, no matter how many skeletons are in their closet. Many will not forgive Vick, and their own imperfections are not relevant.
That you drink beer and play poker ( the hypothetical skeletons I will propose are in your closet for the sake of illustration, no character assasination is meant or implied in any way) does not mean you have to forgive despicable people who do dreadful things. You would not be self righteous if you boycotted a publishing company for publishing a collection of Charles Manson love poetry. You would have just said " this crosses the line for me, and I am not doing business with Publisher X.", and that is your right to do so. That you have occasionally drunk too much beer or lost too much money at cards does not mean that you can’t meaningfully conclude that Manson is a horrible person and anyone who gets what they want by dealing with him ought to be called out (Yeah, that means you Geraldo Rivera) for doing so.
Some people feel that the Vick signing crosses the line for them, and they want out. That is their right. That people are not perfect does not make them wrong to stand by their convictions. You can call out Manson for being Manson, no matter what you have in your closet, and you arte not self righteous for doing so. People can call out Vick for being Vick, no matter what they have in their closet, and they are not self righteous for doing so. They just drew the line somewhere different from where you did..
Leaving the team you supposedly love for trying to do the right thing is wrong no matter what you think of the person, let’s get that straight first. My nephew was a pain in the ass yesterday but I’m not going to take it out on my sister.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Slice it any way you want
But selling your personal principles for a game (yeah, football is just a game)seems to be a poor trade.
Sorry that your nephew was a pain in the ass yesterday, but family is family.
But selling your personal principles
but that’s the thing you’re not selling your personal principles. You’re choosing to be open to the fact that people can better themselves, or simply choosing to support your team in spite of the fact you despise the player.
If your personal principle is that people can never change well then I feel sad for you because I have personally witnessed amazing turn arounds from people.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
wow your going to
quit rooting for the eagles just because of 1 guy??
thats stupid, there are 52 other reasons to root for the eagles.
Actually
I am tired of the way the game.
When I was an assistant coach in college a few years ago, I got stuck with a player from the previous staff. He took a year off with, um, legal issues. He was caught stealing O2 tanks from the geriatric unit at the university hospital. He was allowed back on the team.
This dude stole oxygen from the part of the hospital that treated the elderly. He was stealing breath from grandma, all to make a few bucks selling hot O2 to a local oxygen bar. And, oh yeah, he let down his team, coaches and team mates by depriving them of his services and talents (which is a very small footnote in this matter)because he wanted to make a few bucks by stealing air from old people.
This sorry excuse for a human being and mediocre at best football player was allowed back because that is what the game does. It looks the other way and holds its nose. I was once part of the problem, and I hate that about my past.
I just don’t want to be any part of the problem any more, even as a casual spectator. Football is just a game, no matter how hard we try to convince ourselves otherwise.
I have worked for many companies that hire felons, a lot end up fucking up and either getting fired or going back to jail. Some do succeed and perform very well, that small percentage to me makes it worth it. I don’t see that as being part of the problem but part of the solution. If you see it the other way well then maybe your glass is half empty.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
The point is
People sometimes change. Normally they don’t. The people that change stand out in our minds because they are the exceptions that prove the rules. ( 95% of the people that enter AA and get through one month in the program do not make it through one year sober. The 5% are the exception. The other 95% are the norm.)
That is why we don’t invite crack addicts to stay in our houses, pedophiles to baby sit or thieves to house sit. Sure, they may do the right thing and be responsible, but let us be honest, we don’t expect that outcome. We would like to see it, but we know the odds are terrible.
Note to the hysterical: These are examples for illustrating a point. No one is being called a pedophile or crackhead or a thief.
If Michael Vick becomes a better person, it is up to him to do so. Nothing that I or you can do can improve him or make him a better person. His struggle is internal and personal and you and I have no part in it.
I am just not inclined to spend my entertainment dollars or free time supporting Michael Vick or his employer/ If Brad Pitt ran BadNewz, I wouldn’t see Inglorious Basterds either.
don't kid yourself...
if the guy could pass or un a sub-4.3, the Raiders would sign Manson if they could.
by Lombardi.times.5 on Aug 23, 2009 8:10 PM EDT up reply actions
A Cowboys fan being concerned about the Eagles character issues is not only ironic, it’s very suspect. Because I’m sure you loved the Birds before this signing.
by UnclaimedFright on Aug 14, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions
That's moronic...and somewhat expected
Some things transcend rivalries.
Didn’t you get that when Cowboys fans came on here and expressed heartfelt sadness at Johnson’s passing?
by Lombardi.times.5 on Aug 23, 2009 8:12 PM EDT up reply actions
Pigskin or Dogskin
What do YOU think Vick prefers his hands on? I wouldn’t want him anywhere near my team- he doesn’t deserve to clean up an NFL locker room. That’s the truth and that’s the way it will stay. Vick’s unspeakable actions have ruined his life and will now ruin the Eagles for taking him.
You're a Giants fan, right?
So you are a Michael Boley supporter?
Oh wait, did you read this?
I’d say we can all agree that spousal abuse is worse than Vick’s crimes. Just a question, which one would you prefer to have on your team again?
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
I’m still waiting for this guy to man up and respond to me.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
He's a giants fan
he doesn’t do well under pressure.
Personally, I absolutely hate vick, but I’d take him over peyton’s retarted lil brother any day
Listen
I hate the Eagles, but if you’ve read any of my comments/posts on BBV i give credit to the Eagles where credit is due and don’t just make statements like “eagles suck!!!!!!!! lol!!!!!! lmao!!!!!! donovan is trash he is the worst QB ever lol!!! donovan mcnabb? more like donovan mcstupid lololol” … no point to any of that.
what you need to do is look back at our season, and look at all the games Plaxico did not play in. (did not PLAY in at all, not games he didn’t start). tell me what you find out. and to supplement that, look at games that Plaxico did not start in…. for example the Steelers game, when the general public, the media, and the steelers knew plax would be benched.
after, research our pass rush from week 13 and on. then compare it to week 1-11. you’ll notice something amazing. and then you’ll understand why we fell off so hard, and why we went and signed 3 line guys.
I didn’t find anything amazing. And I didn’t just guess, I saw your season.
We were merely stating that eli is not the best football player in the NFL, not by a long shot. But now his paycheck says he is, and we think thats retarted.
but this is for another blog
the highest paid player in the league is Carson Palmer, if you look into it. and if you look into those games I told you to, you would realize that we performed better offensively without plax in the game (not to say we’re a better team without him, though… a team with plax is a much better team than without, this is just how it breaks down). what you would also realize is that our d-line’s efficacy went way down and we couldn’t generate a pass rush (fred robbins injured, tuck injured…).
the point is your entitled to your opinion but this is an analytical and smart football blog, you’re better than just regurgitating what ESPN and casual football fans mistakenly take to be the reason we trailed off at the end of the season and lost to the eagles in the playoffs.
carson palmer or not though, 97 million is a ridiculous number for any Qb to be paid, but in a league where QBs like stafford and sanchez never play a down and ink contracts for 65k, a proven franchise QB is going to get around 130% of that from now and on. The markets trending towards these huge contracts… philip rivers will ask for big money around eli’s or more for sure.
according to this article, his new contract makes him the highest nfl player
http://www.nfl.com/news/story?id=09000d5d811e2c8f&template=without-video-with-comments&confirm=true
from week 13 on you only won 2 games, lol
your d-line was not responsible for your team only scoring 8 points against dallas in week 15
All I’m saying is that after he shot himself, your team got pretty bad
I personally think he’s going to be a waste of a roster spot we can use on a young player. I do not exactly support this signing. However, I’ve decided that I do not like NYGDOG and I want to hear him respond to me with reason, logic, and above all due respect for the opinions of other rational human beings.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
yeah, same here
the FO has something up their sleeves. They probably just figure that Pihlly is great at dealing with controversy, so lets bring him in, rehab him, and see what we can get for him in a trade. Cause we just plain don’t need him, but there are plenty of teams out there that do, if all the controversy was over. Make sense?
yeah
he also set up a secret camera in his sister-in-laws room at his house when she stayed
...Suppose you were running a company.
…You wanted that company to present a certain image.
..An individual representing the strengths your company needed to succeed were available, but there were some frightful bones in their closet. – you know, like he enjoyed torturing dogs for sport…
…Would you take the risk on that individual representing your company or would you just stay away?
…
I for one would just stay away.
I am fantastically disappointed in the Eagles FO for signing this individual to the team. If they give him #7, I might shit myself. I wrote a book report about Jaws when I was in the 4th grade…
I knew Ron Jaworski and you Michael Vick are no Jaws.
yeah
I hate this signing, and I was hoping that at least he would take a different number, you know, to symbolize a change in himself, but my brother told me he saw on the news that he is getting #7, so here we go. at least we’ll forget about t.o. now
Bleeding Green Nation?
You’re all gonna be seeing red with that low life loser as an ‘addition’. Good Luck Philadelphia. Vick is making y’all sick!!
I want you to respond to my posts.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Vick chose an inferior species. One that he could control and physically abuse as a game/money making thing. I am not saying that human beating is okay, however it is taken more seriously in the court system. Any type of criminal activity should be invesitgated and taken more seriously in the NFL.
And as far as Eli goes, when was your latest SB win????
I had....
A physically challenged kid in a wheelchair punch me in the face when I was in high school, and it hurt. They get lucky every once in a while.
Dan Marino never got his ring, so eli is better then him? LMFAO
Truth hurts ya doesn’t it?? Just like those dogs got brutally hurt from your new QB, I hope you’re not proud he’s now an Eagle.
Dan was great and Eli is too. Remember he hasn’t been in the pros that long. You’re all into giving chances to animal abusers/killers……………….
no, not all
personally I hate vick, but I still love my birds
I never said anything about Eli. To the point:
In response to the way you suggested he “chose” dogs: It is not as if Michael Vick invented dogfighting. It was something that he or his friends likely grew up around.
That is not to say that I consider him to be a victim of circumstance, as everybody acknowledges that he is guilty of both federal crimes and animal cruelty. What I am asking you is whether gaining a second chance after beating a defenseless human (i.e. a linebacker beating his wife) and gaining a second chance after committing acts of animal cruelty (i.e. bankrolling a dogfighting ring) are really any different.
I don’t see why one should, in your opinion, get to keep playing and the other ejected from society forever. And I really don’t understand why you draw the line at dogs but not at humans.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
You’re basically said Vick is a pussy for doing this to dogs, rather than what? people, can he name a superior species in relation to humans? so if he did this to a higher advanced alien species it would be acceptable or more manly?…. cause an inferior animal, rabbits, can make a superior animal, cats, attack each other? it’s a horrible thing, yes, but i don’t see what ur getting at, & i don’t thing you do either
"Leave Michael Alone!" - said like that Brittany Spears fan on youtube
by sports00fan00 on Aug 18, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions
Wow coming from a guy whose team, had a wife beater, a self-shooter...
Your just terrific sir, and I applaud you. Hows Antonio Pierce doing? He’s the UPS for guns. I’m not a fan of Vick as a person but seriously you of all people should pick your battles.
+1
You said it all with the second sentences. Dogs are put to sleep everyday, animals are hunted for sport everyday, animals are killed to be flashy clothes…..and suddenly he’s the worst person on the planet. Jesus died for our sins and forgave us. I think we could forgive Vick.
Dogs are put to sleep everyday, animals are hunted for sport everyday, animals are killed to be flashy clothes…..and suddenly he’s the worst person on the planet.
People die everyday, some are taken off life support, or have their feeding tubes removed. So does that mean it is ok to electricute, drown, rape them, or force them to fight while you place bets on them? Then lets add lying about it.
weather or not what he did was wrong is not an issue, it was wrong and he knew it. And he knew what would happen if he got caught.
I'm not saying he was right
But it doesn’t matter if you shoot, electrocute, drown, etc. whatever (animal or anything that breathes). Murder is murder. And in my opinion, the murders he committed to those dogs was just as bad as hunting for sport or killing a horse because it has a broken leg. Does that mean he was right? Hell no. Does it make it right anyway killing any animal (whether its sport or to get your rocks off)? No. But someone has to step up and say I forgive. In the holy book it says “Forgive and Forget.” But since he’s a public icon people will never let him live it down. You can’t change yourself and convince everyone you’re changed if no one gives you a chance. I got a rap sheet longer than the lyrics for Rapper’s Delight. And when I finally wanted to change someone said ok. We’ll give you a shot. Now, I’m one of the top students in the state of Tennessee and studying to become a Neurologist. At least give him a chance is all I’m saying. And I’ll be one to give it to him.
by macjack09 on Aug 14, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
You're not saying he was right?
Wow, that’s amazingly big of you.
Your entire opinion on the subject leaves me with the hope that you never get to work outside of Tennessee.
by Lombardi.times.5 on Aug 23, 2009 8:16 PM EDT up reply actions
I’m sure Jesus doesn’t even factor into Vick’s life. For if he did, then Vick wouldn’t be have chosen to stay on a rotten path.
so now jesus doesn't apply to anyone who doesn't choose the right path by the time of your liking
i am pretty sure its people like vick who need jesus the most you moron
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
by sctrojan13 on Aug 14, 2009 3:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
dude, stop!!!
he’s been in prison for 18 months and that will change a man… i don’t care if it was minimum security prison or freaking shawshank. for all we know, he could have found God, made a complete 180, and really wants to live a decent life.
+1
Light him on fire and send him to hell?
But seriously give him a second chance
Oh, he’s created his own hell and now he has to live with it. I just don’t think he should take anyone else w/him.
When Vick scores on you
and we win that game, Im personally going to rub it in your face with a fanpost… Mark it down.
I for one am happy for the signing
say what you want but from a purely football stance this is a great move. could you imagine the team that has to go up against McNabb, Vick, Westbrook, McCoy, Jackson, Curtis and Maclin. Thats alot of talent and speed.
But on the who Dog Killer thing…. I was ready to hang him right off the bat but he paid his debt, and what can you say? Dungy who i believe is one of the greatest judges of character ever!
And do you really believe if he hasn’t changed we would keep him?? i Think NOT!
totally agree
at least the eagles have nutts
and it makes all the other organization look like whimps
sure we loose a couple in fan base
but we will gain more
because they will all come back and wishing they never jumped off the bandwagon
G'night guys
Nice chatting with you, even though we don’t all agree on our fav. teams. We all must take into consideration what type of human could enjoy doing things like that, you can’t just erase that from someone’s personality because it will suit your team.
Guess it’s the difference between Gals like me and Guys like you.
Have a good night:)
I'm sorry, but I had to say this.....
I’m a Niners fan, and picked this up link up on ninersnation.com. I actually like the Eagles, mostly because of my unrelenting hatred for Dallas. I’ve always like Reid, McNabb, Westbrook, the whole bunch. Now that Vick is an Eagle, I can see how many of you are upset. But I actually joined this site just to say how ignorant and laughably stupid NYGDOG is. People who bitch and complain about Vick like this moron is doing shows how dumb some people in our country are. He has REPEATEDLY ignored any comments about people doing things to other people (Stallworth, Little, Lewis, Boley, etc.) just to argue about Vick’s dogfighting? Seriously? I like dogs as much as the next person, but you look like a self righteous, high horse riding, PETA endorsing psychopathic NUTJOB. It irritates me so bad when people want to do everything for animals, and nobody seems to care about human beings.
I just had to rant about that. I read thirty posts by this guy, and every one of them made me want to throw up. And Vick paid his price. He gave two years of his life in prison for dogs. Leonard Little and Donte Stallworth kill two people, and they get what, a month in jail?
Good luck this season, Eagles fans. I hope Vick is a success and shows that retribution is possible. He deserves his second chance, and I hope you guys back him. Yes, what he did was terrible. But he was a man about it, paid his time, and wants to move on.
And NYGDOG, Eli sucks. I don’t care how many Super Bowls he wins or how much money you guys ignorantly give him. He sucks.
by Blank x2 on Aug 14, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions 6 recs
rec’d
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Aug 14, 2009 2:00 PM EDT up reply actions
NYGDOG=JIBTA???
think, wild unrelated stats, random insults.
Defends a losing cause till the death..
there are simularities… (sorry JIBTA if its not you.)
I actually think NYGDOG=Some PETA idiot
by blueverinefan on Aug 16, 2009 1:14 AM EDT up reply actions
My Hobby
Sometimes I hang out around PETA people and talk very loudly about how much I love eating veal
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Yeah IronHank your
my fucking hero… you should be proud I only get a new hero every week or so… Its an honor…
I went to a circus cuz I had to do something for my school there and the peta people were protesting there, so I sat the Burger/chicken/Hotdog cart right in the middle of where they were, To top it off I knew 2 cops that were working the event so they made sure they didnt do anything, they were protesting me for selling meat… I gladly offered them some.
man dude you should join me
on messing with the PETA People one of these day
like set up a barbecue and kill a lobster or 2 like a salvage
in front of their faces
and see their reaction
and get some ribs and chicken wings
and cook it and eat it in front of them
they are mostly vegans
so it should make them puke
and they are the most annoying tree hugging ever
i like vick
I worked in a restaurant before. Have you ever seen how they prepare broiled lobster?
It’s actually kind of fun. Grab the biggest knife you can find, push it gently through the live lobster’s back, and pull it directly through the middle of its face. Then wait for it to stop squirming before you rinse it out and put it on the pan. Make sure to use plenty of clarified butter!
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Not even entirely sure who that was directed to or what that is supposed to mean.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
i used to play high school football.....
now all i do is sit on my ass and play madden. it’s the natural order of things.
Yeah after I blew my ACL out,
I played madden on my PSP, I was godlike after about a month, I played it so much I had to buy a new psp cuz I wore mine out and it was breaking down…
But yeah im sure Im not playing in college not because Im not good enough(some d-2 or d-3 school would take me theres millions of them) but because Im thinking about joining the Airfore straight out of HS and going into Para-rescue.. its amazing and was that thing ive always wanted to do but didnt know what it was called or if it existed.
I disagree w/ the post prof Whood
I dont think this guy has paid until hes out of the NFL. He doesnt belong in Green. Its an honor he doesnt deserve. I will support My Eagles but not this decision. I dont like the vibe it brings. He may work out great but I love my Eagles for alot of reasons and one is I know Im always cheering for a good guy, this is no good guy and a yr in a cushy white color prison wont change that. I agree he should be out of jail but I dont agree with him as an Eagle, just like I dont think possesion, manslaughter, spousal abuse, weapons charges, assult, and Staroid use should be a slap on the wrist.
This is a job, an amzing job where you have to accept responsabilities like any job- in this particular job you serve as a abbasador for your city and a role model (you know it going in)- ecspesialy if your a QB. I dont want this guy represnting the City of Philly. Thats fine he got his 2nd chance but in our society your second chance is being aloud to become a citizen again not a multi million dollar contract QB for a superbowl contender. Sure he served his time now hes out so Godell and our FO says ok yuor good enough to represent us again. The NFL policy is still a joke.
Regaurdless I BLEED GREEN, but that doesnt stop me from being disapointed. being a fan doesnt mean Im blind to my moral code
I see what your saying Whoodie and respect it- you dont want fans jumping ship and booing thier team, neather do I- that stuff drives me nuts- with me you have nothing to worry about- I wont, but you know me from before, these kind of decisions linger with me brother and its on the FO- they knew this wouldnt go away
RIP JJ
by MeanGreen5 on Aug 14, 2009 2:26 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
By cushy white collar prison
Do you mean Leavenworth Federal prison? The man did two years in FEDERAL prison. I dont know if your just not intelligent enough to grasp what the means or you just want to turn a blind eye to the facts but either way you sound stupid with that remark. Look I dont know how I feel about this signing myself. I think he deserves to play because he served his time. Whether you can acknowledge that or not it is a fact. Right now, as a fan, im more concerned about how he fits into the Eagles game plan. Does he take throws away from McNabb? Does he take carries away from Bwest and Shady? Does he take receptions from DJax, Curtis, Avant, Celek, or even Maclin? I dont know but I hope not. Even considering all that… the man CANNOT be in football shape at this point. It’s just impossible. There is alot of crazy talk going around for a guy that we probably wont even see on a gameday until late October early November. If you are a fan you support your team… WHENEVER. Thats how it works. You can hate Vick all day but guess what the man is an Eagle now so get over it.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Aug 14, 2009 3:05 AM EDT up reply actions
Doosh
I try to be civil I make one mistake with the facts and you come accrosed like an ass. Im making a good case and thats what you pick out of it. Fine 5 years in a federal butt fuck prison wouldnt change how I feel and if you rewad every damn line I wrote you would see that I said over and over I support my team I dont support the desision
being a fan doesnt mean you turn a blind eye to your morals. his crew kidnaped neighborhood dogs and later killed them in different ways ranging from drowning, hanging, electicution- not ok with me
I am a civil BGN’r i post about my opinion its asses like you that rip on people and ruin a convo. dont give me an intelligent rant or a fan rant this internet BS is rediculous everyone is a tough guy infornt a computer. next time correct me and make your point- belittle me and your an ass. IM A FAN I BLEED GREEN I DONT LIKE THE DECISION I WILL CHEER REGAURDLESS. this sie was made for the purpose of sharing info and oppinions not badgering people for them.
RIP JJ
i should rec this post
due to your amazing spelling capabilities
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
comon dont rip on that
i know i got pissed and look what happens
I cant spell regaurdless so give me a break
RIP JJ
when you spell like that
it makes you look like a five year old and makes people respect your opinion less. Please learn how to spell and then people won’t think you are some pissed off thirteen year old who is spouting the bible-beating principles of his daddy.
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
alright thats enough
I was angry. I rushed it. Dont make an argument about my spelling. This belitteling garbage is getting rediculous. Im trying to get a point acrossed thats it. get over the spelling and stop tryin to make me look bad. If I did that myself fine but lets talk about what was said not how I said it. I thought you were being light harted the first time now I can see you were just being a dick. I dont care enough on a football site to proof read or spell check- were all guys here move on and talk football
RIP JJ
im sorry
I will try to stop belittling you and acting ridiculous. I understand the point you are trying to get across. I actually was being light hearted but at the same time i was making a point. I will try to not be too much of a douche. (The last one isn’t on there but I thought you might like to know how to spell your favorite insult) I still stand by my previous post.
R.I.P. #34
R.I.P. JJ
W6G...Go Halos!!
"This is America, if we can’t self-righteously look down on others and blame them for our faults, the commies win."-----Cormican on Aug 13, 2009 7:28 PM PDT
you dont know when to stop
I get it I spell like a child, Im not a child though and I make good points on this site and I use the right resources to make them- I have never spelled all that good to begine with but tonight I was pissed. It may look like a pissed off kid writing but its not and you over and over agai pokeing fun and cracking jokes at my spelling makes you look like a child. No spell check here and I wanted to say something. You attacked me and made comments at my expense. Nothing you said had anything to do about the post Most people are big enough here to not belittle somone because of bad grammer and spelling so I felt free to let er rip. Its a football blog at 4 am. get over yourself
RIP JJ
by MeanGreen5 on Aug 14, 2009 3:56 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Oh crap, its the grammar police.
People who attack you over grammar and spelling do so because they dont have anything of substance to say. To take the spotlight off of their stupidity they attack you over something so trivial.
sctrojan13 go fuck yourself with a dictionary!
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
two years in federal “pound me in the ass” prison
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Yeah but in federal prison I hear they use lube.
I find the harder I work, the luckier I get. Thomas Jefferson
if vick helps the eagles
win a superbowl i know that will change most of your non-vick-approving minds.
"Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
Pause
All of you need to pause and think. This man made a mistake, he acknowledged his mistake and he paid the price. Now, he is just trying to make it back to his prior livelihood and play the game he loves.
Now, I know that none of you would ever put yourself in such a position but just imagine for a second, what would you do if you were in his situation?
Michael did something wrong, haven’t we all? He deserves a second chance just like everybody does. If you were in his shoes wouldn’t you want people to understand? Wouldn’t you want people to leave you alone and let bygones be bygones? Wouldn’t you want people to understand that you’re sorry and that you’re truly regretful?
All of you who are bashing him and claiming that you are done with the Eagles should be ashamed of yourselves because not only are you proving to be self righteous, but you’re also proving that you’re fair-weather and front runner fans. Toss aside your self righteous attitudes and support your team in a time where they’re going to need all the help they can get and more importantly support a human who has the weight of the world on his shoulders.
by d-jackfan10 on Aug 14, 2009 4:44 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
dude
i had planned on writting a letter just like this today. You beat me :)
I am an Eagles fan... therefore I am now a fan of Mike Vick
by 700 Level on Aug 14, 2009 8:01 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
hello all
I can honestly say I was probably the most vocal anti-Vick person on this board. I even wrote a post about how he is a terrible human being, not just because of the dogs. However, to those eagles fans jumping ship, just realize that there is a genuine possibility he changed. The eagles have been known to keep a classy organization and shy away from controversy. The fact that they felt comfortable signing him to me indicates that he may have actually changed. My judgement is clouded by 21 years of eagles fandom, but it can’t end now. I know I won’t love Vick like I love the rest of the eagles, but I trust the team to do what’s best. Go eagles (and that statement now includes Vick).
For everyone who is making light of his 23 months in federal prison I invite you to go comit a felony and serve just 1 month and tell me if it really was as “cushy” as you believe.
If Vick messes up not being an Eagle is the least of his worries he is on probation for 3 years during which if he fucks up its back to federal prison to serve the rest of his time (4 years)
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Most of them
Wouldn’t survive 1 day in Leavenworth.
It’s a 1 year deal that’s probably going to be worth $1.3 million in the end (I’m going on the assumption the suspension will end after week 3). In football terms, he’s not getting a lot of money. And if he screws up, the Eagles wash their hands of him, and he’s back in Leavenworth.
Look. He’s got Tony Dungy in his corner. He’s got the head of the Humane Society in his corner. That’s good enough for me.
There's a reason people go there...
and it isn’t to find out what it’s like.
You’ve completely missed the point.
Because he has some God-given talent, we’re willing to treat NFL players in ways we would never treat a common man?
This is what can bring a league to its knees over time.
by Lombardi.times.5 on Aug 23, 2009 8:21 PM EDT up reply actions
+100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000
I’m onboard brother.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
vick as eagle
as soon as he scores that first TDer at the linc, all the doubty mustafa’s will jump back on the band wagon…
any one who claims they’re an eagle fan shouldnt jump ship so soon…
PC at 10:30 we’ll know then.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
i'm so excited!
(quoting Pineapple Express)
by sports00fan00 on Aug 14, 2009 9:41 AM EDT up reply actions
i wonder how Jaws will feel about that…
by fitzy first on Aug 14, 2009 10:02 AM EDT up reply actions
only if they sign him as a QB
but then he’ll have to be 2nd on the depth chart or he won’t get in the game
or we could sign him as a punter or kicker, that would be interesting
by sports00fan00 on Aug 14, 2009 9:40 AM EDT up reply actions
those so called eagles" fans" will be back after we win the super bowl. Go EAGLES
eff you we winning anyway
by eagleswin on Aug 14, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 1 recs
I just want to make a point about your letter. First let me say I am all for giving the guy a second chance, hell I don’t even think he deserved the 6 week suspension, now that doesn’t mean that I wanted to sign him on my team, but he deserves to play. My problem with your letter is that he did not make a “mistake” a mistake is one lapse in judgment, this was premeditated, thought out, and planned. He knew what he was doing was A) wrong B)illegal anc C) inhumane, or else he would not have gone through the lengths he did to try an cover it up.
From my standpoint, he did his time he has apologized for his actions (and they seemed sincere) and he should get a chance to play again.
Good luck with Vick, hopefully not too much luck, and we’ll see how it all turns out.
I may agree with you on (B), but not on (A) and ©. I hate to say it, but he was brought up in a culture where dogfighting was considered to be just something you did.
I live where is was brought up, and dog fighting is not just something you do. I am not saying it isn’t done by people, but anyone who does it knows that it is wrong.
he didnt make a 'mistake' or have a 'lapse in judgment'
he had a lapse in character, which is shown through the number of bad choices he made in the past, including the company he kept and things he did
i truly believe his time in prison and with tony dungy humbled him enough to rebuild his character and become a better person and member of society
i just really hope he doesnt prove me wrong
"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk
Really?
“I may agree with you on (B), but not on (A) and ©. I hate to say it, but he was brought up in a culture where dogfighting was considered to be just something you did.”
Just because he grew up in a certain “culture”, saying to him it wasn’t “wrong” or “inhumane” JUST because of where he grew up, that sounds a little racial. We know where Vick grew up, and lumping all of these people together as not caring about dog fighting could easily be seen as a racial stereotype.
Had nothing to do with race
It’s a southern thing. Not a racial thing. Most of the people participating in dogfighting are southern whites.
by wildcatlh on Aug 16, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
meh
just because you are conscious what you are doing is wrong doesn’t make it less of a mistake. Choosing to do the wrong thing is the mistake and we learn from our mistakes and don’t do it again.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
This is all I’m going to say regarding the Michael Vick signing.
From a football standpoint, great move. Got him for next to nothing, and he is an enormous weapon no matter how you use him. And no, you don’t just lose talent like that after 2 years – it’s still there, you’ll see.
From a moral standpoint, I could care less what he did in the past. The important thing is that he is remorseful, rehabilitated, and actively pursuing a different life for himself. He has done everything required of him by society, so let the man pursue his craft, damnit. And for the record, I am a dog owner.
Finally, why are so many people disappointed in the Eagles for this move? If anything, you should be proud of Reid and Mcnabb for going out of their way to support this trouble guy. This is a great situation for Vick to be in, and I’m glad our franchise is able to give him the extra support he needs to move on with his life.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Aug 14, 2009 12:23 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Absolutly southjersey89!
I completely and wholly agree with what you have said.
I am so proud of the Eagles for being willing to bring in Vick to help him get back on his feet. The Eagles Organization is and has been one of the most quality and stand-up franchises in the NFL for years. I love that they take qualify character into such strong consideration. If anything, it makes total sense to bring Vick in to be apart of a team that, character-wise, is the NFL model and to be mentored by guys like McNabb.
This says a lot about the Eagle’s commitment to the important aspects of life beyond football.
by Mitchell Green on Aug 14, 2009 1:13 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I wont
leave the eagles for anything.. REAL fanhood is for life and you stick with your team through the 0-16 season and the 16-0 seasons. You stay with them whether they trade away all there good players or take a flyer on a man(vick) who did something horrible but payed heavily for his crime..
Im glad the eagles gave him a chance, I was shocked at first but the more I thought about it the more I figured it could be a good thing…
Once again Im not angry about this, the man served a 23 month sentence plus a few months of house arrest, he is also in debt BIG TIME… Goodell seems to trust him now so I think we should.
I say Eff those pussy’s who leave cuz Vick’s here, they can go root for the Steelers and Pats but when we smack them all over the place they better not return…
EFF ’EM WERE WINNING IT ANYWAY!!!!!!!
Don't say "No one bats an eye", Professor.
Incorrect. I bat an eye at the felons and murderers in the league. It’s abhorrent. Goodell may be a little harder on crime than his predecessors but the NFL is still desperate for clean-up. In my opinion, criminals — in particular, violent criminals — should be banned from the league. These guys were my heroes. These guys ARE my children’s heroes.
My initial reaction was shock and f this, so I can understand why people would think this way. But after reading a bit more on the whole thing, I think that is a pretty poor attitude. First, Vick has a lot of stand up guys pulling for him, including Tony Dungy, McNabb, a lot of the players throughout football etc. Second, I dont understand the move from a football sense, but with the recent and unexpected injuries to the team, it makes you realize that in the NFL you need good plans C and D. You never know what is going to happen, and the roster spot might be worth it. Going along these lines, using Vick as a run first QB (I mean him running) might not be such a bad idea. McNabb can still play, but there is nothing wrong with giving him a few plays off every now and then. That way, he can stay fresher longer, which can only be good. Westbrook is sort of in the same boat, and McCoy is a rookie, and Buckley/whoever else shouldnt be relied on heavily. Add in Weaver and that is a pretty deep running game, which is probably one of the most underestimated things to have on a team. Its just a simple fact that guys get tired, and that depth and less plays for everyone will help guys stay fresh. Freshness, everything else being equal, will improve the play of everyone on the team.
Also, I am really worried/hopeful that the O Line comes together. They could be so awesome, and it would be a shame really if they were just mediocre. I realize that is a tangent.
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by Mentalbillionaire on Aug 14, 2009 11:41 PM EDT reply actions
One thing I actually do like
Whether or not you like the decision on Vick, one thing I do love and its that just about every time I turn on Comcast, or ESPN, they are talking about the Eagles. As Jerry Jones put it so delicately, who cares if its bad press – its still press.
And while I’m typing a post, I think Stallworth should go to federal prison for 23 months for that terrible performance he had with the Birds…glad we got rid of THAT guy.
Mistake?
having a bad night with the boys can generate a mistake. 6 years of cruelty is the man. he’s a pervert who got off on death and torture. mistake my ass.
ray lewis- i saw some quotes on here that were totally made up. he’s innocent. he made a one night mistake. wrong place wrong time wrong “friends”. could happen to anyone if their drunk and hanging with dudes they don’t really know. i doubt ray knew anyone would pull a knife. obstructing justice charge? pick your poison- nark on gang members or mislead police. trouble either way. ray got a great lawyer sorted it out and won. one night.
jamal lewis- a “friend” called and asked where they could get drugs. he told them. OMG. lock him up. call any college dorm and ask where you can get some weed. BFD.
did ray or jamal carry their actions out for 6 years. no. young dudes making rookie mistakes. vick- older, “team leader” with premeditated and long lived crimes. mistake?
have fun and paint this as rosey as you want to if it makes you feel good about your teams ownership.
pick your poison- nark on gang members or mislead police. trouble either way. ray got a great lawyer sorted it out and won.
LOL he rolled over on two of his friends in order to get the murder charge dropped. Get your facts straight bro.
Jamal Lewis help set up the drug deal he didn’t just point him in the right direction. So who is painting rosey pictures. Listen what Vick did in funding the dog fighting and allowing it to happen is despicable and I’m not defending that. I am defending his right to move on and make amends just as Ray Lewis was allowed to and Jamal Lewis and countless others.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
comments record?
I think this might be the most comments i’ve ever seen on a non gameday post
If you say you are an Eagles fan, and all you do is complain about the franchise, why even bother?
Amen
Let the man play and the first time he scores on some spectacular play it will be all forgotten
Edd
To all the Eagles fans jumping ship
I throw you exploding life vests.
You don’t deserve to be football fans if you don’t root for your team based on this.
Do what Jerry Hairston do
well Im a football fan
I hate the Eagles (and Cowboys….the Cowboys much more tho….), but if your a football fan and jump ship from a team, you don’t deserve to watch football.
Granted there are plenty of people that do this, but as a diehard Giants and football fan, they make me sick (at least when the game’s on….given that most of these folks are females, I can’t rip on em….)
Do what Jerry Hairston do
by FreeBradshaw on Aug 22, 2009 9:10 PM EDT up reply actions
Does this mean he gave the dogs herpies too?
By the way im on ship as i said before, i dont totally root for this guy because giving someone a person an STD knowingly is attempted murder… isnt it? And lets not mention the dogs.
All in all everyone deserves a second chance, and i have faith in the F.O becides that CURSE of a quote from banner.. bla bla bla most talent .. yea all the talent is sittting on the BENCH
Ok some of the talent is sitting on the bench…. ALOT of guys are sitting on the bench… I saw we sacrifice booker and use the parts to rebuild the injured team
I agree we
should sacrifice Booker but mixing his parts with our non-sucky player’s parts will infect them with bookers sucky-ness… We need so sacrifice someone with some sort of talent and ability thats just underutilized… Reggie Brown maybe?
Do Andy's sons deserve a second chance?????
I wonder how many people who are against Vick joining the Eagles have the guts to tell Andy that his sons don’t deserve a second chance. How many have the guts to do that? Based on Andy’s press conference, he started looking at Vick’s situation around the same time he had to deal with the drug charges against his sons a couple years ago. If anyone remembers, that was a down year for the Eagles. Andy’s mind wasn’t in the game and the team suffered….which is understandable. He had to be in court with his sons and coach the team at the same time…….How many of you would leave your job to be in court with your son/daughter if they had been arrested for drugs.??….or would you have turned your back on them and say…..‘they don’t deserve a second chance". Andy loves his sons, he stood by his sons, he supported his sons. He had to deal with the court system because of his sons. His sons went to jail……Now…..I dare those who are against Vick being on the team to go up to Andy and tell him his sons don’t deserve a second chance. We all know the affects of drugs, the lives that are lost because of drugs….what drugs can do to a peson. In my opinion anyone who deals with drugs is a low life…..but, if they are looking to turn their lives around, they deserve that chance. Andy’s sons deserve that chance. I’m also a dog lover. I’ve had dogs and cats all my life…but I also believe that Vick deserves a second chance. Hmmmmmmmmm….wonder how many of those jumping ship have skeletons in their closet that they’ve been hiding….hmmmmmmmmmm……….
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