Eagles 2009 draft wrap-up
by JasonB on Apr 26, 2009 11:58 PM EDT
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The 2009 draft is over. While it is the centerpiece of the NFL offseason and a great event... by the time it does end you find yourself very much grateful to see it go. It's two long, long days.
- The Eagles draft pretty much started with the mega trade that sent their #28 overall pick and a 4th rounder to the Bills for pro bowl LT Jason Peters.
- The Eagles first actual draft pick came after they traded up 3 2 spots to grab WR Jeremy Maclin 6'1, 200lbs from Missouri.
- The Eagles shored up a need in the second round with the selection of 5'11, 210lb RB Lesean "Shady" McCoy from Pittsburgh.
- The Eagles then made a series of trades that saw them drop down in the 3rd round and then out of it in a trade with the Saints. They picked up an extra fifth rounder and a third rounder next year in the process.
- The Eagles would then make yet another trade, but this time they netted an actual player by sending two 5th round picks for New England Patriots CB Ellis Hobbs.
- The Eagles would make three picks from #153 to #159 in the fifth round, the first being 6'4 245lb TE Cornelius Ingram from Florida. ESPN's Todd McShay called Ingram the "best pick of the fifth round."
- The first defensive player selected came at #157 overall, 5'11 CB Victor "Macho" Harris from Virgina Tech.
- At #159 the Eagles grabbed 6-6, 330lb OT Fenuki Tupou from the Oregon Ducks.
- The Eagles then traded their 164th overall pick to the Saints for a seventh rounder this year and the Saints fifth rounder next year.
- With the 194th overall pick the Eagles took their fourth skill position player, 6-1 WR Brandon Gibson from Washington State.
- In the 7th round the Eagles would turn their attention back to the offensive line with the selection of OG Paul Fanaika from Arizona St.
- The Eagles final pick would also be the second defensive player taken, 223lb OLB Moises Fokou.
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Hard to grade a draft so quickly ...
… since it’s all pure optimism.
But what you can grade right away is what the Eagles did against the perceived value available, and Maclin, McCoy, Ingram and Macho Harris were all projected to go much higher than they did, plus they got two proven NFL players in Peters and Ellis Hobbs.
It’s definitely not a bad draft — definitely a good week and solid offseason to date — but Maclin and McCoy’s careers will determine if this draft was good or great.
Sorry to ruin the celebration. Carry on.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 11:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI
eagles moved up two spots to get Maclin, not three.
by panalyst on Apr 26, 2009 8:31 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
good haul in the last couple days… or month for that matter. i think we now have the weapons to get us deep into the playoffs.
by the way, doesn’t mccoy look like westbrook in that picture?
by awd777 on Apr 26, 2009 8:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
they got deep in the playoffs last year.
i’m mulling some things over, but i get the feeling that this 2009 eagles team will be one which demolishes any team with lesser talent (and that very well might be all 31 teams in the league), but their lack of size in the backfield and on the perimeter will mean that against a defense that is elite, they could very well be shut down.
i think andy reid’s penchant for throwing the ball will exacerbate this weekness, especially against a team like the ravens or stealers (and quite possibly the giants, as well).
brian mccann: derek lowe's got the best slider i've ever seen
john smoltz: yeah? and josh bard's the best catcher i've ever thrown to.
by variablesdont on Apr 26, 2009 9:03 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You really seem to be reaching for negatives today ...
… but it’s a fair question to ask whether the Eagles are too finesse-based to beat a power team in the playoffs.
I don’t think there’s a right answer. A better finesse team can beat a power team and vice versa. I don’t think power always wins.
But the Eagles will be tough/physical on defense. And if Stacy, Shawn and Jason Peters are 100 percent, along with Weaver at FB, it might be just the physical edge needed to convince Andy to run more, or for more practical purposes, for the Eagles to convert the runs he does call. Against the Ravens, Giants, Steelers or whoever.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well, my negativity is a combination of a few things
i don’t like their playcalling philosophy, for one. i prefer the ground and pound philosophy of the steelers to the w.c.o. bastardization that reid uses. i just think that if you have an offensive line like the eagles, you need to make your opponents hurt. on every play, you need to be leaning on them and wearing them down, so that in the 4th quarter, you can end the game without an infarction.
also, i don’t like their draft philosophy. i’m of the belief that if you see a guy you like, you don’t stand pat and hope he falls; you move up to get him, and guarantee you get the best player.
that whole TE scenario was terrible. personally, i think coffman is the better player, and i think cook would have been the better fit, but if he was the guy they wanted, they should have taken him with the 1st or the 5th picks in the round, instead of dealing both to NE, and again, hoping he fell to them at a later pick.
i don’t give a shit if he’s a better value pick as a 5th rounder, if he was the guy, then take him in the third round, and treat him as such.
brian mccann: derek lowe's got the best slider i've ever seen
john smoltz: yeah? and josh bard's the best catcher i've ever thrown to.
by variablesdont on Apr 26, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Word ...
… The disagreement on philosophy is 1) fair and 2) a song a lot of Eagles fans have sung over the years. Although to be fair, there are times when Reid says stuff like “I’m not going to run it if we’re not getting yards” and times when four straight run calls near the goal line don’t work and it backs him up.
But the version of his offense has been much better between the 20s than in the red zone, and it produces way too many three-and-outs that put the D in bad situations. I agree that we need to be tougher and more physical than we were the past two seasons. And we have the line to do it now, if we didn’t before (and they did average 330/man then, but some were better pass blockers than run blockers, and Shawn A was out last yr)
Remember Reid’s basic tenet is pass to get ahead and run to seal the win in the second half. So he believes what you believe to a degree, that you have to run the ball to wear a team down, kill the clock and put them away. When the Eagles have done that, they’ve won (obviously)
So I don’t disagree with you there. (More coming … )
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
cont'd
As for the draft philosophy, I personally like it, but that’s neither here nor there. Your assessment of the TE situation, for example, is missing very important pieces of info, like whether the Eagles’ scouts thought Coffman was better or Cook was the better fit. If they liked Ingram better, which is not preposterous seeing as Kiper had him higher than everyone but Pettigrew, then perhaps they got exactly what they wanted.
You or I don’t know that the Eagles missed out on anyone they really wanted. Maybe they did, maybe they thought the difference between the TEs was less than the value of the picks they acquired.
The back end of your theory on drafting is if you just take whoever you want when they’re on the board, you miss out on the potential chance to gain the most value. For instance, let’s say Maclin is off the board at 19 and the Eagles really like McCoy, so they just stay put and draft him at 21. Well, turns out he could have been had at 53. So now they have McCoy and No. 19 (Maclin) instead of McCoy and No. 53. You dig?
Drafting I think involves inherent risk, and to do well, you have to be prepared to miss out on some players you like in order to hit on the maximum number you can.
The Eagles’ draft philosophy is real easy to nitpick with tunnel vision. But if you look at the big picture, and see how the trading back last year allowed them to get Laws, D-Jax, et. al. plus a pick this year they spun for Jason Peters, or that their constant pick manuevering allowed them to have the ammo to make the deal for Ellis Hobbs, or to get up for Maclin … I think in the big picture even you would have to admit they’ve done a good job.
Nitpicking over which middle-round TE is more talented is like saying the strippers at your bachelor party weren’t quite hot enough. I mean, come on … appreciate!
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 11:17 PM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
I recomended you, +1 to you sir for the stripper analogy.
;)
Astra Inclinant, Non Necessitant
by EagleGreeninMD on Apr 27, 2009 9:16 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just so you know... the eagles did move up to get a guy they really liked in maclin...
so you’re theory about them isnt entirely true..
by Manoovi on Apr 27, 2009 6:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i thought the same thing. I thought it was Westy with Maclin in the interview
knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!
by anuj on Apr 26, 2009 9:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh wow, what a draft, i’ve been a birds fan for years and truefully dis is da first time i’ve ever followed da draft so closely. I had about 5 websites opened up(nfl.com, eagles homepage, espn.com, yahoo, bgn,etc). If u ask me I think we hit on all of our pressing needs( that is if all our draft picks pan out good or great). Can’t wait for da 09 season, hope u guys all are. What a draft weekend.
gotta go thou.
eagles all day everyday, believe it.
by esizzle on Apr 26, 2009 8:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I am way more impressed with this year’s draft than I was this time last year with last year’s draft, and look how well THAT turned out. I see big things for these guys.
I am the people's troll :3™
by yomjoseki on Apr 26, 2009 8:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you forgot a few trades
we got a 2010 5th and a 7th from washington for a 5th and we then traded that 7th to indy for a 2010 6th round. and the seahawks trade.. gave em a 3rd for a 5th and a 2010 3rd… so even next year is lookin good for em
by DjacknMacAttack on Apr 26, 2009 8:59 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Simply a terrific draft, and I hope everybody remembers how they feel about this draft in 2-3 years time. No more blaming big red. Anyway, I also think that the Giants had a terrific draft and that the Eagles and Giants have really separated themselves from the NFC pack. Good stuff, good stuff.
by Neduol Caz on Apr 26, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agree about the Birds and G-men
pulling away from Cowboys and Redskins a bit this offseason. All had key losses, but the former two replaced theirs best.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amazing draft… when you can get Maclin and McCoy who can come in right now.. and give us legit threats on every play Mcnabb has to love this… add that to Peters ,Andrews and Weaver.. coupled with 5 .. B West … DeSean Curtis and co. I mean ..I know i it’s to early to tell but shit we are young, fast and dangerous..
Some low points .. basically handing the Giants 6’6 WR Ramses Barden who knows how we will turn out but ..just something about 6’6 WR ..Eli actually looks somewhat good throwing to them.. I personally wanted Jared Cook and if not Cook … Nelson or Coffman.. so was a little disapointed there but we did get Ingram who im fine and obv andy and co. were as well. Also I thought Jennings in the 6th or 7th would have been a sick insurance policy at the least just goes to show Weaver will be that guy for us he is basically gonna be our big change up back when needed
Obv. the cowboys and redskins drafts were… just bad.. haha I dont really see how everyone is saying Giants had a really good draft.. outside of Nicks, Barden, and Sintim…noone really scares me….alright yo sick draft. sorry for rambling i was pulling a Harvin a lil earlier
DeSEAN JACKSON THE 10NE
by TheILLadeph on Apr 26, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I agree on the Cowgirls and the Skins
But most teams would kill to hit on 3 of their draft picks like the Giants may have. The best hope for Barden is that in 3-4 years maybe he turns into another Vincent Jackson.
by Cormican on Apr 26, 2009 10:22 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Exactly who I was thinking of
big body from a smaller school out west. Obvious comparison I guess.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Gteat
Draft. Just amazing. Wouldve loved to see a trade up to get Crabtree though. Other than that no reason at all to complain.
by Igglesfan13 on Apr 26, 2009 9:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
We already have 10 picks again next year, plus we’ll have some compansatory picks as well.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 26, 2009 9:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
OK... just throwing this out there...
And if you don’t like it you can throw it right back…
Do we have the most talented team in the NFL?
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 26, 2009 9:48 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i think so…. we have the best o-line in the nfc and some playmakers on offense. also, i think the secondary is stacked. i’m not sure who could take us out in the nfc. i’m super stoked for the season.
by awd777 on Apr 26, 2009 9:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Would you care to join in on the action?
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Apr 26, 2009 9:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
On paper, maybe yes ...
… I’d much rather be where the Steelers are right now though, to be quite honest
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keith …do you remember when we played the Steelers …. come on meng dont say that haha
DeSEAN JACKSON THE 10NE
by TheILLadeph on Apr 27, 2009 12:56 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Top to bottom, this team is one of the most talented in recent memory.
I don’t think there’s much doubt we’re in the top three, along with the Patriots and the Giants. As a full 53-man squad, I like our team more than either of them.
This is going to be a really fun year. I know, I know, hindsight is 20/20, but imagine adding Tony Gonzalez to the mix…
by cwel87 on Apr 27, 2009 12:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just ripped the cowgirls on their blog. Cant wait to see their reactions.
http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2009/4/26/853924/cowboys-draft-09-linebackers
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Apr 26, 2009 9:49 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
dude...
you’re opening the floodgates. i’m glad you love the birds and all, but you’re just finding excuses for cowgirls fans to jump on our board and spew garbage. i really don’t want to see that crap on bgn.
by awd777 on Apr 26, 2009 9:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
agreed
come on guys. be class acts. we dont like it when trolls travel our boards, and we shouldn’t do the same to theres
knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!
by anuj on Apr 26, 2009 10:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yea i know. I stopped after 5 mins.
I just couldn’t help it. Their draft was horrific! lol.
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Apr 26, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It was
and they’ll get theirs in the only place it counts — not a messageboard, but the standings.
"In a couple of weeks or a month, I'll be excited about this team," Dawkins said. "I've got to get used to saying that -- I'm a Bronco." Then he paused. "I'll tell you one thing -- I'll always be an Eagle."
by exitfare on Apr 26, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
great draft
I would have liked to see them get a second running back in case… etct etc. - but if they are confident with the three O dudes they got that is cool -
Maclin — graet pick — hope it all turns out like it should
McCoy — decent pick — great pick if he doedsnt fumble a bunch
Ingram — risky pick — if his injuries are in the past graet pick
the other dudes they got seem like ehhh guys, which is not a bad thing at all — ehh guys generally win football games anyway haha,
also, the trades they made were real real solid - they picked up some piocks I think for next year, got some solid veterans -
Great Great Draft
by Whack8888 on Apr 26, 2009 10:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
eek
doing something wrong so it crosses out my text I dont really want that to happen — pro ably my constant use of the dash dash intsead of a simple period — hey man my thoughts dont end they just keep rolling etc. etc. — et. -e-s.sea
;)
by Whack8888 on Apr 26, 2009 10:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With Ingram
He’s the first of (what ended up being) three fifth round picks. May as well take a chance. If he’s both physically and mentally ready to go, he is way above a fifth round talent.
by sdf on Apr 26, 2009 10:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Macho Harris was a great pick
He was projected to go in the 2nd or high 3rd round. We got him at great value in the 5th. 1st team All-ACC. 1st team All American( Sporting News). I believe 15 or 17 career ints. Awesome returner as well.
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Apr 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ingram
was by far our best pick .. we stole him .. maclin was great .. but ingram in the 5th is like finding a 100 dollar bill on the floor ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 26, 2009 10:30 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i’d say that you’re more sold on Jack than our FO is at this point.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 26, 2009 10:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ingram was a gem
but maclin at 19 was a gift. but then again you are the king of {insert name} is better than {insert name}
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Apr 26, 2009 10:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the best part of this draft is that we didnt sell out our 2010 draft to make it work…we actually bulked up our 2010 while still filling our needs very nicely.
Picking up Hobbs has to be step 1 in the Sheldon Brown story. Maybe step 2 will involve him packaged with draft picks?? Anyones guess at this point….
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 26, 2009 10:38 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I kind of think they'll just say ...
… “Ball’s in your court, Sheldon. Play or don’t play, but you’re not getting an extra dime or a trade.”
Maybe make an example out of dude. Since the last three times we made examples out of guys, the message hasn’t really stuck. (thinking Welbourn, T.O. and Lito)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
And by saying that ...
… I mean they won’t actually “say” it. They’ll let their actions (or inactions) speak for them here.
Sheldon gets no trade.
I’d like to see him swallow his pride and play. But at this point, it’s either-or. I could live with Samuel/Hobbs/Hanson easy.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'd rather live with
Samuel/Brown/Hobbs or Hanson/Jack I./Harris
Man we are stacked in the secondary.
by Igglesfan13 on Apr 27, 2009 1:28 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Anybody can guess what the eagles will do with Sheldon Brown now.What do you guys think about maybe bringing in a back like Edgerrin James.
by Irj on Apr 26, 2009 10:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
What for?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don't mean that as a dis ...
… I love the guy. But all he’ll do is take touches away from the guys we have.
If it was a one-year, minimum-contract deal, it still might be worth a debate. It’s like the Takeo Spikes situation. Not that he couldn’t play. But why pay Takeo $5 mil when you feel Stewart Bradley is younger, more affordable, can do the same job or better and needs to have playing time freed up so he can develop?
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 26, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
again.
It is more depth. Would you rather have edge running for the short yardage or westy (or Mccoy now)? I’d rather not bruise them more than they need to be.
But i doubt Edge will want to play as the 3rd back.
by soman319 on Apr 26, 2009 11:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if you’re worried about short yardage, we got weaver.
PLUS….we’ll probably pass anyway
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 26, 2009 11:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i live in arizona and he’s been quoted down here saying that he would love to go to a team with a chance to make it to the super bowl.I think it also gives us a guy that fits what we like to do with the football.He can pick up the blitz,he catchs well out the backfield,he runs hard and with great pad leverage.
by Irj on Apr 26, 2009 11:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
he’d take a roster spot. we already have more “good guys” than we really can keep.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 26, 2009 11:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
between Westbrook, McCoy, and Eckle (who I am still really big on especially in short yardage situations) running behind weaver I think our backfield is set
"My worst breakup was with Stacy...It was on a Sunday, we were reading the paper and I said 'I think the Eagles can clinch the NFC East' she looked up and told me it was over." -Kevin from "The Office"
by DiLe47 on Apr 27, 2009 12:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
So who do we all have?
Alright, so all I"m looking for is just whom all we got so far in this off season? Just who are the new eagles for the 09-10 season?
by soccerdude21490 on Apr 27, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Denizen of Silver and Black Pride here...
….but I live in Pittsburgh and I just wanted to reinforce this: You guys got a HELL of a player in LeSean McCoy. To get him where you did is, if not quite a steal, then excellent, excellent, superb value at any rate. He can pretty much do whatever you need him to. McCoy and Westbrook could be lethal.
So good luck you guys! You won’t be let down with him, I promise.
by Raybin on Apr 27, 2009 12:57 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anybody notice the amount of players from New Jersey that went in the draft?
We are churning out talent. Too bad not all of them go to Rutgers, though more of them are now.
by soman319 on Apr 27, 2009 1:05 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I've been saying that for years
that if Rutgers could get half the Jersey prospects, they’d be great every year. Schiano has definitely turned that thing around, but they;’re still not killing on in-state recruiting.
Some years I’d but the football magazines and look at all the Jersey kids starting for Big 12, Big 10 and ACC teams. Basically except for teams based in Texas, Florida or Cali, they all get a few.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 27, 2009 5:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
When this draft
is said and done I think it might be one of the best the E-A-G-L-E-S have done under red
D.C. YATES
by dcyytexas on Apr 27, 2009 4:38 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I like Harris to make team as CB
And Fenuki Tupou to compete with Justice as BU tackle. Gibson, Faneika, Fokou are all long shots in my oppinion.
But Harris is a good player, and should replace JR Reed as bu FS.
City of Champions!
by yophillybro on Apr 27, 2009 8:51 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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