Part 3... Strengths and Weaknesses... The Washington Redskins
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 9:02 PM EDT
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In Parts 1 and 2, we looked at the Cowboys, and then the Giants. Now we move along to the NFC East's "other team," the Washington Redskins...
The Strengths first...
Strengths...
The 2006 season aside (when he only played 8 games), here are Portis' rushing yardage totals... 1487, 1262, 1516, 1351, 1591, 1508. This just in... He's good. However, although he's still relatively young (27... he'll be 28 in September), he's had 2,053 career carries, which is 29th all time. Think about that - He's only 27 years old and there are only 28 players in the history of the NFL that have had more career carries than Clinton Portis. That's nuts - He's 27 going on 33. He has carried the Redskins offense for the past 5 years, and guess what... If they want to have any success at all this year on offense, he's going to have to carry the ball 300 times again this season. If he begins to slow down, they're in big trouble.
2) "Up the Middle" on defense - (the DT's, MLB, and the safeties)
Let's just get Haynesworth out of the way first... He's a game changing DT. He occupies extra blockers and frees up his teammates, he rushes the passer, he stops the run, he does anything and everything you want from a DT. But is he worth $100 million? Hell no. Still, he and another overpaid but talented DT, Cornelius Griffin, give the Redskins a dominant force inside.
On to London Fletcher... It pains me to call any non-Eagle underrated, but he certainly is. He's been in the league since 1998, is 34 years old, but to be quite honest, I don't see any signs of slowing... yet. Here are his eye-popping season tackle totals (starting with his rookie year... 14, 90, 132, 116, 147, 133, 142, 157, 146, 128, 133. Number of Pro Bowls: 0. That's just unfair. Side note - I also need to mention Rocky McIntosh here (he's not an "up the middle" guy), but he's a nice OLB, and I just don't have a spot for him anywhere else, but he deserves a mention.
And now the safeties... Initially, the fact that Laron Landry only had 65 tackles last year was a bit of a red flag to me, but with London Fletcher tackling everything that moves I can understand why. That said, as a rookie, he did have 95 tackles when he played a good portion of the year at SS before Sean Taylor's death. Make no mistake, don't let the 2 career interceptions and 2 career forced fumbles fool you - Landry can play. He has speed, he has size, he can hit, he can cover, and he's going to be around for long time. The other safety, 7th round draft pick Chris Horton was a really nice surprise for the Redskins last year, and he'll only get better.
3) Cooley
Personally, I'll take Hank Baskett's wife over Chris Cooley's, but I'd strongly consider sticking my hand in a blender for either of them. As for Cooley, he's good, and he has a hot wife. He doesn't need any more accolades. Let's just move on...
Weaknesses...
1) The O Line
The oldest Offensive Line in the NFL? The Dallas Cowboys.
The 2nd oldest Offensive Line in the NFL? That's right... The Washington Redskins. Actually, the Redskins were the oldest O Line in the NFL until they released Jon Jansen, but I digress.
Question - What happens when you only draft 2 offensive linemen (Guard Chad Rinehart and Guard Kili Lefotu) in 5 years (since 2005)?
Answer - This... Here are the projected starters, and how old they'll be by October...
LT - Chris Samuels - 32 years old
LG - Derrick Dockery - 29 years old
C - Casey Raback - 32 years old
RG - Randy Thomas - 33 years old
RT - Stephon Heyer (apparently, his job to lose) - 25 years old. In a subplot, former first-round bust and 400+ lb. (listed at 370, but not fooling anyone) offensive tackle Mike Williams is also competing for the starting right tackle job. Hang on, let me say a prayer... Dear God, please... please please please please please let Mike Williams start at right tackle for the Redskins this year. The thought of this tub of flab with cinderblock feet (see pick below) just brings a smile to my face.
As for the rest of this group, I'll say the same thing I said about the Cowboys' O Line... With teams like the Eagles and Giants that each rotate 9-10 players along the D Line all game, this old O Line is going to be dead by the 4th quarter. Jason Campbell, my brother... You're going to wish the Redskins traded for Jay Cutler.
2) WR
Yup, you'd be smiling too if you just signed a 7 year deal worth $31 million, even though you're really nothing more than a punt returner and an occasional trick play specialist. Not on the Redskins though... On the Redskins, Antwaan Randle El is the #2 receiver. In 2008, he started all 16 games and put up the following numbers...
53 catches, 593 yards, 4 TD. On a per game basis, that's 3.3 catches and 37 yards per game. That's just totally unacceptable.
Now, although Santana Moss is a really talented, legitimate starting NFL receiver, he's terribly erratic. He's had some really good seasons (79-1044-6 in 2008, 84-1483-9 in 2005, and 74-1105-10 in 2003) and some really average ones (61-808-3 in 2007, 55-790-5 in 2006, and 45-838-5 in 2004). He turned 30 in June... Let the decline begin.
The 3 and 4? Two 2nd year disappointments - Devin Thomas (15 catches, 120 yards, 0 TD) and Malcolm Kelly (3 catches, 18 yards, 0 TD). Ouch.
3) The Pass Rush
(No Picture - There are no known photos of the Redskins pass rush in 2008)
24 sacks last season. On an otherwise good defense, that's terrible. There were only 3 teams in the NFL that had fewer sacks... The Chiefs, Bengals, and Browns. In case you don't already know, that's NOT good company. Haynesworth will certainly help in that regard, but I want to see it first, and that brings me to another question... Are the Redskins seriously considering playing Brian Orakpo at LINEBACKER? Redskins fans... Seriously, I need the answer to that. If you go through a season with only 24 sacks, it's an absolute no-brainer to put Orakpo at DE. The other DE's are such non-factors, I'm not even going to bother mentioning them.
4) The Owner
Antwaan Randle El - 7 years, $31 million
DeAngelo Hall - 6 years, $55 million
Albert Haynesworth - 7 years, $100 million
Andre Carter - 7 years, $32 million
Todd Collins - 3 years, $9 million
Derrick Dockery - 5 years, $26.5 million
Cornelius Griffin - 6 years, $25 million
Fred Smoot - 5 years, $25 million
Randy Thomas - 6 years, $28 million
Brandon Lloyd - 6 years, $30 million
Jeremiah Trotter - 7 years, $36 million
Adam Archuleta - 6 years, $30 million
Awful.
Other concerns (Neither strengths nor weaknesses)...
1) The corners
Wait, aren't their corners DeAngelo Hall, Carlos Rodgers, and Fred Smoot? Aren't they good? Nope... Junk. Pure junk. (NOTE - I strongly considered putting this under "Weaknesses," because these guys do show flashes of talent, but simply aren't very good... However, if you take a look around the league, there are an overwhelming number of teams with bad corners, so D Hall and Co. survive the "weakness" tag.) Let's start with one of my most hated players in the NFL...
DeAngelo Hall - Junk. You know how old DeAngelo Hall is? 25. That's it - 25. So here's the question...
Question - Why would 2 teams that were definitely in rebuilding mode (the Falcons and Raiders) give up on a really young, seemingly really talented player in less than a full calendar year?
Answer - Because he's junk.
Question - Why would Dan Snider give him a 6 year contract for $55 million?
Answer - I don't know, but I LOVE having Dan Snider and Jerry Jones in my division.
Question - Is Eddie Royal the next Jerry Rice?
Answer - No, but the first time he ever stepped onto an NFL football field (Week 1 last year) he was matched up one-on-one vs Hall the entire game, and Hall sure made him look like the next Rice. The result - 9 catches, 146 yards, 1 TD. Embarrassing.
The other starter is Carlos Rodgers...
In 4 years with the Redskins, how many interceptions does Rodgers have? 6. Not good.
And finally, another guy that has a Hall of Fame mouth, but a game that doesn't match... The Freddie Mitchell of cornerbacks, Fred Smoot. I did a little research on Smoot, and I'll say this about him... He's very consistent. He has consistently made fewer and fewer plays throughout his entire career. His year-by year interceptions - It actually looks kind of funny...
2001 - 5
2002 - 4
2003 - 4
2004 - 3
2005 - 2
2006 - 1
2007 - 1
2008 - 1
2) Jason Campbell - The BIGGEST QUESTION MARK
I actually like Jason Campbell, and this will be the first year since he was 3 years old that he won't be learning a new offense. I'll keep it nice and simple with Campbell... With all the well publicized efforts of the Redskins trying to obtain Jay Cutler and Mark Sanchez, it's clear that the Redskins' FO isn't 100% behind their QB. The phrase "make or break year" sometimes gets thrown around a little too liberally for my taste, but this is a true make or break year for Campbell. How will he respond to the pressure?
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I was waiting for this
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by Eagles675 on Jun 16, 2009 9:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WRs have a bigger learning curve than most positions, and if those draft picks can figure it out, ‘Skins can be dangerous. That of course is a big if, and you’d expect more flashes of talent last season if they were to explode, but it’s possible.
I agree the corners have displayed enough talent to not be a weakness. When they’re on, they can be really good, but haven’t done it consistently enough to be a strength of theirs.
by FredEx on Jun 16, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tip of the Hat once again!
Some of the best analysis around cuz!
REC’d
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Jun 16, 2009 9:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Dan Snyder
also filed chapter 11 for Six Flags,
u should put that with the rest of the contracts
by sports00fan00 on Jun 16, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Wow...
That’s news to me – I had no idea he was the Chairman of Six Flags. I stopped using Gillette products because of its affiliation with the Pats, and now it might be time to go to Dorney Park instead of Great Adventure (Six Flags in NJ for those of you not in the area).
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
P.S.
It’s only the Six Flags here in Bowie, MD.
It used to be Adventur World.
It’s run like a daycare for kindergardeners.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 17, 2009 8:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
o bs
halls a good corner .. oakland is stupid .. and fletcher is a stud .. they have a better D than us .. but cambell holds them back
by jack is better than asante on Jun 17, 2009 1:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hall is a POS
how the hell did the Eagles go from having the best defense in the NFC last year to 3rd best in the NFC East? Jack, you’re an idiot
by NFCEagles on Jun 17, 2009 1:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you’re a Hall supporter, which JIBTA is, the corner position is solid. Then you add Haynesworth and Orakpo up front, and their defense has improved, in his opinion to have surpassed the Eagles.
The Giants add some DTs, a LB who can maybe actually cover people, and most importantly get a premier player in Osi back.
by FredEx on Jun 17, 2009 1:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thank u
fredex is the man .. he usually backs me up. . i respect him .. hes a smart guy he knows football .. and how do u call a good corner a POS .. you can say hes over rated .. which is fine and arguable .. but hes still a starting corner with pro bowl talent ..
by jack is better than asante on Jun 17, 2009 3:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm so glad
I don’t know you in person… it would take so much energy proving how wrong you are all the time.
Eagles.
by #1EaglesFan on Jun 17, 2009 4:40 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
hahaha agreed
JIBTA must also think Dawkins was still in his prime. when he was actually a step late to a lot of things last year
by sports00fan00 on Jun 17, 2009 8:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
noo
i said dawkins was getting old .. and everyone else was soo upset he left .. but sean jones is actually the same .. if not an upgrade .. dawk in his prime is stud .. dawk in a year .. not soo much
by jack is better than asante on Jun 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dawkins stats last year were right around his career averages this is what I don’t get. I don’t think Dawkins at his age was worth the money that Denver gave him. I also don’t really think he lost that much of a step it is more that JJ is amazing at scheming for his players strengths and covering their weaknesses.
2008
75 Tackles 6 PD 3 Sack 6 FF 1 INT
Career Avg
69 Tackles 11 PD 1.6 Sack 2.5 FF 2.6 INT
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 17, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles D
it will be lucky to be top 10 with out JJ .. skins will be top 5 and so will giants
by jack is better than asante on Jun 18, 2009 2:08 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
y should I even bother...
JJ tuned Spags & look what he brought to the Giants
you don’t thing that McDermott, in his 11th year with the Birds, with the system already intact won’t be able to do as well, & even though spags is leaving, which is a similar situation, but has not had time to tune a replacement into this system will be better, even though we were ranked higher than them last year?
ok.. just checking (<—- Sarcasm)
by sports00fan00 on Jun 18, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Meh
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 2:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
noo
look at bellichecks proteges .. just because he saw jim johnson do it doesnt mean he can .. jim johnson is a genius .. and he is not coming back .. so were not as good on D automatically .. and the skins and giants improved a lot .. look at jim sorge .. he should be a good qb since he was mannings back up for some long .. under your logic .. but it doesnt work like that
by jack is better than asante on Jun 19, 2009 2:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Difference between Jim Sorge being under Manning and Scott being under Jim Johnson is that Johnson taught two DC who took their defense to the Super Bowl (Ron Rivera with Bears ’06 and Spags with Gaints ’07). And Scott been with Jim Johnson longer than the other two so he should know the defense just as well.
Seriously, I doubt we’re automatically dropped out of top ten defense right away.
Moo.
by Imp on Jun 19, 2009 2:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
What a stupid comparison.
Manning and Sorge are players and physical talents are a large part of whether or not they are good players. Defensive coordinators aren’t limited by how far they can throw a ball or how accurately. It’s mental. You should have stuck with your Bellicheck comparison, it’s much more apt. Either way, dropping out of the Top Ten is unlikely. The system is the same, almost all of the players are the same, but with more experience. I have faith. We might slip a bit, yes, but to drop 9 or 10 spots is crazy talk.
by NOLACuse on Jun 19, 2009 11:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good Analysis
and this was hilarious
3) The Pass Rush
(No Picture – There are no known photos of the Redskins pass rush in 2008)
by aussie_cowboy on Jun 17, 2009 6:20 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
huh...
still cant use blockquote
by aussie_cowboy on Jun 17, 2009 6:20 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Reading this
makes losing to these guys twice last year (when they didn’t even have Haynesworth) even more galling than it already was. I’m still trying to figure out how that happened.
by MJW on Jun 17, 2009 6:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Orakbo
I keep asking myself that same question. Maybe they think Fat Albert will take care of everything on their D-Line, just like Jason Taylor was supposed to last year.
by DCAreaBirdsFan on Jun 17, 2009 6:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Jason Taylor
wasn’t expected to “take care of everything” on our D-line. It was a last minute knee-jerk reaction by Cerrato to losing Phillip Daniels at LDE.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 17, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that a lot of people hailed as significantly boosting your defense
u might not have thought so, but i have friends who at the beginning of the year were bragging about him
by sports00fan00 on Jun 17, 2009 8:59 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just because you had “friends” that thought it was a great addition doesn’t mean skins fans with some knowledge of football were all for it.
IMO i didn’t want him, wasn’t good for our system, and that was a mutual feeling for the majority of people i talked to about it
by travisjh86 on Jun 17, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i never said they were smart
i’m just saying the media played up all the reatrded people’s point of view that no one with knowledge of the game agrees with…how does it feel? it’s something Eagles fans have to deal with everyday
by sports00fan00 on Jun 17, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks for the Rodney Dangerfield treatment
When I get time later, I’m going to break down your analysis. Brief summary:
1) Unquestionably, our corners should be a STRENGTH. You’re still in denial on that one.
2) The pass rush should be an “Other concern”, not weakness. I’ll explain later.
3) Another concern (and possibly weakness due to inexperience) that you should have listed is Zorn. I really like what I’ve seen from him this off-season, but it might be a make-or-break season for him also with Cowher, Shanahan, and other “proven” HCs possibly on the market next year.
4) Mike Williams is down to roughly 380 lbs. (2 weeks ago) and his goal is to be at 365 lbs. by training camp. He started out in Jan. at 450+ lbs.! IF he makes the team, he will be a backup OT.
5) The plan for Orakpo (at this point in time) is to play him at OLB on 1st and 2nd. Then bring him up to the line and put his hand in the dirt for 3rd (or 4th). That may obviously change during or after training camp/pre-season. He runs a 4.6, but if he plays OLB, he will probably be the biggest 4-3 OLB in the league at 6’3", 260+lbs.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 17, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Haha...
I wouldn’t say it was Rodney Dangerfield (I did list more than half your D as a strength), but I’ll wait for your more detailed rebuttal.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Thanks Bro
I think London Fletcher was probably one of my favorite LBers. He is a gut busting LB who is always where the ball is. I think he is way underrated, I think that is because of his size though. He is a class act too. How many times do you hear his name? Never, because he does his job well and shuts the F up.
Portis has high miles and it started to show nearing the end of the season. His knees will soon match buckhalters. What no more Shaun Alexander?
I’d Take Cooley’s wife all day. I’m a brunette fan all day.
I live 25 min from Six Flags. I haven’t been there in years because it is ran so shitty. I love the rides but it’s employees/hospitality, regulations are cleanliness are messed up. I’d rather drive 2 hours to Busch Gardens just to get better service. Dan Snyder owns Six Flags and it has now gone Bankrupt. Shocker.
I voted NO to the poll. I have the Cowgirls in last place with the Redskins in a comfortable 3rd, still missing the playoffs.
Redskins fans have now nicknamed Orakpo “Osackpo” ….too funny..
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 17, 2009 8:48 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Osackpo
before he realizes he’s the next Vernon Gholston and become NOsackpo?
by FreeBradshaw on Jun 17, 2009 9:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right!
hahaha, not in the East at least.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 17, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Def agreed on Cooleys wife and also said NO.
Gotta love cooley, skin or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZ6Q6eWXHmw
“Mi casa su casa”…how the fuck am i supposed to know what that means…hahahaha
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 9:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I mean, C'mon, she's more fit and prolly doesn't laugh like a drunk Hyena.
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by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 17, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One thing you have to consider...
Do you really want Hugh Hefner’s sloppy seconds? I mean, I admire the man for what he’s managed to accomplish but still, lets be honest here. She was one of Hugh’s girls.
by TransplantedFan on Jun 17, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well its more of who would you rather have as your wife, not who’s sloppy seconds would you like….thats a bit much if you think of it like that, dont want to consider who’s left overs youre gettin.
Unless you’re really sayin that you’d rather have Cooley’s sloppies over Hughs, well “then thats just like you’re opinion man”. If you consider it that way, id rather have Hugh’s, he’s got HOW many bunnies? and he’s 2 days older then dirt. How often did he really go to bed w/ Kendra? Im willin to bet Cooley’s giving it a lot more to his wife on a reg. basic. So id take the Vag thats probly tighter.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
glad to see it didnt go unnoticed…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 10:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Speaking of The Big Lebowski...
If your idea of fun is getting loaded, dressing up like a Big Lebowski character, and bowling with about 100 other people dressed up like other Big Lebowski characters (some very obscure – a guy came as the writer in the iron lung at the last NYC Lebowskifest), then I recommend you check out this link…
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 10:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha…thats funny as shit…didnt know they had one in the NYC area, i read it in Maxim like 3 years ago bout Lebowski fest, but thought i was only out in like Illinois.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it originated in Louisville. A friend of mine used to drive there every year for it, but now they go all over the country. They’ve actually made a pretty successful business out of it. Best job on Earth?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats fkn awesome….“you said it man” def. best job on earth.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you watch the clip, she’s got a much better voice and laugh. Hands down better if you consider the whole package.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 10:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I also have to disagree with Bye Dawk on this one. Cooley’s wife > Baskett’s fiancée.
It still remember the pain of the week five loss to the skins last year. Very hard game to swallow.
by captain nodar on Jun 18, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Damn I hate that picture of jacobs running over landry
by travisjh86 on Jun 17, 2009 1:42 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Let's get the argument started...
To get things started, i think everyone agrees our line is suspect and would be good for an 8 game season… but it’s not, we have done some things to make it a younger group and chad reinhart i believe is ready to step in to replace randy thomas (a solid aging guard who played last season with a serious neck injury) if he goes down. But really, I’m pissed that we didn’t do more to address our o-line problems this offseason. The coaches seem pretty confident that the guys they have will get the job done, but I dont know.
Our WR’s are definitly suspect, and it is definitely riding on devin and malcom to step up. I think we’ll see devin thomas step into the number two spot this year. He was drafted after his junior season and rarely do wr’s come in and produce so it should be no surprise that he wasn’t productive last year for us especially after missing action due to nagging injuries. Him and JC have been working together all off-season to get on the same page and hopefully they’ve made some chemistry.
Pass rush a weakness?
Now I know we had little to no pass rush last year, but our off season moves should have at least taken it off the weakness and put into the “Other Concerns” category. Believe it or not we have the depth now to rotate our d-line (like the eagles and giants). We have some promising youth on our d-line that actually has me excited, i’m not saying we have an osi or tuck in training but still, better than renaldo wynn or phillip daniels. Daniels is more about stopping the run, so he’ll be our starting LDE and Orakpo will come in to relieve him on passing downs. Rob Jackson should see alot more time at DE probably giving Andre Carter a rest and if Chris Wilson steps up to converting to OLB, Orakpo would most definitely have his hand in the dirt more. I know the defensive line coach is trying to pressure zorn into having him all to himself and I’m all for it.
Corners:
If you’re going to judge our corners by interception numbers and interception numbers only, then you’re wasting my time. Smoot is old and almost done I agree, but Carlos Rogers is an elite corner. He can shut down any reciever in the nfc east. His only problem is his hands, he has a severe case of butterfingers. He should have a great year and will definitely have more interceptions purely on the fact that he’s probably seeing the pigskin as a wad of money being thrown his way since his contract is over at the end of the season.
D. Hall, i want to believe people when they say he wasn’t in the right system in oakland and I only saw him get burned once or twice after he came to us. He’s an athlete though so hopefully with the right coaching (and system?) he won’t be a flop or MEanglo hall. Supposedly he’s pissed about his Madden rating so… I guess whatever you need to inspire yourself?
Jason Campbell:
I don’t think he’s a question at all, he won’t put up huge numbers but he’ll have a solid year IF our line holds up. Fred Davis and Devin Thomas will definitely be getting more looks this season so his options of who to throw to will be better, but let’s not forget behind a healthy line ESPN was shouting out his name to be a pro bowler. Campbell’s failure last year was that we broke down, and teams figured out our game plan and we didn’t adapt to the changes that defenses made on us. We could move the ball but once we got into the redzone/field goal range we wouldn’t be able to move the ball anymore or we’d be pushed back by stupid penalities. Hopefully Zorn learned from last year and has figured out ways to finish drives.
As for Portis,
hopefully marcus mason, dominique dorsey, or anthony aldridge will step up as the number 2 over betts. Either way we do need a RB to come in the second half with fresh legs to take carries away from portis.
by travisjh86 on Jun 17, 2009 2:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I'll be nice...
Regarding Jason Campbell… (tilting head slightly) Really? C’mon, man… Jason Campb…WAIT! You know what? I’m stopping there. My rebuttal to that is “C’mon, man,” and I’m not going any further.
Regarding the Carlos Rodgers “elite corner” comment, you forgot to include “in college.” As for the “he can shut down any receiver in the NFC East” part, you forgot to write “that has a broken leg.”
DeAngelo Hall – Pinning your hopes that a player might play better because he might be motivated by a poor video game ranking… not good.
But this was my favorite…
Rob Jackson should see alot more time at DE probably giving Andre Carter a rest and if Chris Wilson steps up to converting to OLB
As was this…
hopefully marcus mason, dominique dorsey, or anthony aldridge will step up
Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson, Marcus Mason, Dominique Dorsey, and Anthony Aldridge… Ladies and Gentlemen… Your 2009 Redskins!
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
<DeAngelo Hall – Pinning your hopes that a player might play better because he might be motivated by a poor video game ranking… not good.>
It was a joke, not to be taken seriosuly. I guess the tanning bed, hair gel, and steroids have done their number and you are no longer able to understand when to take something seriously and when not too…
<Rob Jackson and Chris Wilson, Marcus Mason, Dominique Dorsey, and Anthony Aldridge… Ladies and Gentlemen… Your 2009 Redskins!>
i’m looking at depth, not starters
<Regarding Jason Campbell… (tilting head slightly) Really? C’mon, man… Jason Campb…WAIT! You know what? I’m stopping there. My rebuttal to that is "C’mon, man," and I’m not going any further.>
I’m not saying he’s a pro bowler, or will have a break out year, but the skins have proven that you don’t need a star qb to win a super bowl (three times actually). Campbell is a solid guy under center as long as has the protection, he’ll be fine.
<Regarding the Carlos Rodgers "elite corner" comment, you forgot to include "in college." As for the "he can shut down any receiver in the NFC East" part, you forgot to write "that has a broken leg.">
You obviously don’t watch but two games a year of the skins, so i’ll leave it at that.
by travisjh86 on Jun 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how the hell do you do block quotes ha
by travisjh86 on Jun 17, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
highlight the text you want to quote and click the " next to the S
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 17, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why don’t you actually respond next time with some thought
you quote me but leave out the actual point that i was making.
by travisjh86 on Jun 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For the record
It’s Carlos R-O-G-E-R-S. Not Aaron’s brother(?), Carlos Rodgers. You might want to learn to spell his name correctly before acting like you really know anything about his cover skills. Because if you did know anything about his cover skills, you would know that he covers WRs like white on rice. Blanket coverage. If you want to talk about his deficient catching abilities, then you make a valid point. He should have had, at least, 10 INTs last season. If he can ever figure out how to disable whatever force field is around his hands that prevents him from catching the flipping ball, he would definitely be elite.
Inversely, DeAngelo Hall is a straight ball-hawk. He plays the ball looking for the turnover so much, he lets guys like Eddie Royal burn him. Hall is a 2-time Pro Bowler with the speed to run beside any WR in the league. But, he needs to learn to stay with his man and make better decisions on INT attempts. I never realized how much Eagles fans hated Hall until this post. That’s gonna make watching him pick McNabb off in the coming years that much more enjoyable.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 2:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Must be that brown rice that is messing everything up. Like on those 4 TDs Rogers allowed last season. And of course if he had hands he would lead the league in interceptions. No doubt. Quite frankly, I’m impressed anyone managed to catch a ball with this guy on their side of the field.
Hall does gamble way too much, thus he gets burned a lot, which is why in many people’s opinions he’s an average corner. He has talent and skill for sure, but if you’re allowing rookies to have a field day against you, opposing teams won’t be too impressed.
Philly also has their combo of a lock down guy and a ball hawk. Sheldon the lock down guy, who allowed zero regular season TDs, and Asante the ball hawk, who for your money is the best corner in the division.
by FredEx on Jun 20, 2009 2:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
4 TDs???
I’m not sure what your stat source is, but did Brown even start every game? I thought Rogers INTs were low…
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 3:11 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon down not start every game, however he did start more games than Rogers, and allowed fewer TDs
by FredEx on Jun 20, 2009 3:45 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
According to NFL.com he didn’t start against the Seahawks. Still he started more games than Mr. Rogers, and had no TDs allowed.
I found some stats here, this was transplanted from Owner’s Edge, a pay site. Not sure to his sources or accuracy. If anyone has a reference for corner stats, please enlighten us.
He’s uses his own formula, I assume weighting certain stats to determine the best statistical corners in the game last season. He has Roger’s down for 4 TDS allowed, which is the relevant info regarding this debate.
However, if you buy into his formula, NFC East corners in the top 50, are
Corey Webster- 2
Sheldon Brown- 5
Carlos Rogers- 8
Mike Jenkins – 18
Asante Samuel- 20 (less TDS allowed then the ‘blanket’ coverage of Rogers)
Pacman Jones- 27
Kevin Dockery- 30
Terrence Newman- 42
by FredEx on Jun 20, 2009 7:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nooo
asante plays exactly like hall / but gets more picks .. newman is the best corner in the nfc east
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Terrence Newman?!
No way. I’ve watched him get burned too many times. Samuel is a ball-hawk with shutdown capability, who’s name appears in just about every stat log related to CBs. He’s the best right now.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 12:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
when was newman getting burned? during those 2 years he didnt give up a TD .. dont be biased against him cuz hes a cowboy… im not biased against ur skins
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You’re asking a guy who claimed Smoot was better than Sheldon Brown to not be biased. Good luck with that.
by FredEx on Jun 20, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol, I was being facetious
Saying Fred Smoot is better than Sheldon Brown is almost as moronic as saying DeAngelo Hall is “junk”.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 21, 2009 2:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman only got burned last year
because he wasnt healthy all season. You should appreciate how good he is, think back to the second skins-cowboys game and how he shut down moss.
by aussie_cowboy on Jun 21, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Oh yeah...
When our OL was virtually 2nd string and Newman and his safety had double-teams on Moss the whole game because the only real offensive receiving threat besides Moss was TE Chris Cooley (who was pretty much being used as an extension of the OL)?? THAT “second skins-cowboys game”??? Yeah, I remember how frustrating that game was…
Terrence Newman = OVERRATED.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 21, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Newman played that game and a few others with a hernia.
Moss ate his lunch but Newman got it fixed and ate Mosses lunch. KC Joyners break down showed Newman was very good after surgery but not so good before. It also show that Scandrick playing the slot played very good as well. Jenkins struggled early but later in the year he was playing much better. Both got better and should be top corners by December. I can tell you most of our fans are excited by these 2 new guys. They are both phenomenal atheletes who are right on schedule as far as development of young talent.
Cooley had to block because our blitz packages that week were killing you guys. Dont come crying about banged up lines, we were banged up too. We had a 3rd string guard in most of the year.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They have a similar aggressive style yes, but in my opinion Asante does it a lot better. He gets beat a lot less, and gets more picks. That’s better at both ends.
by FredEx on Jun 20, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea, id go with cooleys wife before baskets. She looks even better in the videos, which has to be a rareity.
by Qu1nTeR on Jun 17, 2009 2:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Oh yea, Great stuff once again dawk +rec
by Qu1nTeR on Jun 17, 2009 2:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Skins
Well, the Skins beat you twice before Haynesworth, before Orakpo, and before Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly spent the last 6 months training w/ Santana, coaches, and Campbell…does that mean you’ll lose by 27 instead of 7 this year? I’m not gonna take away from the Birds…they’ve been a solid team for 10 years, but be realistic…how would you rate your season if OAK doesn’t beat TAM week 17 allowing the Birds in? Anyone can get hot in the playoffs and you lost a terrible game at Fedex at the end of the year. I have no problem w/ everyone under-writing the Skins…they’ve deserved that…but your analysis is as about as thorough as Skip Bayless’s analysis. You’re essentially evaluating the 2008 Redskins with 2 ESPN Headlines.
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Devin Thomas and Malcolm Kelly spent the last 6 months training w/ Santana, coaches, and Campbell…
Do me a favor. Go to a quiet place, close the curtains, close your eyes, take a deep breath, count to ten, and then say that out loud, and tell me you wouldn’t piss your pants laughing at that statement if you were an Eagles fan.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree
You don’t know any better, I’d laugh too. No one has seen them since the end of last year…which is my point..you’re evaluating from that moment. I’ve been to minicamp and OTAs. Am I saying they’re the next Randy Moss? Hell no…but they’re better than anything we got last year. Santana was left hung to dry and Randle El couldn’t out-run a midget.
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 3:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve been to minicamp and OTAs.
Oh, well in that case… Let me make another call… “Hello, Mr. Lurie? I know Andy Reid has been a pretty good coach and all, but you see… There’s this guy KevinE… He’s a blogger. He’s been to minicamp and OTAs. (listening)… Yeah, not just minicamp. OTA’s, too!!! I don’t think the other teams are onto him yet. We should bring him in immediately!”
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice...
I criticize another “blogger” for rambling and now you’re saying I’m the one that’s the know it all. You’re the one evaluating teams and posting. Man, you must have really given Scott Pioli a run for his money for that Chiefs job.
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look, man...
You don’t have to rub it in… You’re better, OK? You’ve been to minicamp and OTA’s. Just let me leave with dignity.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ROFL
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 17, 2009 5:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
get the fuck out of here .. devin thomas was the best wr in last years draft and will be a quality nfl wide reciever .. wrs take three years to develop .. its the same learning curve we have always had . and if reggie wasnt hurt .. desean would have had a hard time getting on the field
by jack is better than asante on Jun 18, 2009 2:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Congrats...
You’ve managed to somehow top any other post I’ve ever seen from you. I mean this in the most sincere way… That is the dumbest thing I’ve read in years.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 2:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When maclin blows next year you'll learn about that 3 year learning curve...
For every Desean there’s twenty Sinorice Moss’s
by regaberto on Jun 18, 2009 5:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If you want to use a counter point, to show how WRs typically operate on a 3 year curve you would be best suited to provide an example of a WR who after 3 years turned into what was initially expected of him, not Sinorce Moss who has yet to prove he belongs on an NFL roster.
by FredEx on Jun 18, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair and nicely put
So WTF is Regaberto comparing a rookie to a player like Moss?
For every Desean there’s twenty Sinorice Moss’s
Seriously, the poor little SOB (Moss) hasn’t been fully healthy ever since he’s been a Giant. If your insinuating he’s a bust, fine, so be it. But at least be fair and give consideration that if healthy and given an opportunity, then perhaps he would disprove otherwise. Besides, there a thing called a depth chart!
And really, Maclin already blows? Hasn’t even taken a meaningful snap yet, but were quick to make a snap judgement call based on the concept of the 3 year rule. Oh BTW, which is a guideline, NOT, the rule!
by Hootman on Jun 19, 2009 9:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's the same
logic here with Maclin, everyone is considering him to be a huge upgrade to the Eagles receiving core, but like you said he “Hasn’t even taken a meaningful snap yet” Just keep that in mind. There are too many Eagles fans and media members saying how great he has made the Eagles, but I think Regaberto’s point is that he is more likely to have a bad rookie year than to repeat Jackson’s 1st season.
First to six!!!
by sduncan24 on Jun 20, 2009 10:27 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes going to be
with maclin and jackson the eagles are set for 5 to 7 years .. but maclin wont do anything this year .. maybe by next year hes a stud
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 12:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well, this is what annoyed me
Comparing DJax to 20 Moss’s! Situations were/are entirely different. Perhaps DJax to Mike Williams or Troy Williamson would be appropriate?!
There are too many Eagles fans and media members saying how great he has made the Eagles, but I think Regaberto’s point is that he is more likely to have a bad rookie year than to repeat Jackson’s 1st season.
Now, you could insert any team or media affiliation within that statement. To be fair amongst all fans, why wouldn’t they be excited about this or that player. But to go out on a limb to say so-in-so will not be good are overlooking variables. Team needs, depth charts, how the player will be utilized etc…
So to be fair to Maclin, no one should expect him to have a season like DJax or even Royal. Anything less shouldn’t be considered bad either, but you have to keep it in a realistic perspective!
by Hootman on Jun 20, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Look dude how many Rookie WR's make huge impacts there first years?
Not a whole bunch……. Who cares who i compare them to the fact is its super unlikely he will make a impact this year.
by regaberto on Jun 21, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right!
And for every time a team trades a 1st, 3rd, and 6th…..wait, NOBODY DOES THAT! Fuckers! Thats like the one asshole that fucks up the curve!
Your shit hole team fucked up free agency for at least 2 years with that NONSENSE!
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Jun 19, 2009 2:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I didn't like giving up that much either
but if it stopped the Eagles, Redskins, and Giants from getting Boldin, Johnson, or even Edwards, than it was almost worth it…..
First to six!!!
by sduncan24 on Jun 20, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
i dont think it is that much .. wernt the skins offering two first for chad last year .. and arizona wanted a 1st and a 2nd for boldin .. so it is pretty fair value .. williams is a number 1 wr .. and better than hakeem nicks who was there when the cowboys picked
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wait, hakeem nicks was on the board when the cowboys picked? are you sure about that
by travisjh86 on Jun 25, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think he meant that Nicks was on the board when Dallas would have picked had they not traded their 1 for Roy Williams. JIBTA’s posts need to be translated sometimes.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 25, 2009 5:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get your JIBTA decoder ring once you’ve reached 250 comments.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 25, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no
Eagles fan since December 10, 1995
by Eagles675 on Jun 27, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oooo again... i'll handle this one too
1. just leave
2. devin thomas? really? is that why in 16 games he had 15 receptions for a toal of 120 yards? first year in the league: anquan boldins first year was just ridiculous, larry fitz went 16 games 58 rec 780 yards, Calvin Johnson 15 games 48 rec 756 yards, hank basket 16 games 22 rec 464 yards, reggie brown 16 games 43 rec 571 yards, shall i go on?
3. desean filled in for Curtis at the begining of the season
by sports00fan00 on Jun 18, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All good points (especially #1)...
But I was more focused on this one made by JIBTA…
desean would have had a hard time getting on the field
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
devin thomas was the best wr in last years draft and will be a quality nfl wide reciever .. wrs take three years to develop
Someone needs to call DeSean Jackson, Eddie Royal and Donnie Avery and let them know.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
…not to mention at least 5-10 other rookies that had better seasons.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah when Jordy Nelson has a better year than you that generally means you weren’t the best WR in the draft.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 2:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That Whodie, is a very sad truth.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 18, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
A list of rookie WR's that were clearly better last year than Devin Thomas...
Donnie Avery
DeSean Jackson
Eddie Royal
Jordy Nelson
Harry Douglas
Keenan Burton
Josh Morgan
Davone Bess
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 3:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
devin thomas was the best wr in last years draft and will be a quality nfl wide reciever .. wrs take three years to develop
This maybe is true. Devin Thomas was thought by many to be the best WR in the draft. WR are commonly stated to have a longer learning curve, which is often said to be 3 years, as stated.
However, this may or may not mean anything. That 3 year curve never worked out for people waiting on Peter Warrick or Mike Williams. I said earlier I wouldn’t be surprised if Thomas was good, but I would have expected a lot more from him last year to definitely believe that he’ll grow in the league, especially if he is/was going to go down as the best WR in the draft class.
by FredEx on Jun 18, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ladell Betts had better receiving numbers than Devin Thomas.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 3:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, time to pile on...
He had 3 more catches, 22 more yards, and 1 less TD than Mike Sellers.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 4:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, I’m well aware he did close to nothing last season. I’m trying to keep it in my mind he gets respectable (which is definitely possible) just in case, to better handle my emotions if he does so. If he flops (again), which I hope is true, but won’t bank on, then that’s just awesome.
by FredEx on Jun 18, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I
haven’t even heard of half these people!!
Eagles fan since December 10, 1995
by Eagles675 on Jun 18, 2009 4:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then you obviously don’t pay attention to your fellow nfc east teams, dumbass
by travisjh86 on Jun 19, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he meant
Jordy Nelson
Harry Douglas
Keenan Burton
Josh Morgan
Davone Bess
how many of them are in the nfc east? 0?
dumbass
by sports00fan00 on Jun 21, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
actually
your the dumbass if you dont know who they are .. these are starting nfl wrs
by jack is better than asante on Jun 21, 2009 11:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don’t wrongfully insult people. It’s bad for your reputation. Nowhere did sports00fan00, claimed he didn’t know who those players are.
And secondly. those 5 players have a combined 10 starts, 6 of which belonged to Bess. So ‘starting WRs’ is a stretch. And Douglas had none, so is definitely not a starting NFL WR.
by FredEx on Jun 22, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck u guys
your all jack asses .. steve smith anyone? ..wrs generally take time to develop .. and three years has always been the number .. you are all jackasses who only preach about the eagles .. its bs .. im correct .. and whos to say desean isnt the next michael clayton .. didnt he do the same thing with the bucs and not do shit the next three years?
by jack is better than asante on Jun 19, 2009 2:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We’re gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches.
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Jun 19, 2009 2:28 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Is he still in jail?
Last I heard he had some kind of a coke problem. Either way great movie, even better quote.
"Seriously… F off." JasonB to a Denver fan after Dawk left.
by DownHillBradley on Jun 19, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nah, Jay is in recovery now.
He chopped his hair off and did some really funny Black comedy B horror movie that was hilarious, he played and EMT who found a girlfriend who turned out to be a vampire, and in order to keep her from going out, he would bring her people. It’s called Bitten.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bitten_(film)
Well woth the watch, Feast was better though.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 19, 2009 8:57 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He was also in Zach and Miri Make a Porno
And was hilarious in it too.
by NOLACuse on Jun 19, 2009 11:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that has to be....
All you motherfuckers are gonna pay. You are the ones who are the ball-lickers. We’re gonna fuck your mothers while you watch and cry like little bitches.
One of the funniest comments I’ve seen on here in a while. Nice pull BroadSt!
If the Skins end up as bad as we think they will be Zorn may want to invest in one of those “Cock Knocker” gloves as a motivational tool!
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Jun 19, 2009 1:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You are on an EAGLES WEBSITE.
HENCE we talk about the EAGLES.
All you do is sit here everyday and say fuck you guys…
fuck you guys, blah blah blah…
Then why don’t you pack your fuckin’ bags you cry baby and go to a Football Players Fans website where maybe they will be a little less biased and a little more objective. Until then, you claim to know what you are talking about, yet you bitch about people talking the Eagles like we love them or something,(GEEEE) when that is what this goddamn site is about. Get with the programor get lost Sally.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 19, 2009 8:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You sir are correct. Both ’Skins WRs and/or Jackson could all be awesome or terrible.
I think the Skins WRs are a weakness until proven other wise, but they definitely have potential at the position. The learning curve doesn’t mean they will figure it out, so ‘Skins fans should still be concerned about them. However their abysmal seasons last season doesn’t mean they will continue to be terrible, so Eagles fan’s shouldn’t get too excited.
by FredEx on Jun 19, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roddy White
is a perfect example of the learning curve but i do have say Devin Thomas looks more like a Dwayne Jerrett
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jun 21, 2009 2:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Roddy White...
… is the perfect example of why Mike Vick doesn’t have a job, yet.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Jun 22, 2009 1:51 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
cant disagree with that either
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jun 22, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
no way
white and jenkins were both bad untill white learned how to create seperation and become a go to wr .. it takes a few years to learn this .. im saying thomas takes the same route and becomes a white type not a jenkins type .. but theres always boom or bust potential .. jackson could be a michael clayton for all we know
by jack is better than asante on Jun 22, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DHall
DeAngelo Hall – Junk.
This guy obviously didn’t take a good look at the week 16 game at Fedex. Deangelo Hall finished up with 8 solo tackles and 3 passes defended against his birds. If junk can do that, I’ll take it any day.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 17, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HOLY SHIT!!!!!
8 solo tackles and 3 passes defensed. Let me get on the phone!!! “Hello, Canton? You got an open spot? Wait until you hear this…”
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck u
byedawk is soo biased .. he only likes eagles players .. if hall was here and asante was there .. it would be all hall is a stud .. hes soo fast and has great recovery speed
by jack is better than asante on Jun 17, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
A fan of your own team called you out.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 17, 2009 3:27 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
JIBTA is kind of legendary around here...
He’s not really a fan of the Eagles… at all.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea he’s pretty much the ultimate Player fan. I don’t think he really has a favorite team just players from around the league.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 17, 2009 5:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thats not true
im a huge eagles fan .. but i like other players as well .. if gocong gets a sack in happy as hell .. but i know hes not that great and that a guy like boley is better
by jack is better than asante on Jun 18, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh yeah
How do you feel when ASANTE gets a pick……I bet it drives you nuts, the same way it drives everyone else around here nuts when TO would score a TD.
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Jun 19, 2009 2:30 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HA HA HA HA HA
When I look at this team, I still don't feel as though we are very far away, we still have to work hard and do the things we are capable of, but we do have the chance to get back and come back strong." -Brian Westbrook-
by EAGLE_MAN71 on Jun 18, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
why do you what to fuck everyone YOU TOTAL SICK ASSHAT
When I look at this team, I still don't feel as though we are very far away, we still have to work hard and do the things we are capable of, but we do have the chance to get back and come back strong." -Brian Westbrook-
by EAGLE_MAN71 on Jun 18, 2009 2:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
the only thing bad on the redskins is their D ends asuming orpako plays lb .. on defense that is .. now cambell is another story lol
by jack is better than asante on Jun 17, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In all honesty DeAngelo Hall shows flashes of being good but he really isn’t anything special.
2006:
Targeted: 87 times
Yards allowed: 798 (2nd worst in NFL)
YPA: 9.2 (76th in the NFL)
2007:
Targeted: 69 times
Yards allowed: 539
YPA: 7.8 (54th in the NFL)
2008
Thrown at: 97
Catches allowed: 57
Yards: 756
YPA: 7.79
Fuck when he made the Pro Bowl in 2006 it must have been name recognition his YPA that year was a staggering 9.2.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 17, 2009 5:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You get thrown at 97 times in a season, and it’s pretty clear opposing offenses are pretty much game planning to specifically pick on you. 97 is ridiculous.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 5:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but your analysis is as about as thorough as Skip Bayless’s analysis. You’re essentially evaluating the 2008 Redskins with 2 ESPN Headlines.
It was 1,639-word post. ESPN must have some long headlines.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No...
It’s rambling and uninformative like Skip Bayless
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I sorry brother, but sometimes the truth hurts.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
indeed
last year was painful…not gonna lie. but you’re saying we’re the same team as last year when we cut multiple old players and Skins are entering 2nd year of an offense. realistically things can’t get worse.
All trash-talking aside, who is in place to take over Jim Johnson? He’s the anchor of that team….no one seems to bring that to light when they put the Birds top 5 power rankings. (I of course hope he gets well and returns…but not looking likely)
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 3:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who knew the Redskins fans were so sensitive?
It’s kind of funny… All the Redskins fans basically agreed with the Cowboys and Giants posts, but not their own. Interesting.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not necessarily
I agreed with you on some of your points here and I even pointed out a weakness that you didn’t really touch on, but maybe if you actually read what i typed instead of nit picking then you’d understand that.
by travisjh86 on Jun 17, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 recs!!!!
how anyone respond to that???
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 17, 2009 3:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
11 people said, “Hey, you know what? I like what you’re throwing out there, fella. Let me just click this little button to show my appreciation.”
It kinda warms my heart a little.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I could say that even if you beat us twice again (good job on that) if we make the playoffs, albeit barely we won’t care. But you know that, and that argument doesn’t change.
The Skins definitely have a lot of potential. Its very possible either WR could step up. There is a bigger learning curve for that position. However because they showed basically nothing last season, you have to be concerned. Its not like guys like Mike Williams, Charles Rogers, and Freddie Mitchell didn’t try to get better. If those two guys can step up, then WR is not a weakness, if they don’t it is. Could either way, but you don’t want to bank on potential when doing a break down.
Rodgers is not an elite corner, but he was solid. He did allowed like 4 TDs last year, that’s not an ‘elite’ corner type of thing to do. If Hall can play anywhere close to his potential (which he only does some of the time) you should be good, or maybe if you can actually generate a pass rush.
by FredEx on Jun 17, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nobody said he was an elite corner.
He’s above average and last time I heard, that wasn’t considered “junk”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 17, 2009 3:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Okay maybe travis did say he was an elite corner
but that doesn’t reflect most people’s views on Rogers
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=laydODN6xVk
by hibachi on Jun 17, 2009 3:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
skins games
we’re the 2 games the Birds were the most depleted in during the season. & we only lost by 6,7.
idk if u can find starting rosters, but those we’re the two games we had like 5 or 6 beginning of the season starters playing in the game. football has a lot to do about intangibles & the skins had that advantage during those games.
by sports00fan00 on Jun 17, 2009 7:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Like the Skins had no injuries?
Half the O-line was on IR the second time we met…including Chris Samuels
by KevinE on Jun 18, 2009 10:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Its not Cooley
No questions…Kendra is the hands-down winner on this imho. She said Hef only hit it once (I’m pretty sure). Either way…she’s way hotter.
by KevinE on Jun 17, 2009 3:44 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That’s what does it for me. Kendra speaks once and my dong is in the dirt.
Cooley’s wife all the way.
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 17, 2009 4:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dawk..
Laughed my ass off @ the Freddie Mitchell part. Cooley’s wife was a nice touch…
Hooah.
by .FRoST.USAF on Jun 18, 2009 10:35 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Bye, Dawk : (
Has quickly become one of my favorite posters on this sight. Great analysis, crushes other Beast teams’ fans w/ better info than their own…..can’t ask for much more than that. Great stuff again man. I voted no btw. I still like the Chowboys to finish last.
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Jun 18, 2009 1:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
please explain how he has better information on other beast teams than the fans of those teams?
There’s not one thing in any of those three articles that i haven’t heard 100 times
by travisjh86 on Jun 18, 2009 1:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
read the dallas segment
snd you’ll know what he’s talking about
by sports00fan00 on Jun 18, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i’ve read it, still don’t see what he’s talking about
by travisjh86 on Jun 19, 2009 3:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
HEY!!!
Leave my fans alone.
(Thanks, Okie.)
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 2:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
So humble. :-D
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 18, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Your very welcome!
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Jun 19, 2009 1:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i wasn’t making fun of your “fans”, just simply asking why he was declaring you all-knowledgeable
i’m still waiting for an answer of how you have better knowledge of other nfc east teams than their fans
by travisjh86 on Jun 19, 2009 3:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
YAAAAAY!!!! (balloons and confetti falling from the ceiling)
That’s comment number 17 for you on this thread!!! And anyone that reaches the rare 17th comment threshold immediately becomes an honorary “Bye Dawk Super Fan Club Member!!!” Your t-shirt is in the mail.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 19, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
ROFL
When can the official "Bye Dawk Super Fan Club Members" expect their t-shirts?
"Seriously… F off." JasonB to a Denver fan after Dawk left.
by DownHillBradley on Jun 19, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I've started the Facebook Page!
jk
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 19, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ha
I was actually searching for it because I didn’t read the “jk”
"Seriously… F off." JasonB to a Denver fan after Dawk left.
by DownHillBradley on Jun 22, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude,
i’m still waiting for my t-shirt
by travisjh86 on Jun 25, 2009 5:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Trav....
I wasn’t planning on responding to you dude. My comment was to Bye,Dawk, not you. When I read your stuff your “voice” is that of a dejected 8 year old girl.
Lil Girl voice: They don’t like me….they think ByeDawk is soooooo all-knowing…what does he know….who cares about his 17 rec’s of biased opinions…..those people don’t know anything either!! (foot stomp, hand on hips) Daddy!!! I wanna oompaloompa noooooooow!!!!!!
And this is the reason I was not going to respond. When I read your stuff, all I hear is that annoying lil’ kid from Charlie and the Chocolate factory. Toughen up dude, it’ll pay off when the regular season starts.
And seriously, from what I’m seeing so far, it sounds like Zorn is going to need to buy Portis a whole lot more costume jewelry and novelty sunglasses to get him to perform this year. Dude is already making waves. Redskins = One of the most poorly run franchises in all of sport.
OUT-
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Jun 19, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Redskins = One of the most poorly run franchises in all of sport.
Actually, it’s one of the most financially successful franchises in the world… smart guy.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I dont think he meant fiscally, but the overspending on players. Trying to recreate Gibbs success 15 years later, and the small debacle of inquiring about Cutler. The little things like that, not that you guys don’t buy tickets and the franchise doesnt make money.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 20, 2009 12:29 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
One of the things fans don’t seem to understand, though, is that when they see these hugely inflated salary numbers, that’s almost never what the player will actually receive. Albert Haynesworth will never get that full $100 milion!! That contract will be renegotiated and extended and reworked again, until he’s cut or retired. That’s why, year after year after year, Snyder is always in the mix for the biggest free agents. As long as we can continue to beat the cap and sign the FAs we need to compete, I could care less what Snyder pays these guys.
Regarding Gibbs, I guess outside of D.C. his return was considered a failure? He did lead us to the playoffs twice in 4 years, but, because we didn’t win a SB…
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 1:26 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Im an Eagles fan, no one pulls the carpet out better. I understand that NFL contracts are not garunteed, but he was garunteed 41 million. I’m not even sayin that contract inparticular, he hasn’t even played a down for you yet.
Well considering Gibbs didnt win a super bowl. if you consider the hype that he came back to the Redskins with, yah id have to say in technical terms it was a failure. Isn’t that what the rest of the teams in the beast say about the Eagles no Lombardi trophies, so our franchise is a failure? Don’t you all flaunt those lucrative trophies?
I’m not sayin he bombed or anything, but either way you look at it he didnt get to the ultimate goal.
Anyway, i was just sayin that i dont think that he was refering to the monetary success of the Redskins franchise.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 20, 2009 1:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well considering Gibbs didnt win a super bowl.
I just wanted to make sure that was really the angle you were coming from. I’m surprised to hear an Eagle fan using that as a benchmark for success.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dude, i really dont know as much about the Skins to be honest. I was Just sayin how some people view your team. I dont view success as the be all end all of winning a championship. As a side note, your fan base was hyped to the max at Gibbs coming back.
I and im sure everyone else here is more then proud as an Eagles fan, despite “the empty trophy case”. We are a very successful team despite that benchmark. I’m a die hard, but i can still be objective.
Your defense is gonna be quite the force with Haynesworth, i really hope our line comes together and we can handle him effectively. I watched the vanderbosh video on him, and still laugh at the stomp.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 20, 2009 1:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haynewwoth
he and orakpo make the skins a top tier d .. we are not a top tier D!! we are above average .. but they have play makers . we have a few good players .. the only true stud on our D is bunkley .. and cole is a good pass rushing specialist like a freeny
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yea
with JJ …. with out JJ .. barley top 10 .. and skins were 4 .. and the giants have best D in league
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its the same f’n defense, with or w/o JJ. Get out of here that we’re gonna drop out of the tops in the league best in the NFC because he’s not there. We are still EASILY top ten in the league.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 20, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
?
why do the eagles drop to barely top ten without JJ, but the giants go to best in the league when they lose spags?
by eagleyosh on Jun 21, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmmmm...
Jack, the floor is yours.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Good question.
MY guess is because Coughlin will run the ball, chew up clock, play field position and unlike Reid and Garrett wont throw 60% of the time or lots of quick scores. He will grind out the clock and limit his Ds time on the field.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
None of that will matter if our O comes out firing and lives up to its potential. Our defense could possibly have it easy if teams are playin catch up like they did in ’04. (not saying anyone on this team is good as T.O.!!)
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 21, 2009 6:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It will be harder this time, I think the level of talent is higher and Defenses better.
Having said that, getting behind you are the Giants is bad news with the pass rushes you guys have.
I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.
by squidlo97 on Jun 21, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
because
it doesnt take a genius to send osi tuck and canty .. yes a lil over rated but still better than patterson .. not better than bunkley ..at the qb . . where all we have is cole to rush the passer
by jack is better than asante on Jun 21, 2009 11:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WTF does your post mean??
He was merely sayin that the teams are better then the ’04 season, so it will be harder to have the offensive output we had.
Who is overrated in that group, maybe canty?? Osi and Tuck are proven talents and def. not overrated.
Dude get the context of the posts/convo you’re gettin into before you post stupid things that don’t fit.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 22, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
canty
canty is a lil over rated .. and ur proving my point that spags isnt a big a loss as JJ.. because all we know is JJ and hes a genius .. anyone can send osi and tuck at the qb .. we dont have that luxury .. we need clever schmes to get to qb
by jack is better than asante on Jun 22, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
There’s a lot more factors to consider. No one is ever gonna say that dline is bad, but there’s more to a def. then just a dline. Okay, Osi was out last year, but they still had a top 5/top 10 def….6th in sacks….but none against the Eagles.
They still need a def. scheme to be good, and spags scheme got them a superbowl. I think both D.C. losses are almost a wash. Their loss at DC was bigger, but they have the better dline.
Our DC loss isnt as bad because the man replacing him was there before JJ. The biggest loss is JJ’s in game analysis/adjustments that you can’t duplicate.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 22, 2009 7:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
crazy schemes
like safety blitzes & corner blitzes, i don’t know if sending dawkins up the middle or sheldon from the side can be considered clever schemes, it’s more like timing & designed plays that JJ & McDermot have in the playbook, so McDermot. your acting like the Eagles suck at defense, the Giants might be one of the, if not the, best qb rushing, but the birds are not bad, they just use a different style
by sports00fan00 on Jun 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Cole plays on both run and pass days, you jack ass. Come on, do you even watch Eagle games? He’s a good all around end.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 20, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes jackass
and im not a biased asshole like u .. JJ makes the defense because of his schemes and ability to bring pressure from all over .. its not the players. . because like i said .. only bunkley is top 10 at his position in the front 7 .. coles good .. but not a perenial probowler .. hes good at rushing the passer
by jack is better than asante on Jun 21, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
First off, im not biased in the least bit. You’ve just got your head to far up your own ass to see the light. You’re not biased, you’re just asinine. If there was some sort of logic to your posts, maybe people could stand to hear what you have to say.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 21, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck u
greenbean you are biased as hell .. if they arnt on the eagles you dont like them or say they are good .. is justin tuck good .. or ware?
by jack is better than asante on Jun 21, 2009 11:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I haven’t been specifically monitoring greenbean#twoOH, so I can’t speak to his bias or lack thereof. However on this specific discussion all he said was that Cole also plays against the run, making him more than pass rushing specialist. He didn’t proclaim (at least that I saw) that Cole is best ever, or best in the division or anything like that. He said that he can play all around, and that expects the Eagles to sill be a top 10 D, which is certainly not an outlandish claim.
If he showed bias somewhere else then that’s different. However even so, attack him when its relevant, not after mild claims like the ones he’s just made.
And I think even the most biased of Eagles’ fan will admit Tuck and Ware are legit.
by FredEx on Jun 22, 2009 12:44 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ware is a beast, In the giant posts ive said tuck should have gotten the mvp of the super bowl, since they should have given it to the giants defense. So your claims are retarded.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 22, 2009 4:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly! Thanks greenbean!
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Jun 21, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
damn, I'll get this reply button figured out eventually....jeez
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Jun 21, 2009 4:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks for the petty insults
i’ll try to sound more manly next time i’m typing?
by travisjh86 on Jun 25, 2009 5:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i read over my comments, i feel like the “voice” i had when reading my posts was more of a deep mono-tone rather than a dejected 8 year old girl, but your opinion is your opinion so don’t get your panties in a bunch, i was just trying to ask a question and no one would answer
but on a serious note what are you talking about zorn having to buy portis costumes and jewelry?
by travisjh86 on Jun 25, 2009 5:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 4 years doesnt Mickell have 6 picks?
Awfull……………….
by regaberto on Jun 18, 2009 5:12 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Only started the last 2 season, plays a different position than Rodgers (and has a totally different role with his team), and was named 2nd team All Pro.
Amateur hour. Next.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 5:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
mikkell
regaberto .. mikkell is not that good .. they over rate him cuz hes an eagle .. demps is our best saftey
by jack is better than asante on Jun 19, 2009 2:24 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
DIBTM?!
Demps is Better than Mikell
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 19, 2009 8:48 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
then we can put our P’s in her A’s and V"s while you jiggle her T’s and pinch the N’s while all dancing to go-go music
by travisjh86 on Jun 19, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Demps? I could be mistaken but I thought you thought that Mikell and Jones would be the starters?
by FredEx on Jun 19, 2009 4:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i do
it doesnt mean i agree with it .. they will be the starters .. but demps is the best saftey on the roster .. jones isnt bad tho .. hes prob more athletic than mikell
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 1:42 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Makes sense, what you think should happen and will happen are two different things. From the reports that are coming out and it appears its Demps’ job to lose, so I’m surprised you think Jones will overcome that. I’m also thinking Mikell and Jones will start, but I think that’s deserved.
On athleticism, I know it helps, but its the not the only thing. Mikell was extremely solid last year. His only full season as a starter and he filled up the stat sheet.
by FredEx on Jun 20, 2009 1:49 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
how do you figure?
mikell is known commodity, demps is not. explain this to me. what is your logic? tell me how you know demps is better. how is demps any better than sean jones for that matter?
by snowhill82 on Jun 21, 2009 8:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Amateur hour?
Dude your so full of your self…… Both are Defensive Backs…… Both have played 4 years……. both have 6 picks……. But only the one thats not a eagle is awfull??? And all you guys rec this guy
by regaberto on Jun 21, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, yup...
Amateur hour. Good to know that bothers you, too. I’ll be going back to the well on that one – From now on, you’ll be know here as “Amateur Hour.” Nice!
Let’s hear your next comparison… I’m thinking it’ll be some dumb comparison along the lines of… “Marcus Spears had more sacks last season than Mikell, so he’s better.” Oops, check that – My mistake… Mikell actually had more sacks last season than Spears. Wait, that can’t be right, can it? OK, well surely the other starting defensive end (Igor Olshansky) had more sacks last year than our safety. Oops, not the case there either. Uh, maybe we can go with… Roy Williams had more TD receptions with the Cowboys last year than Mikell? Wait, let me check to make sure… OK, that one holds up. Roy had one more. Sweet! Mikell sucks!
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 21, 2009 3:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
regoberto was compating safteys and you had no response to it .. you threw in a bunch of nonsense about over rated DES .. im sure regaberto doesnt think spears and olshansky are that good .. just like i dont think gocong is good ..
by jack is better than asante on Jun 21, 2009 11:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The purpose of that ‘nonsense’ on DEs was to show the flawed logic of judging Mikell solely on career INTs (especially out of a SS).
Prior to last season’s INT happy year from Polamalu, his career best season would have been, 96 tackles, 10 passes defended, 3 sacks, 5 INTs. Now that’s his career best in each area entering last season, from arguably the best SS in the game.
In comparison Mikell, in his first season as a full time 16 game starter, posted 93 tackles, 9 passes defended, 2 sacks and 3 interceptions.
by FredEx on Jun 22, 2009 12:18 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think it should be mandatory for JIBTA to check in with FredEx before every post to make sure he knows what he’s arguing..
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 22, 2009 6:05 AM EDT up reply actions 3 recs
+1,000,000,000 REC
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 22, 2009 5:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m not sure how many picks Mickell has … what team does Mickell play for?
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
brilliant!
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya point out spelling because 6 picks is 6 picks and you cant argue that..........
by regaberto on Jun 21, 2009 3:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Last I checked there is more to evaluating a player than picks. No one will argue the number of picks he has, however people will argue with your assessment of him based solely on picks.
by FredEx on Jun 21, 2009 5:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He’s a strong safety … if you understood the strong safeties job in our defense you would realize that sacks and tackles better reflect how he is playing than INTs.
In 2008 He had 93 tackles and 2 sacks 2007 74 tackles and 1 sack … oh and in 2008 9 PDs and 3 INTs 2007 5 PDs 1 INT … I’ll take that ratio in a SS any day.
FWIW … Adrian Wilson 2009 Pro Bowl SS 75 tackles 2.5 sacks 5 PD 2 INTs (4 INTs over the last 2 years … weird) … Troy Polamalu 2009 Pro Bowl SS 73 Tackles 0 sacks 17 PDs 7 INTs (career high had 0 the year before and still managed to make the pro bowl) … Chris Hope 2009 Pro Bowl reserve SS 78 Tackles 1 sack 8 PDs 4 INTs
For the record I attacked the miss spelling of his name rather than making a point because it seems they are worthless on you.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Jun 21, 2009 7:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not to mention...
Last year – 3 picks, 93 tackles, 2 forced fumbles, and 2 sacks. You’re out of your element, Donnie.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 5:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he served six months in chino for exposing himself to an 8 year old.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 21, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
In 2 years doesnt Anthony Splencer have 4.5 sacks?
Awfull……………….
by FredEx on Jun 18, 2009 6:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Who's Anthony Splencer?
Silent L?
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Jun 19, 2009 1:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha, in fairness...
The “L” is below the “P.” Could be a typo.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 19, 2009 1:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was just misspelling a players name to fit in.. Mickell/Splencer they are both close enough, right?
by FredEx on Jun 19, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And in fairness...
Names with a middle “ck” are much more common that names with a single “k”.
Viva México! Go Cowboys!
by Chandus on Jun 19, 2009 1:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Pass rush
Last year, our defense was ranked 4th in overall defense. Our DL has the same core group of players from last year. But, one of the key reasons why our defense will have a good pass rush this year is Albert Haynesworth. Big Al is, arguably, the best DT in the NFL. He commands double teams. He dictates which direction the Center will move. And he can actually play any position on the DL. Check out this video as Kyle Vanden Bosch (DE -Tennessee) breaks down why Haynesworth is such a difference maker in the game.
Are the Redskins seriously considering playing Brian Orakpo at LINEBACKER?… The other DE’s are such non-factors, I’m not even going to bother mentioning them.I guess I have to overlook you saying that our other DEs are non-factors. I mean all you have to go on is last year. However, in 2007, Andre Carter had double-digit sacks. Prior to that, he had double-digit sacks in SF before they went to a 3-4 and played him out of position. Daniels (and Wynn for that matter) is definitely not a pass rushing specialist. But he is solid versus the run, and that is what his role will be. Our DEs definitely aren’t elite, but having the best DT in Albert Haynesworth will definitely raise everyone’s game, just like it did in Tennessee.
The idea behind trying Brian Orakpo at Will (OLB) is to basically collapse the entire left side of the opposing team’s line. If the Eagles put one man on Carter and two on Haynesworth, who’s going to block 6’3", 260 lb. Orakpo? Westy? If they try to block Rak with Westbrook or McCoy, he will toss them out of the way like a rag-doll.
We really won’t know for sure where Orakpo will play until after training camp. But, like I posted earlier, the plan is to mix him in at OLB and DE in pass rushing situations. He’s definitely got the speed (4.6-40) and power to do both. By having Rak (and Chris Wilson) learn the OLB schemes, it will also make the defense more versatile.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 1:07 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Do What?
Your leaving someone out. Why is he goin at westy? Most of the time he will be goin up against Weaver and plz stop if you think he goin thru him with no problems. Hell he wont manhandle westy either
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jun 22, 2009 1:12 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This made me LOL ....
Hell he wont manhandle westy either
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 22, 2009 8:10 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
OK, this has gotten extremely retarded very quickly...
I’m pretty sure the Eagles won’t be leaving a RB to block a DE one on one, so let’s just kill this debate before it gets any dumber.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 22, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
str8 up
ofcourse Orakhoe will go thru Westbrook. Havent you heard of a cut block? But like i said west is usaully gonna be running a route so he will be goin up against weaver. We all kno they’re not gonna leave west alone against him i jus dont appreciate em hatin on my boi. Apart from that its maybe jus my opinon i dont think haynesworth is that great he is good jus not 100 mili good. I dont he is gonna the force yall think he is. Thats why yall need Orakhoe at end instead of linebacker but tha only time yall will see him at end is in madden
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jun 22, 2009 2:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
English
isn’t your native language, is it?
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 22, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i guess not
i thought this was tha internet atleast i dont type L!k3 +H!$. What part of VA ya from? I’m from newport news
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jun 22, 2009 2:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bad News??
Wait, you didn’t work at any kennels down there did you?? :-D
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 22, 2009 3:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yea
but they fired me after i got caught actually taking care of the dogs. haha nah I moved to nc then back up to charrlottesville then back to nc. lol There aint nuttin but skin fans in charlottesville.
by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jun 22, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
i would take the skinds d in a second over ours .. but we have a better offense and special teams .. and most important we have a good qb .. cambell holds the skins back .. they needed to get cutler
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree mostly.
McNabb is definitely a better QB right now. And I really wanted Cutler, bad. But, I need to see JC in action another year before I write him off as holding us back. His numbers have steadily improved every year. I think this will be his best year.
RAK EM UP!
by VA_Skin on Jun 20, 2009 2:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well
he hasnt done much yet .. he was good last year in the first half .. than he fell apart
by jack is better than asante on Jun 20, 2009 12:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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