Eagles notes - 23 year streak ended, Maclin & McCoy's impact, Jaws is feeling good
Jack McCaffery of the Delco Times says that this draft was better late than never.
And in the NFL Draft of 2009, Andy Reid gave Eagles fans exactly what they wanted —- exactly what they wanted five years ago. It’s the Eagles’ way; it’s Reid’s way. Slow and lost on any logical timetable. Late, but in this particular case, better than never.
This time —- after so, so many failed championship attempts —- the Eagles had the inspiration to be aggressive and acquire touchdown-makers. That was what they did over the weekend. They proved to be aggressive. And they secured touchdown-makers.
He also pointed out that it has been 23 years since the Eagles drafted offensive skill position player with their first two picks.
Also from the Delco Times Bob Grotz says it's "now or never" for Reid and McNabb
Considering the overhaul the Eagles have undergone in the offseason there are no more excuses for Andy Reid and Donovan McNabb. If the head coach and his franchise quarterback don’t lift the Lombardi Trophy at the end of the 2009 season, their 11th together, it’s time to turn the page. If no job is safe, as the coaches and players always say, anything short of the Super Bowl means upper management owes Eagles fans the ultimate change. Reid has the team he wants. McNabb has more weapons than he has ever had, at least on paper. Both should be motivated, since their contracts are up in 2010. More than ever, they need each other.
While guys like Leonard Weaver and Jason Peters should make an instant impact, it's a little unfair to expect Maclin and McCoy to immediately step in here and make big contributions. By all accounts Desean Jackson, who came out of a pro style offense at college, is the exception rather than the rule as far as rookie WRs go. While I do expect Maclin to play and do some exciting things this year(esp in the return game) he's not going to start and it's too much to expect him to repeat his tremendous college production just yet.
Since RBs typically take less time to acclimate to the NFL, we're probably more likely to see an instant impact on offense from him. Still, he will only be a backup. The important thing to remember here is that both of these guys are just 20 years old. There's loads of potential there, but let's not heap unrealistic expectations on their rookie seasons just yet.
For a little optimism, we turn to none other than Jaws!
"We tend to forget they went to the NFC Championship Game last year. I look at this team right now . . . it's a better team than the one that walked off the field after losing to Arizona." said Jaworski
Can anyone deny that this is a better team than last year? Not only with the upgrades but with the fact that Brian Westbrook finally had surgery to clean out the knee that has been othering him for the last several years. There is a question of leadership with the loss of Dawkins, but talent wise this team is superior to the one that finished last year.
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23 years?
didn’t we draft freddie mitchell in the first round?
or did we just draft his hands?
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by psudrozz on Apr 29, 2009 10:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
He also pointed out that it has been 23 years since the Eagles drafted offensive skill position player with their first two picks.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 29, 2009 10:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its the first time in 23 years that we picked 2 offensive skilled players (wr,rb,qb) with the first 2 picks
2009? 5 pro bowlers and a NFL championship!!!
by ceegramz on Apr 29, 2009 11:58 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
like i said
freddie mitchell and his hands. that was worth our first two picks…..
anyhoo-thanks for pointing out my misunderstanding. best for me NOT to comment before my coffee.
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by psudrozz on Apr 29, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol
2009? 5 pro bowlers and a NFL championship!!!
by ceegramz on Apr 29, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly, I’ll believe it when I see it on the field. We’re told every year that the new Eagles are better than the old ones. I’ve yet to actually see it though. Sorry, Andy, but I’ve stopped drinking your Kool-Aide.
by michellemtsu on Apr 29, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well last year’s Eagles were better than the 07 Eagles…
by JasonB on Apr 29, 2009 11:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We tied Cincinnati. How is that improvement?
Yeah, we got to the NFC Championship game…and blew it. Again.
I just want to see them raise that Vince Lombardi trophy. Is that too much to ask?
by michellemtsu on Apr 29, 2009 3:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Can anyone deny that this is a better team than last year?
what makes us “better” this year is the uprade on the line and the blocking game. i’m sorry to say it, but maclin and mccoy may not have a spectacular impact this year. it’s the non-glamorous players like andrews, peters, and weaver that will make this team special.
another thing… the team may have a “better” record this year, but they need to get back to the superbowl. that’s the real improvement. the patriots were 16-0 not to long ago, but weren’t able to put another trophy on the mantle. that’s what we need to do. we should expect nothing short of victory.
by awd777 on Apr 29, 2009 10:36 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I was going to say it is a little unfair to say that this should be the last year for Donovan and Andy if we don’t win the Super Bowl because of our draft because of the learning curve but you beat me to it. I honestly think they are both here as long as they want.
by The Legend on Apr 29, 2009 10:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sure today’s team is better than last year’s on paper but did anyone go through the 2009-2010 schedule? it’s pretty brutal if you ask me…
by ringordietryin on Apr 29, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but the good thing about next years schedule is all the easy games are in hte first half of the season and the hard games are in the second half when we usually play our best.
by The Legend on Apr 29, 2009 11:53 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nonsense
I hate this whole, “No more excuses for McNabb. He’s got playmakers now” argument. He has playmakers on paper. It’s entirely possible that Maclin and McCoy do absolutely nothing this year, however unlikely. Didn’t we see the Redskins’ heralded trio of Thomas-Kelly-Davis do jack last year? Who expected that?
I think the team is much better now, but I’m not planning another parade route down Broad Street just yet.
by ajay on Apr 29, 2009 12:19 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Thomas-Kelly-Davis
raises hand
looks around
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 29, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ahh...
…you really expected not ONE of them to make some type of impact? I know it’s the Redskins, but…
by ajay on Apr 29, 2009 1:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
shrugs i dunno… i really didn’t think any of them were ready for the NFL… i praised jesus that we paseed on them all…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 29, 2009 2:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Better than Last Year???
Look guys, I am the typical Eagles fan – I let the team get my hopes up and then they are dashed so many times that I become guarded. However, this has nothing to do with what I am about to say:
I don’t understand how you all conclude that this team is better than last year’s team.
The first change is at RB where we lost Buckhalter – a proven player who got better later in his career and replaced him with an unproven RB in McCoy – who has the potential to be great but hasn’t played one snap in the NFL. In addition, coaches don’t think he can block and he has been known to have fumble problems. While that might one day be an upgrade, I don’t see how it is right now.
The second change is at FB where we basically used a combination of converted players who performed poorly, but our version of offense rarely uses a FB anyway. Yes we added a Pro Bowl caliber player in Weaver, but most say that he is actually more talented in running and screens than he is at run blocking which is what we need. Yes he SHOULD be an improvement but I would like to see how often he is lead blocking for Westbrook first.
The third change is at WR where we added Maclin – a 20 year old who barely ran any NFL routes in college. Yes he is supposedly dynamic after the catch, but that was playing in the Big 12 where offenses routinely put up 40 + points on the weaker, slower defenses. Of course he could learn the routes and prove to still be as dynamic with the ball in his hands but at best he replaces Avant as the 3rd WR who was coming on late in the season and proved to be trusted as a big target on 3rd downs by McNabb. While Avant provides nothing after the catch, there is something to be said for the big trusted 3rd down target.
The fourth change is the offensive line on the whole. Taking two, proven, past Pro Bowl tackles and replacing them with one who led the league in sacks allowed last year, and another who is coming off a major surgery and we aren’t sure he is fully healthy. I understand that both are younger and have more potential, but everyone must understand potential doesn’t always pan out, and most of the time it doesn’t happen right away. I also understand we could be getting Shawn Andrews back this year, but don’t count your chickens before they hatch – he has serious mental issues that are not easily solved, and people question his desire to play the game. Finally, the way the offensive line works is that it is a unit, a unit that is greater than the sum of its parts. Individual talent does not make an offensive line, it takes time working together for one to gel into a great unit, and last year’s unit had that. While this unit may eventually become an elite one, it is unreasonable to think it will be right off the bat.
The fifth and final change is the defensive secondary on the whole. We lose our team leader and Pro Bowl safety in Dawkins (while I am the first to admit he is a shell of his former self – he is still a great player who leads by example and still makes plays). We also lost a former Pro Bowl CB in Sheppard, who while he played like shit last year, he had the talent to excel and provided talented depth at the position. In addition, if we lose Sheldon or if simply he doesn’t play up to par, or even if he causes a distraction we will be in trouble. Hanson is more suited to play nickelback and is not big enough to take the WRs Sheldon typically guards. Hobbs is a similar player to Hanson and I don’t approve of the argument that he played CB for the Patriots when they went to the SB. Trent Dilfer played QB for the Ravens when they won and we all will admit we don’t want him. Finally, Ikegwuonu is completely unproven and honestly a lottery ticket. He might pan out but in no way is he an upgrade. If Sheldon doesn’t play the way he did last year CB is a significant downgrade. While we added Sean Jones and Demps has an extra year of experience, I don’t think you can call safety an upgrade. If anything it is a wash.
The only other arguement that might be made is special teams. While we acquired a lot of return talent, I don’t see how one could argue that any punt return will perform better than Jackson. Yes, it helps that Jackson can concentrate on being a #1 WR, but I don’t see an upgrade there. And Demps performed admirably at KR, and while we might be able to upgrade there it is not a definate.
I don’t mean to seem pessimistic, I just want everyone to realize this is the Eagles. They routinely get your hopes up only to dash them. I think this team has potential to be better than last years, and to be elite within the next 2-3 years (given Westbrook holdsup) but I don’t understand the arguement that this team is UNQUESTIONABLY better than last years team. I just don’t see it.
by hratner on Apr 29, 2009 2:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t mean to seem pessimistic
Too late. That was a wrist-slitting worthy post. It’s one thing to be guarded, but I think you should allow yourself a little more hope than you have.
by NOLACuse on Apr 29, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
Trust me I have hope, I just think everyone is jumping the gun calling these aquisitions definitively upgrading our team. I would love nothing more than to be proved wrong, but we will see. I have faith in the front office and think they do their job better than almost any other team. But I think most of these moves were more for the next few years than this year.
by hratner on Apr 29, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I guess the exciting thing...
Is that most of these moves have POTENTIAL to be great this year, while at the same time making us younger and competitive for the forseable future. I understand your guardedness…I’ve felt it like anyone, but…this really is the most exciting offseason I’ve seen…they haven’t proven anything, and you don’t have to be excited…but…
You can also choose to get excited…there are two reactions to the same data. I haven’t seen this team do anything that you haven’t…but you choose to doubt until proven otherwise, and I choose to believe until they dash my hopes and make me want to shoot myself…and if I’m right…my party started MONTHS before yours!!!:)
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Apr 29, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And the alternatives?
Two aging tackles, a defensive leader who is a liability, no NFL caliber FB (and the eagles use the FB at least 10 times a game and would more if they had someone who could play), the Sheldon Brown situation without Hobbs in the wings, the same WRs, the same TEs and ur seriously going to get sentimental about Buck (a serviceable back-up, but that’s it). This offensive line will be better simply with the return of Shawn Andrews. Add a stud tackle in Peters (who by all accounts is a star regardless of what a stat taker says) and the other Andrews and a good offensive line becomes one of the best in the league. People forget that Curtis was hurt for most of the year and only came on late. He’ll be healthy. DeSean has another year and likely won’t have to return kicks. Add Maclin to two potential 1,000-yard receivers a good possession receiver in Avant and perhaps a re-charged R. Brown (who once scored 10 TDs in a season). McNabb (for all his haters) had one of his best seasons last year. Brent Celek will be better and Ingram could be a solid backup. Westbrook should be re-charged. And McCoy – a runner who will make people miss and gain yards. Give him 5 touches a game and I’ll be happy. The defense gave up the fewest points in the NFC last year. Their LBs will be better with more experience. Dline is solid if not above average. Secondary, I’ll give you, could be a question mark.
by phillynyc on Apr 29, 2009 7:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ONE YEAR FROM NOW
OUR OFFENSE WAS 9TH IN THE LEAGUE LAST YEAR. I THINK WE HAVE A GREAT CHANCE AT IMPROVING THAT STAT WITHE THE FIRST THREE PICKS.
I ALSO DISAGREE THAT ANDY/MCNABB HAVE TO PROVE THEMSELVES THIS YEAR.
by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on Apr 30, 2009 11:56 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree with you
I think if the season had not ended with the playoff success that the team earned, that maybe Reid/McNabb would be on the hot seat. There were weeks this past season that I was SO frustrated with both the playcalling and McNabb’s performance…I’m not gonna lie…I cheered Kolb’s entrance to the Baltimore game.
But, they turned things around. The benching stung McNabb, and reacted like a champion…and we made it to the NFCCG…they did their job…they’re off the hot seat!
Even against ARI in that game…it was the defense that ultimately dropped it…letting Fitz get by again…that seemed fitting, our defense was phenomenal all year, they got us there, so if they dropped it, that’s fine, we wouldn’t have been there without them.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on May 1, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

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