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Do the Eagles have the potential to be THE dominant team of the next 3-5 years? 32 part series...


Buckle up!!!  I'm about to go a REALLY, REALLY long way (yup, a 32 part series that's likely to get at least moderately annoying at some point) to answer a question about the youth, depth, and talent on this Eagles team...  Do the Eagles have the potential to be THE dominant team of the next decade?  It's a pretty bold question... so let's take a look at every single team in the NFL, beginning right here with the Philadelphia Eagles...

Star-divide

The Offense - Starters (and their ages)

QB - Donovan McNabb - 32

RB - Brian Westbrook - 29

FB - Leonard Weaver - 26

WR - DeSean Jackson - 22

WR - Kevin Curtis - 30

TE - Brent Celek - 24

LT - Jason Peters - 27

LG - Todd Herremans - 26

C - Jamaal Jackson - 29

RG - Shawn Andrews - 26

RT - Stacy Andrews - 28

The Offense - Key Reserves

QB - Kevin Kolb - 24

RB - LeSean McCoy - 20

WR - Jason Avant - 26

WR - Jeremy Maclin - 21

WR - Hank Baskett - 26

WR - Reggie Brown - 28

TE - Cornelius Ingram - 24

C/G - Nick Cole - 24

G - Max Jean-Gilles - 25

(Ages are as of 7/2/09)

Average Age of Offensive Starters - 27.18 years old

Average Age of Offensive Reserves - 24.22 years old

Donovan McNabb is 32 years old and recently received a pay raise on his contract, which has 2 years remaining.  Clearly, barring injury, the next 2 years are his.  It's too early to tell what happens in 2011, but the Eagles love McNabb's backup, Kevin Kolb.  We've seen McNabb get the Eagles close, but many (myself included) believe that this Eagles team is the best in recent memory (and yes, that includes the team that went to the big game in 2004).  The next 2 years are do or die for McNabb. 

Brian Westbrook in 2007 was the best running back in the NFL (apologies to you, AP), as he topped 2,000 yards from scrimmage and basically was the Eagles offense.  He took a massive dip in production in 2008 due to a collection of injuries.  He recently had surgery to remove bone spurs, but the coaching staff is confident he'll be ready for the regular season.  Will he still be productive going into the next decade?  It's certainly a question mark.  I have my doubts.  The Eagles drafted LeSean McCoy as Westbrook's successor, and we'll soon get our first look at our new backup RB.

That's pretty much it with the question marks on offense going into the next decade.  The youth, depth, and potential of the rest of this offense is downright scary, and I just don't see any real holes.  None.  The offensive line is big (333.6 lbs per man) young (27.2 years old on average), mean, and nasty.  The receivers are extremely young.  Jackson, Maclin (optimistically), Avant, and Celek (our likely 1-2-3, and TE going into the next decade) average 23.25 years of age.  Seriously, that's ridiculous.  The QB and RB (our 2 best players) may need to be replaced within the next 3-4 years, but their replacements will be in about as good a position as anyone could possibly ask for.

Moving along...

The Defense - Starters

LDE - Juqua Parker - 31

DT - Brodrick Bunkley - 25

DT - Mike Patterson - 25

RDE - Trent Cole - 26

SLB - Chris Gocong - 25

MLB - Stewart Bradley - 25

WLB - Akeem Jordan - 23

LCB - Asante Samuel - 28

FS - Quintin Demps - 24

SS - Quintin Mikell - 28

RCB - Sheldon Brown - 30

 

The Defense - Key Reserves

DE - Chris Clemons - 27

DE - Bryan Smith - 25

DE/DT - Victor Abiamiri - 23

DE/DT - Darren Howard - 32

DT - Trevor Laws - 24

LB - Omar Gaither - 25

CB - Ellis Hobbs - 26

CB - Joselio Hanson - 27

CB - Jack Ikegwuonu - 23

CB/S - Macho Harris - 23

S - Sean Jones - 27

Average Age of Defensive Starters - 26.36 years old

Average Age of Defensive Starters (if Abiamiri wins LDE starting job) - 25.63 years old

Average Age of Defensive Reserves - 25.63 years old

Holes - Eh, not so much.  OLB, maybe.  Let's just keep this short and sweet...  This unit was ranked 3rd in the league in defense last year, is returning 10 of 11 starters (you'll be missed, Dawk), and at 25.63 years of age on average (if Abiamiri wins the starting job), this defense is going to be outstanding for a long, long, long time.  Is this the youngest unit in the NFL?  We'll soon find out.

 

Unrestricted free agents after the 2009 season

-  Jason Avant

-  Hank Baskett

Winston Justice

-  Max Jean-Gilles

-  Nice Cole

Dan Klecko

-  Omar Gaither

-  Chris Gocong

-  Leonard Weaver

-  Sean Jones

Number of starters on that list - 2

 

Money currently available under the salary cap - $24,819,687

Poll
Do you think we'll soon find that the Eagles are in a position to be THE dominant NFL team of the next decade?
Yes
332 votes
No
63 votes

395 votes | Poll has closed

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Great. Thanks.

Now I wont get any work done lol. Great work again Bye Dawk. Looking forward to the series.

I think the Falcons, Texans, and Packers are up and comers, and you can never count out the Cheatriots.

by tkrisa on Jul 2, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Thanks bud. Falcons, Texans, Packers? Not a big fan of defense, huh?

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 2, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texans have Mario, Ryans, and Okoye, then went out and drafted Cushing and Barwin. Lots of potential of defense, especially in that front 7. While not one of the premier units right now, they have some very good pieces in place. Adding some secondary help could put them off the top long term (that and everyone panning out to their full potential)

by FredEx on Jul 2, 2009 11:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MOST DEF

i gots 2 agree w/ my man , the texans hav a sick sick sick defense , wat the hell ru talkin about BYE DAWK, Demeco Ryans and Mario Williams alone r enough to make this defense special for the next 10 years easy, add in Brian cushing, Dunta Robinson and add a couple more players and im glad the birds dont hav 2 see them twice a year. Now if they had a real QB to go along w/ All Pro Andre JOhnson and future All Pro Steve Slaton this could be a team the COLTS and the rest of the div. should be very wary of. If Shaub stays healthy and improves this team could possibly fight 4 a wildcard and dont laugh now but possibly , yes possibly THE DIVISION. I know i can hear everyone laughin but im tellin u watch out.

by goldenbird09 on Jul 3, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Texans defense...

- 24.6 points per game allowed – ranked 27th in the NFL

- 336.6 yards per game allowed – ranked 22nd in the NFL

A couple good players doesn’t make a defense.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 3, 2009 10:07 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indeed. They have the potential to be so. They currently are not.

by FredEx on Jul 3, 2009 11:55 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

thank you

thank you for pointing out those statistics for him. texans defense is not that great. some really good playmakers but Defense has to be a system. eagles D plays as a system and we dont have no ryans or williams.

by EagleClaw on Jul 13, 2009 3:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Only thing

You dont think that our starting 3 wide recievers should be, Curtis, Jackson and Maclin? and im reading that Ingram is showing some good blocking ability in camps so far (litttle to go off but all we got so far) and we all know Celek couldnt even cock block if he tried. So with Ingrams athleticism i would love to see him getting alotta reps in some double tightend sets. But yeah no way Avant is better than Curtis, hes way too fast way too smart of a reciever.

by EagleClaw on Jul 13, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think to start the season Jackson and Curtis will start with Avant as the 3, but hopefully Maclin will prove to be way too talented to keep on the bench.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 13, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think the lions and raiders have the most potential… just kidding. good job, bye dawk. this should be a fun ride.

by awd777 on Jul 2, 2009 10:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

lmao

"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh

If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 3, 2009 12:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I do like what the Texans have been doing lately. They’ve come a long way for such a young franchise. Also really excited about the development of Flacco and Ryan. Looking forward to reading the next 31! Keep it up Bye Dawk!

Fly, Eagles, Fly...

by Bob_Q on Jul 2, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yes

they have such a young core and the front office is continuing to build from the inside out, replacing older players (i.e. dawkins) with younger guys, that arent necessary rookies (i.e. Demps).

itll be really scary if a team that has, in a sense, dominated the past decade, can dominate the next decade.

by 5uperman on Jul 2, 2009 11:47 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Dude,

Always excited for your posts, you do a great job!

I agree with the guys that beat me to comments, especially on the Falcons and Texans. I think both of those teams have made huge strides the last couple years, except I can’t explain why the falcons sold their defense this offseason.

We are no doubt stacked and I think we’re all excited for this year especially, but ultimately we love the core that has been developed and that we are working around.

The five answers to your question concerning dominance for the decade are going to come in the form of:

Kevin Kolb
LeSean McCoy
Shawn Andrews
Quentin Demps
Stewart Bradley

These are the guys that are either completely unproven with huge potential(Kolb/McCoy), have shows sparks(Demps), or are the young and solid rocks that we need to continue to stay healthy and produce at a high level for years to come (Bradley/Andrews). If these pieces fall into place, then we’re good.

"What did it feel like? That collision, I ­didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs

by jalarsen1 on Jul 2, 2009 11:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

you need to add

like 10 more eagles to that list

"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh

If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 3, 2009 12:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you're right

I just wanted to keep the list manageable. Every player is obviously vital to our operation

"What did it feel like? That collision, I ­didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs

by jalarsen1 on Jul 3, 2009 7:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

gotcha

"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh

If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 3, 2009 1:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Why they will:

The Eagles are one of the best run franchises in NFL. They have great talent, and often fill in their holes before any hole is actually created (the drafting of Lito and Sheldon). The same kind of things that happened last decade will transpire again, and with a Superbowl win or multiple wins, the Eagles would be viewed as the dominate team.

Kevin Kolb will fill in seamlessly, a la Aaron Rodgers, to bring great talent and stability to the arguably the most important position in the league, QB.

McCoy becomes a diet version of Westbrook. Much like Kolb, the RB transition is very important as Westbrook is such an important part of our offense. McCoy possessing a similar skill set, masters the playbook in his first two seasons, and takes over in his 3rd.

Maclin backs up that top 10 prospect grade, many had given him. Not expected to have to contribute in any capacity as a rookie, Maclin plays in a reserve role and is able to polish his route running, that will lead him to eventually be a dominate threat.

Jackson builds off his success last season and continues to grow as a player. Likewise, Celek builds off his late season success and becomes one of the better TEs in the league. Avant blossoms into a crafty slot specialist, and Ingram is match up nightmare coming off the bench.

The O-line gels together and stays healthy. The talent is definitely there, and they are relatively young. The line is skilled and nasty and turns out to be perennial top 3 line for the next 5ish years, until the next crop of Andy Reid lineman are ready to take over.

The defense continues to improve. An already young group of players build off their success last season. The front 4 is very good hands, with guys like Cole, Bunkley, Patterson, Laws, and Abiamiri all 26 and under. They continue to grow and set the tone for the players behind them.

Bradley continues to be a beast in the middle. Gocong, Jordan, and Gaither while not great players, improve their game. They are far from bad players, and with talent around them, they will be good enough to not disappoint. If one of them can step up, it could put this defense over the top.

Jack becomes better than Asante, or close enough to make it a discussion. The secondary is the oldest of our defensive units. If Jack’s first round talent can come to fruition to replace Sheldon brown, this secondary should be good long term. Asante has some time left, and Demps showed flashes of being good player. Mikell is aging, but has less wear and tear than most, and continues to be a top 10 type safety.

Why they wont:

It’s really, really hard to be dominate for an entire decade. We’ll have to keep up our winning ways and top it off with a Superbowl victory, probably at least two times, to truly to be considered such.

Kolb is not answer and/or leaves town. In a QB driven league, and with McNabb not getting any younger, the Eagles will not be a dominate team if they don’t have a legitimate QB. The fact we love to pass the ball compounds this issue.

Westbrook runs out life sooner than later, and McCoy turns out be much more like Ryan Moats than Westbrook 2.0. He fails to ever be an effective between the tackle runner.

Maclin never becomes an effective route runner. Even with all his athleticism, his inability to run proper routes and create separation, dooms his career. Jackson was a flash in the pan, and/or his undersized frame doesn’t withstand the rigors of being the Eagles number one WR. Celek and Ingram never learn how to block, and are only marginal receiving threats.

The offensive line tanks. Peters allows multiple digit sacks, with the Andrews brother’s not even being healthy to play. Andy Reid drafts more Winston Justices.

The LBs get old without getting better. The OLBs never take that next step, and the team is in unable to draft a real difference maker.

The D-line falters without the game planning of JJ. They become exposed as averagely skilled, undersized players, who had the benefit of some of the best game plans. The pass rush suffers, making everyone behind them struggle.

The secondary, and team for that matter, actually did need Dawkins. They become lazy and unmotivated. Sheldon throws a fit, and Jack and Hobbs are mediocre at best in his spot. Mikell never matches his play from last season. A very good athlete in Demps never becomes a starting caliber safety.

Summation:

If any team can dominate next decade, the Eagles have as good a chance as any. They already posses a very good roster capable of winning a championship, and on paper have very few, if any, holes. (The OLBs are weaker than you’d prefer, TE is questionable, no “number 1 WR”, FS perhaps) The teams has youth on it side in numerous positions, and is perceived to have solid depth at most positions.

For the decade on a whole, Kolb and McCoy are likely the two most important prospects for Philadelphia. It’s the NFL, shit happens, things are unpredictable, but the Eagles look to be in great shape.

by FredEx on Jul 3, 2009 1:08 AM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Yeah, good breakdown ...

… Although, to be fair, your reasons why Kolb will “fill in seamlessly” lack support. :)

“Mikell is aging” … he’s 28 with one full season as starter on his body. Wow, the criteria for aging ain’t what it used to be.

“Jack becomes better than Asante” … now that’s funny.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Jul 4, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

the statement that caught me....

mccoy turns out to be more like ryan moats than westbrook 2.0. i can’t remember who called this before the draft……i pray otherwise. i tend to think the competition at louisiana tech was a little less stiff than at pitt. let’s hope so.

by snowhill82 on Jul 4, 2009 6:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

this is why i love bye dawk

he gives me interesting shit to read in this god awful time of year for football…rec’d


"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid

by BroadStBullies on Jul 3, 2009 2:24 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Biggest question mark

with apologies to the morning people at WIP:

Will Andy Reid continue to be the coach? If he stays, I see no reason things won’t be as you predict. If he goes, we are looking at either Mornhinweg or someone from the outside. Morty will probably keep the core intact, but hasn’t proved he can win as a coach (wasn’t given much of a chance in Detroit). An outsider would probably dismantle the team and start over.

The main key, therefore, is Andy Reid. If he stays on as the HC, it should be a sweet next 10 years.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Jul 3, 2009 9:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Is there any reason to think Andy won’t be here? What was WIP’s reasoning?

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 3, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As far as I can tell...

their reasoning is based on an intense personal dislike of the man, stemming from either the fact that he’s generally non-commital during interviews, or jealously of his close relationship with Eskin.

"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant

by NJBammer on Jul 3, 2009 9:43 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Right...

I figured as much. Reid’s contract ends after the 2010 season, so we have him for the next 2 years. If he didn’t quit when BOTH of his sons were heading to jail with drug charges in separate incidents, I’m not sure what else would make he leave.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 3, 2009 9:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i cant see him leaving on his own without a ring

and i dont see the higher ups getting rid of him anytime soon

"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk

by BadCo'09 on Jul 3, 2009 4:45 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree with Bye, Dawk ...

… he’s already withstood the types of things that would end a coach’s tenure … underperforming roster (at midseason anyway) and off-the-field turmoil.

I think Lurie knows there aren’t many better options than Reid and he’s going to sink or swim with him.

Not only that, but I think the organization values continuity more than most, although this was an offseason of upheaval. Now that the roster was basically hand-picked for Reid’s WCO and Johnson/Johnson protege defensive coordinators, and its young and talented, making a change would seem foolish, even if it (at times) would satisfy a fiesty public

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Jul 3, 2009 11:43 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andy does have a ring.

He was the the packers assistant coach and then the QB coach in the 90’s. Not sure if coaches and people like that get a ring. Mabye, any of you know?

Eagles fan since December 10, 1995

by Eagles675 on Jul 8, 2009 12:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, actually, he wears it, and it has a big Green Bay logo on it. Personally, I find it a little off-putting that he wears another team’s logo, but that’s just me.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 8, 2009 1:05 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

a ring of his own

not as an assistant, as a head coach and front office guru

"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk

by BadCo'09 on Jul 14, 2009 6:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

your right

he will die before he gives up, does anyone else notice how bad andy reid is lookin with all of his coughing and wheezing. If he were to (God Forbid) get sick he would probably work himself to death.

Eagles fan since December 10, 1995

by Eagles675 on Jul 16, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

GREEN MAN!

by BirdBrane on Jul 3, 2009 9:31 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it’s all about kolb.
If Kolb doesnt step up and be the quarter back the coaches think so highly of, then yes we certainly can be THE dominant team.

We all know Donny’s time is about up. so my biggest concern is quarterback when he leaves.

by bigd81 on Jul 3, 2009 10:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

two words

Mike Vick

relax im just kidding, get ur blood pressure back down

but seriously, ur right, if kolb is a dud then were screwed for at least 3 seasons

"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk

by BadCo'09 on Jul 3, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Free Agency

I see how you laid out the 2009 UFA’s, but can you also show me the rest of the roster and when their current deal is up?

I think the Eagles need to be concerned with one thing and one thing only; historical relevance.

Not having won a Super Bowl in the Andy Reid era is problematic for two reasons. First, he doesn’t have that many chances left, given his age, his weight and his owner’s dwindling patience. Second, and maybe more importantly, no one will remember the strides this team made 10 years from now. After all, you could make an argument that Philly has been consistently in the mix more than anyone except the Pats over the same span of time. Football is unforgiving like that.

By the way, what is the latest on Jim Johnson? I haven’t heard anything on ESPN or NFLN.

by Lombardi.times.5 on Jul 3, 2009 11:02 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I see how you laid out the 2009 UFA’s, but can you also show me the rest of the roster and when their current deal is up?

http://www.eaglescap.com/next.html

First, he doesn’t have that many chances left, given his age, his weight and his owner’s dwindling patience.

Utterly retarded on infinite levels.

By the way, what is the latest on Jim Johnson?

Likely not returning… http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/6/25/924198/a-look-at-past-jim-johnson-proteges

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 3, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

2011 looks like the roster you posted will be changing...

I’m betting a couple of those Eagle FA’s will become Cowboys.

Sorry to hear about Johnson. I have tons of respect for the man.

by Lombardi.times.5 on Jul 3, 2009 11:38 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The Eagles have a long history of extending contracts of good young players long before their contracts expire. Not worried.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jul 3, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah

I’ll take that action. Name the last significant young free agent the Eagles lost. Derrick Burgess maybe?

Reid seems to be on a “coach for life” track with Lurie. I think the owner knows that Super Bowl titles aren’t easy to come by even when you do things the right way, and unless Belichick suddenly had a burning desire to coach the Birds, he can’t do a lot better than Andy & the guys he surrounds himself with.

Definitely use Eagles cap for your contract needs. I back that recommendation.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Jul 3, 2009 11:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m betting a couple of those Eagle FA’s will become Cowboys.

I’d be totally cool with that.

When’s the last time the Eagles let go a player that ended up biting them in the ass?

When’s the last time the Cowboys signed someone that made the Eagles one bit worried?

In both cases, probably before Andy Reid got here, lol.

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jul 4, 2009 6:16 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Won't know til 2011

The question refers to next decade. 2011 will be telling with regards to QB and who we can expect to lead the team for the following 8 years.

We don’t have a QB on this roster signed beyond 2010 so it should interesting.

by andyreidswaistline on Jul 3, 2009 1:13 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

That's definitely a ? mark

if not a hole going forward. But given the entire D is so young, and the line and skill positions are stocked with youth too, it’s basically a matter of finding a QB/letting McNabb play as long as he can/keeping as many FAs as possible.

The Eagles really are set to be good for a while. The question is whether they’ll ever be great once.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Jul 3, 2009 11:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

to be honest

I may get stoned for this but i believe mcnabb could still be good for another 5 or 6 years barring serious injuries but the only way he will stay here in 2011 is to elway it out. I think we could be the team for the next decade. But it is so easy for a team to fall apart(super bowl hangover) but with this young team i dont see us doing any major remodeling until 2014 or 2015 by then we hopefully have a bowl(pray to god two). then we deal with like a 7-9 or 8-8 records for a year or two then finish out the decade in dominance. You never know

by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jul 3, 2009 4:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

if this line keeps him protected and andy runs the ball some more

then McNabb can prob stay another 5 or 6 years, but those are two big ifs

"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk

by BadCo'09 on Jul 3, 2009 4:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

5 or 6

sounds like a lot, but I guess it’s possible. Dude keeps himself in pretty good shape, and there are definitely quarterbacks who have played into their late 30s. I think the WCO is probably an offense where a QB could still function even if he loses a step, as long as he has the arm strength, understanding of the offense and quick release. Gannon and Favre had some great years in this offense at 35+ … I could see McNabb doing that.

Still, two is really the only safe bet. I think McNabb, if he’s still playing at a high level and the QB pickings elsewhere are quite slim, is one of the guys the Birds would make an exception for as far as giving a new 2-3 year deal in his 30s.

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Jul 3, 2009 11:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i agree yo

i dont see why Mcnabb cant bang out another 5-6 seasons.

by EagleClaw on Jul 15, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I don't think there's any doubt they have the POTENTIAL

to be dominant.

But as my old running backs coach used to say, “potential means you ain’t done &$^! yet.”

Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome

by D3Keith on Jul 3, 2009 11:31 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Summarized in one sentence

Who knows.

They have as good a chance as any team to be a dynasty over the next decade, but who would have predicted that the Pats, Colts, Steelers, & Eagles would be the teams to beat of the past decade? It’s basically impossible to predict that far — the roster has completely turned over just about since 2006, let alone 2000 or 1999. Not only that, but it’s turned over like 2-3 times.

So to predict if the Eagles will be dominant, it’s almost pointless to say who our players are today. I recognize that we’re young, but in 5 years we won’t be, and we’ll have a completely different Eagles team. Maybe to predict that 1-5 players are still on that team in 2014 is reasonable, and then maybe a couple holdovers for 2019-2020, but wow — that’s a loooong ways away.

My point is that if you predict best teams over the course of a long time (e.g. decade), it becomes increasingly meaningless as the # of years you predict goes up to use players as the predictive source.

What you should use is the FO’s history. It’s fairly safe to assume that the Eagles will continue to draft well if our FO is the same, but there’s no way to tell if other teams will become just as good or better than the Eagles at drafting. Likely? No. Possible? Yes. Maybe Reid & Co retire with McNabb or something. Maybe Kolb is neh (I don’t believe he will be), and we’re stuck without a QB for 3 years. Etc.

I realize you’re taking stuff like this into account, but really I think if you’re going to use AAOP (average age of players), the best predictive value they offer is 3-5 years into the future. After that, there are 53 question marks on the roster, just like for any other team, and the only constant will (hopefully) be Andy & Co. If he’s better at what he does (& Banner / Lurie at what they do) than their 31 counterparts, we’ll be the dominant team of the next decade. If not, we’ll slide into mediocrity and find new guys who will be the best at what they do.

by Alon on Jul 4, 2009 11:04 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don;t think you can think of any team in

the BEAST as the next dominant team.

Looking at this decade, the Giants and Eagles except for few years for each were consitently at the top, relatively equal. Eagle won more, but of course there was 2007 so Id say its a wash.

As much as I hate to admit it, there was an extremely brief part, 2 seasons, that you could say the Cowboys were the best team.

The Skins haven’t been there and more than likely with Daniel Snyder as their owner they never will, but there’s always a chance and they could surprise even this season.

I just don’t think that given how strong each team really is every season, there almost never will be a dominant team in the Beast again.

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 4, 2009 1:05 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

never be a dominant team in the "Beast" again?

There is such a thing in the NFL as change…in fact it happens pretty often. In 2004 when the Eagles went 13-3, including 6-0 in their division, did anyone honestly think, with all of the injuries and off-the-field issues included, that they would go 0-6 in the division the very next year? Now this statement kind of agrees with your point, but your comment that there will never again be a dominant team in the NFC East is premature, to say the least.

It’s true that now that the NFL is so much bigger, the level of talent is spread out over 32 teams, so it’s much harder to build a long-standing winner with a lot of success. But look at teams like the Patriots, Steelers, and Colts. Each team comes from a division where more than one team can be expected to challenge for the playoffs each year. Yet these teams continue to be considered the dominant teams of their divisions, and the AFC. The NFC, for whatever reason, has not really had that many teams be considered in the same realm, except for arguably one: the Eagles. The Eagles, although they have not won a Super Bowl, HAVE dominated their competition for the most part since 2000. We have seen them do very well against division opponents, and they have an outstanding record against the NFC. This can be backed up by Andy Reid’s career winning percentage of .608. How many coaches in the history of the NFL can boast such success?

True, teams are much more up and down than years past, but we have seen a dominant team from the NFC East. This Eagles squad threatens to continue that trend for at least several more years, given the immense amount of young talent that currently fills up the starting roster spots

by Eagles09 on Jul 5, 2009 11:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well how could the Eagles continue that trend

when they were 9-6-1 and squeaked into the playoffs. The eagles are NOT a dominant team in the Beast. Not by any means.

The Eagles and the Gints have been back and forth, regardless of who wins the division. One doesn’t dominate teh other, not even close

The only year that either wasn’t clearly the best team in the division was 2007, when the Cowgirls won the division at 15-1, but of course didn’t do squat after that.

THat’s why I say there will be no dominant team. Cuz the Giants and Eagles have no signs of aging or falling off any time soon. The only time each may fall is because of a big injury.\

From year to year, there might be a dominant team. But as we’ve seen with the Cowgirls and as much as I hate to say it, the Giants last year, it really doesn’t mean much.

The

by FreeBradshaw on Jul 7, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

This will definitely work as a thing to break the boring offseason-out-of-practice lull

by Sparki on Jul 5, 2009 3:41 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

it comes down to...

Kolb, how we draft & how good our current young guys develop

by sports00fan00 on Jul 7, 2009 3:07 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

eagles develop defenders good, they have never been able to develop a reciever, brown, pinkston, mitchell, greg lewis, the list goes on and on. Despite Djack who was coached by his father his whole life on how to be a reciever they have never drafted and developed a good reciever. i hope maclin listens to Jackson cause the coaches aint gonna help.

by EagleClaw on Jul 15, 2009 3:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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