Derrick Mason Retires... Would you trade Reggie Brown for a 3?
by JimmyK on Jul 13, 2009 9:39 PM EDT
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After 12 years in the NFL, Derrick Mason has called it a career. This leaves a HUGE hole in the Ravens starting lineup, and I gotta wonder... Harbaugh... Reid... Reggie Brown?
Let's first look at how big a loss this is to the Ravens.
Last year, Mason had 80 catches for 1,037 and 5 TD's. Amazing numbers for a 34-year-old, but not overly spectacular otherwise. But what about the other options in their offense?
Mark Clayton - 41 catches, 695 yards, 3 TD
Todd Heap - 35 catches, 403 yards, 3 TD
Demetrius Williams - 13 catches, 180 yards, 1 TD
Yamon Figurs - 1 catch, 43 yards, 1 TD
Daniel Wilcox - 5 catches, 19 yards, 2 TD
And of course... coming over from Philly...
LJ "Questionable" Smith - 37 catches, 298 yards, 3 TD
With the signing of LJ Smith, Ravens coach (and former Eagles' assistant) John Harbaugh has already shown that he will bring in players with whom he's familiar. So what about an Eagles WR?
This has been posted here several times, but the Eagles have a major log-jam at WR. Here's what we've pretty much agreed on...
- DeSean Jackson, Kevin Curtis, Jason Avant, and Jeremy Maclin are absolute locks to make the team.
- Because of the extreme depth at the position, the Eagles are likely to keep 6 wide receivers.
- Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett will be battling for the 5th WR spot. Brown is probably the better receiver, but Baskett gives you more on special teams.
- 6th round pick Brandon Gibson will likely be "redshirted."
So why not get something in return for one of our WR's at the back of the depth chart that could serve as another team's #3, or in this case, the Ravens' #2? It would enable the Eagles to only keep 5 receivers, and the extra roster spot could be used on other equally deep areas of our team, such as in the secondary, defense line, etc.
First of all, let's look which player might generate more interest...
Of Reggie Brown and Hank Baskett, I'd have to think teams would be more interested in Reggie Brown. Clearly, he was awful last year, as he had his worst season in the NFL with 18 catches for 252 yards and 1 TD. However, Harbaugh didn't witness Brown's 2008 in person. But in his first 3 years in the NFL (with Harbaugh watching), Brown was very much on his way toward being a solid #2 in the NFL...
2005 (rookie year) - 43 catches, 571 yards, 4 TD
2006 - 46 catches, 816 yards, 8 TD
2007 - 61 catches, 780 yards, 4 TD
Are there better options out there?
Well, let's look at the WR's that we've beaten to death over the past 5 months... Brandon Marshall wants out of Denver, but Denver has no incentive to deal him (unless they received an OVERWHELMING offer), Braylon Edwards plays in the same division as the Ravens, so don't expect the Browns to deal him to a divison rival. And I think we all know Anquan Boldin isn't going anywhere by now. Other than that, Marvin Harrison could serve as a one-year band aid, but little more.
What could we reasonably get for Reggie Brown?
2nd round picks are like gold in the NFL - That's not happening. But a 3rd round pick? For a still somewhat young WR (28 years old, only 4 full NFL seasons), that would immediately step in as the starter opposite Mark Clayton, and could possibly use a change of scenery to rejuvinate his career? I don't think a 3 would be out of the question.
So you're the GM... Make the call...
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Is this a serious question?
A lot of people turned on Reggie and want him to be cut (which I disagree with).
A 3rd round pick is basically the best case scenario.
I thought the Reggie being cut talk was ridiculous and I think he can be a fairly large contributor on this team. That being said, Jackson and Curtis are better options as it pertains to his season. Avant is a better option on 3rd downs if not in general. Long term we have Jackson and Maclin (who could potentially be higher than Brown on the depth chart as soon as this season)
I expect very few Eagle’s fan to favor Reggie over a 3rd round selection.
I do think this move makes sense for the Ravens (at a cheaper price tag).
Haha, agreed...
Not sure who would vote “no.” But a 3 isn’t out of the question, especially considering it’ll likely be a late 3. Would you do a 4?
3, but not 4
I think the 3 is obvious but im not sure about the four, which again, will most likely be late rounds.
Although i’ve been a big supporter of Reggie Brown, depending how he looks in camp. After the pads get on and he still doesn’t look like hes progressed from last season, i would probably trade him for the fourth because you can do magic with an abundance of picks.
I voted no.
Reggie is still a young WR who has had some unfortunate injuries. He is a very talented and dedicated young man and has the potential to be a very good #2 receiver. I feel like he is worth more than a late 3rd rounder. If he develops this year and becomes the receiver we all were hoping for, we would have a ridiculous WR corps that would help the transition from McNabb to Kolb roll rather smoothly. I don’t want to count him out just yet.
That being said, if the same question arose regarding a much less talented team than I would say yes. The difference between an early 3rd (Frank Gore) and a late 3rd (Maurice Clarrett) could be immense.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jul 13, 2009 10:28 PM EDT reply actions
At 28, he really isn’t a young WR (especially if you consider Jackson and Maclin at 22 and 21 respectively). However, he doesn’t have a lot of wear and tear, and did have some unfortunate injuries holding him back.
He does the upside of a solid 2nd WR, and doesn’t need to be dumped. A think a 3rd round is enough for me personally to be satisfied though.
(And not that you’d bank on this kind of thing, but the Ravens might be worse this year. Ray Lewis is slowly losing it, they lost a valuable player in Bart Scott, and adding Brown would still give them mediocre offensive weapons.)
I can't agree with you on this one.
And not that you’d bank on this kind of thing, but the Ravens might be worse this year
Its hard for me to believe that a team that went to the AFCCG last year, had a top 5 defense and plenty of youth on D is going to decline enough to give us a high 3rd rounder.
At 28, he really isn’t a young WR (especially if you consider Jackson and Maclin at 22 and 21 respectively)
Considering Curtis is in the same position this year that Reggie would be in 2012 (the year McNabb’s contract expires), I think we would be much better off with Reggie. Curtis would be entering his 10th season (and will be 34 yo), Maclin and Jackson would be well adjusted to the system and Brown would still only be in his 7th season. This is a much better scenario for a new QB getting a start.
doesn’t need to be dumped
No way this happens.
by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jul 14, 2009 2:09 PM EDT up reply actions
I don’t expect the Ravens to be bad, just a little worse. I never (meant to) intended it would be a yield a high 3rd (or a higher enough one to make more people agree). I don’t think a mid 3rd is out of the question though. That was a just a random aside, and wasn’t meant to impact the discussion at all.
Curtis is old as well. That doesn’t make Reggie young or change my opinion (not that I expect to change yours, just simply supporting mine(especially the 1st and 3rd thing)). The fact remains at 28, Brown’s time is starting to run out. Brown also injury concerns (more so than Curtis in my opinion) and has a career high of only 816 yards (less than Curtis’ or Jackson’s high in Philly).
For this season, In my opinion Jackson and Curtis are better options. Avant is a better option on 3rd downs. Even if he was to rotate in and eventually be the older Curtis’ replacement (in 2 years probably), we have Maclin for that. I think a 3rd is enough value to move him.
I also don’t think he gets dumped. When talking about Brown I usually randomly mention that, since a large enough portion of the fan base thinks he should be cut.
nah
ill just take ray lewis instead …
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 13, 2009 11:06 PM EDT reply actions
but really ?
yes … in a heartbeat
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 13, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
it will also let us see if reggie really is what he should be
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 13, 2009 11:07 PM EDT up reply actions
Great Idea people! Everyone one knows that Ray Lewis is worth as much as Reggie Brown. Lets trade them for each other, he can be our starter for a while and who cares about the devolopment of our younger players with great potiential. lets do it Andy. NNNNNOOOOOOWWWW!!!!
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i detect your sarcasim im afraid you didnt catch mine
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by NorthPhillyKid on Jul 15, 2009 2:16 PM EDT up reply actions
it could be sarcasm on top of sarcasm on top of sarcasm
or sarcasm cubed, now maybe even to the 4th power
ok eff it, my head hurts now
btw, *sarcasm
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bs
reggie is our starting wr .. i see a lot of 3 wr sets .. with curtis in the slot .. stop trying to trade him .. he was hurt last year .. his per game stats are better than curtis and jackson .. he would be the ravens number 1 .. dont say 3rd .. thats a ajoke .. hes still young and signed .. and hes higher on the depth chart than both avant and maclin ..
by jack is better than asante on Jul 14, 2009 12:11 AM EDT reply actions
Oh shit. He lives.
Reggie is a 28 year old mediocre WR with injury concerns. He’s never put up better than 816 yards in a season. Jackson and Curtis both have produced better numbers than that. I don’t think he’s garbage or should be cut, but for a guy who’s potential our 5th option (I know, he’s potential the top option as well) pending Maclin’s progress, a 3rd rounder can be a good idea.
bs that bs
He is not or number is not our startin receiver Jackson and Curtis are. Curtis is not in the slot he’s outside. Brown has a lot 2 prove bc that he was hurt bs can’t be used bc Curtis was hurt 2 and came back into the starting lineup. And that depth chart is unofficial for a reason bro. He’s not a number 1 on the ravens bc his and mason stats are pretty much the same. The only reason his per game stats are better is bc he’s been here the longest. Jackson and Curtis are the starters with Avant in the slot. Hard to be a starter when you’re benched for the most important game of the season. I’m not saying he gone but does have a lot to prove to show last year was a mistake. Besides he’s already not the happiest with the eagles. He’s a starter with starter money on the ravens so why not?
by macjack09 on Jul 14, 2009 1:53 AM EDT via mobile up reply actions
hey, jack...
you need to sign up for BGNFL if you haven’t already. just sayin……who here thinks jack takes brandon jacobs in the first?
invite
send me an invite .. stk37336@go.stockton.edu
by jack is better than asante on Jul 14, 2009 4:18 PM EDT up reply actions
Special teams play is a huge factor in making the team as a 4-6th WR. Brown is not likely to beat out Jackson, Maclin, or Curtis and has minimal special teams experience, especially when compared to someone like Baskett, who is great on special teams and can be a situational receiver with his height.
If the Eagles have the opportunity to get a 3rd or 4th round pick for Brown and clear up the WR position, I say go for it. It would also have the added bonus of giving younger players like Brandon Gibson a chance to gain some on-the-field experience.
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deal him..
at this point in his career, reggie brown has proven, time and again, that he’s a consistent wr in the league, and when i say consistent i mean he’s consistent when it comes to dropping passes….. every game ive ever seen reggie play in he’s dropped a ball (this could be because i’ve been away at college for a few years and havent seen him as much recently, but still, he’s not a good wr).. we shoulda been grooming him to replace dawkins all along or at least contribute in the secondary because he’s at least tall, agile, can jump, and can bat balls down (his best attribute)
if we could get a late third to something in the late 4th-early 5th I would take it in a flash.. reid makes good draft day decisions, plus, youth is always welcomed onto this squad
by RIP26_litodoin'work on Jul 14, 2009 9:45 AM EDT reply actions
I would rather deal Baskett, but I also dont know much about his special teams play, I never really noticed that kind of stuff. It probably would be best for the Eagles to trade one of their recievers though as I dont think they really need 6 on the team. Brown is a decent reciever and he just got injured. Problem is this could work both ways, he could be close to the top of his potential when he comes back or he could be done.
I would try and get more than a third (like a third and a 7th or something, though that is probably worthless anyway) and I would probably try and see if there was any interest for Baskett as well. In the end though, I would want to trade one of them.
One other thing to keep in mind though, is that Curtis might have some injury trouble.
The other thing to consider (which I didn’t write up) is that Curtis’ time here might also be short… He’s turning 31 on Friday, and he’s set to make $4.8 mil next year when he’s 32 (which he should be fine). But in 2011 (when he’ll be 33), he’s set to make $5.7 mil, and when he’s 34 in 2012 he’s set to make $7.3 mil.
I speculate that he’s a goner after 2010.
I would take a forth maybe even a fith rounder if needed. Unlikely we get a third.
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i would
go for a third or fourth
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by xADx GoGreen4Ever on Jul 14, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions
no way
i still think brown starts .. i think curtis plays the slot .. or maybe he even starts over jackson .. he is a good nfl wr .. got hurt one year .. big deal .. hes still productive starter .. and his per game stats are higher than curtis and jackson .. maclin wont play this year .. and avant is not good .. you talk about brown soo much .. brown is 3 times more talented than avant .. avant is a 4 or 5 wr at best
by jack is better than asante on Jul 14, 2009 4:21 PM EDT reply actions
Also, you keep saying this...
and his per game stats are higher than curtis and jackson
…and I don’t know what that means. What stats are you talking about?
On a side note...
I’m gonna miss the hell out of Derrick Mason. In my PPR league, every single year, I’d draft him somewhere after the 10th round, he would serve as my 4th WR, and I knew EXACTLY what I was getting… 7-8 catches, 60-90 yards, and an occasional TD in a backup role. And every single year, my friends would laugh at me. His catches per season…
2008 – 80
2007 – 103
2006 – 68
2005 – 86
2004 – 94
2003 – 95
My team won’t be the same without you, buddy.
3rd is likely.....
but we’d probably have to give them a 6th or 7th rd pick. If they offer brown for a 3rd, i say pull the trigger. I can see DJAX turning into a steve smith type WR and Maclin into a faster version of Reggie Wayne, what Brown was supposed to be.
If the Eagles would attempt this trade (and succeed), expect this pick to be a mid 3rd round pick due to Baltimore’s projected mediocrity, and you can still get some good players there nowadays with teams taking more “favorites” exemplified by the Eagles taking Kolb and the Raiders taking that fast projected undrafted free safety in the 2nd round this year.
first rounder for brown or no dice !
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jul 16, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions
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