80k people feel the Eagles weren't justified

by topcat6 on Mar 9, 2009 10:42 PM EDT Comment 34 comments

Thanks to the always vigilant 'For your information' crew here on BGN, if first heard about the poor guy that got shit canned for his stupid facebook comment. I can with reasonable confidence say that the collective opinion of BGN was 'He deserved being fired or he should have switched his settings or something to that effect'. Well as unsuprised as all of you should be, I totally and unequivocally disagree with that argument. The thing is 80,000 other people agree with me too.

http://sports.espn.go.com/chat/sportsnation/poll/index?pCat=46&sCat=352

I have been so redundant it has been annoying the shit out of even me. All I say is that you guys are Eagles FO lapdogs and groupies and other stuff like that. Here is yet another example of that. Some passionate fan says something on a stupid site and he gets fired for it. Then (again I think it would be fair to say) ya'll agree with the lame Eagles organization again!!!! WTF?

Doesn't the Bill of Rights in our Constitution permit freedom of expression and press? Seriously, semantics and philology aside, was dude using a Eagles company computer or something?

Does this lame firing continue to add the terrible repuatation of the Eagles FO? I'll tell you one thing ya'll(at least you should) firing someone on the phone is weak and sorry. It makes the organization look really weak(They are, by the way), and if the Eagles FO had a favorite color it wouldn't be green, it would be Yella!!!!

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I agree that the Eagles overreacted. And I think they did so at great risk to their public perception, since they’re already seen as being too businesslike, heartless, etc.

Are you friends with your boss or coworkers on facebook? if so, how would they react if you said they were “retarted”?

Like I said, I think the Eagles overreacted, but common sense should tell someone not to do that. If they’d have fired him for saying “I wish the Eagles would have kept Dawkins”, that would be ridiculous. He could have expressed his opinion without insulting his employer.

Look. I can say “BrianS thinks Andy Reid is (insert insult here).” I don’t work for the team. He reacted as a fan. But, as an employee of the team, he can’t just react as a fan.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Mar 9, 2009 11:09 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

My bosses are thiefs and

I don’t talk to my bosses unless I have to and other than Wednesdays for my check. Yeah, my job is that sad at the moment.

When I have my degree and I have friends and bosses on Facebook, I sure wouldn’t say anything like “Dr.Joe Smo is a retard.” You are all right, he messed up.

If he didn’t sign some type of legal agreement I think he should be able to say whatever he wants. If he didn’t read his contract and it was in there he should be canned. That I feel is obvious.

Is Pa a hire and fire at will state? I know Ca is. I don’t think Pa is though.

by topcat6 on Mar 9, 2009 11:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I’m pretty sure it is.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Mar 9, 2009 11:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Wow, that is news to me bro.

I like your bottem comment. I recently stopped playing Madden 09 because I would get too mad at the game. I thought about the same thing.

Dear EA,
My blood pressure is borderline high. It used to be fine. Send me my check bitches…Just like NFC championship game.

by topcat6 on Mar 9, 2009 11:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I agree

with you from an emotional standpoint. The guy is a fan, and made an emotional comment, we all do that. However, from a business standpoint, an employee needs to have brand-loyalty at least publicly. As much as we want to pretend we can arrange our facebook pages like our bedrooms, the truth is that facebook is very very public.

I think we would like for the Eagles Organization to act like humans and not like a cold, calculated corporation…but in reality, they are a corporation…they’re a business that cares about nothing but money and their brand. If they care about players it’s because the players make them money. If they’re loyal to their employees it’s because a good work environment produces better. Cold. Calculated. We believe in them because they have a good business plan, we don’t believe in them because they’re compassionate and kind.

And our ‘rights’ only protect us from criminal investigation and imprisonment…not from work termination.

"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs

by jalarsen1 on Mar 9, 2009 11:10 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

“However, from a business standpoint, an employee needs to have brand-loyalty at least publicly. As much as we want to pretend we can arrange our facebook pages like our bedrooms, the truth is that facebook is very very public.”

You are right.

Unfortunately you are right again.

Seriously I just am learning about the business plans and strictly business stuff bro. I am way behind I know. I just taking me some time to adapt to this new mentality and all that. I didn’t grow up learning like that and the Marines isn’t like that until you are a high rank.

by topcat6 on Mar 9, 2009 11:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

you're a marine?

Thanks for what you’re doing! It really means a lot!

by jalarsen1 on Mar 10, 2009 9:02 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Not on active duty anymore.

I got off active in 2006, I have 13 more months in the Inactive Ready Reserve. In the Marines you do 4 years active and 4 years inactive.

If they need someone they can call me until next April.

Thanks though.

by topcat6 on Mar 10, 2009 4:12 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

First Amendment argument makes no sense

The first amendment doesn’t protect you from getting fired, it protects you from legal action. The guy wasn’t arrested. And it was stupid, so I disagree with you. Learn to use your social networking sites. There are privacy settings for a reason and if you are friends with people on facebook who you work with, you need to be responsible enough to watch what you post or customize your privacy settings so that they remain blissfully ignorant. Facebook is a public forum whether we like it or not and it must be treated as such. Calling your company retarded is stupid and a fireable offense. Especially when it is that public. Had he merely said “… wishes the Eagles had re-signed Dawkins”, I don’t this is an issue. It was the offensive language aimed at the organization that was most likely the problem. He shouldn’t have been a dumbass. End of story.

by NOLACuse on Mar 10, 2009 12:59 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Actually, I'm wrong.

It doesn’t even protect you from legal action. It protects the citizens from the government telling them what they can and can’t say. There can’t be laws governing speech in other words. Point still stands though. Doesn’t protect you from getting fired.

by NOLACuse on Mar 10, 2009 1:01 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Mmm, ok

Why would I have to learn to use my social networking sites better? I didn’t get fired from the Eagles. You might not be getting something though, this dude was a nobody really, it is stupid that the Eagles cared enough to fire him. I think it is petty and you didn’t say anything about firing this dude over the phone either, was that cool or what? I know, its just business. Running a tight ship is sooo important, all the way to the gate dude.

And I actually thought that maybe he could use the first admendment somehow. Freedom of expression is what I remember about it. Facebook comment is a form of expression.

When I worked at City Tavern on 2nd and Walnut in 2001, I used to argue with my boss all the time(Screaming and insulting too) and say whatever I wanted to him. Nothing ever happened to me. I actually got a raise and more shifts.I guess things are different now or that was an exception.

by topcat6 on Mar 10, 2009 4:25 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Big difference

Disagreements in the workplace are one thing…

If you had dissed the City Tavern around town or on the internet, would they have been so forgiving?

Bleeding Green Nation - Philadelphia Eagles Blog

by JasonB on Mar 10, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You are prolly right.

I didn’t say anything about the Tavern outside of it.

I actually liked working there for some reason. Prolly because they closed so early compared to other restaurants I worked at. You could go to work and still go out after.

by topcat6 on Mar 10, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I enjoy their George Washington themed beer.

I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.

by BrianS on Mar 10, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

You didn't pay attention to what I wrote.

First Amendment protects him from being prosecuted for what he said, but not fired. A private company can’t violate your First Amendment rights. At least, there has never been a Supreme Court ruling to that effect that I am aware of, though I could be wrong (anyone know for certain?).

Sorry I used “you”. It’s poor writing form, I should have said “one” or “he” or “he/she”.
I don’t think the way the Eagles handled it was classy, but they were within their rights in firing him.
And good for you with your boss. I am the same way with my boss (not screaming and insulting, but I don’t have a fear of him seeing my Facebook in any form). Some organizations/companies/corporations/individuals are cooler about these things than others. But at the same time, arguing or even insulting your boss at the workplace (in private) is completely different than calling him out on one of the biggest public places imaginable.

by NOLACuse on Mar 10, 2009 12:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Ok

Yeah, I didn’t know that homie.

I really thought that your company would have to respect you.

I always see people protesting and talking bad about their job. I guess since the Union is different they wouldn’t have the same rules.

Thanks

by topcat6 on Mar 10, 2009 4:16 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

by southjersey89 on Mar 10, 2009 9:32 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

i really think this is the wrong firing to be upset about. back in december the nfl announced it was cutting jobs

this guy did something to warrant firing. whether you agree with the eagles for firing him or not is a different issue, but at least he did something. on the other hand, the people laid off by the nfl because of the recession is a genuine case of the wealthier execs in the NFL padding their pockets and i can’t say i heard much outrage. I can’t say i understand all of the ins and outs of the nfl accouting world, and profits and such, but i do understand that 7 billion dollars is a lot of money. I also understand that goodell is making a lot of money why couldn’t he take a paycut and allow those 150 people to stay? i’m sure even he could manage with less, and keep people who likely need a job more than him anyways.

i really think this isn’t nearly as bad. maybe i missed the outrage a few months ago, but i don’t recall any…

by eagleyosh on Mar 10, 2009 1:21 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

I wrote this post twice. In the first one, I mentioned the NFL firing all the workers because of the recession. I messed it up and forgot to mention the NFL executives firing all those workers. I totally agree with you, bro that was some BS. This dude did do something stupid and he put himself at risk. I am not denying that at all. You are also right that it is another arguement if you agree or not. I feel the latter as you know.

I aint sure but I think Goodell did take a pay cut like a month later. I have no idea if they rehired some people or not. 7 Billion per year? That’s a good business. It would only take them a billion years to pay back our national stimulus plans that their corporate sponsers have gotten…

by topcat6 on Mar 10, 2009 4:47 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

80,000?

Never underestimate the power of dumb people in large groups

"In a couple of weeks or a month, I'll be excited about this team," Dawkins said. "I've got to get used to saying that -- I'm a Bronco." Then he paused. "I'll tell you one thing -- I'll always be an Eagle."

by exitfare on Mar 10, 2009 1:24 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Especially those who have so little info.

Bleeding Green Nation - Philadelphia Eagles Blog

by JasonB on Mar 10, 2009 7:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Large groups of people with intelligence? No way!!!

“Never underestimate the power of dumb people in large groups.”

Well that certainly has to be a rule or something.

Firing a stupid ass Security Guard(What I do right now) over a Facebook comment? That is something else entirely though. Don’t want to sound too anti-semitic, so I will stop talking now.

Jeff Lurie: “We need a tight ship around here.”

Joe “Nickel Bags” Banner: " Ok boss, did you hear that the gate guy called us retarted?

Jeff Lurie: “You need to make an example of him, everyone needs to see what happens when you don’t play on our team.”

Joe “Nickel Bags” Banner: “I’ll call him in right away.”

Jeff Lurie: “Noo, What are you stupid or something?”

Joe “Nickel Bags” Banner: “Huh?”

Jeff Lurie: “Opening the gate to let him in will raise our electric bill by a nickel.” “Call him with your cell personal cell phone!!!!”

by topcat6 on Mar 10, 2009 4:39 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

Argument going downhill

must resort to quasi-logic, insults and rediculous hypothetical situations.

You’re taking too much offense to it. Office politics happen every day, in much less public forums. If the guy was top notch, he would probably still be with the team. A top notch employee however realizes that he has to stick with the company’s decision when it is made. I too am speculating, but you’re way over reacting.

It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Mar 10, 2009 8:59 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

to think that Lurie or Banner were even bothered with this is naive. They probably read about it in the paper just like everyone else.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 10, 2009 9:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I was the guy who posted that, and most of the people disagreed with me. I still say it just shows a huge amount of arrogance.

I'm not ready to move on from #20.

by LeonSA on Mar 10, 2009 5:15 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

1st Amendment, are you kidding??

First of all, I don’t think its a good idea to rush to judgement when the only info we have is the sob story from the guy who got fired. Maybe this comment wasn’t the only thing that lead to his fiing, just the last straw. However, trying to use the first amendment in this case is absolutely ridiculous. I can assure you the amendment doesn’t protect your right to call your boss retarded on a public website.

by djubirds on Mar 10, 2009 9:02 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

First of all, I don’t think its a good idea to rush to judgement when the only info we have is the sob story from the guy who got fired.

AMEN … people really are sheep, I can’t believe so many people could be so blind. I know for a fact that if I used a derogatory term towards any member of my company in private or public forum I would be fired on the spot, it’s company policy. I’m willing to be the Eagles have the same.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 10, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Well it does protect you.

You can’t go to jail for it and there can’t be a law saying you can’t do it. But your boss sure as hell can fire you for it.

by NOLACuse on Mar 10, 2009 12:14 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

I said it before I'll say it again.

If you dislike what they do you have to make a point to them. The fans pay for everything they love. Nobody is ever going to boycott the Eagles in any numbers but you can still make a point. I suggested giving them nickels. Some people think just writing that they piss you off will get their attention but it hasn’t worked that I have seen. If 80,000 people are angry 80,000 nickles show up. Its a bit harder to ignore.

by bringbackhc17 on Mar 10, 2009 10:46 AM EDT reply actions 0 recs

i think they would simply have 10 interns rolling nickles and pocket their free $16K… They might fire more people in that case

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Mar 10, 2009 10:54 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

seriously ...

send me your nickels … I’ll take care of this for you.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 10, 2009 11:39 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

maybe you should work for the front office

offer players nickle contracts. Say “This is a 80M nickle contract”. When they say “How much is that?” you can say “$16M”. Then, when they get home and find out they just signed a $4M contract in nickles, thier name will already be on the dotted line.

I just hope they don’t hire you to work the books and do the taxes as well as your nickle contract role.

It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Mar 10, 2009 9:39 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs

Whodie is totally right. When you go to court you wait until all of the evidence is available. We know that both sides are not out and no one really knows what every aspect of the whole story is. But when there is smoke there is almost always fire. The Eagles orgainzation is soo annoying and I personally am really frutrated with them and most Philadelphians would agree with me.

So, this compiled with all the other cheap and petty things they do is what promted such a response.

Ya’ll know I wouldn’t care if they were cheap and we were winning title after title(Or just one). I really wish that this Draft is going to amazing and our team goes and wins the superbowl. Until then, they don’t have much leeway. And just for the record when we win the superbowl Reid gets all of the vidication in my book. I could never care about Jeff Lurie and his corporate Sheep.

by topcat6 on Mar 10, 2009 4:25 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

WHy do you think Philly fans are bothered by the FO?

Every year we have a shot. They make tough decisions against the grain and usually come up on the better end of it. We’re not the Lions. No, we’re not the Patriots either, but we are always in the running for a title. We won’t be at the pre Donovan level for a long, long time if things keep going this way. There are things that I disagree with, but I’m not unhappy with them as a whole. For every 1 decision that I think they should make and don’t, they make 10 more that they are right about. This firing is a firing. You know nothing about it, but what the guy is crying about. Have you ever gotten fired from a job and omitted some things when you told your story for sympathy/ to save face? If I am a FO lapdog, you’re an unemployed man’s balls sniffer.

It took my two years to come up with an avatar and sig
and this is the best I could come up with.

by einman77 on Mar 10, 2009 9:33 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs