Joe Banner spells it out for Brown
by JasonB on Apr 22, 2009 9:30 AM EDT
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Joe Banner was a guest on Daily News Live last night to discuss the Sheldon Brown situation. Suffice to say, Sheldon shouldn't hold his breath for a new deal...
"DeMarcus Ware had 20 sacks this year, led the NFL, right now he's making a million dollars next year. Have you heard anything from DeMarcus Ware? Tom Brady's gonna make $14 million over the next two years. That's $7 million a year. The top-paid quarterback in the league's making 16. Have you heard anything from Tom Brady? By the way, Tom Brady's got two years left on his deal. DeMarcus Ware has one. And I could give you example upon example. He has four years left on his contract, received a very sizable signing bonus as part of the deal. That has to be factored into the value of the two years he's played under the contract this coming year, whatever it was. And that's the only reasonable way to look at it.
"The thing that distressed me was I heard today that he had said that anybody who thought this was about the money was crazy. He needs to tell his agent that because we have had no conversations with his agent that have been about anything but the money. Now only two years into the deal with four years left, you know... James Harrison was the defensive player of the NFL last year, probably almost single-handedly responsible for the Pittsburgh Steelers winning the Super Bowl. He made less than one and a half million dollars last year. And now in the last year of his contract, the Steelers stepped in and gave him the adjustment. We're talking about somebody with four years left in their contract. I don't believe there's a single player in a number of number of years with that much time left on his contract that any team, including the MVP of the league, went to, so you have to have some perspective on this."
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Yes it is. Right now, it is hard to see this ending well. I can not see Brown taking this sitting down. He can hold out, but with 4 years remaining, the Eagles really have him by the balls here.
My guess is he continues to make noise, and will grudgingly report to camp. My fear is that the noise he makes will be a big distraction, inflated tenfold by the media. I suppose what would an Eagles season be without media-inflated drama?
by captain nodar on Apr 22, 2009 9:52 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I agree with him too...
…but quick question, wasn’t Westbrook re-upped with two years remaining on his deal? And might they not do the same to McNabb this year with five years left on his deal? Obviously Sheldon is no Westbrook or McNabb though…
by ajay on Apr 22, 2009 9:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I think his point was that Sheldon has 4 years left. A year or two left on a deal is the typical time a team will look to re-up a guy.
Plus, I do think there’s something to be said for the fact that Westbrook is who he is. Jason Peters is who he is. These are pro bowl caliber players. Sheldon, while a solid dependable starter, is not.
by JasonB on Apr 22, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you're wrong on one thing
These are pro bowl caliber players. Sheldon, while a solid dependable starter, is not.
I’m not going to call you out for having not watched the games last year because that would be a silly assertion on my part. However, I feel like Sheldon Brown’s contribution to the secondary last year was consistent with Pro Bowl caliber players. He was put one-on-one with receivers many times last season with no support over the top from Dawkins (who was blitzing, in zone coverage elsewhere, or was being slow) and he dominated them. No, he does not get interceptions, I understand that. But much of the time he makes sure the receiver does not catch the ball either. His coverage was simply phenomenal. I cannot understand why you’ve devalued that so much.
No, he does not deserve a new contract because he signed the safe deal at the beginning, but he sure is playing like a top corner right now so his gripe is understandable.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Apr 22, 2009 10:23 AM EDT up reply actions 1 recs
Ok, but it is a fact that guys like Westbrook and Peters have made pro bowls and Sheldon has not. They have been recognized at the top of their profession, Sheldon never has and that does account for something.
I don’t personally think Sheldon has ever played like a “top” starter. Although I guess that depends on what you call a "top’ starter. A pro bowler? No. Top ten? Not in my opinion.
I love the guy, I really do and I think he would start for most teams in this league… I don’t mean to “devalue” him by saying he’s not in the upper echelon of corners. He’s solid, but he’s not in the tier of guys like Samuel, Asomough, Clements, Bailey, ect.
He’s a good, solid, consistent, durable starter in the NFL.
by JasonB on Apr 22, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Just speaking of last year
What makes Brown’s performance so much different than Asomugha’s? Both of them let up 0 regular-season TD, and both of them effectively shut down their sides of the field for much of the year. I’m not saying Sheldon is as good as Nnamdi in every respect, but statistically speaking they were not extremely dissimilar. That said, one just got paid $45 mil over the next 3 years and Sheldon is stuck with his salary. Does he deserve more money than he is making? No, because he signed the extension a few years back. Is he playing like a $10 mil corner? At this point in his career, yes. I’m just saying his gripe makes sense, not that he should be paid.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
by IronHank on Apr 22, 2009 11:00 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
His gripe makes no sense.
He signed a contract two years ago, knowing it was for six years.
I can understand contract disputes when there’s a grossly underpaid situation, like, say, when dealing with rookie contracts – but this is just not the case. You get paid earlier, and you make a little less. It’s less risk/reward, but Sheldon decided to take the sure thing when he put ink to paper.
This is purely a business move. Sheldon’s agent though that, with Peters receiving what he got, he could finagle a new contract out of Sheldon’s situation. That’s one stupid agent.
by cwel87 on Apr 22, 2009 11:03 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon is stuck with his salary.
lol I would gladly be stuck with Sheldons salary.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 12:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Right on the money
That’s the problem with being a great cover corner. QBs don’t throw at you so you don’t get as many stats. But the Eagles know how important secondary play is and that’s why Sheldon eventually became the man rather than Lito, because he consistently blankets his guy. Also factor in how good a tackler and how hard a hitter Sheldon is and you have a really valuable player. I think it’s a toss up between Brown and Trent Cole as to who was the most important contributor on defense last year. Last year when Lito spoke up the FO came out with a bunch of stats showing that he wasn’t producing. Although they’ve been very vociferous about Brown, they haven’t tried to trash his performance with stats, because the stats will show how valuable Sheldon is.
by MJW on Apr 22, 2009 11:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hank hit on everything I wanted to say about Brown. No he doesn’t deserve a new contract but yes he is a top 10 CB in the league. I will continue to say that “Pro Bowl” is the most fugazi adjective in the sport.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 22, 2009 11:07 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Interesting stats
I found a very thoughtful and detailed analysis of the top 50 cornerbacks in the NFL last year.
www.operationsports.com/forums/pro-football/289299-top-50-cbs-nfl.html
The analysis suggests that Sheldon was the fifth best cornerback in the league last year and that he significantly outplayed Asante Samuel, who had a good year and came in at 20. That’s about where I would have subjectively rated them.
So its fine to diss Sheldon’s attitude or his tactics. But noby should try to underplay his importance to the defense.
by MJW on Apr 22, 2009 12:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jason peters gave up more sacks than any other starter at his position.
sheldon brown does what’s asked of him. all due respect…..i know i’m no expert. yeah, the bills suck. their line sucked. cut peters sacks in half, and that is still 6 sacks allowed. brown doesn’t make glaring mistakes(championship game not included.) sheldon locks down his side of the field. we’ve seen him do it. we haven’t seen peters come in and work his magic. time will tell.
by snowhill82 on Apr 23, 2009 6:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also, the McNabb situation is different… he has the opportunity to opt out, so really he doesn’t have 4 years left at all…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 22, 2009 10:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
thanks I think most people forget that.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 10:55 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Unnecessary...
I agree with Banner but let this be channeled through the media not by making public statements…
This is the way the NFL works…Thats the way you play the game…teams can cut players and players can hold out and make things uncomfortable to get traded or get a new deal (doesn’t always work), but you don’t get traded or get more money usually without complaining first…
Unfortunately, this is the players way to offset the bad CBA…Players don’t complain and ask for more money because they are babies or whining or don’t believe in contracts, they do it because in many cases it gets them more money in the long run…it makes good business sense in their mind…
by PoppiDamus on Apr 22, 2009 9:54 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would agree that it is very odd for the Eagles to do this… which is why I wonder whether they’ve deliberately tried to draw a line here. I have a feeling that this is a message not just to Sheldon, but to everyone else.
When they offer you a long term deal, you don’t have to sign it. You can opt to be a free agent, you can ask for less years… you can do a lot of things, but you can’t sign the contract and then complain about it. At least not when you have so many years left on it.
by JasonB on Apr 22, 2009 10:36 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
It's their whole business platform that's at risk here
I said it in another thread, but it was a wall of text and most were unlikely to read it – these types of contracts are what makes the Eagles’ business platform in the salary cap era so successful. They can’t allow any player undermine it, and they will very vocally break people who attempt to do so out of necessity.
by cwel87 on Apr 22, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Probably true
I think you are right on with this. I have been saying all along there is more than meets the eye here and I believe you nailed it. I think this message is not just to Sheldon and they are making a general statement and trying to do so before more players start doing the same thing.
I don’t agree with how they are handling it though. For the 100th time, I don’t think they should pay Sheldon another dime. There just seems to be a trend of bad blood boiling between Eagles players and Eagles Mgmt. It started with Dawk and that really opened my eyes a bit. Then Tra. Now Sheldon. Class acts for their entire career, suddenly speaking out. Besides the fact that I now don’ t see this ending well, that is my biggest concern. This rift between players and mgmt seems to be huge.
by Dawk on Apr 22, 2009 11:22 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Eagles have always been known for letting older players go and not paying for them for what they used to be able to. I think Dawkins and Thomas were your garden variety good business decisions. Especially Dawkins who got grossly overpaid by Denver.
I think this is an isolated instance of one unhappy player, not a bigger issue of a player/management rift.
by FredEx on Apr 22, 2009 11:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Bottom Line = This Just Sucks
There is no other way to decribe this situation, one which we might see dragging on for far longer than anyone will be happy with.
It comes down to the fact that Sheldon agreed to a deal that at the time was more than fair, and now is not happy with it. Is it fair value right now? Maybe not. But, Banner showed that it is almost impossible to pay everyone fair value all the time, short of only using 1 year contracts for every player in the NFL.
Do I fault Sheldon for speaking up? No, if he thinks he deserves to get paid more, he has every right to voice his opinion. But, it just straight sucks for the Eagles. Count me as one who was thinking he would provide the leadership for this defense, sans Dawkins. Now that doesn’t mean it won’t be Bradley, or Mickell, or Cole, etc…but I think this might hurt our chemistry. Players tend to side with players on these situations as long as they don’t whine and bitch like Lito.
Long story short, as much as I regret saying so, I think we might be best off trading him on draft day for a 3rd/4th rounder (who know if we can even get that now). And then if Moreno is not available at 21, trade down, and select the combination of Donal Brown, one of the many pass-catching TE’s, and a CB.
by hratner on Apr 22, 2009 10:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon brought this on himself.
The difference between Sheldon and most situations, is that Sheldon already got his adjustment. TO signed a contract, but didn’t get an adjustment. Sheldon got his contract, and got it adjusted, now wants to adjust it again.
Jason Peters is different, he never received an ajustment to his contract. I can see Sheldons argument if he was still playing under is rookie contract. But he decided to rip that up, and redo with that signing bonus and low base. He made a little more than 3 a year if you breakdown his base plus bonuses plus proration over the life of the contract. It sucks, but he got the money upfront. Thats the risk you take, he shouldn’t have signed that contract.
City of Champions!
by yophillybro on Apr 22, 2009 10:16 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Banner Is Right On This One
He said it as plain as day. I think this should give Brown a wake up call at least. Ware and Brady are Pro-Bowl players; Peters is a Pro-Bowl player as is Asante. Brown, while a great player, has never been selected to the Pro-Bowl. And given the fact that Brown has always been the consumate team player, this whole reaction is quite astounding.
It is like his agent is in his ear. And given the uncertainity of the future of the NFL or this economy, his agent is probably feeling the pinch of the recession. He isn’t a high profile agent so he needs to search for more coin which means he wants his players to get new contracts. This raises his comission level. But his agent didn’t have the hindisght to see the increase in the CBA nor is he good enough at his job to get high profile players like Drew the Shrew.
It is like Brown has been brainwashed or something. His past actions and words never demonstrated that this type of behavior was predicted. You saw it with TO, et al, but not with someone like Sheldon. I always thought he was a better person to go this route.
by Kwasi23 on Apr 22, 2009 10:30 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i like it
it sets the tone for other players …. if you cant be a big boy and come knock on banners door and instead you go to your agent who suggests a media outlet … you deserve to be embarrassed on public tv … this sets a tone for anyone else on the eagles or coming in to the eagles that were not gonna tolerate your bullshit … if this was a real job situation and sheldon brought this up in the middle of an executive meeting with his supervisors right next to him perplexed as he addressed the rest of the ties in the room …. hed be fired the next day …
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by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 22, 2009 10:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Time Value of money
Hate to do math on this site, but the simple fact remains Brown got $8mil in 2004. If you put that money in a CD(assuming rates were around 5%) that same bonus is worth around $10.2 mil today. I love Sheldon, but I hope the Eagles and the NFL crackdown on this.
Also, I am optimistic that if the Eagles don’t trade Sheldon he will take out his agression on the other teams players.
"Seriously… F off." JasonB to a Denver fan after Dawk left.
by DownHillBradley on Apr 22, 2009 10:44 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
AHHH beat me to it
Any one with a degree in business knows that money in the hand today is worth more than money in the future because it can be invested and return interest. Something tells me his boy Jason knew that at the time is and just trying to get greedy.
By the way it might be worth noting that it seems his agent, Jason Chayut is kinda new to the arena and his only other public contract dispute, that i could find, was the 2006 Deion Branch Debacle. (not very encouraging to our situation)
by va iggle fan on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Don't even need a business degree for that
Some of the first psych experiments demonstrated that we value money right now more than money in the future — ya learn that in psych 001. And finance 101. Etc.
by Alon on Apr 22, 2009 1:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
This is why I love this site
People who comment here have a Degree! Regardless of your majors, your comments reflect the level of your intelligence.
"Seriously… F off." JasonB to a Denver fan after Dawk left.
by DownHillBradley on Apr 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sooo
lol ?
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
RIP Harry Kalas 1936-2009 -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Math is good.
You’re totally right – Maybe Sheldon lost his jersey over the last couple of months because he invested that bonus in stocks instead of the CD and that’s why he’s griping today…
by cavortingEagle on Apr 22, 2009 12:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Have to Agree with Banner
Stop being a baby Sheldon.
by MaddenFL on Apr 22, 2009 10:52 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Me and Sheldon loev me some sheldon
but i hope the Eagles dont budge an inch on this one.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!!!!!
by 700 Level on Apr 22, 2009 11:25 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
If they do, it opens the flood gates.
I get so upset at these situations. Our team finally spends money on FA, and the current plays start to worry about what team mates are making.
City of Champions!
by yophillybro on Apr 22, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
exactly
my point
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
RIP Harry Kalas 1936-2009 -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 22, 2009 4:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
someone needs to tell sheldon
shuttieeeeeeeee,
he wants a new contract cause he’s 30 and realizes what an idiot he was signing an extension because now when he becomes a free agent at the age of 33 he aint gonna get a huge deal
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by ManBearPigMBP on Apr 22, 2009 11:33 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Usually I think Joe Banner is a slimeball but he is right on this one.
You have to suck it up and play sheldon. You have no leverage here and this will not turn out good for you.
by andyb on Apr 22, 2009 11:45 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Anyone else..
Love the way Banner named two great players and completely analed Sheldon. I thought it was beautiful. Shut up and play Sheldon.
by Igglesfan13 on Apr 22, 2009 11:47 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Salary Cap
One of the things about this kind of attitude from the Eagles… it works, and you never see the Eagles fall into the same type of salary cap troubles that other teams do.
The Eagles, more than any other team, are loyal to their young players that produce. How many other teams are signing their young players to the long term contracts the Eagles do? They’re smart. The players know they may be giving something up in the future, but they’re also getting a whole lot more now than they otherwise would’ve gotten from another team.
It’s a good statement from Banner, and I really don’t see anything I disagree with.
As for Sheldon, how much more would he make if he signed a contract now? Maybe 5 million over the 4 years? Would it really be worth it?
by wildcatlh on Apr 22, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
For Once I agree with Banner from the Begining
hes right, the difference between now and past decisions is now he EXPLAINED THIER STANCE. The Birds management is notorious for leaveing us in the dark and in turn we are shocked and pissed with thier decisons. Now that I see thier side im with him, thank you for breaking it down Joe B- great points… its about damn time
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by MeanGreen5 on Apr 22, 2009 12:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I hope Ware reads this and starts to gripe. That’d be great.
by jhavrk8 on Apr 22, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
lol
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 12:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Heres my thing....
In virtually any contractual deal, there is potential to have a Winner and a Loser. Contracts including longer terms and more guaranteed monies are a much larger gamble because teams AND players rely on predictions of future production. Sometimes it may work out that everybody is happy, sometimes just the player and sometimes the team. It goes all ways….Check my examples.
Sheldon Brown vs. Eagles. Eagles Win.
Brian Westbrook vs, Eagles, Both Win.
Reggie Brown vs. Eagles. Reggie Wins.
Could you imagine what would happen if the Eagles publicly demanded that Reggie Brown restructure his contract to match his current level of production? Do you think Reggie would consider?? Nope…and why should he? He entered an agreement in which the opposite party (Eagles) misjudged his future production and overpaid him because of it.
Ya win some and ya lose some…..and in this case, i wouldnt even go as far as to say that Sheldon “lost” as badly as he may be portraying it to be….but i do believe that if he were signing a contract TODAY, that it would be a good bit larger.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 22, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I would have an awful hard time disagreeing with anything Banner said.
I don’t see where Brown thinks he’ll gain anything by bringing this public. It’s hard to imagine your average person who’s eking out a living, worried about whether he’ll have a pay check tomorrow, etc., having any sympathy for someone making millions.
by MRPH on Apr 22, 2009 1:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
shame
nothing positive comes out of this situation.
at best: 1. he stays, plays productively, and puts everything behind me. probably not realistic
2, which will more than likely happen, we trade him to whoever for whatever before the situation gets ugly.
at worse: he holds out, complains, becomes cancer and we trade him and get way less in return just for the simple fact of wanting to get rid of him asap.
4th and 26!!!!
by kingofnorth on Apr 22, 2009 1:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
we could let him rot on the bench?
With as many years left on his contract, it hurts his value more if he does not play. I guess its ill-willed and out of spite but people have to honor contracts. It is THEIR signature on the contract, not someone else’s. I guess it finally hit home now that it is happening to us but I totally understand how fans of other teams feel, like Jason Peters and the Bills. It is unfortunate and the it really is a problem when any player at any time can seriously complain about a contract they signed.
by soman319 on Apr 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
off his official site....
- He and his wife, Jenny, reside in Marlton, NJ. The couple welcomed their first child, a son, Sheldon Dion Jr., on (1/24/06). Sheldon Sr. had his birthdate tattooed on his chest near his heart
- The couple purchased a 5-bedroom home in Marlton in 2005. In the 2005 offseason, they added an outdoor pool and spa to the property. Their house also includes a theater room with a 110-inch screen and suede theater seating, a fully-equipped outdoor kitchen, and a weight room complete with Sheldon’s actual South Carolina football locker, which he acquired when the team renovated their facilities. His favorite feature of the house is the master bedroom closet. “It’s huge. I finally have somewhere to put all my clothes. Jenny would tell you I have too many custom made clothes.”
- Is an avid fan of watersports and purchased two Yamaha V110 jetskis and a SeaDoo speedboat which he and his families use on Lake Wylie in South Carolina
- Hosts his own radio show, “Outside the Huddle w/ Sheldon Brown” every Monday night during the season on WIRED 96.5 FM in Philadelphia
- Loves to grill chicken, steak, and fish in his outdoor kitchen. His best dish is Sam’s Club ribeyes
- Purshased 1.6 acres of land on Lake Wylie in Rock Hill, SC, where he plans to build a home and retire. “It’s my final destination”
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by royboy on Apr 22, 2009 2:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
must be hard on him “toughing it out” like that on his meager salary
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 22, 2009 2:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
oh my I had no idea he was that bad off, I just canceled my donation check to Philabundance and redirected the funds directly to Sheldon Brown and his family. My only wish is that it makes it there in time.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 2:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ya know how when you go to a wedding, you get some shitty trinkets like votive candles and candy to take home? Well instead of doing that, we’re planning on making a donation to a charity in the names of our wedding guests… We’ve been searching near and far for a worthy reciepient… I think we can now stop the search.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 22, 2009 3:37 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Philabundance is a great organization man.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 3:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol… i was inferring that i was going to donate it all to the GasUpSheldonsRV cause… but yeah i looked at Philabundance as a serious choice
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 22, 2009 4:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha oh ok thought we took a serious turn … I’m thinking his land in SC might be in serious danger so that should be top priority followed by vacation homes, and all luxury vehicles.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
FYI Sheldon Brown gets paid 1,300 to make an appearance (without an autograph session) for 5 hours. It is more for him to officially sign autographs. That is $260 an hour for those of you counting, and probably more than most people make in a week.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 4:23 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
ESPN Insider Information
Just read this off the ESPN Rumor Mill for ESPN:
According to Don Banks of SI.com, the Philadelphia Eagles are now the front-runners to land Gonzo, and the offer on the table is a third-round pick. The pick in question is the No. 85 pick overall, and this is definitely lower than the expected return which was thought to be a second-rounder. To strengthen the package, the Eagles do have four fifth-round picks that could be involved.
Additionally, as harsh remarks have been lobbed back and forth this week between Sheldon Brown and the Eagles’ management, it’s possible that Brown could be traded. Brown is no spring chicken at age 30, but an unruly player is no good for a team that is poised to make another run into the playoffs. The Chiefs could provide a fresh start for the man who had 51 tackles in 2008, and the Eagles would get Gonzalez without giving up one of their top picks. One of these top picks could therefore be used on a cornerback, with Jack Ikegwuonu, the 2008 fourth-rounder who missed all of 2008 due to injury, as depth.
Thoughts anyone?
by Weapon AxMan85 on Apr 22, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I really believe Sheldon's agent told him to attempt what he did
And so he did, and so he got crucified in the public’s view.
Maybe my opinion of Sheldon Brown is wrong, but he’s a proud man. He’s going to get mad, and his drive to prove to people he’s not a whiny pissant baby will make him play even better than last year.
by cwel87 on Apr 22, 2009 4:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I'm in hopes....
that cwel is right here and Sheldon put’s on his spikes and tenderizes every opposing teams receiving corps between opening day and the Super Bowl!!!!! Stay in your lane Sheldon and everything will be OK! The fans will forgive you all your sins after the first knockout/ snotbubbling shot you lay down!
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Apr 22, 2009 4:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’d be down for getting Gonzo for a couple years for a 4th and a 5th….I’d rather see us keep ahold of the #85 pick……and I think the FO would be straight cracked if we trade off Sheldon…..Don’ know about you guys but it seems like the consensus on this one is “Dude, shut your mouth and play ball!” and that’s coming from my reading between the lines of Banners statement (which was truly unprecedented for Joe and the Eagles Organization altogether).
Loooooook here brotha'.....who you jivein' with that Cosmic Debris!!!???
by OkieEagle on Apr 22, 2009 4:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I just hope Sheldon doesn't turn out like Peters
Has a dispute, loses…then plays poorly the next year…before his ultimate trade.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Apr 22, 2009 5:18 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
THERES ALOTOF ASSHOLES ON HERE the dude has played outstanding probowl lol gimmie a break he should have been to atleast 3 by now stats dont lie. the eagles are being str8 up dicks right now. there is no way in hell hanson should ever be making more than sheldon case closed
by FLAeagle on Apr 22, 2009 7:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
you are an idiot...
if you truly spell the word straight with 3 letters and a number…….
…..past that, it also doesnt speak well of you to side with the Sheldon in this situation. As its been said nearly 1,000 times on here already…..signing a long term deal is smart and stable, but doesnt allow for “good year” increases along the way. Sheldon made a decision….a good decision, and is now pissed because he outplayed it. Maybe he should consider that had he been in some bad accident, or broken his leg mid season and never rebounded…and STILL would have gotten paid. He really shouldnt be mad that he outplayed the numbers…he should be grateful.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 22, 2009 7:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he definitely should be gr8ful
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 22, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Wrong
He would have kept the signing bonus but he would be out on his ass if he were to get injured. Brown is doing exactly what Peters did to Buffalo . So before the Eagles start crying foul they should take a long look in the mirror as they helped make this kind of behavior possible when they redid Jason Peters contract.
by TIRED OF WAITING on Apr 23, 2009 10:34 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s not exactly a fair comparison… Peters had 2 years left on his contract with the Bills; Sheldon hs 4. That’s a big difference. The Bills were not going to resign Peters, so they had a few options; either trade him before this year or after this year. If they waited until after the season, not only do they risk him getting injured but at that point everyone knows you HAVE to trade him and his value decreases. That’s why he was traded now. He had some leverage because he realized this. Sheldon has none because the Eagles can sit on him for the next two years.
Additionally, Sheldon just extended his deal two years ago. He seemed to be thrilled with the deal and the signing bonus at that point. Thrilled enough to sign a 6 year extension. He knew this was a possibility… Sign a shorter contract if you don’t like the outcome.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 23, 2009 10:46 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
U missed my point
So what u are saying its ok to bail out on a contract depending on how many years u have left? Im sure Peters was thrilled at his deal to when he first signed it. Im not siding with Sheldon as I believe that once u sign a contract u should honor it . But for Banner to get upset when his actions has helped to create this situation is just slightly hippocritical in my opinion.
by TIRED OF WAITING on Apr 23, 2009 11:06 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason Peters was also a TE converted to OL when he signed his deal not a Pro Bowl LT the most cherished position in the game. Sheldon was a top notch CB when he signed his extension. The examples are too different to compare.
If you were working in the mail room and got promoted to VP of operations you would expect a raise correct? If you were working in the mail room and continued working in the mail room you could ask for a raise but don’t necessarily demand one.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 23, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Not exactly. I’m saying that when there’s a season or two left on a contract that is the time that a team looks to address the future. They know that they either have to work on resigning you or trading you for value and moving forward. That’s the exact reason they extend contracts at that time frame. More than likely, you will get the most value for a player the offseason before their two remaining years because you still have the ability to wait until the following offseason to trade him as well. But when it’s the offseason before the final year of a player’s contract, potential bidders KNOW that you have to unload him NOW, and his value will decrease. It’s all about value.
Now, personally, I think that a when a player signs a contract, they should play it out fully and let the team approach them if/when they are interested in extending it. However, that’s not reality. Peters started stirring the pot last year, but ultimately showed up and played. This year, the Bills realized that if they wanted to get max value for him, this was the time to trade. Peters got a new contract as a byproduct of the trade. If the value issue wasn’t the point, the Bills would have traded him last season. And don’t specifically blame Banner. The Bills could have waiting until next offseason to trade Peters, and then this would be a non-issue, but they chose to do it now and maximize the return. All the Eagles did was extend a new player after they completed the trade. Additionally, you should take into account the contracts in question. Brown is trying to restructure a deal that was already restructure and extended. He was given a huge signing bonus two years ago. Peters was essentially trying to restructure and extend his rookie deal; the same exact thing that Sheldon Brown did two years ago.
My problem is specifically the timing here… If Brown only had two years left on his deal, I wouldn’t gripe about it too much, but the ink is barely dry on his last deal. Let’s scale this situation back a bit here and make my point more evident. Say Rookie X has completed the first year of a three year deal paying him a total of $3 M. He’s approached by his team to extend his contract right then. The offer is for two additional years to be added to his current contract. The new four year deal pays him the following: $1.25M, $1.5M, $1.75M, and $2M. He also gets a $6M signing bonus the day he signs the deal. Effectively these four years are worth $3.125M annually with $6M guarenteed. Player X and the team are both thrilled. One more year passes and Player X now has three years remaining on his deal. Player X performed extremely well in his second season and now has a sandy vagina and wants his deal to be restructured for additional money.
That’s basically what’s going on here in a slightly extended format.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 23, 2009 12:10 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
But when it’s the offseason before the final year of a player’s contract, potential bidders KNOW that you have to unload him NOW, and his value will decrease.
This is why I think the price for B. Edwards is set high but will come down on Saturday.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 23, 2009 1:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you get the feeling that you’re talking to a wall for the most part here anymore? except for a handful of individuals?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 23, 2009 1:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes. and hopefully i am not considered to be a part of that wall! haha
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 23, 2009 3:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha no kidding …
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 23, 2009 3:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hard to See the Point in Escalating the PR War
I don’t think Brown should be more but I can see his argument. But I don’t really remember any disputes where the Eagles release a press report and then Banner goes public about a situation.
I feel the best situation was to ignore it, but now it ramps up the angst between Brown and the team. If it continues it will not end good for either. I guess the Eagles could just bench him but he is way more valuable on the field.
But the more the Birds keep going public (and remembering the recent history with Dawkins and others), it can get very ugly. The Eagles just need to stop addressing it, say how much Brown factors into their plans next year and leave it at that. Continuing to go public will ensure that Brown who has never been a problem will continue to be one.
Also from Brown’s initial comments I think he really doesn’t like Banner. I wonder if Brown would have said anything if Banner hadn’t said on WIP he hadn’t heard anything about Brown being upset with his deal? Or if Dawkins hadn’t left? We will never know but I wonder.
by scphillyguy on Apr 22, 2009 7:41 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
sheldon's biggest problem
He need to get endorsements that’s his real gripe because most athletes do those plus get paid. go out and get some money by doing some advertisements
by kinand on Apr 22, 2009 9:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
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