NFC East rival draft notes
by JasonB on Apr 28, 2009 6:00 AM EDT
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Moving the Chains got some interesting info from a NY Daily News chat. The Giants actually had Jeremy Maclin as the #1 rated WR on their board, even above Michael Crabtree. The DN writer said they didn't necessarily "try" to move up for Maclin, but they inquired about the price. So according to the Giants, the Eagles got the best WR in the draft.
The Redskins tried to move up for Mark Sanchez, but GM Vinny Cerrato decided "it was too expensive." I'm sad to say but the Redskins might actually be figuring out how this whole draft thing works! That's not good, give us back the old Skins who trade away all their picks for old players that never work out!
The Dallas Cowboys draft has been pretty much roundly slated by critics, but Dallas fans are quick to remind us that draft grades don't matter anyway. They don't, but fans of teams who have a poorly graded draft are often the quickest to point that out... We've all done it.
I was thinking about the Cowboys draft today and I personally think it was terrible for one reason. Forget their picks because honestly I dont know much of anything about these second day guys they grabbed. That's for others to judge. Where this draft really failed was when they traded for Roy Williams. They traded their first, third, and fifth round picks in this draft last year for Roy Williams who proceeded to give them nothing that year.
Right now, that trade looks terrible. Dallas fans have cautioned me though not to judge the trade so quick because Williams might become a good player after spending a full offseason in the system. That may well be true... However, the trade will still be terrible anyway and here's why. Roy Williams was in the final year of his contract. He would have been an unresticted free agent this offseason. When Dallas traded for him, they signed him to a massive new 6 year $54 million contract. Had they waited a few months, they could have had Williams for probably the exact same money but not have given up any picks.
They gave up a first, third, & a fifth in this draft for Roy Williams' 19 receptions last year. Had they waited a few months, they could have had him and the players they would have taken with the first, third, & fifth round picks they gave up. Just think how differently people would be looking at the Dallas offseason then?
At least Cowboy fans liked our draft.
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Love the 0:27 mark when he goes… “Ah-ight! Ah-ight Cowboys!” (pounds the table) “Time to man up!”
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 28, 2009 1:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dallas paid the draft picks
to make sure there wasnt going to be a bidding war between a lot of teams for roy williams
i never agreed with their trade but it was the only way they could be sure they would get him
"You always hear about ballplayers buying numbers from other players for five figures. When this .300 lifetime hitter was in Philly, he traded his number to Mitch Williams for two cases of beer." - Stuff Magazine on John Kruk
by BadCo'09 on Apr 28, 2009 6:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed...
It was a 1, a 3, and a 6 (not a 5), but the point remains the same, and I agree… That trade was AW-FUL.
10 games, 19 catches, 198 yards, 1 TD, $45 million. Yikes.
The fact that Jerry Jones keeps going out of his way to say how hard Roy Williams is working this offseason is a clear indication that even HE knows now how bad Detroit bent them over. Hell, even Troy Aikman is starting to say it has the potential to be the worst trade ever.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 28, 2009 7:00 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well...
…it was actually a 1st, 3rd and 6th for Roy Williams PLUS THE COWBOYS GOT BACK A 7TH ROUNDER NEXT YEAR.
So that makes it a humongous steal for the ’Boys ;-)
by ajay on Apr 28, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions 2 recs
lol
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 28, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol x2
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
RIP Harry Kalas 1936-2009 -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 28, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And...
…I still think Maclin has more upside
by AshburnAlley on Apr 28, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
That video is HILARIOUS.
The only owner MORE clueless than Jerry Jones is that idiot in Oakland…
by michellemtsu on Apr 28, 2009 9:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would include the idiot in Washington
In the discussion, as well.
by Cormican on Apr 28, 2009 2:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Actually..
About Roy Williams. The Lions could have franchise tagged him. At that point, he’d have cost Dallas what Jared Allen took for the Vikings. First and two thirds (plus a swap in the 6th round). So Dallas got him for cheaper than they’d have had to pay for him in the offseason, plus they got him acclimated to the offense for half a year.
At least I’m sure that was how Detroit sold him.
by afksports on Apr 28, 2009 10:55 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
10 games, 19 catches, 198 yards, 1 TD if that is what getting acclimated to the offense means they should have saved their picks.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 28, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm not saying I agree with the trade.
I’m not saying I agree with the trade. I thought Dallas got fleeced when they did it, and I was cheering against every single one of those catches.
I’m only pointing out the flaw in Jason’s argument. Dallas would have had to pay more, and they would have gotten him later. For a team that believed in Roy Williams, it wasn’t a terrible move.
by afksports on Apr 28, 2009 11:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yeah I know but you are also assuming the Lions tag him I’m not so sure they do. He probably could have been had for less closer to his contract being up in the summer.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 28, 2009 12:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But that's a hypothetical
Detroit never had to tag Williams, they only had to convince Dallas that they would. Apparently, they did.
And Jerry Jones also thought this would take Dallas to the Superbowl after the ’08 season, so it had to get done before the trade deadline.
by afksports on Apr 28, 2009 1:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes and if you have no balls you take the bait like the Cowboys did. That’s why I like the Eagles we gamble.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 28, 2009 2:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They'd have tagged him
He’s the only value they have outside of the kid from Georgia Tech. I don’t think they would have wanted to keep him, but they would have covered themselves in case someone wanted to trade for him, same as the Pats did with Cassel.
by Cormican on Apr 28, 2009 2:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you can’t just tag guys for the sake of tagging them. It was almost 8 mil to tag a WR this year so it will inevitably be more next year.
At this point why not just trade him for whatever you could get and move on rather than spend 8 mil on a guy who had only given 17 rec 232 yards and 1 TD so far that year.
Roy Williams is good but Calvin Johnson had easily taken over as the primary target on that team.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 28, 2009 2:44 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Even they did tag him, I bet he could have been had for less what he went for.
That trade set the market way high for WR trades.
by JasonB on Apr 28, 2009 7:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Didn’t they give up more than that anyway?
by JasonB on Apr 28, 2009 12:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
They gave up a 1st, 3rd, a 6th, and got back a 7th.
Basically it works like this. If the Lions tag Roy Williams and Dallas then signs him to terms that the Lions won’t match, Dallas owes the Lions 2 first round picks.
If the Lions tag Roy Williams and instead negotiate a trade (prior to signing), then the Lions and whoever their trading partner is can negotiate the terms however they see fit.
This offseason, you saw the Chiefs send the 34th overall pick to the Pats for Mike Vrabel and the franchise-tagged Matt Cassel. There were rumors that the Broncos were going to give up significantly more for the rights to Cassel. But at the time of the Roy Williams trade, the closest precedent had been Jared Allen, who cost Minnesota a 1st round pick and two 3rd round picks. No doubt these were the terms that the Lions used to get a 1 and a 3 out of Dallas.
In Jerruh’s mind, he saved himself a 3rd round pick, and got Williams on his team for half a season longer.
by afksports on Apr 28, 2009 1:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Well this offseason no one would even make a significant offer for Anquan Boldin, who is an even better player than Williams. So the market just isn’t there.
Jerry was bidding against himself. That’s why he paid so much.
by JasonB on Apr 28, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Honestly,
I thought Williams would be more productive than that. Even though he was thrown into a brand new system in mid season, I figured being surrounded by good talent would result in a solid half season from him.
Random thought…we all know Anquan Boldin wants out of Arizona, but odds don’t look good of that happening this season. Boldin can justifiably blame Jerry Jones for that. Owners need to realize that when they do ridiculous things, it sets precedent for future deals for other teams and other players. Arizona set their asking price based on the Williams trade, and because of that Anquan is still stuck in Arizona. Although to be fair, Arizona wasn’t really in a hurry nor had a great reason to trade him, so they had the luxury of waiting for the right offer instead of jumping the gun.
by captainmike011 on Apr 28, 2009 11:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think you’re absolutely right. Arizona wants what Detroit got, and NO ONE was willing to come close to that price.
by JasonB on Apr 28, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Haha
I love that video.
“That team is so fast!” haha
Gonna miss Dawk a WHOLE lot next year..
by xEdge_Camx on Apr 28, 2009 1:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The Cowboys had to make that trade
It was obvious that the Lions were going to trade Roy Williams. He wasn’t going to hit the free agent market. The Cowboys had to make that move.
I think the move was a bad move just because Roy Williams is not, and will not be an elite WR. But the Cowboys wanted him and they had no choice but to trade if they wanted him on their roster.
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by Mr. Ace on Apr 28, 2009 1:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
A COUPLE THINGS
ONE: I LIKE WHEN THE NY GIANTS ARE SCARED.
TWO: DALLAS DRAFT VALUE IS LESS THEN MY 1995 FORD TAURAS.
THREE:WASHINGTON IS NOT HAPPY WITH THERE QB.
LOOKS LIKE WE ARE AN EARLY FAVORITE TO WIN THE NFC EAST
by STRAIGHTOYOURFACE on Apr 29, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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