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3 Part Series... Our Rivals' Biggest Strengths & Weaknesses. First Up - Dallas Cowboys

In the NFC East, 3 teams got better this season.  One didn't.  Care to guess who regressed?  That's right... The Dallas Cowboys.  Let's look at their strengths and weaknesses...

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STRENGTHS...

1)  The QB position

 

Our favorite whipping boy gets a ton of heat here at BGN for the fumbled FG hold, the lack of playoff wins, his vacation to Mexico the weekend before a playoff game against a division rival, the broken pinkie, and just the general no-shows in big games.  But you know what?  He can play.

Romo's career stats - 3 full seasons, 63.6 completion %, 10,562 yards, 81 TD, 46 INT, 94.7 QB rating.  Guess what... That's pretty damn good for a QB in his first 3 years.  There's a general belief that he's going to keep getting better, and although I don't necessarily agree (I think we've seen his ceiling - After all, he's been in the NFL 6 years and is 29 years old), it's hard to ignore his production.  The big question is... Can he ever put it together through December?

As for Kitna, yeah he makes stupid "We're gonna win 10 games" predictions and is thought of as somewhat of a joke, but he's a HUGE upgrade over Brad Johnson, and one could argue that right now he's the best backup QB in the division.

2) The RB's - Marion Barber, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice

  

Before I start praising the Cowboys' running backs, let me first say that Marion Barber is one of the most overrated players in the NFL.  He was extremely effective in 2006 and 2007 when he served as Julius Jones' backup, and had the luxury of entering the game in the second half with fresh legs against tired defenses.  He racked up 4.8 yards per carry each of those 2 years.  In 2008 Dallas let Julius Jones walk, and Barber became THE GUY.  The result... a HUGE dropoff in yards per carry... 3.7 to be exact - Not good.

OK, that said, he does have talent and with a rotation of Barber, Felix Jones, and Tashard Choice, they can do some damage.  Choice had 472 yards on 92 carries (5.1 average) and 2 TDs in his rookie season, and Felix Jones... Well, to be perfectly honest, the potential that Felix Jones possesses scares me more than any other player in our division - We saw what he did to us in Week 2 last year.  If Jones and Choice can take away a significant number of carries from Barber, it's only going to make Barber more like the player he was in 2006 and 2007, and less like the player he was in 2008.  If Dallas can build leads, this could be a tough trio of running backs to stop.

3) The TE position

 

Obviously, Witten is a player.  He's the 2nd best TE in the NFL (yes Cowboys fans, Tony Gonzalez is still better).  2007 was his best season, when he had 96 catches for 1,145 and 7 TDs.  He leveled off a little last year (81-952-4), but he is absolutely an elite player.

Martellus Bennett - Worst rapper ever (linky), but a good backup TE.  Cowboys fans LOOOOVE this guy (and I've yet to really figure out why).  In his rookie season last year, he had 20 catches for 283 yards, and 4 TDs - Good numbers for a rookie, but nothing to get carried away about either.

4) Demarcus Ware

Let's just keep this one really simple.  He's outstanding.  Let's just move on.  No wait, not yet... I'd like to thank Daniel Snyder for giving Albert Haynesworth one of the dumbest contracts in NFL history - Now I'm no genius, but I'm pretty sure Demarcus Ware likely took notice.  Cap-destroying contract on the way!

 

OK, I feel dirty after heaping praise on Romo, Kitna, Barber, Choice, Jones, Witten, and Ware... Time for the much more enjoyable part of the post...

WEAKNESSES...

1) The WRs

I've beaten this one to death already, but in case you missed the WR post, here it is.

2) The Offensive Line

Question - Who has the oldest offensive line in the NFL?

Answer - The Dallas Cowboys.  By the end of the regular season, these will be the ages of the Cowboys' starters along the O Line:

LT - Flozell Adams - 34

LG - Kyle Kosier - 31

C - Andre Gurode - 31

RG - Leonard Davis - 31

RT - Marc Colombo - 31

Ouch.  Since 2003, the Cowboys have drafted 10 offensive lineman.  None of them are starting in the NFL. Double ouch.

The Eagles have a defensive line rotation of Trent Cole, Mike Patterson, Brodrick Bunkley, Juqua Parker, Darren Howard, Trevor Laws, Chris Clemons, Bryan Smith, and Victor Abiamiri.  Meanwhile, the Giants have a rotation of Justin Tuck, Osi Umenyiora, Rocky Bernard, Chris Canty, Matthias Kiwanuka, Jay Alford, Fred Robbins, and Barry Cofield.  Both the Giants and the Eagles will employ a rotation of the above players, constantly "throwing fastballs" at the offensive line, so they can have a HUGE advantage in the 4th quarter.  This should be BY FAR the biggest concern of Cowboys fans.  How are all these 31+ year olds going to keep up with thee 2 defensive lines?  It could get REALLY ugly for Mr. Romo.

3) The Defensive Line

OK, so Leon Lett is long gone, but they could definitely use him.  So what do they have there?

Jay Ratliff - nice DT.   A little smallish for a 3-4 NT (if you consider 6'4, 304 lbs "smallish")  After that, it gets real ugly.

Marcus Spears - 4 full seasons in the NFL.  I was astounded to see how many sacks he has in his entire career.  Anyone want to guess?  OK... Ready?  5.5.  That's just flat out unacceptable.  And you know what?  I'm a little disappointed in myself for not knowing that until now.

Igor Olshansky - 5 full seasons with the Bolts, 11 sacks.  So that means that the Cowboys' 2 starting DEs average 1.37 and 2.2 sacks respectively per season.  Yikes.

Depth - OK, I'm gonna throw some names out there of the Cowboys backups along the D Line.  Raise your hand if you've heard of any of them... Marcus Dixon, Junior Siavii, Jason Hatcher, Stephen Bowen, Brandon Williams.  Anybody?  No?

 

Other concerns...

1) The other linebackers.

Spencer/Carpenter - So far in their young careers, Anthony Spencer and Bobby Carpenter have been major disappointments.  After cutting Greg Ellis, the Cowboys are handing the starting job to Spencer.  Is he ready?  Does Carpenter even make the team?

Keith Brooking - I didn't understand this signing.  You sign a slow aging LB last year (Zach Thomas) and it doesn't work out, so they try it again?  Why?

2) The secondary

Terrence Newman is a Pro Bowl caliber player, but he missed 3 games in 2007 and 6 in 2008.  He'll be 31 when the season starts.  The decline is underway.

Mike Jenkins and Orlando Scandrick - Scandrick has been a nice surprise for the Cowboys, and has played better than Jenkins so far.  They're both entering their 2nd season in the NFL - Jenkins will likely start and Scandrick will be the nickel.  That's a lot of responsibility for a couple second year guys.

Ken Hamlin - Can he tackle?

Gerald Sensabaugh - I'm not going to pretend I know anything about Sensabaugh, but it's a red flag when a team like the Jaguars lets a young guy like him walk and the rest of the league shows little interest.

3) Wade Phillips

First of all, I love this goofy bastard.  When fans of opposing teams like an opposing coach and hope he stays around, that's not a good sign.  Do the players respect Phillips?  During the offseason, Jerry Jones put a gag order on all team personnel with the media, meaning that nobody was allowed to speak to the media, except Jerry.  Why doesn't Jerry Jones just go ahead and cut off Phillips' testicles while he's at it.  Anyway, Phillips is the polar opposite of the former coach, Bill Parcells, and I think it's pretty clear that the players on this team need more of an disciplinarian like Parcells than a guy that's running a country club.

So there you have it... The 2009 Cowboys.  Don't be surprised if they're sub .500.

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another really good post man

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by Remis on Jun 11, 2009 10:50 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

Haha

Wade Phillips is such a joke

by flylikeaneagle on Jun 11, 2009 11:17 PM EDT reply actions   2 recs

I would be petrified of the Cowboy's Offense

Except Jason Garrett loves to pass the ball… Man, Garrett’s a joke. As least Wade Phillips is a good defensive coach. Jason Garrett just sucks.
Go Jason Garrett!

Moo.

by Imp on Jun 11, 2009 11:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rec'd

"What did it feel like? That collision, I ­didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs

by jalarsen1 on Jun 11, 2009 11:55 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Excellent Post

Bye, Dawk, you’ve outdone yourself.

Oh the pain you must have felt while writing the strengths section.

"Luis Zedejas, I kick field goals. Am I nervous, yeah I suppose. Win the game by hittin the mark, this game is over before it starts."
-Buddy's Watchin You

by IWantToFlyLikeAnEagle on Jun 12, 2009 12:03 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

F**king Felix Jones

the guy genuinely terrifies me…but then I remember that old-ass offensive line, and I smile…

by birds'n'raiders on Jun 12, 2009 1:41 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He runs so fast he leaves his Hamstring at the line of scrimmage.

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 12, 2009 9:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol

Fly, Eagles, Fly...

by Bob_Q on Jun 12, 2009 11:20 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Brady James

On this otherwise outstanding post (REC’D), you did forget Brady James, who is a solid inside linebacker, and could start on most teams.

by birds'n'raiders on Jun 12, 2009 1:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

James...

I didn’t find him to be either a strength or a weakness, so that’s why he didn’t get mentioned. But you’re right – I mentioned every other starter, so why not just note that he’s there? Oh well.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 6:11 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

You're gonna have to stop posting

I can’t handle these high standards now expected from posts

"Now Sav Rocca played for the Magpies in Australia. I don't know if it's a bird or a pie or what it is." Ike Reese

by The Badassador on Jun 12, 2009 2:53 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Awesome post Bye Dawk

not new to BGN, but new to actually posting on BGN. Bye Dawk, I love your posts, please keep em comin.

my question, who’s the 1 asshole that voted ‘Yes’ in the poll?

by Beast of the East on Jun 12, 2009 3:30 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Probably some Dallas Coward fan wandering their way onto our site.

"If they end up 2-14 and both of those wins came against Dallas, that's a pretty good year."

by midnitegreen on Jun 12, 2009 8:28 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

JIBTA...Evil Banner

damn those bastards for voting yes

To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her

by XxBleedGreen5xX on Jun 12, 2009 7:46 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They are the same person

with multiple accounts.
They never come around at the same time. Ever.

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 12, 2009 9:24 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

MPD

Multiple Personality Disorder
Same brain, Different sects.
I bet he goes into a seizure every once in a while and wakes up and logs in as one of his personalities.

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 12, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

The fact the writing styles are polar opposites makes it more likely. EvilBanner always tries to be an intellectual, and JIBTA uses the least amount of grammar possible without getting attacked by everyone (he does for his opinion, but they let his writing alone)

by FredEx on Jun 12, 2009 3:24 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Notice how every time the mention of him being the same person comes up, neither is anywhere to be found?? You would think one of them would say something in their defense. That is of course if it is two different people. Rather strange….

by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Jun 12, 2009 8:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Kieth Brooking is good I thought?

Great post, no question we are going to own them with our speed this year, but I would consider Brooking a nice upgrade to ZT.

by #12 on Jun 12, 2009 8:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

He used to be...

The Falcons’ defense was 25th (I think) in run defense last year, and it’s unfair to put that completely on Brooking, but it is worth noting. He’ll be 34 in October, and is definitely slowing down (and never was known for having speed in the first place.

In Atlanta’s playoff game against the Cardinals, the Cardinals were attacking his zone in the passing game all day, and he got abused. The Cardinals felt so comfortable attacking Brooking, that with a 30-24 lead with 2:17 left in the 4th quarter on 3rd and 16 and the Falcons left with no timeouts (an obvious running scenario in which you’d bring it down to the 2 minute warning rather than risk a sack/fumble or interception on a long down and distance), the Cardinals instead chose to attack Brooking and hit former Eagle Stephen Spach down the seam over Brooking for a 23 yards game-ender.

I’m extremely pumped to watch Brooking try to cover Westbrook, McCoy, Celek, Ingram, and Co.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 9:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seriously

What LB can cover Westbrook? I’ll admit, Pierce wouldn’t even be able to cover Westbrook now, after his surgery! lol

BTW, nice post and as Whodie said…

I can’t wait to read your right up on the Giants.

Be nice! I already know 2 of their weaknesses your going to point out. Garbage WR’s and Pierce! lol

by Hootman on Jun 12, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup...

The WRs will be on there, but I’m not sure I can talk myself into crowbaring Pierce in as a weakness. The Giants are gonna be really tough to find weaknesses, but I’ll find some.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

*cough*

safety

(just a hint)

About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.

by IronHank on Jun 12, 2009 11:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

More of a question mark. Kenny Phillips could turn out to be pretty good. They also have that other guy, um, who the fuck is their other safety? I guess the Giants are getting rid of the position, lol.

http://www.giants.com/team/depth_chart.html

No SS listed on the depth chart.

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jun 13, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jeepers, they need to update that site
I guess the Giants are getting rid of the position, lol.

No SS listed on the depth chart.

Lol, well that would definitely be a glaring weakness! To answer your question, it would be C.C Brown, from the Texans!

by Hootman on Jun 13, 2009 11:34 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post bud
one could argue that right now he’s the best backup QB in the division.

You could argue this but I’d vote for David Carr with the Giants running game David Carr could be really dangerous.

the Cowboys’ 2 starting DEs average 1.37 and 2.2 sacks respectively per season

Just to be fair in a 3-4 it’s the OLBs job to get sacks so the low sack numbers for the Cowboys DEs isn’t really that big of a deal.

The Cowboys are very interesting to me this year because they seem to have some very bright spots but also some glaring issues. This year could consist of many different scenarios for them.

I can’t wait to read your right up on the Giants.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 12, 2009 10:27 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

/cobb’d right = write …. I was painting in a not so well ventilated area this morning so I’m slightly stoned.

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"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 12, 2009 10:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I knew the 3-4 DE argument was coming...

…although I was betting on Regaberto.

But you’re absolutely right – DE is definitely a totally different position in the 3-4 than it is in the 4-3. However, 1.37 and 2.2 is still really, really low (I mean… even really low for a DT), and it’s comforting to know that those 2 guys are pretty much non-factors in the pass rushing game.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Richard Seymour is the only true pass rushing 3-4 DE

And the guy averages a little above 4 sacks per in the past 5 years…

He’s such a pass rusher!

Another example of a decent 3-4 DE pass rusher is Aaron Smith, and he also averages a little above 4 sacks per year…

He’s such a pass rusher!

What about Luis Castillo? Nearly 3 sacks…

He’s such a pass rusher!

What about comparing a 3-4 DE and a DT? Priceless! I mean… Even really low for a DT…

An interesting thought is how did our team managed to lead the League in sacks when they have such worthless DEs? They have to do some right things to help the guys around them, right? But I guess that’s me and I’m such an illogical person…

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 12, 2009 11:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, and another thing

Averages of Patterson and Bunkley? Try a little above 2 and less than 2… I mean… Even really low for a DT… Oh, wait, they’re DTs…

I’m scared.

But let’s add Darren Howard 5 year average, in the end he has 2 years of double digit sacks… Nearly 6 sacks per.

I guess that interior pass rush isn’t a strength in both teams…

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 12, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hahahahaha...

I love it!

Averages of Patterson and Bunkley? Try a little above 2 and less than 2… I mean… Even really low for a DT… Oh, wait, they’re DTs…

On Patterson and Bunkley, I absolutely agree – They need to get to the passer more often, and I’ve said as much a number of times on other posts here. However, their situation is much different than Spears and Olshansky. They’re outstanding run stuffers – Patterson and Bunkley come out of the game on passing downs, Spears doesn’t (and I’m guessing Olshansky stayed in too, although I don’t know).

But let’s add Darren Howard 5 year average, in the end he has 2 years of double digit sacks… Nearly 6 sacks per.

Ha, you’re reaching, brother. Howard was a longshot to MAKE THE TEAM last year, but he had a great camp and became a really nice contributor. He had 10 sacks last year. Ten. 10. And he’s the player you point to as a guy that can’t rush the passer? If I were a teacher and you handed that trash in, it would be marked “Re-do. See me after class.”

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Did you saw this past?
But let’s add Darren Howard 5 year average

In 5 years he has 2 years double digit sacks that give hot air to his average. Are you expecting a repeat of his 2 best years?

What’s the name of that? True expectations, hope or blind homerism?

In the end, you gave me a nice response:

Howard was a longshot to MAKE THE TEAM last year.

Expectations are interesting.

That’s what I mark as: "Re-do. See me after class."

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 12, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Honestly...

I just read that entire post 3 times… and I want to argue, but I have absolutely no clue at all what you’re trying to say.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 2:37 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What are you expecting from Howard?

A repeat of this past season performance? Isn’t that an unreal expectation considering his past 5 years? That’s what I was trying to mean.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 12, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OK, fine...

But where did you read that I was expecting Howard to post the same stats as last year? If he gets HALF the sacks he got last year in a limited role, I’ll be thrilled. Didn’t you bring up Howard? I’m not understanding how Howard even entered this conversation.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol i was about to argue the 3-4 de thing to then i saw it lol....

But to be Fair the DE in a 3-4 is just supposed to plug up holes and try and get double teams so LB’s can blitz…. any sacks they get are a luxury…. this is a nice post though all the glaring needs you mentioned arent made up this time there actually legitimate worries. i think our season will be just like your guys season… If our team can stay healthy like yours we could make a big run.

by regaberto on Jun 12, 2009 3:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

This comment made me bring Philly's DTs:
DE is definitely a totally different position in the 3-4 than it is in the 4-3. However, 1.37 and 2.2 is still really, really low (I mean… even really low for a DT).

That’s you comparing 3-4 DEs and DTs, a really poor comparison considering the 3-4 DE that I mentioned and their stats. The 3-4 DEs are like the ugly girls that no one wants to take out for a dance, they’re just stat poor.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 12, 2009 7:40 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hooray!!!

Our first Cowboy fan!!! Chandus, my brother, lots of truth in this post, isn’t there?

An interesting thought is how did our team managed to lead the League in sacks when they have such worthless DEs?

I do believe I called Demarcus Ware an outstanding player. He had 20 of those sacks. Greg Ellis had 8, and he’s gone. I look at this defense, and I see 2 players that have proven they can get to the QB at this level… Ware and Ratliff (who I also acknowledged). That’s it. Maybe I’m missing one… Please correct me if I forgot one.

But I guess that’s me and I’m such an illogical person…

Agreed.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 11:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I love....

when you stir shit….

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 12, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Haha...

Gotta kill time at work somehow.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions   2 recs

Yup. Covered that a little further down. (Hanging head in shame) Somehow I missed that one.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 3:57 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Lol
Our first Cowboy fan!!!

What took them so long?

by Hootman on Jun 12, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Too bad it wasn't a shutout!

Close enough i suppose. I wish every Cowboys vs. whoever game, would have that same result! lol

by Hootman on Jun 13, 2009 11:42 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, I see...
I do believe I called Demarcus Ware an outstanding player. He had 20 of those sacks. Greg Ellis had 8, and he’s gone. I look at this defense, and I see 2 players that have proven they can get to the QB at this level… Ware and Ratliff (who I also acknowledged).

James Harrison and LaMarr Woodley combined counted for 27.5 of their team sacks and they did so by themselves, right? The guys around them couldn’t get more sacks because they suck, right?

I guess that someone doesn’t understand the workings of the 3-4 and how a DE will take a double team of Tackle and Guard to leave the OLB in a mismatch with a TE or RB… I’ve seen such a thing many times…

Maybe I’m missing one… Please correct me if I forgot one.

Bradie James collected 8 sacks from his ILB position, he led every ILB and MLB.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 12, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I guess that someone doesn’t understand the workings of the 3-4 and how a DE will take a double team of Tackle and Guard to leave the OLB in a mismatch with a TE or RB…

C’mon dude… Who the hell is double teaming Igor Olshansky or Marcus Spears?

Bradie James collected 8 sacks from his ILB position, he led every ILB and MLB.

Shit. Got me there. Somehow I missed that one. Oops.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ok, then tell me how...

… Ware, Ellis and company have drawn a single TE, FB or RB as the assignment that is supposed to stop them?

I’ve seen that kind of thing many times, even last year with Ware racking up as many sacks. The Phillips 3-4 as a one gap scheme means that the NT will attack the gap between the shoulders of the Center and one of the Guards, with the DEs attacking the gaps between the Guards and Tackles. One of the 3 guys will be double teamed, and most times that guy was Ratliff, but Spears and Canty saw their fair share of doubles.

And that’s how Ware and Ellis saw little or no competition on their way to the QB in some of their sacks.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 12, 2009 7:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I’m not sure what teams are leaving their RBs to try to block Ware by themselves, but if they are they don’t belong coaching in the NFL.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 7:56 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

It's all by design

3-4 DL do nothing more than occupy blockers. Coincidentally, if you look at the LB’s from 3-4 teams, they rack up alot of sacks, production! Actually, 3-4 LB’s lead “all” LB’s overall in sacks. Whereas 4-3 DE’s lead in the majority of “all” DE’s. Now, to spin it another way, the majority, if not all MLB’s from 4-3 D’s will lead in tackles, hence the two big fatties occupying blockers, like the 3-4 DE’s for their LB’s. That’s what Bunkley and Patterson do for Bradley, who had a healthy dose of tackles!

There is an unmeasurable intangible that some cannot seem to grasp. Across the board, 3-4 DE’s generally put up similar numbers to a degree. Not only that, they’re physically similar too. But in reality, i really do not understand then, why Cowboys fans soured on Canty? (Not to sabotage this fanpost!) When in fact, his numbers were on par with other 3-4 DE’s, if not better than Spears! As a Giants fan, i’m more than happy to plop his (Canty’s) butt in the middle of our 4-3. If he play’s the part of a 3-4 DE, then he’ll make other’s around him better!

It’s fine and dandy that the Cowboys found an economical replacement for Canty (in Olshansky) but don’t be suprised if his production is the same though. What Olshansky did in S.D. for (Merriman and Phillips) two years ago, he’ll now do it for Ware and James, and to mention what Canty also did for the recently released Greg Ellis!

Living in a world of individual merits (statistics) does not translate to team success. Chemistry and the untangibles go a long way though. So after throwing Canty under the bus, it appears that the Cowboys are in search of the next great 3-4 DE (like Bruce Smith, Buf. a rarity) and it’s only a matter of time when Spears will be like Canty, shown the door!!!

by Hootman on Jun 12, 2009 2:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

As a Cowboys fan

I don’t think we soured on Canty as I for one hoped he would live up to his potential. But he didn’t, though he did put up more sacks than Spears (although I believe some of that was due to him playing next to Ware where he didn’t get as much attention.) I just don’t get why Canty thought he was worth that kind of money. We picked up Olshansky, who has essentially the same stats and is a remarkably similar player to Canty, for a lot less money.

"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber

by DC_fan on Jun 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What potential was expected?

Afterall, he was drafted in the 4th, vs. Spears the 20th overall of the same draft. What has Spears done that Canty hasn’t?

Spears: Games played, 64 Sacks, 5.5 Tackles, 192
Canty: Games played, 64, Sacks, 10 Tackles, 194

So, if Canty was playing on Ware’s side, how would Ware get his gaudy sack totals? I’m sure Ware wouldn’t get those sacks with constant double teams? I’m thinking Ware’s sacks came at the expense of Canty, on occasion! Also, if Spears is on the opposite of Ware, what excuse would he have, given his output? Statistically, Canty has done every bit of what Spears has done.

For Canty’s payday? Considering his versatility and FA’s (DE/DT) available, it’s what the market yielded. Plus, you have to factor in the agent too. Compared to Haynesworth’s deal, Canty’s is pocket change!

by Hootman on Jun 13, 2009 11:08 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Canty's potential

Canty was a consensus 1st round pick until the barfight where his eye was cut up pretty bad, which dropped him into the 4th rd. To me, that means he’s got a lot of potential.

As far as playing next to Ware, I guess it could go either way, but I think it helped him more than hurt him because that entire half of the O-line is worried about Ware, not Canty.

Now, would I rather have Spears right now or Canty? I would prefer Canty, but not at the rate that the Giants paid for him. Spears is just as good of a tackler and I think the other 6 guys in the front 7 will be able to cover the extra 2 sacks per season that we will be missing from Canty.

"So you can’t stiff arm at all? What about the throat?"- Marion "Barbarian" Barber

by DC_fan on Jun 15, 2009 9:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

He was far from a consensus #1.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 9:45 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Far from it

Just out of curiosity, i was able to find a predraft ranking (top 200) and their scouting reports.

(hopefully the link works, it’s my first time trying to link on SB Nation)

In the rankings, it had Spears at 15th and Canty at 93rd. Let’s assume, Canty’s ranking could’ve been a bit better, but he did have a few other injuries (throughout his college career) besides the eye incident. In the report, it actually suggested a late round consideration, rather than at the least, early. Whereas they were comparing Spears to Richard Seymour. That’s not happening realistically. lol

Not to nitpick this too much more. If Jerry Jones would have brought Canty back, it may not have been, AS, much what the Giants gave him, but close, presumably? When Haynesworth signed his goofy contract, that set the tone for the remaining DL, preferrably the DT’s (where Canty will be).

by Hootman on Jun 16, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Canty has a tendency to lose lane disipline allowing some big gashes for RBs.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 16, 2009 5:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Let’s add this to “things I never would have said last year” pile.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 7:35 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No its been said and pointed out.

I liked him and would have wanted him back for the right price but he has his flaws too.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 17, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, as soon as I clicked post on that yesterday I realized “Oops, that was squidlo.” Sorry squidlo.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 17, 2009 4:02 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No problem, I enjoy your insights and a little give and take.

I come here regularly now to read your posts.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 19, 2009 10:50 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

what?
You could argue this but I’d vote for David Carr with the Giants running game David Carr could be really dangerous

Are you serious? I’ll take kolb, feeley, brennon or kitna over carr. Wen he played for carolina and delhomme went down. Do you kno who ended up replacing carr? Vinny Testaverde. So i say Carr is actually the worst back up. Carolina is a running team too and he didnt make it in that system.

by birdsflyinhigh2590 on Jun 12, 2009 3:01 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree...

For Carr, it comes down to one simple thing for me… 64 TDs, 70 INTs. I’m among those that don’t think extremely highly of Eli, but in this case if he gets hurt, they’re in BIG, BIG trouble… like, Brad Johnson trouble.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 12, 2009 3:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

meh, David Carr gets a bad rap. Kitna and Carr completion percentage 59.8 and 59.7 respectively.

Kitna 152 TDs, 151 INTs, Carr as you mentioned 64 TDs and 70 INTs. Kitnas passer rating 76.6 Carr 74.9.

Let’s also remember that David Carr had Andre Johnson (best WR in the NFL btw) but that’s really it. He didn’t have much of a rushing game he’s had two 1,000 yard rusher and not much help elsewhere.

John Kitna had Sean Dawkins at the end of his career and Ricky Watters in Seattle. Corey Dillon, Chad Ocho Cinco, TJ Whosyomamma in Cincy, and then he played for the Detroit Receivers. Kitna is good I’m just saying I’d argue for Carr, also 36 vs 29 has me leaning towards Carr also.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 12, 2009 3:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I literally laughed my ass of when I read this.
It’s in my brief case so I can take it home and put it back on later.

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 12, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

so you disagree with my Carr assessment? Whilst I agree it is a little belief over reason it is not extremely unacceptable of a thought.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 14, 2009 2:59 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Carr also never had an offensive line

he looked really good last year in preseason and in the last game of the season sitting behind a legit NFL O-line

by cjmulrain on Jun 14, 2009 3:20 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

awesome!!!

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jun 12, 2009 11:16 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

O line

I think I understand O lines the least of all out of all football stuff, which is too bad because I think it is probably the most important part of a football team.

As far as stuff like protection and pushes (for runs and such) go, how did the Cowboys O line do last year? I dont really ever watch much of their games, so I dont know. For protection, the sack hurry and other stats are helpful, and I geuss runs per down is also helpful for the running stuff, but it can misleading as lots of other factors are in play, ie like WRs not getting open can hurt the pass protection stats, having Romo out can do the same, and just in general the passing game will effect the running game a lot.

Anyone want to give a run down of how the Cowboys O line did as far as pass protection goes, and also as far as run blocking goes?

My guess is that if the run blocking wasnt that great last year, it will go down a bit as that seems to be the first thing to go with age, whereas pass protection is a lot of technique and brains and such so the O line might not be effected much by age.

For me, it seems the Cowboys biggest weakness, or at least Question Mark is how the WRs and O line work together. If the O line cant get a decent push for running, and the WRs cant get open, or allow for 8 in the box style defenses, the Cowboys could be in big trouble, even with their 3 decent running backs.

If the O line can give good pass protection, and the Cowboys can get a good passing game going, then I dont think the age of the O line will be that big a deal.

by Whack8888 on Jun 12, 2009 2:59 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Oh man I just love Flozell Adams. He actually makes it into the Pro Bowl while being one of the worst lineman in the East. This team really has no shot this year (not like they really had one for a while now, even though the “experts” like Kornheiser always picks them to win the SB). They have a few good areas, but when I look at the whole picture it doesn’t scare me at all. Next please…

I'm not ready to move on from #20.

by LeonSA on Jun 12, 2009 5:24 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Next please.....................

Do you believe the Eagles scare anybody…….???? Caz last time i looked the Eagles are in the same boat as every other Team in the NFC….. What makes you guys so good…. Jason Peters??? Ya right……….. keep dreaming buddy.

by regaberto on Jun 12, 2009 9:11 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Actually...

Our QB’s don’t cry, and we’re not questionable in the playoffs or in crunch time (Cowboys), our wide receivers aren’t shot (Giants), and we’re not soul searching for our next QB. Or coach. Or NFL team. (Redskins).

Stereotypes and jokes aside, no team in the NFC East is in “the same boat” as each other. The Eagles are being pressured to go far this year, more so than any other team. We’re also getting younger, which is a big challenge. The Redskins are trying to find their identity, with the signing of Haynesworth and hints at some QB changes at the helm. The Giants are having wide receiver issues. And the Cowboys are losing momentum in opinionated polls and projected finishes for the 09 season. Will their newfound ability to not come through in December affect their play this year?

Do the Eagles scare anybody? Apparently so, since Cowboys fans are up at arms whenever we mention any good player we’ve added to the team, like Peters. You don’t see us shoving down your throats about the acquisitions of…Brooking? Those rookies you drafted? And we’re not saying that your star players are bad. You’re the one that seems the most concerned about who we’ve gotten, that’s for sure.

"Each guy in here has to look in the mirror and ask themselves: " - Brian Dawkins

by TheRealMcCoy on Jun 12, 2009 10:09 PM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

No jokes aside

Every team in the NFC East is in the same boat……………… were all doing the exact same thing working for the exact same trophey….. (the Lombardi) YOUR QB PUKES WHEN ITS CRUNCH TIME… so dont play that card caz you will LOSE….. Were getting younger to…….. weve achieved this in every aspect except OL which im sure is the next thing going to happen… .. Im not worried about WHO YOU SIGNED…… but i dam sure know that signing 2 Offensive lineman isnt going to win you a Superbowl…. I know for dam sure that Desean Jackson still has alot to prove and isnt the next Rice like you all believe…

by regaberto on Jun 12, 2009 10:16 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOUR QB PUKES WHEN ITS CRUNCH TIME

yah? well at least he doesn’t…drop the ball in the big games (pun intended)

by eagleyosh on Jun 13, 2009 12:22 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

but i dam sure know that signing 2 Offensive lineman isnt going to win you a Superbowl

You know this to be fact? please show me where this fact is written in stone.

WTF is caz? I can’t take you seriously with that in every single one of your posts, please take the extra second and add some more vowels, maybe a consonant or two.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 13, 2009 12:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

At least....

Our QB can get to crunch time.

Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI

by Route36 on Jun 13, 2009 2:55 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

YOUR QB PUKES

why yes … yes he did … our qb puked … or maybe you have never pushed yourself to the point of physical exhaustion where you have before … and at least ours doesnt cry … on the fuckin field … ha

"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh

If Football Had A Church , Brian Dawkins Would Be My Preacher. -NPK

by NorthPhillyKid on Jun 17, 2009 10:25 AM EDT up reply actions   1 recs

Mcnabb puked because of the heat, get over it. It’s not like the pressure got to him, and he’s gone to 5 NFC championships, was there no pressure in any of the playoff games before those games? So apparently he has performed in crunch time, just not in the ONE crunch time that you seem to harp on.

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 17, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

flozell adams was injured all year last year...

he had to stick it out because we have no depth at LT

by CowboysFan4Life on Jun 14, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ahhhh

“False Start” Flozell Adams 24 years old and not getting any younger.

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 17, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Damnit! 34

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 17, 2009 10:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah

i agree… really hoping he can hold it together for at least another year, which isn’t uncommon for older o linemen… really need to go o line in the draft next year, specifically left tackle left guard

by CowboysFan4Life on Jun 17, 2009 1:09 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe crazy jerry will trade all your picks again

and continue to not draft the oline til the whole line is as old as he is

by eagleyosh on Jun 17, 2009 7:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

why can’t cowboys fans admit the weaknesses of their team? I think Bye Dawk actually did a good breakdown of strengths and weaknesses. I haven’t read one comment from a cowboys fan that says “oh, that is a weakness, you’re right” (i apologize if i missed it), but I have read tons where you argue that your mediocre players are just as good as our all pros. It makes you all seem kind of ridiculous. I mean, us eagles fans get a bad rap for booing our players, but at least we don’t make excuses for them when they suck. It’s ok to say one of your positions is weak. I personally think that RB for the eagles is somewhat weak right now, or at the very least questionable (we don’t know what McCoy can do or westy’s response to surgery) and if someone says that, I’m not going to argue with them. So why can’t you guys just accept your team isn’t perfect…he said what were legitimate strengths and what appear to be legitimate weaknesses. Why are you getting so offended?

by eagleyosh on Jun 13, 2009 12:29 AM EDT reply actions   1 recs

agreed … here’s another one … I love Demps and think he will be great. That said FS is a weakness because Dawkins won’t be back there and Demps has yet to prove himself.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 13, 2009 12:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Because really, every team has warts, but it's the fans of the actual team that know better

For example, we can talk about Jason Peters.

A lot of guys are pimping him as the best OT in the League, but is he really? He played at a great level in pass protection in 2007, but he was bellow average run blocking, you can look at that in Football Outsiders numbers. And then he played at a great level run blocking in 2008, but was abysmal in pass protection.

He hasn’t been able to do well on both of his 2 really good years.

We can also talk about your team DLine and how it’s pass rush isn’t that scary.

We can talk about the hands of your team receivers, from Jackson to Brown.

We can talk about FS.

We can talk about the LBs.

We can talk about the right side of your team OLine and how both Andrews are question marks, the older one because of injury and the other because of his head…

But you guys know that there’s potential, just like we know that there’s potential in our team and we believe in it.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 13, 2009 1:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you can't argue a weakness

solely off of hopeful potential. We aren’t the only ones praising peters. He is regarded as one of the best o-lineman in the league by virtually anyone who knows about the sport. I’m not going to say that i’ve studied him closely because most of what i know i read and watched since acquiring him… Which is probably the same as you, you just chose to not believe the experts because he plays for the eagles now. That’s fine… it’s how you guys work.

But a couple of those aforementioned weaknesses of ours are big stretches and not even worth arguing. Sorry but I don’t think that our D-Line not being “scary” enough in your opinion is a real problem for us (though our pass rush is consistently one of the highest regarded in the league). O-Line? we’re fine. Djax’s hands? really? But you missed a couple weaknesses too… like our RB situation. And our defensive coordinator issue.

But wait those aren’t weaknesses because there is potential there….. right?

Eagles.

by #1EaglesFan on Jun 13, 2009 4:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I trust the Eagles FO

Over a Cowboys perspective. They probably watched 100x more film on him than you did. If there’s one position they know very well it’s O-lineman. Peters will be great.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Jun 13, 2009 11:37 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Winston Justice says hi!

He was a stud that your team stealed, right?

Or at least that was the story back then…

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 14, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, Justice was a bust...

No doubt there. I guess you win that round. But wait… Before I go cry myself to sleep about one miss among an otherwise overwhelming number of successful O Line draft picks or free agents, tell me this…

Since 2003, how many O linemen has Dallas drafted? 10? How many of them are currently starting in the NFL? None?

Beat it.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 14, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But, saying that Reid is a great talent evaluator is a bit funny

He nailed it on Shawn Andrews, he’s been a beast, but he was a sure thing, our team wanted him and your team traded up and took him right in their nose.

And other than that, he acquired in FA both supposed starters at T and took his time developing the other 2 starters at G and C, Herremans was a very average starter until this past year and Jackson development took 3 and a half years and played because Fraley sucked.

He gets some points for being patient.

Just like Dallas should be, the veterans are Holland (7th year, 29 years) and Procter (5th year, 27) and we can’t tell if they will develop and if you do, that’s hope doing the talking.

- Peters? Project, took him 4 years to be a really good Tackle.
- Herremans? Starter since his rookie year, very average starter until this past year, his 4th.
- Jackson? His development took 3 years.
- Andrews2? Inmediate Pro Bowl level starter.
- Andrews1? His development took 3 years.

Dallas doesn’t have a decent backup? Maybe, but I wouldn’t bet on it.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 14, 2009 11:47 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you admit they did develop. That’s the key. Not a lot of a rookies are going to provide immediate impace. The idea is to get guys who in a 2-3 years will be very solid starters. In 10 years Dallas hasn’t drafted anyone who went on the start in the NFL, that should be concerning.

However I do agree, that because time and opportunity is required to be good, Dallas may end up having a decent back up or two, but I wouldn’t want to bet that it works out for them.

by FredEx on Jun 15, 2009 2:23 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

- Herremans? Starter since his rookie year, very average starter until this past year, his 4th.

This is a joke, you may not have heard of him until this year but he has been better than average since his rookie year. IMO a lot of the reason Tra has been so successful for so long.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 15, 2009 8:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed...

Just because he was drafted out of Saginaw Valley State (and not a college like Texas or Oklahoma) doesn’t mean jack at this level. If I weren’t an Eagle fan and lived out West, I highly doubt I’d know anything about Todd Herremans either… I mean, it’s not like he’s on the front page of USA Today. Just because this clown heard John Madden rave about him for a minute or 2 during a Cowboys game, doesn’t mean it was his first good season.

And furthermore, unless you REALLY know something about offensive line play… and there’s an extremely low, low, low percentage of fans out there that really do… just shut your mouth on the subject. It’s embarrassing.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 15, 2009 9:10 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Oh, so he was already a great OLineman...

In his first 3 years he allowed nearly 13 sacks (he only played 4 games in his rookie year and allowed 2), which is pretty high for a Guard…

He’s been on 1 good year on runs to his side in 2007 with his team ranking 1st in LT carries and outside of that year he’s been very average or bad…

2008 – 30th.
2006 – 19th.

Now, your team has also had good rankings in mid-guard carries, but considering the great numbers on RT carries and the RG on your team, those numbers shouldn’t tell us much on how Herremans has played, so LT carries are the best numbers in order to give us an idea on how he has played.

And those are very average numbers, both in pass protection and run blocking.

Viva México! Go Cowboys!

by Chandus on Jun 15, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

(he only played 4 games in his rookie year and allowed 2), which is pretty high for a Guard…

The four games he played in his rookie year were at LT actually when Thomas went down so please do some reading before you start throwing things around you don’t know about.

It’s tough to judge OL you can’t really judge solely based on sacks because that stat is somewhat subjective.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 15, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have drafted 1 lineman before the 3rd round in the last 10 years. most have come from day 2 of the draft.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 16, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Indifference to the position, or bad drafting...

Either way, the end result is an old line with no depth and serious trouble for the future of the team and the health of the QB.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 16, 2009 7:36 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Both! If they bottom out during the coming season if not we will retool next off season.

We have Ware contract to deal with this year so our hands are a littled tied up this year. Of course Ware could tie us up with that assine contract Haynesworth signed.

I predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the goverment from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them.

by squidlo97 on Jun 17, 2009 3:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We can also talk about your team DLine and how it’s pass rush isn’t that scary.

48 sacks last year 34.5 of which came from the D-Line … that’s a pretty scary pass rush considering our D-Line alone out-sacked 22 out of 32 teams. Not to mention we had to most sacks of any team running a 4-3.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 13, 2009 12:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We have absolutely no reason not to trust Reid’s evaluation of Peters. If Reid traded two picks and gave the man $60M, you have to believe he can play.

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jun 13, 2009 1:10 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Sometimes the truth can be painful to hear.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 13, 2009 8:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Bye dawk did a good job and managed to keep his homeristic opinions to a minimum.

But saying that a team has no chance of going .500 is a slap in the nuts to most fans. I know if i put a post up at BTB about how sad the eagles are and that their QB pukes all overhimself and gives up at the end of big games, bye dawk would be the first to talk shit. He’s always at our site for some reason. there’s plenty of holes in our team now. So fucking what. It’s not going to stop the fans from watching. I look forward to the 2 eagle/cowboy games this year. They always seem to be the best(minus last years b.s. last game). But, you do have to admit, that MNF game was one of the best.

by mutombo4life on Jun 13, 2009 11:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I didn’t say they have no chance of going .500. I just said I wouldn’t be surprised if it happens.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 13, 2009 11:19 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

just to be honest

Noone that is a true cowboy fan likes coach cupcake. We all long for the days of JJ. He was DYNOMITE!

by mutombo4life on Jun 13, 2009 11:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But you have to admit

If you had your choice between landry, J.J., or Phillips, who would you pick? I would take Coach Chucky before Phillips. Hell, I’d take Bum first. I grew up in Texas watching and playing Texas football, and Wade doesn’t know Texas ball. I hope he proves me wrong, though

by mutombo4life on Jun 15, 2009 2:32 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

of course i would rather have landry or jj

we’re talking about super bowl winning coaches here…

but we don’t have that option… i don’t know that i would take chucky over wade, wade is a great defensive coach…. i’d much rather him be our d coordinator but i really don’t mind him as a head coach as long as jason garrett picks up the slack this year for our offense

by CowboysFan4Life on Jun 17, 2009 1:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That MNF game was the absolute shit. Best regular season game (barring playoff implications) ever.

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jun 13, 2009 11:52 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I can see the Cowboys winning 12 games if:

1) The Eagles or Giants stumble hard.
2) Jason Garrett gets his head of his ass and uses his RBs and Witten ahead of Roy Williams.
3) Their defense is better than advertised. Sure, they can rack up the sacks, but if they can’t get to the QB, their coverage has holes in it that can be picked apart. Their run stopping is above average but not stellar.

The problem is, I don’t see the Eagles or Giants stumbling hard, so I don’t see the Cowboys making the playoffs unless they lock up the second wildcard spot. I see the Eagles and Giants going neck and neck for the division and the other getting the first wildcard.

It’s entirely possible for them to do better than this, but I think the Cowboys finish up with 8 wins.

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jun 13, 2009 10:56 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Nit picking

First, I wouldn’t list our secondary as a real weakness… At least not any more.

#1: Scandrick and Jenkins have played well and are a nice upgrade over Henry and whoever was in the rotation at the time. Based on last year’s play the two are talented.

  1. Sensei may not seem like a big deal, but to a team that has been dealing with ole ‘thong’ Williams for the past few years he is a god-send.

Second… I would not say the defensive line is all that bad either.

  1. Both Spears and Olshanski are fairly good in run support. Canty played quite well in spurts but I think Olshanski’s ability to move people will set up Ware for more sacks.
  2. Additionally Hatcher has played well in limited minutes.

I am not sure Brooking is a bad signing. Zach had playing weight issues. He was simply too light to take on guards without having the wear and tear he experienced last year. Brooking is a bit heavier and seems to take more of a leadership role. We are relying on Carpenter or Spencer to step it up though. That left outside linebacker slot could prove a problem.

I do think you hit the nail on the head with the offensive line. They are old and underperformed last season. At the same time, offensive line seems to be a position with longevity and they did play very well the year before.

McGruber!

by Mojoness on Jun 13, 2009 12:46 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I also

disagree with your assessment of Roy…

But overall nice write up… For an Iggle

McGruber!

by Mojoness on Jun 13, 2009 12:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well written and nicely done.

An honest evaluation. Rec’d.

RAK EM UP!

by VA_Skin on Jun 16, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Very nice job dawk.

I know if i put a post up at BTB about how sad the eagles are and that their QB pukes all overhimself and gives up at the end of big games


Um.. how long ago was that? If that is the only weakness you can find with our steller team, I feel even better going into this season. Get ready to be dominated AGAIN, like last year. I would almost rather the cowboys make the playoffs, so they can lose in the first round. I don’t think there is anything in the world that makes me laugh harder.

by Qu1nTeR on Jun 17, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

HUH?

Mr. Qu1nTeR, what you’ve just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 18, 2009 9:57 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

So you see the puppy was like industry in that they were both lost in the woods. And nobody, especially the little boy… “society”… knew where to find him. Except that the puppy was a dog, but the industry, my friends… that… was a revolution.

Knibb High football rules!!!

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 10:09 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

That lil boy’s gotta be thinking, you got a dog, you got responsibility….You dont look for an hour and call it quits. You get up off your ass and you find that FUCKING DOG!

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 18, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, “sorry” doesn’t put the Triscuit crackers in my stomach now, does it Carl?

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 10:26 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Boy I’m glad I called THAT guy.

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 18, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Ohh! The “C” is silent.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 10:44 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No I will not make out with you. Did ya hear that? this girl wants to make out with me in the middle of class. You got Chlorophyll Man up there talking about God knows what and all she can talk about is making out with me. I’m here to learn, everybody, not to make out with you. Go on with the chlorophyll.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 10:47 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

No milk will ever be “our” milk…

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 18, 2009 12:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Um, yea I shouldnt use block quotes

by Qu1nTeR on Jun 17, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

How is

Jerry Jones not on the list of weaknesses?

by travisjh86 on Jun 18, 2009 11:01 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Sorry... and agreed...

He’s just as bad as Snider. A 1, a 3, a 6, and $45 mil for Roy Williams is just flat out gross.

I wonder what their team looks like this year had they not made that trade… I bet Owens is still there, maybe they take a guy like Percy Harvin, Hakeem Nicks, Michael Oher, or Peria Jerry in the first round, and maybe they use that extra 3 and 6 with some of the other 30 draft picks they had to move up and grab another first rounder, and I guarantee the Cowboys fans are chirping that the division is theirs.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 18, 2009 11:12 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Jerry's pretty bad but Snyder is worse for sure

i mean who could be so dumb to pay haynesworth’s fatass $100 million? As one who roots for the Cowboys, I hope Jerry doesn’t pay Ware $100+ million. No one, except one of the best qb’s in the league (i.e. Brady, Peyton Manning, + (to give credit where credit is due IMO) McNabb), deserves to get paid that kind of money

by Burt88 on Jul 5, 2009 7:17 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Nice post from an Eagles fan

seriously. Good stuff man.

However, it looks as if all you do is look up numbers & statistics & post em for the Eagles fans to see.

How about the fact that Westbrook cant stay healthy if his life depended on it.

McNabb is also very injury prone
.
You just lost your heart & soul of that defense

Your best WR is 170 lbs soaking wet

Eagles probably have The WORST backup QB situation in our division

Say want you want about Roy, You just gave up a first rounder for an offensive lineman that gave up 10, YES 10 sacks for Buffalo just a season ago.

YES, Jason Witten is the best TE in the league

Felix would scare me too

"Hit or get hit" MB3

by Ca$h on Jun 18, 2009 5:36 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

You just lost your heart & soul of that defense

I think fans of other teams are hoping this will be a bigger impact than it really will be.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Okay I didn't really all of this before I posted my first comment
How about the fact that Westbrook cant stay healthy if his life depended on it.

Still performs though … amiright?

McNabb is also very injury prone

and repeat … amiright?

Your best WR is 170 lbs soaking wet

How does this matter? I think he proved it doesn’t. People need to get over this size thing the two best rookie WRs were also two of the smallest.
Eagles probably have The WORST backup QB situation in our division

Really? it’s worse than Geriatric Todd Collins and Never Played a Game Colt Brennan? Jon Kitna is going to be 37 I’m not sure I have much confidence in him if you want to talk about injury prone … and Stephen McGee? So probable yes, likely NO!

Say want you want about Roy, You just gave up a first rounder for an offensive lineman that gave up 10, YES 10 sacks for Buffalo just a season ago.

Yawn ….

YES, Jason Witten is the best TE in the league

Not until Tony G retires.

Felix would scare me too

Meh

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

How about the fact, this post breaking down the Cowboys, and stating any concerns of the Eagles would be out of place? I didn’t see anyone say the Eagles are completely flawless.

by FredEx on Jun 18, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

think fans of other teams are hoping this will be a bigger impact than it really will be

Who’s gonna motivate & fire up the team like Dawkins did?

Chris Gocong?

"Hit or get hit" MB3

by Ca$h on Jun 18, 2009 5:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

They are professional athletes they shouldn’t need motivation and get fired up. I’m putting my money on Q but reports from camp are saying Asante Samuel.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 18, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

that's true

but if you think Dawk didn’t get your team to another level of pumped that will be hard to equal, then you haven’t been watching your own games recently. Specifically my own personal hell that occured Week 17 last year. That dude was fired up from the opening whistle and the team played that way. As much as I hate Dawkins, I wanted to sign him bad, real bad.

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Jun 20, 2009 10:40 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yeah, dude. I see what you’re saying. I just can’t see the Eagles getting pumped for a game with playoff implications against a division rival without Dawkins.

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jun 21, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG WAS THAT SARCASM?! ON MY INTERNETS?!?!

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jun 21, 2009 9:35 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

don't be an idiot

I never said they wouldn’t get pumped up, and I just used that game as an example, but he takes it to another level. Eagles fans can be in denial about the impact he had on the team, but it was there and it will be missed.

First to six!!!

by sduncan24 on Jun 22, 2009 3:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, I did read that Stewart Bradley had an awesome pre-practice speech the other day and the team really hit the tackling dummies hard. Asante Samuel has also been slapping people on the butt after good plays. Oh, and they’ve been competing to be the guy that leads the “What time is it?!? Gametime!” chant. Early word in camp is that Brodrick Bunkley has the inside edge on that job.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 22, 2009 3:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Is that sarcasm? AGAIN?!

I am the people's troll :3™

by yomjoseki on Jun 22, 2009 4:53 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Eagles fans can be in denial about the impact he had on the team, but it was there and it will be missed.

Meh (I find myself doing this a lot recently) … I’m not saying he won’t be missed but I do think that other teams fans are hoping Dawkins being gone will be more of an impact than it really will be. He has been with us (fans) for 13 years but not the players on the team, new guys step up a lot of these guys were the vocal leaders of their college/high school teams.

It will be okay, even if you don’t want it to be.

"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009

by Whodie126 on Jun 22, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

-I CAN HAZ SARCASMZ?

Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant

by EagleGreeninMD on Jun 24, 2009 3:21 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Yup, let’s assume the team will far apart based on nothing, and to prove our point we will ask if the worst defensive starter will be the new leader.

by FredEx on Jun 18, 2009 5:51 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

haha

it is not like they are kindergardeners who need to be coddled and told to try their best; of all the weaknesses people talk about for the Eagles, I think this one is the most idiotic. The Defense will be absolutely fine without Dawkin’s emotional support.

It is funny, too, because Dawkins actually made plays last year that the Eagles might miss.

by Whack8888 on Jun 19, 2009 2:12 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

witten

witten is not better than tony g . tony g is one of the best of all time .. i think hes better than sharpe

by jack is better than asante on Jun 19, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Whooooaaa...

JIBTA!!! We agree on something. Awesome.

by Bye, Dawk :( on Jun 19, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

OMG he's not retarded

Was that pig that flew by your window?

"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."

by greenbean#twoOH on Jun 19, 2009 5:29 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

no

unless you live in the NFC East celler!
too harsh?

by sports00fan00 on Jun 25, 2009 12:00 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Hm...

Regardless of what I think of Philly, I can appreciate a proper breakdown of positions, which I do think is what Bye, Dawk has done here. I’ll go piece by piece here:

Weakness:

1. WR

I do feel that this is a place of need for Dallas. Who knows how this will work out for them. Thankfully, after Crayton, it doesn’t become that big of a deal. Everyone who follows Dallas knows that Witten is the number one opition anyway, then probably followed by Roy. After that, any mix of Crayton/Miles/Bennett/Felix/Barber(Who is a fairly good receiver out of the backfield. Not Westy like, but then again, West is top 3 in that concern). I have concerns, mostly riding on Austin. Austin, who is just as much of a question mark as any draft pick(Maclin) to recently drafted but not much shown yet(Devin Thomas). If Miles can simply put up around 500-600 yards, and with Crayton grabbing another 500, we should be fine.

Speaking of Patrick, I can’t help but feel he is one of the more underrated wide outs in the league. He is not going to ever be a number 1 wide out, and probably not many teams number 2, but the man can play. He, barring Giants loss, has great hands and has put up great production before when he has talent around him(07 season). Aside from the obvious drop off of Owens to Roy, the team has far more talent at the skill positions than it did in that season.

2. OL

You have to remember that our starting LG went out in the beginning of the season, letting the awful and severely undersized Cory Proctor play, and then even when Dallas went out and got another midseason LG to replace him with, and not even that great of one in Hollard, he got hurt as well and Proctor was forced to start. That, mixed with Flos injury since the Arizona game, this team in general should be better than it was in 07 in terms of protection, barring age. I don’t suspect them to remain healthy the entire year, as no one ever does(and I have a bad feeling about Flo going down this year, which if so, would destroy the line), but they aren’t up there with leagues worst. They would be about middle of the pack.

3. DL

I agree with you here about the talent level. Spears, for where he was picked and what was expected of him, has not nearly lived up to potential. Hell, thank god Jerry put the fist down on Parcells and told him to take Ware with the first pick in that year instead of Spears, who we got later anyway. Regardless, Spears to me is an average to above average run stuffer and a mediocre pass rusher. Definite room for improvement there. Ratliff is one of the best NT’s, despite being undersized, in the league. In reality, Rat should probably be playing a 3-4 DE considering his size and that’s what he was drafted as. And depth behind Rat is a BAD issue. Igor and Canty is a push in every sense of the word, except Igor is a lot cheaper.

Concerns:

1. Other LBs

Carp has been an awful bust, and I have hated this pick since Parcells did it(THANKS BILL, YOU DRAFT EXPERT YOU!). Spencer still has the verdict out about him, as he has a ton of potential, but needs to stay healthy. Bradie James is one of the best 3-4 ILBs in the league, and led all of them with tackles last year. Brookings is up in the air on how he will transfer, but probably is more of a stop gap until Williams is ready to take it over on the inside.

2. Secondary

This group is far better than it has been in the last 3 years, in all honesty. Newman/Jenkins/Scandrick/Cincy CB duo is a far better combo than Newman/Injury prone Henry/Reeves/Nathan Jones or Newman/Henry/Pacrat/Alan Ball. Roy “THONG” Williams was awful in coverage, and has been a liability for years back there. Sensa is a gamble, and we will see how he does. Definite weakness in general. And Hamlin can certainly tackle, his issue has always been his coverage. There is still a glaring hole at the safety position, but to be honest, I’m so happy Roy is gone from there, and it has been a long time coming.

3. Wade

Wade is just Wade, and everyone knows his story. He will never be a pure HC, but he is a great 3-4 DC, and being that Stewart was finally given the axe after this season(have fun with him by the way…), and since Wade took over the defense since midseason last year, it looked a lot better(barring again, that 44-6 debacle which ended the season). Truth be told, I wish Wade was just our DC, and it is obvious to me that after this year he is probably gone, but hey, you must make work with what you have.

Realistically, I see Dallas anywhere from 7-9 to 11-5 next year, depending on injuries and if people play up to potential. We probably will finish about .500, maybe a game or two up. Still better than the LOLSKINS though.

by Zach22 on Jun 21, 2009 3:50 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

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