SI: Eagles "most likely" trade partner for Tony Gonzalez
by JasonB on Apr 22, 2009 6:07 PM EDT
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This has been mentioned in the fanposts, but Sports Illustrated's Don Banks hears that the Eagles may have become the most likely trade partner with the Kansas City Chiefs for future hall of famer Tony Gonzalez.
The buzz about the Chiefs resuming their attempts to trade veteran tight end Tony Gonzalez has restarted, and it sounds as if the Eagles might have nosed ahead of the Falcons as the most likely trade partner. Philly is thought to be willing to give up a third-rounder for Gonzalez. But Kansas City is seeking at least a second-round pick for a player it considers a future Hall of Famer, and may not be willing to bear the brunt of any criticism that could come if it's perceived to have given away Gonzalez too cheaply.
At 33 years old, a second or a third round pick would be a lot to give up for Gonzo... but the fact is that he's still probably the best TE in all of football and one of the greats to ever play the position. He would absolutely represent the major offensive weapon that many Eagles fan are hoping to add this offseason.
Throughout his career, Gonzo has remained remarkably productive and remarkably durable. He's a 10 time pro bowler and 9 time all pro. Even last year, on a really bad Chiefs team, he was fantastic.
I'd happily give up a third round pick to add a guy like this.
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I hate talking about this but...
One injury or set back would basically make the pick go to waste. The older you get the more time you need to recover from an injury or such. And when a guy puts a timeline for how long he will be still playing, that injury or setback would just leave us with less time from him. Contrast that with a promising young guy who if injured, could still rebound and expect to play for many years.
It is terrible to talk about injuries but players are investments. Like investments it’s hit or miss. While a hit can vary in the amount of success, a miss always equates failure.
by soman319 on Apr 22, 2009 6:52 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The player you draft can get injured too
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 22, 2009 6:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol yeah i know but an injury for a young guy is not necessarily the end of his career. For an older guy, some of the same injuries is a sign that it is the end,
For example, just today Mutumbo announced his retirement (yeah he was 42…on paper). While the extent of the injury isn’t known, Bynum from the Lakers tore his MCL and is back playing a few months later.
by soman319 on Apr 22, 2009 7:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I hear ya, but it’s worth noting that in his 12 year career, he has only missed 2 games.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 22, 2009 7:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its gonzo
getting him will be huge, forget the risk
by fitzy first on Apr 23, 2009 11:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Fair enough
But even the best GMs and Scouts still have a 50% failure rate on draft picks. The chances Gonzo will be a great player are already 100%, the chances of him getting injured are no worst than the draft pick’s would be.
You’ll have him for fewer years, but you’re getting a known commodity.
by Cormican on Apr 23, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow, that is quite notable.
and we wouldnt sign the guy to a 5 year contract… we would sign him to a 2 or three year most likely. if he gets injured, we’re only looking at a year or two loss as opposed to a new player getting injured and losing 7 or 8 years of solid play.
"I think if you go low on Runyan, he may drop the knee somewhere. So I think you have to stay high and just let him baptize you. That's probably what I would do. You know when you go backwards and your head hits first and you wake up as if somebody baptized you or blessed you? I think that would be Runyan right there, all day, every day."
- Titans' cornerback Cortland Finnegan
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 22, 2009 7:06 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shoot, meant to be a reply to Bye, Dawk :(
"I think if you go low on Runyan, he may drop the knee somewhere. So I think you have to stay high and just let him baptize you. That's probably what I would do. You know when you go backwards and your head hits first and you wake up as if somebody baptized you or blessed you? I think that would be Runyan right there, all day, every day."
- Titans' cornerback Cortland Finnegan
by #1EaglesFan on Apr 22, 2009 7:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Yeah but like I said, a young player has a higher ceiling in that if they do get injured it is not necessarily the end of his career. Even if they do tear their ACL, we can expect him to be back playing a year or so later and still hang on to him. If it happened to an older player, with the amount of rehab you need to put into it, would it be worth coming back for just 1 more year? Probably not.
Buckhalter is the best example of all of this. He battled through countless injuries but kept coming back. If he were as old as Gonzo, would we have expected to see Buckhalter for all these years in eagles green? probably not.
by soman319 on Apr 22, 2009 7:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
the more I think about this the more I like it. Yeah he’s old, but his production hasn’t slowed at all. with all the weapons we have on offense we wouldnt need him to be THE go to guy, we’d just need him to do his thing and produce, a player with his sound fundamentals can certainly do that. Not only that, but he wants nothing more then to win a superbowl. I think he’d give us everything he had.
From a Football standpoint it’s great too. He can come in and mentor Celek, and we can pout both of them on the field together. Imagine us coming out in Double tight sets next year….we can run the ball or we can pass, theres no way opposing linebackers would be able to cover Gonzalez and Celek.
by njh3293 on Apr 22, 2009 7:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
theres no way opposing linebackers would be able to cover Gonzalez and Celek.
…and Westbrook, Weaver, and Jackson.
by Bye, Dawk :( on Apr 22, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contract Information for Tony Gonzalez
Contract Information for Tony Gonzalez
1/12/2006: Signed a five-year, $35 million contract. The deal includes $17.75 million guaranteed. 2009: $4 million, 2010: $4.5 million, 2011: $5.75 million, 2012: Free Agent. Cap charges: $6.5 million (2009), $7 million (2010), $8.25 million (2011).
by SHOEMAN on Apr 22, 2009 7:17 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Trust me
Tony Gonzalez is good for at least two or three more Pro Bowl seasons. The guy is simply awesome.
by Chris Thorman on Apr 22, 2009 7:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
+1
For every musing we’ve had this offseason pondering Pettigrew at #21, there should be triple the support of a potential 2nd for TGonz or 3rd+5th for TGonz trade.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
At the very least...
…if we got Gonzalez this might* shut up the masses about a “#1 WR”
*By “might” shut them up, I mean “definitely won’t”.
by ajay on Apr 22, 2009 7:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yes it would...
If we acquire Gonzo, having gotten Peters, Andrews, Weaver, Jones and, hopefully, Moreno on draft day, my lust for a “#1 WR” has been sated and the off season is a complete success.
by birdy on Apr 22, 2009 10:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But...
I’m not gonna kick and scream if they also pick up Boldin, Ocho, etc…at that point, one of the best Birdly lineups we’ve seen in a long, long time.
by birdy on Apr 22, 2009 10:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
If the Eagles gave up ANYTHING to get Ochostinko I would absolutely kick and scream
by jvoelks on Apr 23, 2009 10:41 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think this one is going to happen...
Maybe I’m still euphoric from the Peters trade. Maybe I’ve got visions of sugar-plums dancing in my head like a little kid before Christmas. But I just get this feeling that by Saturday afternoon, Tony Gonzalez will be an Eagle.
I’ve been trolling through the KC blog Arrowhead Pride, and reading what they’re saying there:
- KC doesn’t need a HOF TE in there new offense
- KC is 2-3 years away from really contending
- KC needs to rebuild and the more picks the better
- Only a team on the verge of a championship run would trade for Tony
- If traded, send him as far as possible from the AFC West (although we play them this year)
All this just reinforces the feeling that Tony is heading this way.
BTW, I’ve just discovered that Bye, Dawk :( frequently posts on other teams blogs, and he represents. The best I’ve seen so far is when single-handedly took on the Cowboys blog after the Peters trade, pulled down their pants and spanked them green.
by Luxury_Used_Vehicles_By_Braman on Apr 22, 2009 7:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
pulled down their pants and spanked them green.
Beautiful imagery.
by ajay on Apr 22, 2009 7:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
honestly, it was like SB Nation’s very own extension of the 44-6 shellacking.
by Luxury_Used_Vehicles_By_Braman on Apr 22, 2009 7:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Keep up the good posts Bye, Dawk :(
I also saw you single handedly taking on the Cowgirls bloggers the day we traded for Peters. I was really tempted to join that blog just to back you up but didnt cuz i didnt wanna do anything Cowgirls related. I changed my mind now. After the draft, im gonna create a Fan Post on their own blog and destroy them idiots. I would also like to encourage Bleeding Green bloggers to comment on anything Eagles related on their blog and represent just like Bye,Dawk does.
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Apr 23, 2009 12:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That said,
If the Eagles do trade for Gonzalez, i think we can all honestly say there will be no stopping us from winning the Superbowl next year. I would be way happier if the Eagles got Knowshon and Gonzalez instead of trading a 1st and 3rd for a receiver like Boldin. Gonzalez had a better year than Boldin, Ocho Cinco, and Edwards. Did you guys see him in the Pro Bowl? Peyton Manning was throwing to him like crazy and he caught everything.6 catches 98 yards 1 TD. 1catch 17 more yards than FItzgerald(Mvp) For a 33 year old, he is really in shape. This Eagles team would be no doubt, the best in franchise history.
Taking Route 36 will bring you to Touchdown,PHI
by Route36 on Apr 23, 2009 1:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
funny
if you read at the very bottom of that post….there’s a guy calling us a superbowl contender and actually telling his fellow cowgirl fans how much better we are then them…
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 22, 2009 9:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Umm...
3rd and one of the 5th’s, no more. Not for a 2 year rental.
There is no reason for KC to keep him and that offer would be value to them as they build new leadership.
by Groty on Apr 22, 2009 7:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me=Happy for once
I am a hater and I know that. So, I am usually pissed, and I post accordingly. This is different though, I don’t have anything to complain about.
We got Peters, Andrews, Weaver, Jones and we are still working for more. We have a lot of ammo and we don’t have that many more targets we need to hit, if you feel me.
No way we should drop a 2 for Tony G, 3rd and a 5th are fine for a older player.
Also, we are still in the mix for other trades too, man this feels weird. I hope everything works out.
by topcat6 on Apr 22, 2009 8:57 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would give a 2nd for Tony G. I know thats a high pick and could represent a heck of a player, but to get a TE of that caliber for 2-3 years make Eagles instant SB contenders. Id take the risk of giving a high pick for the opportunity to be champs.
by Bugzy on Apr 22, 2009 9:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Just looked at Gonzo's stats
In KC’s offense he had 96-1,058 and 10 TDs. An all-pro future HOF can only make the birds better and bring another leader to the offense. Plus, he can help Celek and other young players mature and improve.
by phillynyc on Apr 22, 2009 9:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Those are some nice stats
But he is lacking in the kick and punt return areas. If we get this guy….and have our Oline healthy….no more redzone problems.
"The brownies,'' Fernandez said after the game. "The brownies are good for me to make three-points.''
by Sabonis4Ever on Apr 22, 2009 9:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
WHAT THE F#$%# LETS GET TONY GONZO!
The cheifs want our 2nd round pick? We’re only offering a 3rd? The guys the best TER in the league, lets just give up a measely 2nd round pick and have a great receiving weapon! There should be no question about this!
by Fly Eagles Fly 69 on Apr 22, 2009 10:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
BDawk
Brian Dawkins was a 2nd round pick…
There is always good talent in the second round.
by cybourgeoisie on Apr 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony G is needed bad!
Our W. Coast offense needs a great receiving TE like him! 2-3 years of service is worth a 2nd round pick. We wasted the 2nd round pick 2 years ago on Winston Justice. Although I admit D. Jackson was worth it last year. A Pro-Bowler for a 2nd round pick? Why is their even a hestitation? You take the Pro-Bowler. He’s consistent in his age.
by Fly Eagles Fly 69 on Apr 22, 2009 10:36 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Hey Cowboy Fans....
I could talk smack to Cowboy fans then that Witten isn’t the best TE in the NFC East anymore. Damn we need Tony Gonzo!
by Fly Eagles Fly 69 on Apr 22, 2009 10:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AM I dreaming....
I’m going to expect we won’t do this deal. We need it and this franchise always lets us down with personnel moves. Trade the 2nd pick for Tony G. Trade the 1st and a later round for Boldin. Could anyone in the league stop us?
by Fly Eagles Fly 69 on Apr 22, 2009 10:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what the hell, man?
We need it and this franchise always lets us down with personnel moves.
the current leadership took this team from the laughing stock of the league to a legit competitor. even more ludicrous about this comment is that in this offseason, we’ve replaced 2 probowl tackles with pro bowl tackles, addressed the biggest hole in the team by getting a top flight full back, addressed the safety issue, and it’s not even the draft. they have been spending like crazy this offseason. saying they let us down with personnel moves is absurd!
by eagleyosh on Apr 22, 2009 10:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what running back? we don’t need to draft one of those! just trade away all of our picks…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 23, 2009 8:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Tony! Tony!
It’s all in the stats. He’s still producing, last year putting up better numbers than our best reciever (Desean). We need major help in the redzone and he’s a TD machine. Great addition. Our 3rd round for him, 2nd round and Sheldon for Boldin, and 1st round for Moreno or Wells. Oh yeah!
by The Mozes on Apr 22, 2009 10:46 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
what?
no way a second and sheldon for boldin .. cardinals dont want boldin ..they already have 3 corners plus rolle can play there and saftey .. for once im with all of you .. i love Tony G .. i repedietly said him and gates were the best in the game .. not witten . not clark .. and hes been on my fantasy team 3 years in a row lol so im a lil biased … but i want him .. i would give up the third for him .. 2nd? maybe .. thats a big maybe .. i want him bad .. but a second is a lot considering his age
by jack is better than asante on Apr 22, 2009 11:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Holy shit Jack
We agree for once. Let’s just…cherish…this…moment.
by ajay on Apr 22, 2009 11:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. People need to stop assuming any team they want to trade with will want and highly value Sheldon/Reggie/Justice ect.
Tony G is a great TE no doubt, but he is older and has to learn a playbook and such. Its not a move that will have us set at TE for years. This would be a 2 year plug to try to win it now.
Obviously if we win it all, that will be amazing, but this is a young team (everyone but McNabb and Westbrook basically), so depending how Kolb and our drafted RB turn out, we could still have a large window of opuurtunity. Tony G does fill some needs but I don’t want him for more than a 3rd and 5th.
by FredEx on Apr 23, 2009 8:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Give them the stinking 2nd rounder.
Then maybe trade up for Moreno. That would be my biggest dream come true.
by Igglesfan13 on Apr 23, 2009 1:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I don’t think giving up a second rounder is that big a deal. It allows us to fill this whole with one of the best TE in the league and we can still get Knowshon in the first round.
by eaglesinmd on Apr 23, 2009 9:14 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i dunno… i think there’s probably a fairly significant talent difference to be had between rounds two and three… i’d much rather give up a 3 and 5 rather than a 2nd
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 23, 2009 10:14 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
understood completely
I’d much rather swallow the 3&5 bullet than the 2. However I feel we can pull the trigger on either or and still feel really good about this squad for the next few seasons.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 23, 2009 11:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It’s ESPN, and its very unreliable, but Michael Smith just reported the Falcons are very close to a deal for Gonzalez and it may even be completed.
Didn’t say anything about the proposed compensation for chiefs, and like i said its just another ESPN potential rumor, but yeah.
by FredEx on Apr 23, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
yup
gonzo to ATL for a 2nd rounder next year:
espn saying it now too:
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=4092471
http://poorsportsblog.blogspot.com/
by PoorSports on Apr 23, 2009 2:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yep its done
tony g is a falcon .. matt ryan just got a great security blanket .. there a pretty good team .. i dont like turner .. but hes decent .. white and tony g are good tho .. they win that division easy
by jack is better than asante on Apr 23, 2009 2:56 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
that sucks i would of loved to get him
by fly eagles fly on Apr 23, 2009 3:51 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
God Damn 2nd rate birds of prey
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by MeanGreen5 on Apr 23, 2009 4:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
quick
someone explain “most likely” to SI …
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by Whodie126 on Apr 23, 2009 4:45 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Yeah, the SI rumor ...
… and then the Falcons immediately getting the deal done for a second-rounder next year was pure torture. Thanks for that, SI!
(cancels subscription)
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 23, 2009 5:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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