Top 5 Not-So-Good (But Lovable) Eagle Players of Recent
The Philadelphia Eagles have treated their fans very well this decade. They've been competitive in nearly each of every season, made five appearances in the NFC Championship Game, and even made a trip to the Superbowl. And although we haven't yet hoisted the Lombardi Trophy, or attended the victory parade on Broad Street, the Philadelphia Eagles have given us every reason to be optimistic about our football each and every autumn.
The birds have fielded some fantastic teams, with unbelievable talent. Throughout the decade, some of our starters, like Donovan McNabb, Brian Westbrook, , Brian Dawkins, and the entire offensive line, may have been the best in the league at some point.
But for every all-star a team possesses, lurks a dud somewhere on the roster. Such as on a high school football team, for every All-State talent on the squad, lurks a nerdy, pimply-faced band geek who made a bad decision. And although these "failures" attract finger-pointing and laughter, and sometimes want to make us eat ourselves because of their low level of athletic ability and unexcused mental mistakes, you have to admit, they do provide excellent entertainment. You just have to laugh out hysterically when you see a superior linebacker clothesline a weaker running back, or an athletic quarterback stiff arm, to the ground, a 300 lbs. couch-potato of a defensive lineman. In this game, it happens. And when it does, it's amusing.
In the NFL, the talent gap is more narrow than the gap in high school. However, on every team, you can find two players of different abilities. Take our Eagles for example. We had an amazing talent in Jeremiah Trotter, but low and behold, Matt McCoy and his pile jumping ability was also present.
But we shall not neglect the lesser talented who are "playing" for our favorite team. Let us rejoice and praise them!
They're not-so-good, but cheer-able!
They won't set the field on fire, but they're entertaining!
They're never in the news, but lovable!
With that said, I present to you...
The Top 5 Not-So-Good (But Lovable) Eagle Players of Recent.
It is time we honor them.
5. Koy Detmer
No, that's not a nickname. That is his real name. Koy. It means "man who is short, and no better than a backup" in some ancient Native American language. Koy Detmer is not a franchise quarterback in the least, and during some moments, he didn't even look to be a quality back up. But nevertheless, Koy had good character, heart, and a will to win.
Why We Love 'Em: Besides having a mustache worthy of daily worshiping, Detmer proved to be a quality kick holder. If there was a Hall of Fame spot for holders, Detmer would be inducted on the first ballot. David Akers didn't do too well without Koy holding, and the Eagles signed him for that position only during the post season of 2007. He had heart, a "never give up" attitude, and a face that screamed truck driver. Next time you open up a cold one, raise a toast for good ole Koy.
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4. Freddie Mitchell
Freddie Mitchell is as close to a "bust" as you're ever going to get. Drafted in the 1st Round of the 2001 NFL Draft, he was supposed to be a weapon for the up-and-coming NFL star, Donovan McNabb. Didn't quite work out as planned. Freddie isn't a lovable guy around the league. In fact, he is very much so loathed.
Bill Belichick on Freddie Mitchell:
"All he does is talk. He's terrible, and you can print that. I was happy when he was in the game [SB 39]."
Mitchell never caught more than 35 passes a season, or caught more than two touchdown receptions. If he spent more time focusing on his football, instead of blaming his own teammates and focusing on other players, he could have been a nice supplement.
Why We Love 'Em: A lot of Eagle fans are going to disagree with putting Freddie Mitchell in this list. However, Freddie Mitchell has been a part of some of the most amazing Eagle offensive plays of this decade. How can you forget 4th and 26? That play is up there with the best in Eagles history. And I know everyone jumped out of their seats when Freddie hauled in the 60-yard bomb from McNabb that took 14.1 seconds on Monday Night Football against the 'boys. Look at the bright side...at least I didn't place Sean Considine here.
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3. Hollis Thomas
Hollis Thomas was signed as an undrafted free agent rookie in 1996, but despite his lowered expectations, he made the All-Rookie Team. Thomas never achieved any other status above mediocre during his term with the Eagles. He was buried in the depth chart for most of the 21st century in midnight green, and was acquired by the New Orleans Saints after the 2005 NFL season. He would eventually be suspended for using performance enhancing drugs.
Why We Love 'Em: Even though Thomas wasn't the greatest of defensive tackles, this man was the "Dane Cook" of football. When the camera was on Hollis, one could not help but laugh. He always cheered his teammates up, even during rough times. One of his favorite shows happen to be Spongebob Squarepants. Even though this "human Patrick Star" didn't clog up the highlight reel for us, everyone has to remember the devastating hit he put on Michael Vick during the 2005 NFC Championship Game.
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2. Reno Mahe
What is the exact opposite of a talent like Brian Westbrook? A talent like Reno Mahe. What was so frustrating about Reno Mahe? How about his 0 career touchdowns. Yes, I know he only started one game in his whole five year NFL career, but let's look at some players from the Eagles and around the league who scored more touchdowns than Reno Mahe.
Players who scored more touchdowns than Reno Mahe
- G - Todd Herremans
- DT - Haloti Ngata
- DT - Mike Patterson
People who have the same amount of touchdowns Reno Mahe has
- You
- Me
Why We Love 'Em: It is hard to not like the man known as Mr. Mahe. Whether it is his "always happy" personality, or the fact that he once took a part time job at Chickie and Pete's in the off season, you've got to respect the guy. Mahe was an underrated punt returner, as well as a team player. There were conspiracy theories that Andy Reid kept him on the team for so long because they shared the Mormon faith. Personally, I think Andy just loved his cool, unusual name.
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1. Mike Bartrum
Mike Bartrum wasn't the most athletic, or dynamic of tight ends. In fact, in his first three seasons in the NFL, he made appearances in only seven games with no receptions. He was listed as a tight end, but wasn't the tight end most teams needed or valued.
Why We Love 'Em: Mike Bartrum is the definition of a "football player". He would do anything Coach Reid or the team asked him to do. For example, in 2005 when Akers was forced to miss two games due to injury, Mike Bartrum stepped in as the kick-off specialist. Need more? How about the time in 2006 when he was the emergency quarterback after the devastating injury to McNabb? Bartrum also happened to be the team's long snapper. He was well-known as one of the league's top long snappers. He was a family man, who loved football. Bartrum had no "moments of frustration" with me, and will be one of the few non-eagle "starters" who will be remembered for a long time.
Appreciative Quotes:
"The Eagles were great to me. It is a great place to work. The fans are awesome because they care so much about the team. Players appreciate that. They recognize what the fans are all about." - Bartrum
"I want the Eagles to win every, single game. I'm not playing, but I will always be with them in my heart." -Bartrum
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This list may be controversial, but it works. That's the good part of the whole thing. You can argue with your buddies over the best Philadelphia Eagle to strap on a helmet this decade, and when that's over, you can argue on who the "not-so-best" Philadelphia Eagle was, as well.
Now, are these the worst players to play the game? Absolutely not.
Would some of them have been starters on some other teams? Most likely.
Do all of these players have more athletic ability in them than anyone who reads this sentence? Probably.
But in this "dry" part of the off season, we have to think of everyone.
Sorry Mike, Freddie, Hollis, Ty, and Mr. Mahe. I didn't mean to put you guys on the spot like that. To be honest, maybe you weren't the most talented Eagles to grace the field. But all of you were a part of some of the best Philadelphia Eagle teams in history. And for that, we appreciate you.
And just for kicks:
Guys who were not-so-good, who didn't make the "lovable" list:
Matt McCoy
Jerome McDougle
Todd Pinkston
Billy McMullen
Quintin Caver
Dhani Jones
Nate Wayne
Sean Considine
Greg Lewis
Rod "He Hate Me" Smart
Keith Adams
Paul Grasmanis
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Comments
i loved koy...
he had a bad teeth, neck beard, total hick swagger about him that a lot of people liked. also, i can’t think of anyone who liked reno. he did have great punt return numbers in 2005, but other than that, i think he frustrated a lot of fans.
by awd777 on Jul 15, 2009 9:34 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I could not stand Mahe. Not personally, but as a football player. He had no business being on an NFL roster. I do think that there is a hint of truth to Reid being a bit nepotistic when it comes to players who happen to be Mormon.
by captain nodar on Jul 15, 2009 10:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
koy
what could be better then that TD celebration….doin the bull dance, feelin the flow.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jul 16, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Crackin’ the whip!
"I landed on my shoulder and neck and blacked out for a little while, but I'm fine now." -DeSean Jackson
by Bob_Q on Jul 16, 2009 10:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
td dance
seein him come in durin garbage time, or unfortunately when the starter went down, i couldn’t wait for him to throw a td and do it. I used to get non-eagles fans excited for it.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jul 16, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ike reese?
i voted other because ike reese was a beast on special teams… made the pro bowl for special teams in 2004
by RIP26_litodoin'work on Jul 15, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The poll was for...
not so good Eagles. Ike Reese was good that’s why he is not on the list.
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Jul 15, 2009 1:40 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
true but im sure he wasnt drafted
with the idea in mined that he would become a brilliant special teams player.. plus, if you rated him on his linebacking abilities, would you not call him a “not-so-good” linebacker?
honestly, i think this is the perfect stage to celebrate and honor a player like ike reese… so long as you keep him out of the company of the todd pinkstons, jerome mcdougles, etc…. on a serious note, id actually like to know who has “love” for these two
by RIP26_litodoin'work on Jul 15, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
misread the "lovable" part
jerome mcdougle and todd pinkston are classified as “not-so-good” and not “loved”
by RIP26_litodoin'work on Jul 15, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
how could anyone “love” todd pinkston? he was a pussy that shied away from balls thrown across the middle.. i remember watching a specific skins-birds game i think in ’03? the year sean taylor was a rookie? he ran a deep post route, mcnabb aired it out, he had his man beat, but taylor was lurking so he backed off and then everyone booed pinky
i could never have love for this man.. replace him with reese and this post is golden
by RIP26_litodoin'work on Jul 15, 2009 9:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I remember that play. I just forgot how absolutely bad it really was.
by captain nodar on Jul 15, 2009 10:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
i was tryin to look for it but my computer at work is like a prison.. im glad i can make it on here… ill check that out when i get home
by RIP26_litodoin'work on Jul 15, 2009 12:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I loved Todd Pinkston
This play was almost as good as the Mike Jenkins’ two-hand touch tackle on DWard.
Homer: Aw, twenty dollars! I wanted a peanut!
Homer's Brain: Twenty dollars can buy many peanuts!
Homer: Explain how!
Homer's Brain: Money can be exchanged for goods and services!
Homer: Woo-hoo!
by bigbluethruandthru on Jul 16, 2009 4:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Come on
if you weighed 164 pounds but played in the NFL, you’d alligator arm a few too.
Pinkston literally did not have calf muscles. His leg didn’t curve at all from the back of the knee to his ankle :D
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Jul 17, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Great post. You gotta love Detmer. Any man who can make a postseason roster for his kick holding ability alone is a beast in my book.
"I landed on my shoulder and neck and blacked out for a little while, but I'm fine now." -DeSean Jackson
by Bob_Q on Jul 15, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Neck Beard!!!
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jul 15, 2009 10:41 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Missed a few big ones
Ike Reese, Mark Simoneau, Jason Short, Keith (The Bullet) Adams, Dan Klecko, Paul Grasmanis, and you cant forget Rod (He Hate Me) Smart!
In the words of Jimmy Rollins, “Comeoooooooon”
Seventy-one percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Brian Dawkins
by MeanGreen5 on Jul 15, 2009 12:04 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Again...
The post was for not so good eagles. Ike Reese and Mark Simoneau were pretty good. Dan Klecko was doing good as DT as well. Hence, why they are not on the list.
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Jul 15, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fair enough but
give me credit on the rest- Jason Short, Keith Adams and Rod Smart
Seventy-one percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Brian Dawkins
by MeanGreen5 on Jul 16, 2009 1:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahah
klecko is not good!
by jack is better than asante on Jul 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thast right ! i voted for mcmullen !
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 15, 2009 2:24 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Am I the only Eagles fan on earth who DID like Greg Lewis?
Honestly, I always thought he was a nice, cheap-to-sign player. Never understood why everybody hated him so much. (Except for that fucked Green Bay punt return in the ’07 season opener)
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Jul 15, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
the man walks like a duck
by RIP26_litodoin'work on Jul 15, 2009 3:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but runs like a gazelle
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Jul 15, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
g lewis was my fav player for awhile
by jack is better than asante on Jul 15, 2009 6:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My vote goes to FredEx…the man is money and the Peoples Champ ( atleast in his mind he is)…and the frohawk? Thats classic…and we cant forget about 4th and 26…only good play in his career
by Maclin7 on Jul 15, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
After
Reading come comments, I added some names to the “not so good” and “not so lovable” list.
And really guys? Koy Detmer is the one who is leading the poll?
by AlecTheMan on Jul 15, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Via Sikahema
Never started, only played 2 years in Philly but will knock out anybody on the field with a left hook.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jul 15, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
nate wayne
hahah thats a name i havent heard in a minute .. how about na brown lol that was an interesting name ppl will remember .. or my personal favorite… jr reed .. love the dreds lol
by jack is better than asante on Jul 15, 2009 6:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i'm really shocked that
seven people voted in sean considine. i can’t think of anyone who made me want to kick in my t.v. more than sean fucking considine. are you a QB that needs a play of 20 yards or longer to stay on the field? just throw it his way.
by snowhill82 on Jul 15, 2009 6:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
which brings me to another point.....
anyone ever notice all white safeties look the same? sean considine, adam archuleta, john lynch, pat tillman, the list goes on……they all tend to look like they should be on the highway patrol.
by snowhill82 on Jul 15, 2009 6:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Highway patrol makes me think of -

by captain nodar on Jul 15, 2009 7:15 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Koy Detmer was so legit. Neckbeard, 52 percent career passer, the strange awesome celebratory dance he once did, only wearing one outfit to camp. Great man.
by FredEx on Jul 15, 2009 9:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My fav was Charles Johnson. Granted, he and Torrance Small were about the slowest duo of WRs I’ve ever seen at the pro level, but CJ was classic and gritty. He was one of those guys I loved to see succeed knowing he wasn’t that great. On a high note, he did catch the winning TD in the Eagles/Cowboys game that ended Michael Irvin’s career.
by captainmike011 on Jul 15, 2009 10:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Great post, Alec!
And damn Captainmike- the mention of Charles Johnson and Torrance Small just sent chills down my spine. I forgot about those 2 chuckleheads.
You know they were terrible when at one point Todd Pinkston was considered the answer.
Looking Mean in Kelly Green
by goodfella46er on Jul 16, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Short
Hit so hard on special teams he knocked himself out, broke his nose, and leg. When he woke up he cursed out and threatend the Redskins return team while on the injury cart- BAD ASS
Seventy-one percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Brian Dawkins
by MeanGreen5 on Jul 16, 2009 1:32 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
My vote goes to Grasmanis!
The year was 2005, somewhere in the offseason. The place was Paul Roos Gymnasium, my high school over here in South Africa; I was 17 years old. During the monday morning meeting in the school hall (we were about 1200 students) it was announced that ‘some American sportsmen were going to talk in the hall during recess.’ I didn’t have a clue who these ‘sportsmen’ were, but I prayed all the while that it would be NFL players! So at recess I rushed in and sat in the front row. And Paul Grasminis showed up on stage (along with an ex-Cowboy center, can’t remember his name, I think he retired in like ‘02)! This was a few months after the Superbowl and I couldn’t believe that a member of the Birds was standing here, I was so excited! Eventhough they were there to talk to us about Christianity in Sports, I immediatly turned the conversation to the NFL. He told me what it was like to protect McNabb and play with guys like Bdawk and Bwest, it was amazing!!! I was stunned that I was able to meet an Eagle, and it all happened so quickly! He was an amazingly cool guy and very down to earth. That afternoon I immediatly resigned Grasminis on Madden ’05!
I'm not ready to move on from #20.
by LeonSA on Jul 16, 2009 10:22 AM EDT reply actions 2 recs

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