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The 5th Round: Andy Gets A (Massive) Gut-Feeling


It's July 8th.

The only thing going on in the football world at this time every year is Brett Favre deciding whether or not to play the game again.

Because the Eagles don't need a QB, and because the Eagle faithful could care less about the never-ending Brett Favre "drama", we usually have little to talk about.

I was surfing the web, thinking of ideas for a story, when I got the urge to look up some NFL draft history. (Has that statement ever been said before in the history of the English language?)

Out of curiosity, I decided to browse through the past Philadelphia Eagles drafts. And after a lot of grueling research and analysis, I came up with one conclusion: During Andy Reid's tenure, the Eagles have found a vast amount of "under-the-radar" talent within the 5th round of the draft.  In other words, while the rest of the coaches are taking a snooze during this round, Andy Reid raids the fridge for a midnight snack.

Star-divide

Let's take a look at the history of the 5th round:

1999:  No Selection
Andy Reid's first draft as a head coach. Although Reid and Co. do not have a 5th round selection, they strike gold with a different aspect of the number five; Donovan McNabb.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: TE Jerame Tuman, DT Rod Coleman

2000:  No Selection
Andy Reid's second draft as a head coach, and second draft without a 5th round choice.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: LB Clark Haggans, DE Kabeer Gbaja-Biamila

2001: TE Tony Stewart, QB AJ Feeley
Okay. Maybe TE Tony Stewart wasn't a real fond pick, but QB AJ Feeley isn't bad at all. In fact, he is a quality back up. He has done more than his fair share for the Eagles, including getting traded to the Dolphins for a 2nd round pick, not doing so well there, and then coming back to us. I personally think it was all apart of an Andy Reid plan.  A conspiracy! Just kidding. But all I know is that QB AJ Feeley was the best player drafted in round 5 of that year. Chalk one up for Reid!

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: RB Derrick Blaylock

2002:  WR Freddie Milons
This is truly the only 5th round where Andy dropped the ball.  Freddie Milons was in the league for two years and was done, never ever finding a team. The 5th round this year was loaded with talent, but Andy wasn't attracted. It's okay, though. Even Einstein made some mistakes, right?

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: LB Andra Davis, DE Aaron Kampman, LB Scott Fujita

2003:  No Selection
Another draft in which the Eagles didn't have a fifth round pick. Only two players that were drafted in this round of 2003 caught my eye, but I am glad we chose not to take them. For we have better now.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: G David Diehl, C Dan Koppen

2004:  FB Thomas Tapeh
The Eagles drafted late in the fifth round of the 2004 NFL Draft, and in due process we missed out on RB Micheal Turner. However, we did pick up a pretty decent FB in Tapeh, who, while he was in an Eagles uniform, did perform pretty well.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: FB Mike Karney, RB Michael Turner

2005:  DE Trent Cole, G Scott Young
Boom! This is the Eagles best fifth round draft of the decade. DE Trent Cole was the signature draftee.  He had the most sacks in his first three years than any other drafted Philadelphia Eagle with 25.5. He also made the Pro Bowl in 2008.  Pretty fantastic for a 5th round pick if you ask me.  The other player that was drafted that round was G Scott Young. He was Andy Reid's Mormon Player of the Draft, and has provided the Eagles with a serviceable back up in case of a tragedy. Chalk another one up for the big man.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: T Daniel Loper, OLB Michael Boley

2006:  WR Jeremy Bloom, LB Omar Gaither
2006 was a "hit and miss".  The Eagles drafted WR Jeremy Bloom, the Olympic skier, to provide for a serviceable punt return and kick return game. Bloom's biggest accomplishment in the NFL was being recorded for an Under Armor commercial. Certainly not what the Eagles had in mind. However, they did strike gold with their other 5th round pick, LB Omar Gaither from Tennessee. Gaither is a loud, vocal leader who provides depth at the linebacker position, and may push for the starting gig this upcoming pre season.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: TE Quinn Sypniewski, T Ryab O'Callaghan,  S Dawan Landry

2007:  CB CJ Gaddis, TE Brent Celek
2007 was also a "hit and miss". The Eagles drafted CB CJ Gaddis out of Clemson, and released him two months after they signed him. The Eagles had no opportunity to draft WR Steve Breaston, the only other player worth drafting in the round that year, simply because he was selected before the Eagles' pick. The Eagles had no use for him anyway, with wide receivers Reggie Brown, Hank Baskett, and Jason Avant under development. Andy Reid found his "diamond in the rough" with TE Brent Celek.  Celek is still young and developing, but has shown glimpses of a dependable TE, especially in the NFC Championship Game, where he hauled in two touchdown receptions.  His performance was enough to boot former Eagles TE LJ Smith out of town.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: TE Kevin Boss, WR Steve Breaston

2008:  No Selection
The Philadelphia Eagles did not have a fifth round selection in this draft. In my opinion, they didn't miss much.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: RB Tim Hightower

2009:  TE Cornelius Ingram, S Victor "Macho" Harris, T Fenuki Tupou
Most experts' final grade of the overall 2009 draft was an A, and most of their picks were selected in the fifth round and beyond. Therefore many people believe that Andy and his staff did an excellent job in the later rounds. Cornelius Ingram is a versatile, athletic TE who may have went higher if not for an injury. "Macho" Harris brings toughness and character to the safety position, and Fenuki Tupou brings his 314 lbs. self to the masses of the offensive line.  Time will tell if any of these picks will pan out. We have every reason to be optimistic.

Significant players drafted in Round 5 that year: To be determined.


I'm not sure how he does it, but Andy Reid has a knack for finding talent in this round, especially the past five drafts.  He may have excellent scouts, he may have a keen eye, or he may have one massive gut-feeling (probably the answer), but he does do work. These may not be the most engrossing pieces of information, but I thought it was at least a little bit interesting.

And even if Andy totally whiffs on the 2009 5th round selections, he chose three men named Cornelius, Macho, and Fenuki.

For some reason, I respect that.

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only gaither & cole are like hitting gold

i’d much rather had drafted turner than tapeh in 2004
& turner might be the best 5th rounder of the decade over cole
though I am hopeful Harris, Ingram, & Tupou make the statement above false

by sports00fan00 on Jul 8, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions  

no way

Awesome DEs are way more valuble than RBs.. It would be SUPER hard to replace Cole’s production, not so much to replace Turners

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jul 8, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions  

Turner would have been great

If he had not been selected before our pick

by AlecTheMan on Jul 8, 2009 9:47 AM EDT reply actions  

Drafting NASCAR’s Tony Stewart was pretty stupid.

by JimmyK on Jul 8, 2009 9:56 AM EDT reply actions  

4 of those 10 drafts...

He didn’t even have a pick ,and 2 more were busts completely.
So, what I’m saying is, I appreciate your post. It is informative and a good look at the past, however, your point of finding (Gold)talent in the 5th round is negated by your statistics shown.
Thanks for the info though.

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jul 8, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions  

I was going to...

Just do the past 5 drafts (his best), but I had nothing else to do.

by AlecTheMan on Jul 8, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions  

A great offseason post

Not a lot of starting talent in the 5th round. If over a 10 year period you can get a few starters, much less a pro-bowler, in the 5th you’ve done a great job.

And the sly gut-check jokes added to the fun. Well done.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Jul 8, 2009 11:05 AM EDT reply actions  

interesting...

after reading your post i think you disproved your own point. He’s had maybe 3 or 4 good 5th round draft years…

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jul 8, 2009 3:21 PM EDT reply actions  

while the rest of the coaches are taking a snooze during this round, Andy Reid raids the fridge for a midnight snack.

Hahaha

"If they end up 2-14 and both of those wins came against Dallas, that's a pretty good year."

by midnitegreen on Jul 8, 2009 5:17 PM EDT reply actions  

If you believe Garry Cobb

I remember reading on his site before the draft that the Eagles were interested in Kevin Boss that year. I believe Boss was drafted before Celek that year.

I actually liked the Bloom pick at that time. I thought there may have been some potential and it wasn’t like they were giving up a high pick to take that chance. I thought a 5ht round pick was worth the risk. Of course in hindsight it was a crappy pick, but I’m not going to jump on Reid’s case for the Bloom pick.

Sometimes it's just fun to take the family for a spin around the lake in the old boat. Even if it's not your family or your boat, and they're screaming for you to stop.

by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Jul 8, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Agreed. At the time, our return game was garbage, so it made sense.

by JimmyK on Jul 9, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions  

4 starters in 4 years

you all keep saying he disproved his own theory, but I don’t think he did. You can’t compare 5th round with earlier rounds. To get 4 starters out of the 5th round in 4 years is exteremely good… especially when one of them is a pro bowler.

 I wouldn’t call Tapeh anything special, but he was a decent starter, then with Cole, Gaither, and Celek, I think that’s a pretty good success rate. You have to remember that the majority of 5th round picks are either backups or don’t even make their team’s opening day roster.

Kudos to Big Red. And kudos to AlecTheMan… good read during an exteremely dull time in the season.

by Smitty2K3 on Jul 9, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions  

I think a lot would depend on this season. Being a starter by definition alone isn’t really a big deal (for a 5th it’s solid, but not noteworthy). If it turns out Celek is not starting caliber TE material, and Gaither rides the pine, Reid only picked up one mainstay starter in the 5th. As you said getting starting talent late is tough, but I’m not impressed by being named a starter alone. Those two guys definitely have the chance to exceed that, but haven’t yet.

Obviously Cole is a hell of a pick, and a great find in the 5th, But if Celek and Gaither were to falter, it’s more of a massive gut, one good feeling than anything else.

by FredEx on Jul 9, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

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