Trade #21 for Peters
by mattwill on Apr 1, 2009 3:34 AM EDT
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PrintRight now the best move the Eagles can make at #21 would be to trade Picks #21, #53 and #85 plus Winston Justice to the Bills, and get back Jason Peters plus Picks #42 and #75. Throwing in Winston Justice as a deal sweetener is also a possibility.
An O-Line of Peters - Andrews - Jackson - Andrews - Herremans would be transformative. Even run-happy Andy wouldn't be able to resist running with that kind of run blocking prowess. Westbrook - Weaver would thrive. Drafting Moreno (at #28) and Quinn Johnson (in the 5th Round) in April would put in place the Eagles backfield of the future.
With pick #42 the Eagles would be picking early enough in the 2nd Round to be able to snag TE Shawn Nelson from Southern Mississippi to address the TE situation. Further TE blocking help could come from signing RFA Quinn Sypniewski, which would only cost the Eagles their own 5th Round choice.
Peters, Moreno and Nelson would be major steps forward for the O.
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Not a lot of Jason Peters fans on this board anymore.
However, with all the pick swapping you mention, have you asked yourself if the Bills would want to give up Peters, plus position in the second and third round and take back Justice?
Maybe you have. To me that looks like a real Eagle-centric offer though.
I’m starting to really covet Pettigrew and an RB at 21 and 28 anyway, rather than OL. I try not to hope for particular guys on draft day, but …
Still waiting for the Eagles to Bring It Home For Jerome
Too much $$$
Much like Denver will now trade its headache QB, The Bills would jump on this offer (in large part because it’s way too much for Peters), but the Eagles are never going to pay him the $10-$11M per year Peters is looking for. He’s talented and would likely be an improvement over either Andrews of Herremans at LT, but only slightly and not enough to justify the contract he’s seeking. So unless he’s willing to accept Walter Jones as opposed to Jordan Gross money, this will never happen.
I have a sneaking suspicion that Peters will convert some of his demands to incentives when/if he escapes Buffalo. I certainly would expect Banner et.al. to create a contract where pay quality/quantity matches play quality/quantity.
Regarding the one year spike in sacks, he missed 100% of the minicamps, 100% of Training Camp, 100% of the preseason games, and reported on September 5th. He played his way into shape over the first half of the season. Look at what happened to Andrews when he missed Training Camp and the preseason. Bottom-line, a very understandable bad year.
We had discussion with a Bills writer regarding Peters this AM.
While some of the things he said about the way Peters has acted are troubling… He agrees with you that Peters would take less money to get out of Buffalo.
No I didn’t see it.
Re: Pettigrew, I see him as a safe pick, but not an inspiring pick. His blocking will improve some of our running play production, but I don’t see him having a significant impact in fixing our Red Zone woes. I would prefer Nelson or Cook, who can be taught how to block. Sypniewski has already shown he is a NFL quality blocking TE.
My main reservation with that plan would be… are you confident in the Eagles ability to teach a TE how to block? There’s certainly no evidence yet to support the idea that they can.
I goff at this assertation and point to LJ Smith and Brent Celek as proof of this excellent strategy… oh yeah… wait a second
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Leave Celek out of this …
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Jason, the key tactic that addresses TE blocking is the RFA signing. Sypniewski has demonstrated excellent blocking skills/production in his tenure with the Ravens. I just don’t see accepting Pettigrew’s lesser speed and receiving skills just to get his improved blocking as a good tradeoff.
Drafting Lydon Murtha from Nebraska to be a developmental blocking TE wouldn’t be a bad option either.
Sypniewski tore his ACL off of the bone … is he even going to be ready to play by pre season? will this guy even get a chance to learn the playbook? I’d rather draft someone with that 5th round pick we’d lose signing a RFA.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
pettigrew
is a stud and is better than celek .. celek is a nice second tight end to have .. but pettigrew is better in all aspects of the game .. hes bubba franks with better receiving skills .. no hes not gonna be a dominant pass catching TE like tony G or gates .. but he certainly can be as good as olsen and better than celek .. celek was amazing down the stretch but i think we are over rating him a bit
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions
you realize that Pettigrew has yet to play in the NFL so saying he is better than Celek just makes you look misinformed right?
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
hahaahahah
dude get out of here with your brett celek love .. pettigrew is better .. i dont care what you say .. theres a reason hes the concensus number one TE in this draft and Celek almost went undrafted .. i like celek ..hes a good number 2 TE but he cant block anyone and his pass catchin was only proven for half a season .. where is pettigrew was dominant in college at his postion …. hahahaha brent celek over petigrew .. you people are rediculous
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 5:00 PM EDT up reply actions
mikell did go undrafted
and he’s playing extremely well.
as for a list of other first round picks….
fredex
jerome mcdougle
mike mamula
tim couch
insert name of one of the 23904723489 busts here.
just because they have high draft stock doesn’t mean they will play well at the next level. conversely, just because they went undrafted doesn’t mean they suck at the NFL level. mikell I think played great last year, and he was undrafted…
mikell
hes good but hes no ed reed .. or landry for that matter .. young stud safteys usually go on the first day .. mikell is good because jim johnson is such a great coach and puts him in postion to suceed .. on any other team he might be nothing more than a career back up .. and his play making ability is nothing compared to the stud playmaking dbs taken in the first round
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 6:15 PM EDT up reply actions
mikell was the best safety we had last year.
the guy stops the run and covers well. what more do you want? i’m not putting him up there with ed reed…yet. i do however think he is as good as landry. mikell could go out and be a starter for most teams.
no way
hes no where need landry .. hes a nice little player .. demps has more upside .. he wouldnt be a starter on a lot of teams .. he fits jim johnsons system nicely
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 10:33 PM EDT up reply actions
how can you say that demps has more upside?
you are just talking to make noise. demps is a poor tackler. how many interceptions did he have last year? he was out there a lot. i’m not saying he can’t be a quality player down the line, but as of now. he’s not all that good. mikell should of been in the pro bowl. his numbers were great. you can be dismissive all you want. his production speaks for itself.
demps
is more physically gifted .. bigger .. faster .. he was a rookie .. hes gonna be something special .. where as mikkell can be solid .. but not much more
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions
Dude really you can’t judge a player before he plays in the league
Tony Gonzalez round 1 1997
Other round 1 TEs in 1997 David LaFleur (who?)
Jason Witten round 3 2003
Dallas Clark, Bennis Joppru, LJ Smith and Teyo Johnson were taken before him
Owen Daniels round 4 2006
Vernon Davis, Marcedes Lewis, Joe Klopfenstein, Anthony Fasano, Tony Scheffler, Leonard Pope, David Thomas, Dominique Byrd were taken before him
Chris Cooley round 3 2004
Kellen Winslow, Ben Watson, Ben Troupe, Kris Wilson, Ben Harsock were taken before him
Those were the top 4 TEs this year … there were plenty of no names taken before those guys with the exception of Tony G. Let’s wait until he plays to anoint him king of TEs from this years draft.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
no
im already confident hes the best te in this draft .. you can have shawn nelson and ingram .. pettigrew is a stud .. and you forget to mention guys like shockey .. olsen .. winslow .. all high picks and all very good tes and a lot better than brent celek .. 3rd round is basically first day .. it was untill they changed the format .. so the good tes go high .. and brent celek is not on any of the guys mentioned above level .. i rank him in the 20s for tes
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 8:30 PM EDT up reply actions
I never said he was better then any of those guys. You clearly missed the point. I did mention Winslow actually … those were last years top 4 TEs in the league in receiving and then the TEs drafted before them in the same draft. My point is that just because someone is projected to be better or drafted high doesn’t mean they will be better in the NFL.
Your opinion is what it is but until it is substantiated by fact it is still nothing more then an opinion. As of right now Brent Celek is a better NFL TE than Brandon Pettigrew given the fact that Pettigrew has yet to play an NFL game. Pettigrew might become better then Celek, but as we stand here today he is not.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
noo
it makes no sense .. the second pettigrew puts on a uniform he is better than celek .. and if the eagles draft him he automatically starts over him .. and celek only plays in 2 te sets .. every nfl gm would agree and trade pettigrew for celek 1000 times over
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 11:12 PM EDT up reply actions
HAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHA
THANK GOD you don’t run an NFL team.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
yea
i would win .. wait and see .. if pettigrew is drafted .. hes the man at TE
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 12:23 PM EDT up reply actions
if ur serious
that every gm wouldnt take pettigrew over celek .. than thats really hilarious ..
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 12:24 PM EDT up reply actions
you seem to know a bit..
but i agree with d3keith, seems a little eagle centric.
and im not sold on peteres. to give up the most amount of sacks in the league. it just doesnt seem right. i think we have guys in place to fill the void.
but i do like your other picks. who knows all this talk about the draft makes me go nuts.
"Never give in, never, never, never, never, in nothing great or small, large or petty, never give in except to convictions of honor and good sense. Never yield to force; never yield to the apparently overwhelming might of the enemy.
Why is it better....
to take a headcase LT but not a headcase WR. I dont like either very much. Maybe it is just because I am not a huge Peters fan. The guy busted his butt to make himself into a starting LT in the NFL. Then demanded more money in the form of an extenstion when he hadn’t even played the position yet. He gets the extension and then has a great year because he is happy. Look foward one year and he isn’t happy again. So the guy returns to less than stellar form. That is called a character issue and I really do not see the Eagles jumping into that fray. I don’t want a headcase on the team no matter what their position, LT, WR,TE,QB it doesn’t matter. I don’t think the FO wants a player of that mindset either.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Apr 1, 2009 6:16 AM EDT reply actions
Then demanded more money in the form of an extenstion when he hadn’t even played the position yet. He gets the extension and then has a great year because he is happy.
That’s not completely true. Yeah, Peters got the extension after (less than) a season of playing (right) tackle, but the Bills approached his agent, not vice versa. Peters didn’t ask for the first extension; it was given to him. The Bills have been notorious for handing out deals similar to that to young talent – Terrence McGee, Roscoe Parrish, Kyle Williams and Brad Butler are just four examples that all got similar extensions.
The only times Peters has “demanded” an extension have been the past two off-seasons.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 8:00 AM EDT up reply actions
So in that case he was offered the deal, accepted, played for one year on it, and then demanded a new deal?? Still seems like something the Eagles shouldn’t invest too much interest in.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Apr 1, 2009 8:42 AM EDT reply actions
no problem
i dont care about that .. because the nfl doesnt have guarenteed contracts .. if you went on strike at work no one would say shut up and work .. its your job! .. see if they had guranteed contracts like in every other sport it would be differnt .. but since they dont i agree with players holding out .. the nfl career is like average of 4 1/2 years .. dont quote me on that .. thats an educated guess .. so all you really get guarnteed is the signing bonus .. so holding out is not such a terreble thing to do if you feel you are grossly underpaid
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions
none of these guys are grossly underpaid
they make millions to play a game. i love watching them do this, and i’m not saying they shouldn’t get a big hunk of cash because their play brings in so much money, but don’t tell me they’re underpaid. they whine about not making mega millions, when people with actually important jobs (i.e. teachers) get around 40K a year. my heart breaks for them…
ok
i knew this was coming! the point is not that the nfl is over paid in general .. they make the money .. its not going to change .. but compared to other players playing the same position they are .. is boldin underpaid ? yes .. i think so .. it doesnt matter what hes making .. if he performs at that level he deserves the going rate .. the nfl salary is another debate .. but holding out for money that you deserve based on your pay is perfectly acceptable
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 4:36 PM EDT up reply actions
Actually, he was offered the deal in July of 2006, accepted, and then played it out for two years. During the first season, he was switched from RT to LT during the team’s mid-season bye week. He spent 1.5 years as a LT on his current deal, made a Pro Bowl in the process, and at that point he began to seek a new deal.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 9:51 AM EDT up reply actions
exactly
so do you agree that he has right to ask for a new deal?
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 10:45 AM EDT up reply actions
Oh, absolutely. He’s severely underpaid as an upper-tier NFL LT. He’s just not worth what he’s demanding of Buffalo, and because the Bills aren’t going to do anything to effect their on-field performance in 2009 negatively, they HAVE to do something with him, and soon. That’ll help teams trying to trade for him – the Bills lose a little bit of negotiating leverage. I believe he can be had for less than a first-round pick; a second and a third or fourth might do the trick.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 12:22 PM EDT up reply actions
i agree
i was thinking a second and a 5th actually .. but were on the same level .. he deserves atleast walter jones money .. i dont think gross is the best tackle in the league tho .. but hes being paid like it .. so he has an argument .. either way .. i understand why he wants a new deal
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 4:37 PM EDT up reply actions
That’s a scenario Eagles fans are familiar with. Young player gets a nice raise/extension, outplays the contract, then wants another raise.. Sometimes they get it, most of the time they don’t.
No need to. None of the teams in #22 through #27 have need for an RB, and they do have other needs that will cause them to pick BPAs other than Moreno.
true
but i never blame the player for thinking he deserves more money .. i hate that shut up and play you signed the contract logic .. to be honest
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 11:33 AM EDT up reply actions
so say the player signs a contract with a huge signing bonus and performs far below the standards that are expected… should the team then be able to say, “well you didn’t play as well as we thought you would so give us some money back”
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
noo
signing bonus is money they pay you to sign .. its a bonus . its like verizon giving you a 100 dollars to get a phone from them instead of AT&T .. but a team can release that player if they feel he is underperforming. . the player cant opt out of his deal if he is overachieving .. thus it is unfair
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 4:39 PM EDT up reply actions
ok so if I pay a player as the number 1 WR in the NFL but he only performs say like the 15th best WR in the league can I get a refund? It works both ways.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
no
your logic is stupid .. because teams can cut players if they underperform .. typical fan response .. only care about themselves and not whats in the best interest for the players. . it goes both ways .. if a guy outperforms his contract i say get paid or hold out
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
buffalo rumblings
help me out here buddy lol i know your with me
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 5:02 PM EDT up reply actions
we can't cut reggie brown
even though we pay him starting WR money, he would incur a big cap hit if we cut him…so in reality, the team can’t just cut players. if they are talented, and make sure their contract is structured well, they can protect themselves from getting cut. at the very least, large cap hits are incentive for the team not to cut the player, even if they grossly underperform (i.e. inactive players who were paid started money…reggie brown…)
technically we could
they can absorb the cap hit for this year .. didnt the raiders just do this with gibril wilson and deangelo hall ? yea no money is gurantedd . your wrong .. the nfl needs guarnateed contracts like the other sports
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 6:16 PM EDT up reply actions
yeah and that cap hit comes from his prorated signing bonus… the same concept that you just spoke about that you didn’t seem to agree with
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
exactly…if a player underperforms his contract the teams leverage is to cut his ass, if a player overperforms his leverage is to hold out.
I dont think many football fans think holding out is necessarily wrong…just in certain contexts. there is a right way and a wrong way to ask for a new contract. Westbrook made it quietly known that he was unhappy with his contract, he took his concerns directly to the front office, and they gave him a hefty new deal. T.O. on the other hand staged a national sympathy campaign through the media, making it seem like he was living in poverty and that the Eagles were evil for not giving in to his demands. all that “I need to feed my family” crap is largely the reason T.O.’s hold out was wrong.
and the NFL will never and should never have guranteed contracts. there are just to many injuries and players decline faster than any other league. The fact that players are not guranteed all the money provides incentive for them to work hard and earn the money. Do you really want the NFL to be like the NBA where one bad contract can damn a franchise for a decade? do you really want it to be like major league baseball where Manny Ramirez can sign a huge deal only to choose when he plays with faked injuries?
typical fan response .. only care about themselves and not whats in the best interest for the players
Wasn’t it you who said you should only care about yourself?
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
yea
for the players .. they should only care about themselves .. who cares what the fans want … they are gonna pay to see you either way
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 8:32 PM EDT up reply actions
28 is a more likle trade, as Moreno doesn't slide down to 28,
If we want Moreno, we grab him 21
City of Champions!
IF
If this happens the line is:
Peters-Herramans-Jackson(maybe Cole)-Andrews-Andrews
To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her
by XxBleedGreen5xX on Apr 1, 2009 10:11 AM EDT reply actions
Wrong Line
I disagree, and expect the line would be Peters – Andrews – JJ – Andrews – Herremans
No thanks
To break the bank AND lose a 1st round pick for a questionable talent like Jason Peters is unacceptable.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 1, 2009 10:18 AM EDT reply actions
I forgive if I’m wrong but isn’t Peters more of a “Run Blocking” LT? While guys like Lynch and Jackson have had success at the RB position, their QB’s in Losman and Edwards have been sacked to hell.
Peters was credited with 11.5 sacks allowed in 13 games last year versus Tra Thomas who was credited for 2 sacks. Thomas was more of a “Pass Blocking” LT and didn’t bring a whole lot to the run game in my opinion but look at our head coach. It’s obvious he runs a pass first offense so why bring in a run blocking LT? I say there’s no way he does it.
Naturally a LT should be fairly good at both things but the strengths at ability to run or pass block can be vastly different (ie Khalif Barnes Run>Pass). If you’re a 300 lb individual you might be stud when you need to plow a defender forward and then be a stiff when you need to plant your legs into the ground and hold a bull rush at bay.
I’d love to hear some poetic waxing from the BuffaloRumblings on Peters abilities on running plays versus passing plays. There’s certainly a different approach by the offensive line in run versus pass.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 1, 2009 10:31 AM EDT up reply actions
While guys like Lynch and Jackson have had success at the RB position, their QB’s in Losman and Edwards have been sacked to hell.
You shouldn’t pigeon-hole Peters as one-dimensional simply because J.P. Losman and Trent Edwards have been sacked a lot. I’m sure I don’t need to tell you that those two guys haven’t been very good. Why should Peters shoulder the blame when our quarterbacks take more sacks than most NFL quarterbacks?
I’ll agree that Peters, at this point, is a better run blocker than pass blocker. I’d go so far as to call Peters one of the more dominant run-blocking left tackles in the game. That doesn’t mean his pass protection is bad, though. It’s actually very impressive the VAST majority of the time. His athleticism is severely underrated. Playing for a guy like Reid, I’ve no doubt he’d improve in this area, particularly when factoring in the overall awesome of Donovan McNabb.
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by Brian Galliford on Apr 1, 2009 12:25 PM EDT up reply actions
Make me vomit
Or, please don’t.
Peters is worth our second-round choice alone. Maybe. He played with absolutely no focus at all last year, and that’s at a position where lack of focus totally destroys the entire team. Unless he’s at a significantly reduced price, no thanks.
your wrong ..
hes a stud offensive tackle and they are a premium .. i think a second and a 5th nets him .. but thats because buffalo really has no leverage .. on talent hes probably worth the 28th pick more than boldin is because stud tackles are so rare
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 4:41 PM EDT up reply actions
he’s not that great a tackle, I’ve watched him play and he is good at run blocking but struggles and needs chips to help him out in pass protection.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
o really?
have u really studyed tape on him? hes dominant .. and hes certainly among the top ten tackles in the league
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 5:03 PM EDT up reply actions
Peters one deserving pro bowl and offseason antics somehow made him a household name. He’s a very good run blocking LT which means he’d be a monster improvement for the eagles on less than 40% of plays. He’s not worth a high round pick AND big big money. Totally overrated.
by andyreidswaistline on Apr 1, 2009 6:12 PM EDT up reply actions
yes he is dominant in run blocking he is mediocre in pass protection.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
exactly what you dont want on an offense that throws well over 60% of the time. a good tackle with average pass blocking skills can look like a shit tackle real quick in our offense
what
where is this average in pass blocking thing coming from? hes a stud all around tackle .. your all misled by the fact that he allowed some sacks .. hes a stud in pass protection as well .. i hope we get peters .. im glad the organization knows more than you guys .. peters is a stud .. go get him .. 2nd and a 5th !
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 8:33 PM EDT up reply actions
what do you base your thoughts on?
you watch tape? then why is it that when whodie says he watched the guy play and observes something else whodie is wrong and you are right?
your [sic] all misled by the fact that he allowed some sacks
Left Tackle
1. Ryan Clady (Broncos) 0.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
2. Michael Roos (Titans) 1.0 sacks allowed (16 starts) PRO-BOWL
3. Tra Thomas (Eagles) 2.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
3. Orlando Pace (Rams) 2.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
5. Jake Long (Dolphins) 2.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
6. Jordan Gross (Panthers) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts) PRO-BOWL
6. Jammal Brown (Saints) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Jared Gaither (Ravens) 3.0 sacks allowed (15 starts)
6. Marcus McNeill (Chargers) 3.0 sacks allowed (14 starts)
6. Tony Ugoh (Colts) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
6. Chris Samuels (Redskins) 3.0 sacks allowed (12 starts) PRO-BOWL
6. Todd Weiner (Falcons) 3.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
13. Walter Jones (Seahawks) 3.5 sacks allowed (12 starts) PRO-BOWL
14. D’Brickashaw Ferguson (Jets) 4.0 sacks allowed (16 starts)
14. Bryant McKinnie (Vikings) 4.0 sacks allowed (12 starts)
14. Max Starks (Steelers) 4.0 sacks allowed (11 starts)
17. Joe Thomas (Browns) 4.5 sacks allowed (16 starts) PRO-BOWL
17. Branden Albert (Cheifs) 4.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
19. Levi Brown (Bengals) 5.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
20. Mike Gandy (Cardinals) 6.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
21. David Diehl (Giants) 6.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
22. Flozell Adams (Cowboys) 7.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Khalif Barnes (Jags) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Matt Light (Pats) 7.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
23. Chad Clifton (Packers) 7.5 sacks allowed (15 starts)
23. Kwame Harris (Raiders) 7.5 sacks allowed (11 starts)
27. Joe Staley (49ers) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
28. Donald Penn (Bucs) 8.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
29. Jeff Backus (Lions) 9.25 sacks allowed (16 starts)
30. John St. Clair (Bears) 9.75 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Duane Brown (Texans) 11.5 sacks allowed (16 starts)
31. Jason Peters (Bills) 11.5 sacks allowed (13 starts) PRO-BOWL
does that look like some sacks to you? how can you consider him a stud in pass protection? …and he did that in just 13 starts!
yea
with an immobile qb who stayed in the pocket .. he made the probowl for a reason .. thank god someone who matters can recognize talent
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 11:14 PM EDT up reply actions
oh...
kerry collins rushing yards in 2008 – 49 yards
trent edwards rushing yards in 2008 – 117 yards
so just to make this clear… trent edwards leaves the pocket to rush more than kerry collins… yet, peters is number 31 on the list and roos (from the titans) in number 2. the facts don’t match up with your claims.
titans
are a running team who only drop back to pass a few times a game .. edwards was dropping back and waiting for evans to get open .. so thats why .. dont compare him to kerry collins who doesnt throw the ball hardly
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 12:26 PM EDT up reply actions
It doesn’t matter how mobile your QB is if you can give him enough time to pass the ball, see: Manning/Brady/Warner end of argument.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
what!
peyton releases the ball so much faster .. a young inexperieced qb like edwards holds it and stays in the pocket .. he gets more coverage sacks where manning would of threw the ball away
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 12:27 PM EDT up reply actions
what
dude im done arguing you .. didnt this guy make the all pro team? hes a stud .. edwards is the reason he gave up sacks .. if i stood in the pocket .but had walter jones and pace protecting me eventually id get sacked
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 10:34 PM EDT up reply actions
no way
hes worth walter jones type money .. maybe not gross money .. but hes a stud and hes better than any of the tackles on this roster .. hes a lot better than stacy andrews .. and sean needs to stay at guard where he already is an all pro .. peters is the best move they can make .. id rather have peters than any wr. .
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 6:18 PM EDT reply actions
yeah hes good… goodenough to give up 11 sacks last year
hmmmm how many did tra give up? oh thats right 2
hahaha
tra vs peters ..hahaha .. thats like saying you would rather have mikkell over ed reed hahahahah tras old .. peters is in his prime .. you guys are retarted
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 8:34 PM EDT up reply actions
dude shut up
no one can admit im right .. fine if you wanna see rice is the best and most dominant ever ill agree and go with it .. he has all the records .. but than you have to agree with me and say brett is the best ever because he has all the records and won a superbowl .. thats my comprimise .. ill say im wrong about rice when you say in right about favre
by jack is better than asante on Apr 1, 2009 11:16 PM EDT up reply actions
where did WR come in?
this thread was about peters, as far as i can tell. and all i did was point out that you ironically spelled retarded wrong. yah, i said i wouldn’t correct your spelling and don’t care, but i also don’t care for people using retarded as a derogatory term.
and…i don’t really know much about peters, but i do know that tra did a hell of a job for us…
hey jill.
tra is better than peters. just look at how many sacks thomas allowed vs. peters. i think you have the i.q. of a carrot.
snowhill
i think your a moron .. tra thomas barely got a contract offer .. peters is gonna comand around 10 mil made the pro bowl and an all pro team i believe .. hes a stud .. tra was great .. peters is a younger more athletic version
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions
the difference between me and you is.....
sometimes i actually know what i’m talking about. now why don’t you go masturbate to a video of terrell owens doing sit-ups.
hahaha
someones mad because hes wrong ;-)
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 11:34 PM EDT up reply actions
tra
yea i love tra. . i always said he was a great tackle and hes better than big john .. although everyone seems to love him more .. tra is a borderline hall of famer who wont get in because of the great ots playing at his time .. pace, odgen, walter jones .. .so yea he is great. . but peters is a younger more athletic tra
by jack is better than asante on Apr 2, 2009 12:29 PM EDT reply actions
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