Indulgent WR Nonsense
by ajay on Apr 17, 2009 6:17 PM EDT
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PrintI really don't want to be one of those guys who spends today yapping about how the Jason Peters deal is BAD (?!?) because it prevents us from getting a marquee WR...but allow me to entertain that thought for just a minute. I still don't think it's outside the realm of possibility for this to happen, if that floats your boat (and clearly it does). Let's realistically evaluate the scenario:
Last I heard, and these are only rumors obviously, but the Browns were willing to deal Braylon Edwards to the Giants for a 2nd, 5th and a WR. They wanted Steve Smith and the Giants apparently said no. They instead offered Domenik Hixon or Mario Manningham, neither of whom the Browns wanted).
Now, our 2nd and 5th (we have four of them) are higher than the Giants' picks in those rounds (thank you poor regular season!). So we still have the ammo.
There are a few problems. First, I have no idea if the Eagles would be willing to part with their 2nd round pick (they probably wouldn't mind the 5th rounder). They would still have a 1st and 3rd but they'd have given up another 1st, 2nd and their 4th in the Peters/potential Edwards deals.
Second, they'd have to throw in a WR which is apparently what the Browns want. Many of you would be happy to get rid of Reggie Brown but do the Browns want him? And do the Eagles want to let him go?
Compare Brown's numbers with Steve Smith's:
As much as we rag on Reginald there's no comparison between these two players: Reggie is much superior even after his down 2008 season. So maybe we could give them another player? Think they like Hank Baskett? ;-)
Overall, we'd still have a 1st, 3rd, three 5ths, two 6ths and a 7th. Could you, and the Eagles front office, live with that?
For those Boldin fans, I picked Edwards because a) he's younger and b) his asking price is lower than Arizona's purported 1st and 3rd, which, if true, makes him completely unlikely as an Eagle
Again, this is all indulgent nonsense at this point, but the Peters trade leads me to believe that the Eagles just might be looking at a 2004 "balls to the wall" type offseason in a run for the Super Bowl. I also don't mean to rain on Jason Peters' parade - this is the real story we should be focusing on. Or as Andy would say, "This is Jason's day" (or rather, whenever he signs is). I just couldn't help fantasizing...
Your thoughts?
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It's not THAT crazy...
Let’s just say we trade our 1 and 3 for Boldin. We’d STILL have 8 picks!!! Granted, we’d only have 1 pick in the first 4 rounds, but imagine that team…
i dont think the first rounder players are that good this year
most of the good players for the price are in the middle rouunds
Misconception
It seems to be a misinterpretation that the 1st rounders aren’t good. They’re still the best players in the draft, mostly immediate impact players, and they’re going in the 1st for a reason. It’s just that, the gap between them and middle round players is less than in years past, both because the 1st rounders this year aren’t on the whole as “good” as the 1st rounders of years past and also because the middle rounders are slightly better.
That’s why you hear of value starting at pick 22 or so, because a bunch of the top 15 this year would be bottom 15 1st rounders other years, but so would a lot of the bottom 15 of this year’s first round, if that makes sense.
They've gotta get 1 good RB and 2 TE's.
They won’t give up both 1’s, 2, 3 and have nothing behind Westbrook
FIRST OFF
the giants 2nd and 5th round picks are better then ours, they’re giving the picks they got from the saints…..not their actual 09’ draft picks.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 17, 2009 7:49 PM EDT reply actions
Oh...
That’s an excellent point.
The Eagles would then have to offset this disparity by throwing in a better player – while Reggie is better than Steve Smith, I’m not sure that’s enough. Doesn’t torpedo the trade, just requires some changes. We could still give them a 2nd and 5th as a foundation.
Smith
Smith is younger and faster. I think that is more of what they want in return as a WR. We dont have that. Obvi not given up DJax, and id rather not see them give up Curtis. Brown has 5 years on Smith, so you’re kind of crazy to call Brown that much better then smith. If we’d part w/ Brown for a shoe box, and they won’t give up smith, who would you think is better.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 17, 2009 8:05 PM EDT up reply actions
pipe dream
Trade our 21 and our 3rd, and our first next year to AZ. We get Boldin and their 1st rd pick this year. Use that pick to get Brown. Not against Moreno,, but he won’t be there. Fill out w/ the picks that are left, maybe using the 2nd for a TE. (cook/coffman)
SICK NASTY O!!
To outbid the Giants for B.E. it would pretty much cost us our first anyway. No way we give up our first for B.E. Unless there was some way we could give them a 2nd this year 3rd next year and a 5th. That or somehow give them our 1st and second for BE and their second. Either way i think it would be easier to pull off the Boldin trade and benefit us much more.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 17, 2009 8:00 PM EDT up reply actions
1st next year
They wouldn’t accept that, we’d probably have to add our 2nd round pick or a whole bunch of 5ths, since the logic goes that a next-year-pick = a this year pick -1 (i.e. 2nd round next year = 3rd round this year)
No way bro, We are in the value zone in the draft.
Picks 15-22 are of high value. Why trade that away. I would love to see Moreno as an Eagle.
City of Champions!
I'm saying...
…you could still keep the 1st. Edwards could potentially be had for a 2nd, 5th and a player.
ABSOLUTELY
I am a firm believer in getting proven players where you know what your getting. The draft is always hit or miss. If you get a proven player your % to get what you think you’re buying is much higher.
I am willing to trade those picks for Edwards and am willing to trade our 1st and whatever for Boldin.
I know for sure they will produce. Nobody knows if anyone in the draft will make it in the NFL. Nothing is definite when you move from college to the pros!
by superbowlpukin on Apr 17, 2009 10:45 PM EDT reply actions
Couldn't agree more ...
… while I don’t like mortgaging the future a la the Redskins, there is wisdom in taking what you know instead of what you hope for.
I am a firm believer in getting proven players where you know what your getting. The draft is always hit or miss. If you get a proven player your % to get what you think you’re buying is much higher.
That’s the only reason I like any of this. If they could come away with the stud WR for a 2nd and 5th, still pick Moreno in the first and a TE at some other point, I’d be OK with it.
I would not want to surrender that No. 21 though.
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
while i would love to see Boldin in Eagle Green
We just can’t enter the season with a lack of depth behind Westbrook. If we can pull a deal without using at least our 2nd (1st?), then full steam ahead.
knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!
I'm sorry
but Reggie brown is like sixth on the Eagles depth Chart.. how can you argue that he’s better than Steve Smith.. And apparently the asking price for braylon is at least a first round pick. You guys should be worried that you went after a tackle who’s not a proficient run blocker and will be able to fulfill andy reid’s anorexic playbook
It's not easy being Giants fan in Philly.. but it sure is satisfying
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by Hoyadestroya85 on Apr 17, 2009 10:59 PM EDT reply actions
Um
not a proficient run blocker
If by “not a proficient run blocker” you mean a nasty, mauler Pro Bowl run blocker, then yes.
And while Reggie is currently down on the depth chart (mostly due to injuries and not playing on special teams), look at his production vs Steve Smith. Smith is younger, sure, but compare their first two years in the league:
Smith: 65 rec, 637 yards, 1 TD
Brown: 89 rec, 1387 yards, 12 TDs
And who’s better again?
um
steve smith has been in the league for 2 years and has been behind burress and toomer. Brown never had someone like Plax keeping him off the field. Meanwhile Brown has fallen off and smith has potential
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Apr 21, 2009 7:52 PM EDT up reply actions
who’s not a proficient run blocker
If you would have said pass instead of run I would have agreed but Peters can flat out run block no question.
Steve Smith 2008 – 16 games 57 rec 574 yards 10.1 avg 1 TD
Reggie Brown 2008 – 10 games 18 rec 252 yards 14.0 avg 1 TD
Smith had more than double the receptions which gave him more than double the yards but they both had 1 TD and ultimately TDs win games. Not to mention he played in 6 more games had a lower average and was targeted a lot more. Steve Smith might go on to be better than Brown but right now they are at least on the same level. Did I mention Brown was playing injured almost the entire season.
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
If you would have said pass instead of run I would have agreed but Peters can flat out run block no question.
Which is why while I’d love to have either Edwards or Boldin here we would still need another RB to compliment Westbrook and another TE. Weather they get the in the draft or elsewhere. Our WRs are far from bad but either one of those guys would put us over the top in my opinion.
wow... you're just an idiot
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
If we could get Edwards without using a 1st, I guess
but man, I would LOVE to get Boldin. LOVE IT. Now we have McNabb’s protection all shored up, lets please give him a nice deep threat. I love DJack and Curtis, but man I would love to see Donny have a guy he could air the ball out with, a tall nasty, pull it out of the sky kinda guy. But I also want Knowshon or DBrown, so I think to torture myself a little more, Im gonna hold onto my Chad Johnson for a 2nd and 5th fantasy (silently, dont worry, there will be no CJ posts)
"I want to maintain my flexibility."
-Andy Reid
by BroadStBullies on Apr 18, 2009 12:13 AM EDT reply actions
You'd prefer
Chad Johnson for a 2nd and a 5th over Edwards for a 2nd, 5th and a WR? Hypothetically speaking, of course.
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