Sheldon Brown contradicts himself
by JasonB on Apr 21, 2009 11:45 AM EDT
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Oh give me a break... 
Speakng to Les Bowen Sheldon Brown responded to the Eagles response to his public trade request.
I would encourage you to check out the whole article and get Sheldon's full comments, but this particular one struck me as a complete joke.
"I've always been treated like the redheaded stepchild, ever since I was drafted," Brown said.
"I've always been the nice guy, never said anything. I think they took that for granted," Brown said.
How can he say that with a straight face? The guy was paid a nearly $8 million signing bonus after just a year of starting experience. He was installed as a starter very early on and has kept his starting job for his entire career. Even when the Eagles signed Asante Samuel and had another former pro bowler, Lito Sheppard, on the roster... it was Sheldon who kept his job.
When the Eagles gave Sheldon a contract extension in 2004 he said this.
"It's a good thing for not only myself but my family," Brown said. "The most important part is that I'm glad the Eagles believe in me. Now I'm more anxious to prove that I can be worthy of the signing."
So where were you lying Sheldon? Today you say you were "treated like the redheaded stepchild, ever since I was drafted." Yet when you signed the contract you said "The most important part is that I'm glad the Eagles believe in me."
So do they "believe in you" or "take you for granted?" You have contradicted yourself, I'm just wondering when we(and the Eagles) are supposed to believe you? Now or then?
Some people will point to Sheldon's $2 million base salary and say that it's low for a solid starting CB, but we can't forget the $8 million check he cashed on the day he signed his extension. His real cap figure is closer to $3.5 million this year. Over the next 4 years Brown is scheduled to make $12.25 million.
How does that compare to similar players who were free agents this year?
There were a few solid starting #2 CBs on the market this year that are close in age to Brown. 27 year old Bryant McFadden signed a 2 year $10 million deal with $5 mil of that guaranteed. So he'll make about $5 mil a year over the next two years, which is more than Sheldon but he also recieved less guaranteed money. Jabari Greer signed a 4 year $23 mil deal with $10 mil in guarantees, Greer is only 26 compared to the 30 year old Brown. Phillip Buchanon, 28, signed a 2 year $8.5 mil deal.
Now, had Sheldon been a free agent there's a good chance he would have gotten a deal similar to Buchanon or McFadden. That would probably make him an extra 2 or 3 million per year over the next 2 or 3 years.
However, Sheldon was not a free agent. He chose to eliminate the risk of waiting until free agency to cash in by signing a big extension with the Eagles. These players I listed above took the risk of heading to free agency. Any one of those guys could have gotten a serious injury or played poorly in the past couple years and could have gotten considerably less money or nothing this year. They were rewarded for taking the risk and becuase they stayed healthy and played well they got paid.
Sheldon wants all of the rewards and none of the risk. That's simply not how business works. He's now decided to do what Jason Peters did and sulk over his contract and try to get out. It worked for Peters... but then again Peters is a two time pro bowl offensive lineman who just turned 27. Sheldon is solid #2 corner who just turned 30. Teams will break the bank for 27 year old pro bowl OL, they don't do that for 30 year old solid CBs.
Look at what happened to Lito. He was traded for conditional picks and signed a "prove it" contract that could see him dumped next year for nothing.
Bottom line is that Sheldon isn't underpaid. He's being paid exactly what he deserves. If wanted to be paid like this year's free agent crop, he should have signed an extension that would have made him a free agent this year. Instead, he elected to take the money in 04. Now he regrets that, but it was his mistake. His agent and him will try to paint it as if the Eagles are the bad guy and poor Sheldon is underpaid and disrespected... but the fact is that this is entirely the fault of Sheldon and his agent.
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Sounds like the ole’ “agent stirring up trouble” thing to me. The whole thing is insane.
by michellemtsu on Apr 21, 2009 11:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Fantastic Take Jason
I couldn’t agree more.
by cavortingEagle on Apr 21, 2009 12:03 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Buzzed, Rec’d and added to my Facebook…
by cavortingEagle on Apr 21, 2009 12:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Jason definately summed it up perfectly.
On thing he left out is that those CB like Greer and McFadden didn’t get paid as much as Brown did over the past few years.
When Sheldon was making more than other players, other players weren’t crying about how much he was making? They were happy for him.
He is player hating.
City of Champions!
by yophillybro on Apr 21, 2009 12:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hear here!
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
by D3Keith on Apr 21, 2009 5:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's more damning evidence from the Inky
The Eagles obviously remember what Brown’s agent, Jason Chayut, said when the cornerback signed a six-year contract extension potentially worth $30 million in the middle of the Eagles’ 2004 run to the Super Bowl.
“We didn’t need to do this now, but this deal was too attractive and too important not to get it done,” Chayut said at the time. “They made him a multimillionaire, taking all the risk out of injury. He’s set for life.”
by ajay on Apr 21, 2009 12:05 PM EDT reply actions 1 recs
Upsetting
I’m very upset Sheldon decided to go through the media with this, it’s not only unexpected but it also hurts himself with the fans since he’s one of the guys on the team that everyone thought was one of the good guys. I’m sure the eagles will throw him a bone in the offseason if it remains to be an uncapped year, they can probably offer him something off the books such as a roster bonus or something to ease him up if they want to. If things go down as uncapped the NFLPA says it won’t come back from uncapped so from there Sheldon may be able to get more from the eagles if they don’t have to ever worry about a cap situation. Just being a little optimistic but i don’t know if the Eagles will give him a new deal if continues to bellyache over being “underpaid”. The Eagles were smart in re-signing him early it’s his fault he didn’t wait for his market to upgrade he saw the money and signed on the dotted line the Eagles were smarter that day.
by Weapon AxMan85 on Apr 21, 2009 12:08 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sorry Sheldon, I have always admired the way you handled yourself as a professional athlete, but the Eagles and Jason are right on this one. Your decision was largely based upon being able to get the big money now instead of later, and I don’t think there is a bank in the world that would have given you that kind of loan for 5 years.
by Clyde Simmons on Apr 21, 2009 12:11 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
maybe then instead of now makes more sense?
by Clyde Simmons on Apr 21, 2009 12:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Dear Sheldon,
Please kindly return your 8 million dollar signing bonus and 2+ million dollar salary for the past several years. It has obviously put you and your family more behind the 8 ball than you had realized it would when you signed the extension. Its crazy how happy you were when you first got the new contract, and now its crazy how “horrible” of a deal it actually turned out to be. Long term stability in your line of work is hard to come by. The Eagles granted that to you and you accepted it with open arms. Had you been hurt last year and only started 1/2 of the games, would you have returned 1/2 of your salary?
I have a good idea for you, Sheldon. Lets tear up your old contract and make your new one entirely incentive based. 100% commission, if you will. No guarantees…just you and your playmaking ability that will write your checks for you. Please dont get hurt though…without guaranteed monies in a salary, you could actually get nothing. Hmmmm…maybe thats why guys like those long term contracts and guarantees?
Either way, Sheldon, I hope that you can come to your senses some. We all love you in Philly…and being that you’re under contract for 3 more years, I dont think you’re going anywhere just yet.
Take Care,
Jay
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 21, 2009 12:26 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Sheldon’s cutting off his nose to spite his face here. The fact of the matter is that he signed a contract…he had no problem with it then, and the only reason I can think of for complaining now is insane jealousy over Jason Peters’s new deal. The Birds said it themselves in a rare press release…he’s not helping his cause by mouthing off through the media. Other teams could actually shy away from him if the Eagles agreed to trade him, which of course they don’t intend to do. As some of you have said, it’s not the organization’s fault that he elected to sign the contract before he hit his full value potential…maybe you should be pissed at your agent, Sheldon, and take a long look in the mirror, because no one held a gun to your head to sign. You went for the quick money. You saddled up this horse, now you can ride it.
Tony Romo..why so serious?
by jaws1385 on Apr 21, 2009 12:28 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
P.S. is he seriously gonna be mad at Lurie and Banner for being better businessmen than him?
Tony Romo..why so serious?
by jaws1385 on Apr 21, 2009 12:31 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
if anyone he should be mad at…its his own “business partner.” his agent
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 21, 2009 12:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 21, 2009 12:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nice summary Jason… BTW, does the Cartman picuture strike anyone else as a nice representation for Andy?/
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 21, 2009 12:47 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Im going to play devils advocate here...
Couple things you guys are overlooking. Sheldon attempted to bring this up with the Eagles for a YEAR and they blew him off….so maybe going public is his only choice.
Second. Sheldon is a little more than a “second” CB. Asante is here and he is better but Sheldon would be the top CB for at least half the teams in the league. So compare his numbers with those guys and yes he is underpaid. He has performed very well for us—and to be honest was always better than lito despite Lito’s pro bowls.
He was most likely to be THE leader in the locker room now that Dawkins is gone and I think that is worth something as well. The Eagles should have thrown him a bone…..just like they should have signed dawkins to a one year deal and guaranteed him a job for life with the organization—sort of a harold carmichael type role.
by Gdog2009 on Apr 21, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Why do you think Asante is better?
Based on their play last year, I would say Sheldon is the better cover corner. He doesn’t get a lot of picks, but he does everything else from covering to tackling better than Asante. I’m not knocking Asante, he’s well above average. But if I had to pick one to play on my team for the next year or two, Sheldon would be my pick. Do you have some stats that show that Asante is better.
by MJW on Apr 21, 2009 3:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
wow
some one agrees wit me lol thas a first
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jason i just want to know
why you didn’t use this one lol
"I think pro athletes should be forced to use steroids. I think we as fans deserve the greatest athletes science can create."- Daniel Tosh
RIP Harry Kalas 1936-2009 -NPK
by NorthPhillyKid on Apr 21, 2009 1:32 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Nice post Jason.
I too have admired Sheldon for the way he has handled himself. Even the way he spoke out about the Lito thing I would never have seen this coming. Look at this quote from Brown when the Lito thing went down …
"I have no beef with Lito. He’s a teammate and a good football player. There’s only one guy who’s put the team in this position, and that’s Drew Rosenhaus. … He’s in a desperate situation and he’ll do anything to change Lito’s situation."
Well Sheldon … now you have put the team in this position.
You want to see underpaid and over worked … spend a day in blue-collar America and then give me a call when you can’t make that Benz payment.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 21, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I had forgotten about that quote. It’s pretty damning against Sheldon that he’d say that last year and then do this.
I dunno. Hope this can be worked out. I like Sheldon. But this kind of behavior is pretty inexcusable.
by wildcatlh on Apr 21, 2009 2:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Contradicting himself? Lying? BS.
I don’t think you can say he was lying or contradicting himself when you are comparing his comments from yesterday to comments he made 5 years ago. I think the bottom line is the landscape has changed. Many people have considered him the best corner on this team for years, even last year. He is making 1/10th of what Asante is making. I think his real driver is seeing how the whole Jason Peters and Joselio Hanson things went down. I also think no one on this post is talking about the contradictary statements that the Eagles FO made when they said Brown’s efforts were counterproductive. They said that one day after they traded for a guy who has sulked and held out for the past two offseasons. Then they paid him exactly what he wanted. Counterproductive? It wasn’t for Jason Peters. So I guess the front office of the Eagles is lying and contradicting themselves as well.
Hey, I am not saying he should get a new contract. I am not saying the Eagles should budge. I am 100% in agreement with Jason about our outsiders view of his contract. I too think he took a calculated chance by signing when he did. It was HIS risk and HE took it. So, I am with everyone here when I say he should play out his contract. At the same time, I have no problem with him trying to get more like he sees everyone else doing. Is he contradicting himself and lying? You guys are reaching. He is just playing the same game he sees everyone else playing, whether we like it or not.
by Dawk on Apr 21, 2009 1:53 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
asante
and sheldon should be getting double what hes making then
by jack is better than asante on Apr 22, 2009 2:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
1/10th?
Sheldon signed a 6 yr 25 mil deal and Asante’s was 6 yr 56 mil…thats nowhere close to 1/10th, more like 1/2…
by PoppiDamus on Apr 22, 2009 12:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
im responding to this late but
Im extreamly disapointed in how he is dealing with this, He was my new Dawk
Seventy-one percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Brian Dawkins
by MeanGreen5 on Apr 21, 2009 2:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed. I was shocked that Sheldon could be that short sighted, He always speaks his mind but this shit is sad. I wanted him to step up and be the heart of the D
by Sullybmore on Apr 21, 2009 3:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
all you guys are living in a fantasy land .. why did dawkins leave? MONEY .. why is sheldon bitchin .. he wants more money .. why did TO piss off the eagles .. he wanted more money cuz he too was well underpaid .. this shut up and play u signed the deal is nonesense .. its a business .. the problem is you think these players actually care .. wasnt asante smiling after we lost to the cardinals .. yes! its a business first .. winning has become an added bonus .. if a player could go and play on detroit and make 10 mil .. or the patriots and make 2 mil but win a superbowl .. 90 percent of the league would be a lion .. its how it is
by jack is better than asante on Apr 22, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
AMEN!
Jasonb just verbally kicked Sheldon “square in the nuts”
by Nils_eaglesfan on Apr 21, 2009 2:05 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
The trouble with understanding these contract disputes, including Dawkins’ departure, is that it’s really hard for us to know what’s gone on beforehand, behind the scenes. You don’t know what Brown has asked the Eagles organization for, nor how they’ve responded.
Handling it in public was a really bad move – even if it were his last resort, he has to know that there’s no good outcome once it goes public. The Eagles’ front office is now squarely against him, as they have to be -otherwise everyone on the team will start demanding new contracts every time they make a good play. For the fans and the team, it’s a big distraction going into the new season and pretty much eliminates Brown from being the locker-room presence we hoped he would be. It won’t increase his trade value – Peters being the exception to the rule (and it’s worth noting that the Eagles were after Peters last year and simply waited until the Bills came down to what they were willing to pay in the first place).
On top of that, the timing is just terrible – had this been his last resort, why wait until now to come out with it? If the front office was reticent to begin with, how do you think they feel now when you come out a week before the draft, basically backing them into a corner?
I put most of the blame on the agent. He has to know how valuable Brown is as a player, and he has to know what the Eagles’ response to this will be. Sheldon should have called Lito before following that guy’s advice. I don’t think there’s any possibility that he’s worth more than $2-3 million dollars over the next couple years and if the extremely slim possibility of that extra money weighs out against the whirlwind he just called down, I’d be more than surprised. What do think his trade value looks like next year in a Lito situation, Brown at 31 with a year of special teams experience.
by rockaintdeadyet on Apr 21, 2009 2:40 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I totally agree
Teams are going to spend the big bucks on a 27 year old LT who has proven himself, because as Tra and Jon proved, a very good Tackle can play at a very high level till their mid 30s, that is 7 solid years. For Brown who is 30, he plays a position where people are past their prime when they reach the age of 30, with Dawk being a exception. And don’t get me wrong I think Brown is a great CB but he is no Brain Dawkins.
Him and his agent should have seen this when they signed the deal in 04
by jpmelfi21 on Apr 21, 2009 3:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
One small quibble
I’m not going to take a stand on whether Sheldon’s demands are reasonable or not, but I do disagree with something that Jason said. The Eagles didn’t do Sheldon some sort of favor by installing him as a starter or by keeping him as a starter after they traded for Samuel. They made him a starter and they kept him a starter because his play merited it. The first couple of years it looked like Lito was a great corner and Sheldon a very good corner, but Sheldon has steadily turned himself into one of the best corners in the league and a huge part of our defensive success. He earned his role and the team has reaped the benefit of his steady presence in the lineup.
I also find it somewhat ironic that everyone who was applauding the Eagles for rewarding Jason Peters for his antics with a top of the market contract rework seems to think Sheldon is evil for trying the same tactic.
by MJW on Apr 21, 2009 3:13 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Agreed
I think that is the biggest problem that I have with this post and the people who are tearing Sheldon’s head off here. They are the same people who absolutely LOVE the Jason Peters deal. So far, Peters did a heck of a lot more sulking and complaining than Sheldon has ever done. And then he showed up last season and sucked for the first part of the year. Yet we are brilliant for giving up draft picks and 10 mil per season for signing him. You can’t have it both ways. If Peters hadn’t sulked, we would not have him. Sheldon knows what he is doing here guys. He is playing this side of the business just like anyone else. Will he get what he wants? Probably not but I cannot blame him for his tactics. It is not like he is TO here. He merely told ESPN that he has requested a trade.
by Dawk on Apr 21, 2009 5:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I reread Jason’s post, and I fail to see where he insinuates that the Eagles did Brown a favor by making him the starter. No one will argue that Brown’s play is why he is the starter. His comments were in response to Brown’s Read-headed stepchild quote, which is really just a crock of shit. The Eagles have always spoke highly of him, and the fact that they made him that early offer totally contradicts Brown’s recent statements (Not to mention that Brown himself made similar statements regarding the Eagles believing in him)
Also, you can’t compare the Peters to Brown. Brown signed an extension early, and set himself for life. He knew the risks of waiting until he was a free agent, but he chose the security of the up-front money, which at the time was a very good deal for him.
Peters on the other hand is considered by most to be the best LT in the game, or at least in the top three. And great LT’s are second only to QB’s in terms of importance. He did not sign a long term deal that was fair at the time, then complain. He was grossly underpaid.
by captain nodar on Apr 21, 2009 8:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lets just let him rot on our bench for the rest of his career
I’m sick of his stupid face.
by homestar2281 on Apr 21, 2009 3:34 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
ahaha are u kidding me .. sheldon is the best cb on this team .. not a number 2 .. hes shut down .. hes in his prime .. needs to cash in now .. where is the deal baltimore dished out to a second tier corner? not on there mysteriously .. sheldon is woth 5 mil a year easy .. idc who made this post. . its wrong either way
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 4:33 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
i cannot believe
that you just said that Jason B is wrong…“idc who made this post. . its wrong either way”…JasonB is Probably one of if not THE best moderator/blogger on SBN and you who have been here all of what a month? has the nerve , nay the audacity to call him out? YOu must be shelson brown in disguise trying to curry favor from the fans or at the very least an obsessed SS (sheldon stalker)
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 5:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hahaha
what makes him so smart? no offense .. he agreed with me a few times before .. and i agree he knows football .. but that post about sheldon is wrong either way .. sheldon is UNDERPAID .. hes 30 and he needs to get a big payday now or he will never get one .. hes smart .. and hes doing everygthing correctly .. i think he gets traded .. they are gonna plug in hanson and its over .. they paid him starters money anyways .. and then when jack is ready .. it will be just like the bobby taylor troy vincent past
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he needs cash? i don’t care what your job is….25 million dollars is enough money. To break out some math here…if you assume Sheldon lives til he is 100, his 25 million dollar contract means he made 250,000 dollars a year from the time he was an infant. Cry me a river he needs cash. just because he’s in the NFL and people in the NFL make millions does not mean he’s poor and “needs cash”.
also…I’d like to point out this whole situation is a matter of opinion. JasonB isn’t really wrong…you’re not wrong…you just disagree.
by eagleyosh on Apr 21, 2009 5:32 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
who cares
if i make 20 an hour and you make 35 doing the same job .. are you gonna say quit bitching people at mcdonalds make 7.15? who cares what they make .. he is underpaid compared to what others are making .. thats his point .. and he is correct in that assestment
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
nope
he is overpaid in comparison to what others make. the man makes sure someone else doesn’t catch a ball. Seriously. What in that talent makes him deserve more than 250,000 dollars a year for 100 years? most people would sacrifice a lot to make that much in one year. for example, if I wanted to make that much money, I would probably go the doctor/lawyer route, and get out of school around the age of 30. that’s sacrificing years of my life to go to school, and nights of fun to study.
by eagleyosh on Apr 21, 2009 5:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
you cant compare salarys to the nfl .. yes their salarys are extrmely high .. but thats a result of the revenue they bring in because fans pay the rediculous ticket prices .. it doesnt matter if salarys in sports are too high .. the point is compared to other top 15 corners hes underpaid
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do they live in lala land
where everything costs millions more? No? Ok. Good. That means they can afford to live luxurious lifestyles and provide for their families with ease. Therefore, not underpaid.
by eagleyosh on Apr 21, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
i agree that nfl players overall make too much money!!! im with you .. its how it is tho .. so if hes underpaid compared to his peers hes underpaid .. sheldon didnt tell the nfl to start paying players millions .. but they do .. and hes underpaid in his field ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
For Once (maybe twice)
I agree with Jack here. If your issue is the dollar amounts of NFL salaries, then stop supporting the industry. They pay players market value, and it’s the support of the fans who are the engine of that market. The Sheldon issue is completely separate.
I disagree with Jack on that because Sheldon got a lot of security early on at the expense of “cashing in” now…if he wanted to “cash in” he shouldn’t have taken the security then. He took a gamble, and since the gamble went his way, he thinks its unfair…you can’t have your cake and eat it too.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Apr 21, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i mainly took issue when he said “sheldon needs cash”.
that was mainly the point i was trying to make. For the sake of disagreeing with Jack out of habit, I probably said things that don’t make sense, but that was the argument I was pretty much going for.
by eagleyosh on Apr 21, 2009 6:05 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
more the issue
is not whether hes under/over paid, but rather that HE signed the contrct. I myself am a CONTRACTOR (the title inherintly says it all) and when i write a work order contract I am expected honor the terms of said contract , this includes the work prformed AND the price quoted for said work and materials. What I ask you makes sheldon and more or less liable for honoring his contract than me? Is he more skilled? More intelligent? more anything …no hes just more greedy and less honest and reliable.
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 5:45 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
jesus
if you sign a contract to build houses for 10000 for the next 10 years .. and after u subtract your cost .you make about 3000 a house .. these are estimates .. deff not realistic nunbers .. anyway .. if the cost to build houses goes up in the future .. and you are now making only 1500 a house .. but all the other contractors got more money and are still making 3000 are u gonna keep buliding the houses untill your contract expires making half of what the other contractors make .. this was simply to show you that hes not wrong .. he outperformed his contract .. hes being paid like a solid corner .. and hes a top 15 corner .. so he wants to get more now . because at 33 he wont get more
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:50 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
see, that’d be a stupid contract to sign, so northern probably wouldn’t sign it. Foresight…
by eagleyosh on Apr 21, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
at the time it was fair value so he gladly signed it ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:58 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
No
No good businessman who understands the effects of inflation is going to lock in prices for a decade, that’s stupid. However, if your business is about to fail, you have no customers, and this contract allows longterm income, then yes, you might sign it…but in a decade when others are making double what you are….you better remember that without that contract you’re on the street selling peanuts.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Apr 21, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you have a valid point
however , That is a cost based profit ratio. whereareas Sheldons contract doesnt require any COST to him only performance. Now in refernce to biulding houses…yes I WOULD honor the contract , its on ME to figure out a way to make the profit margins substantiate the work , i.e. less expensive materials, cheaper subcontracters etc.
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 5:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what if
the reason that you are making less is because the materials they make u use went up in price .. and u cant change them .. i wouldnt honor it .. i would say listen .. it cost more now .. so i need more money .. sheldon signed his deal as a solid corner .. he is now a top 15 corner .. so he wants to get top 15 money .. its only fair .. if you never played golf before and sign a contract to play .. and then after a few years you are shooting under par .. wouldnt you say listen .. im way underpaid .. im making what the amatuers are making and im playing like a pro?
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:02 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
once again
valid points….and in that scenario I would ASK to restructure my contract as per my cost going up however , IF the builder didnt want to restructer i wopuld have to decide to either honor the contract OR not work but i would than NOT expect to STILL GET PAID
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
but
what if you can go to another company and get paid 4000 a house instead of 1500 .. aka a trade .. is it so wrong to say hey listen .. i feel like im unerpaid i would like more money or go somewhere where they will happily pay me more
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:07 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
its not wrong to ask
however Sheldon is Doing what we in the bldng industry call blackballing. Hes not getting what he wants so now hes essentially starting a smear campaign…and thats just unprofessional
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not really
i think thats a lot of media hype .. he asked for more money .. the eagles said no .. they always say no no matter who you are .. they are smart as well ..they lock up guys young and when they blossom they are bargains .. ex they will soon lock up D JAX .. but in 3 years if hes the next steve smith hes gonna want more money . but they will be paying him curtis money .. n they wont give him more
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
not entirely true
i believe they just restructured westbrooks contract last year based on his excellent performance in 07
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 6:19 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
but other than him .. who else? TO Duece sheldon lito? .. they dont unless they have to .. hanson means they dont have to .. booker means they have no choice
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
just to let you know
ive actually enjoyed our dialouge here ….you made several inteligent points that i can appreciate ( even if idont agree with them) and i apologize for any attacks on you i may have recently made .However i would back off of FOOS5 …hes a good friend to alot of people here and he knows hios football.
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 6:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hey
he attacked me .. he told me to leave and shut up .. i didnt say anything to him
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well..its just
that since you came to BGN your comments have had a sort " my dicks bigger than yours " feeling to them …so alot of us "vets " have been kind of put off a lil bit by you ( hence my earlier attacks) . Its not that we CANT have people disagree with us( in fact we encourage good debates here) its just the manner in which the debates are held that dictates whether or not you become an enemy or friend…;-)
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 6:34 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
also
In the building industry builders REGULARLY get counter bids to see if they can make their contractors drive down their own price quote…Can the eagles "shop around " just to see if they can make sheldon DROP his price????
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes
they can shop sheldon and weigh the value of paying him more vs the picks they will get for trading him
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:18 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
and fuck sheldon brown .. do u really think i care about him .. i dont .. i would be happy seeing jack take his spot and getting a third round pick for him .. maybe a late second .. hes a good player tho .. so i see why hes bitching .. i understand both sides .. neither is wrong .. the eagles got a bargain by paying him early so they are so much under the cap they can go get a peters type .. sheldon feels underpaid .. and he is .. if their were guaranteed contracts this wouldnt be nearly as bad .. when do you see this in baseball or hockey or basketball? not very often
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
do you think anyone cares about you? really, could you pleae just leave
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 21, 2009 5:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
haha
fuck u .. stop replying to me than .. your just mad cuz i am right and hes underpaid
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
you are wrong … he thinks he is underpaid … you can’t compare contracts signed in different years.
Sheldon went after security over a huge pay day plain and simple.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
hes in his prime .. needs to cash in now
This is where you are wrong … he is in his prime … but he already cashed in. It’s not the Eagles fault.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 21, 2009 6:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
amen whodie
how ya been bud? been a while since i signed in … i missed all yall
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 6:56 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
busy … slightly annoyed at Mr. Brown right now … even more annoyed at the nonsense it has stirred up.
Torry Holt signed with the Jags so at least I don’t have to hear “what about Holt”
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 21, 2009 7:01 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
WHAT ABOUT BOLDIN????!!!1
hahahah jus kiddin…..seriously im hoping we pick up beanie wells in the draft ( Iknow I know anuj) so we can finally have somone the PUNISH opposing defenses…not just finesse them
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 7:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
what
he did not cash in .. if hanson makes more money than me .. id hold out too ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 10:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
he signed a fucking contract and got 7.5 mil just handed to him for signing his name. Look up “Cashed in” in the dictionary and you will literally see a picture of this exchange.
Hanson signed a 4 year 21 million dollar deal with 6.4 mil guaranteed. Meaning he could potentially only make 6.4 million.
Brown signed a 6 year 30 million dollar deal with 7.5 mil signing bonus. Meaning he has already made that 7.5 mill (so more than Hanson).
so in case you are slow Hansons contract worth 5.25 mil a year, Browns contract worth 5 mil a year but Sheldon got 1.1 mil more up front which almost makes up for it and he signed his contract in 2004 not 2009. So Hanson may be making more a year but he didn’t take a huge signing bonus and he waited to hit free agency when you have more bargaining power.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 12:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
dude
get out of here .. 5 mil a year for a shut down corner is insanely low .. how does asante make double that? and how does the nickle back make more .. you guys all kiss the eagles ass and are all about the team .. sheldon has a right to ask for more money or a trade if he feels like hes worth more .. which he is .. there are teams out there that would give him a 4 year 30 plus million deal . so why not go get it
by jack is better than asante on Apr 22, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I was responding to your statement
he did not cash in .. if hanson makes more money than me .. id hold out too ..if you can’t keep up with the discussion I don’t know what to tell you dude.
I agree he has the right to ask for more money or a trade … and the team has a right to deny his request. You really think there is an NFL team out there that will give 7.5 mil to a 30 year old corner? Only if they only guarantee 12 mill of the whole contract.
I think you should probably read up on how contracts work before you start slamming your fists into your keyboard trying to make something appear on the screen.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 22, 2009 2:48 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yes!
didnt we just dish out big money for asante .. what about foxworth got in baltimore .. foxworth is mediocare .. sheldons a stud number 1 corner .. he could get more money
by jack is better than asante on Apr 22, 2009 11:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i'm not going to sit here and bash the guy.
i think the situation could be better handled both ways. yeah…maybe he shouldn’t of signed that contract in 04. i think a little comprimise would go a long way. i don’t like the idea of having to draft a CB any sooner than we want to. he shouldn’t be the 3rd highest paid corner on the roster. joselio hanson isn’t the proven commodity that he is. on the other side of the coin…….butting heads publicly with the eagles FO is like butting heads with a brick wall. you just won’t win.
by snowhill82 on Apr 21, 2009 4:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
my thoughts...
1. BlackJack Reference: He stayed on 15 and then saw that the next guy pull a 6. You cant go back and ask to then HIT.
2. Poker Reference: He drew pocket Aces and went all in pre-flop. Everyone folded, and Sheldon picked up the blinds….had he slow played, the pot could have been built up, but by pushing everyone out he guaranteed himself a “win.”
3. Enough gambling references. How are the Eagles supposed to financially prepare themselves for the future if every guy that they THOUGHT they had locked up in a good contract demanded new money? If Sheldon were about to become a free agent, at least the front office could be preparing themselves to be handing out a bigger contract to him. Since he is not a FA…how are the Birds supposed to react? They thought they knew what his cap hit was and planned other moves accordingly…and now he wants it redone. Really not an easy position for the Front office to be in.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 21, 2009 5:23 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
spot on
THAT has got to be one of the most dead on comments ive read on here in a while, gambling references and all
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 5:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i agree
shawn andrews could he next .. maybe patterson after that .. they do sign them to good deals early .. its not the teams fault .. they got a good bargain by signing sheldon early .. so i understand both sides .. this is THE NFLs fault for not having GUARANTEED CONTRACTS .. and partially the eagles fault for over paying for asante
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i think the Eagles may have looked at Asante as more than just a Big Time Player. The dude is also a marketing piece. All of us buying his jerseys helped to offset his huge contract. Think about it from the business side of things…..they may have overpaid for Asante a bit…but i can guarantee you that there are more of his Jerseys in the stands than Brown jerseys in the stands. We as fans, technically helped drive that contract to that level…and the Eagles front office was smart enough to predict their potential earnings from signing him.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 21, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
further more
from the football perspective Asante stepped in and made an immediate impact as far as our defensive turnovers were concerned. I remeber in 07 our defensive turnover rate was abismal.
DMAC ...now THATS my quarterback man!!!
by northern eagle on Apr 21, 2009 5:40 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
and i completely agree with you.....
…..i just think that more goes into signing a guy than just football skills. this is a business afterall and when a Jersey sells, the money comes in. I am just sure that the Eagles Front office talks about merchandise earning potential to offset some of these mega-contracts they sign people to. In turn….some players are likely valued WAY more than others that may be just as good. Look at some of the aging greats. Brian Dawkins the player is probably not quite worth the contract that he signed in Denver…but the Brian Dawkins name alone will bring added merchandise revenue to the organization to help offset some of his extra expense.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 21, 2009 5:49 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Four interceptions
Asante had four interceptions. Yes that’s an improvement over 2007, but it’s nothing earth shattering. Sheldon had an int, a sack and a forced fumble and did a lot better job tackling and covering receivers. This is Sheldon’s problem. He gets no respect for what he does, while others get overhyped and overpaid for performance that’s not as good. I’m not defending Sheldon’s tactics, but I can understand where he’s coming from. He’s like the Rodney Dangerfield of cornerbacks.
by MJW on Apr 21, 2009 10:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i appreciate what sheldon does, but...
asante also had 2 ints in the postseason, including 1 td and 1 near TD. that’s what we paid him for…
that said, sheldon does his job excellently
by eagleyosh on Apr 22, 2009 12:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
sheldon
he does not allow tds and they dont throw at him .. asante has a lot more picks than asomugha .. and its a joke to compare them too .. asante isnt even on his level .. picks are a result of jumping routes .. on a third and long asante jumps a route and either picks it off or gives up the first down .. its a gamble .. sheldon plays the wr .. and goes off the field for the punt .. they play differnt .. sheldons more shut down
by jack is better than asante on Apr 22, 2009 2:38 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i said they both do their job
the things we pay them for are different though.
asante is doing his job, and earning his contract. sheldon is also earning his contract.
by eagleyosh on Apr 22, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i disagree
if you think asante is earning his contract fine .. i cant argue that .. i still say hes overpaid .. but he does perform .. but sheldon performs just as well and at half the cost .. so sheldon is not only earning his contract but hes outplaying it
by jack is better than asante on Apr 22, 2009 11:21 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
fuck asante
nfl.com got me my jack jersey lol i hope im the only one with it .. i hate him ill never buy his jersey .. and thats a valid point tho .. TO sold a ton of jerseys .. how come he was wrong to want more money? it goes both ways
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:52 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i dont hate them
i only hate asante .. and i think b west is good but over rated .. mcnabb is underrated hes great .. and i love jack .. i love jordan .. i like sheldon .. i love MJG .. andrews .. i dont have to like asante just cuz im an eagles fan
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 5:57 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i just assumed you hated a lot of them
since in this thread alone you said “fuck asante i hate him” and “fuck sheldon”
by eagleyosh on Apr 21, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
that’s all you say, you run around “fuck this person”, “fuck that person”, “fuck you you’re wrong” blah blah blah… please just leave
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Apr 21, 2009 5:54 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i promise that i will not argue with you.....
But to my knowledge, Asante has more starts, INTS, years of experience, tackles, sacks, assists and HEALTHY KNEES than Jack..
I currently vote that Asante is Better Than Jack.
You should appropriately rename yourself “i think that jack will one day be better than the superbowl winning and probowl player Asante.” just a thought.
by GreenInBaltimore on Apr 21, 2009 5:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With you Jack
Hey, I agree with others that Jason runs an awesome blog and he knows his stuff. I do agree with him 99% of the time. I just think it is BS that in this case he and all of his followers are calling out Sheldon when just yesterday that were drooling over Jason Peters. Many of them have also been drooling over the prospect of Boldin, Edwards, and/or Ocho Cinco. And if I wanted to spend the next several days doing so, I could go back and find posts by all of them that talked about how great/professional Sheldon is. There are people on this blog who just think this organization can do no wrong. They make no mistakes whatsoever. Regardless of whether or not it was the right thing to let Dawkins get away, let Tra get away, and now deny Sheldon his request, there is much more to it than that. They are not handling this the right way. They are not communicating well with these guys. And prior to the FO piss match that they started, all Sheldon did was announce publicly that he was asking to be traded. Get over it! It happens! It is part of this business and it works effectively SOME of the time. So he took a risk when he signed his contract. He just took another one. I, for one, think it will pay off for him on another team.
Isn’t anyone else noticing a trend here? Sheldon has always been a consummate pro. We all know Dawkins was. Tra, for the most past, was the same. These are not cancerous, locker room guys. These are not guys who constantly bitch and moan. If these guys feel mistreated, something is amiss and is not being handled well by the FO.
by Dawk on Apr 21, 2009 6:00 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
well said
i agree .. do they have to pay him more? no they dont .. they just signed hanson to starters money so they can plug him in ..its their money and their choice .. but sheldon has every right to ask for more money or a trade .. what they do is up to them .. but they are wrong to make sheldon look like the bad guy here
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Here's a business example for you Jack
You’re a contractor…you subcontract your electrical, plumbing, and roofing work. You have a 5 year pricing agreement with each of your subcontractors and based on those contracts, you price out projects for your customers. So you line up all your work for 2009, get signed contracts from customers…now your business is working, you have a plan, you can focus on it.
Out of nowhere your subcontractors demand more money when their costs haven’t gone up at all. Do they deserve it? Well, maybe other guys charge more for their services, and maybe your guys are good. But now you can’t run a business, because you can no longer honor the contracts your customers signed. You get screwed.
That’s what Sheldon’s doing…screwing us!!!!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Apr 21, 2009 6:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
i half agree
but if they dont want to pay him they dont have to .. they can use a diff subcontractor .. aka hanson .. and let him go somewhere that will pay him .. aka a trade .. im not saying the eagles have to pay this guy .. im saying its ok for him to ask for more if he thinks he deserves it .. and i think he does as well
by jack is better than asante on Apr 21, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I don’t disagree that he has a right to ask for a new contract but he also has to be ready to honor his current contract.
I am a firm believer that there are two types of men in this world 1) A man of his word or 2) A man of words.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
by Whodie126 on Apr 21, 2009 7:27 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
With you again
I am with you that the Eagles don’t have to pay him. I actually don’t think they should pay him. I think he should and will honor his contract because he does not get paid if he doesn’t. I just find one major disagreement with the majority here. I don’t see that he did anything wrong. The Eagles came out and slammed him publicly and it got ugly from there. I feel they took it down a notch first. He merely asked for a trade publicly for the sake of making other teams know he was out there. He didn’t start making the comments about being “disrespected” and “red headed step child” until the Eagles FO blasted him, personally, for going public.
by Dawk on Apr 21, 2009 7:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nicely Stated
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
by jalarsen1 on Apr 21, 2009 6:06 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
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