Safety Sean Jones to visit Eagles
by JasonB on Mar 5, 2009 6:00 PM EST
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It's a busy down there at the Novacare complex. Just a few minutes after they announced that Greg Lewis was traded, they announced that safety Sean Jones will be in town for a visit tomorrow.
Jones is coming off three very straight very productive years in Cleveland. In 06 and 07 he averaged over 100 tackles per season and he's snagged 14 INTs over the past 3 years. Jones has started at strong safety for the Browns but played more free safety in college.
Jones is 6'1, 220 and just celebrated his 27th birthday. Seems like this would be a very solid signing if it happened.
Also, I would suggest you NOT do a google image search for Sean Jones.
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Copy and Paste from the fanpost over yonder, but
Terry Pluto – of the Cleveland Plain Dealer – on Sean Jones
some excerpts:
The Browns wisely de clined to tag safety Sean Jones their franchise player, meaning he’d be paid about $6.3 million. Instead, he will be a free agent at the end of the month. The more I watch Jones, the less I know about him – other than he seems average. When healthy, he’s a strong tackler against the run. But he had knee surgery early last season, missing four games and that seemed to cost him mobility. He never was an asset on pass coverage.
and
…the safety combination of Jones and Brodney Pool was nearly as much of a problem in the secondary last season as young cornerbacks Eric Wright and Brandon McDonald. They certainly didn’t seem to give those kids on the corner a lot of help – and Jones has been especially vulnerable defending tight ends over the years.
Let’s not spend too much on Mikell’s backup.
So whats going on with Springs?
"If they end up 2-14 and both of those wins came against Dallas, that's a pretty good year."
yes, but if you count coaches as part of the NFL, he’d be the second… see Reid, Andy
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
see… we’re on the same wavelength
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
LOL
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Big Red built his body, alright
It is sort of funny seeing pictures of Andy before he came to Philadelphia and after. He added a complete 2nd person to his girth.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Mar 5, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
Except for the fact that...
…the two skin tones make him look like he had severe burns, pretty damn good job.
not a perfectionist unless you turn the brightness on your screen wayyyyyyyyy up
by andyreidswaistline on Mar 5, 2009 7:05 PM EST up reply actions
We need someone with experience
He’s probably the best of what’s left as far as free agent safties especially considering the Bucs just re-signed Jermaine Phillips.
14 ints in the past 3 years is pretty impressive.
The road to victory!
Just one quip …
the Eagles whiffed on veteran cornerback Shawn Springs, …… Hopefully the Eagles don’t let him get out of town as they did with Springs.
If the Eagles wanted Springs he would never left town …
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
yeah that turned into a weird situation. they scheduled the media meeting well beforehand. that usually means they have a good idea that they will sign him. i think what happened was he was told he’d have to comete with demps to start and he wanted to be named the starter. they couldn’t reach commom ground and he agreed to at least speak to the media anyway so they all didn’t look like asshats… he said he’d think it over, but chose the Pats. i can respect that
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
*compete
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
If they ink this kid, I honestly don’t think he’s here to be a backup. We’ll all pretty much agree that he’s the best of what’s left. If that’s the case, he can probably land a starting job somewhere. He’s been a starter for the past three years. I don’t think he’s coming here under the assumption that he’s not gonna at least have a fairly good shot at starting. There’s been whispers here and there that Demps needs at least another year behind some experienced players.
If that’s the case, this would make sense. I know he’s been a FS, but I would see Mikell moving over to FS and Jones stepping in as our SS. I still think this guy is a little problematic in coverage, but we just had a whole season of covering up for that issue, so no big deal. I’d like to see something that looks like 3 years, $12ish M. Year two and three have small roster bonuses. Most guar. money in year 1. If Demps is ready to go next year, we retain Jones for the second year and phase him out a bit/keep him as backup. If by the end of year 2, Demps is in the driver’s seat, we dump or trade Jones before year three. If Demps falls on his face (I don’t think that happens), then we have insurance for a few years until we can find a long term solution.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
a guy who is averaging 4.67 INTs over the past 3 years (1 of them shortened) … I’ll take that sort of problematic coverage.
His stat line this year reads 4 pass defense 4 interceptions … so that is 30 PD and 14 INTs (~50%) in the past 3 years … I’ll say it again … I’ll take that sort of problematic coverage
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
not sayin i won’t… i hope we pull the trigger… i’m just sayin that if you look at roy williams in 05-07, this kid is only averaging 1.3 more picks per year than him in a three year time frame… that’s one tipped ball that lands a foot closer to you than away from you. i like what he offers at a good price given what’s out there… i will even concede the 2 long tds that he’s going to give up due to bad reads…
the one upside to this kid over Williams is that it seems like he’s more athletic with Williams, but he just hasn’t done the work in the film room. maybe some time with people like Brown, Mikell, Samuel, and Hanson (who are all big film guys) can change his ways a bit and we’ll see some of these shortcomings diminish
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Cleveland
The people on Dawgs by Nature have some negative things to say about his pass coverage skills. But their D-Line gets very little pressure so those D-Backs probably don’t have it easy.
Ray Didinger was on Comcast and said...
That Sean Jones is more of a strong safety. That the Eagles would probably have to move Quintin Mikell to free safety. Didinger seemed to think it could be a good signing.
And just to bust your shoes a little, JasonB, you went a little G Cobb on this article:
Jones is coming off three very straight very productive years in Cleveland.
Jones was very straight? Hey, no one was questioning the guy’s sexuality. Not that there’s anything wrong with that if there is a reason to question.
by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Mar 5, 2009 8:13 PM EST reply actions
if you guys are complaining about dawk in pass coverage well this guy isnt any better. but he is great he can come up and be the physical type guy dawk was to me he is a poor mans dawk i would love to have him.
i would argue that his coverage liability is due to poor film study habbits that can be corrected… his athletic ability is probably superior at this point (27 versus 36). his mobility was bad this year due to a knee injury (i believe it was a knee). maybe with a full offseason to rehab, he regains what he lost. he is most definitely faster and can cover ground better. hopefully with some adjustments to study habbits due to his new teammates, we can take care of some of these issues
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
poor film study habits
what leads you to believe he has poor film study habits? Perhaps he will perform even better simply because he would be coached by JJ in a JJ defense. I like it; from a playing perspective, I believe an upgrade from Dawk.
First 2 years as a starter:
Let’s take a look at the first two years as a starter for some of the league’s best safeties in comparison:
Ed Reed: 12 int 27 PD 156 tackles
Troy Polamalu: 7 int 22 Pd 194 tackles
Brain Dawkins: 6 int 20 pd 150 tackles
Sean Jones: 10 int 26 pd 207 tackles
Last 3 years:
Ed Reed: 21 int 38 PD 140 tackles
Troy Polamalu: 10 int 36 Pd 208 tackles
Brain Dawkins: 6 int 25 pd 210 tackles
Sean Jones: 14 int 30 pd 263 tackles
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
nice comparison… i like
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Whodie – I just wanted to take a little closer look at these. We kind of have to take into account how many games each person played. So I took these stats, divided them by the games played per person in each time period, then multiplied the answer by 16. So what I’m going to post here is basically one season’s worth of production for each player during their first two years as a starter, and then their last three years as you did.
First Two Years
Reed: 6 int 14 PD 78 tackles
Polamalu: 4 int 12 PD 97 tackles
Dawkins: 3 int 11 PD 83 tackles
Jones: 5 int 13 PD 104 tackles
Last Three
Reed: 7 int 14 PD 47 tackles
Polamalu: 4 int 14 PD 83 tackles
Dawkins: 2 int 10 PD 80 tackles
Jones: 5 int 11PD 96 tackles
Crazy that Ed Reed is averaging 30 less tackles per season… but i’m sure that has something to do with the fact that the ball carrier never makes it to his level :-)
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
thanks for that stats Whoodie.
The thing that drives me crazy about stats like INTs is that it can mislead you to a guys true ability. He did play in Cleveland though, I don’t think they get to the QB all that much.
We definitely need to sign a veteran player at Safety, so I think this makes sense. Even with Jones signed, I still think we need to draft some DB support in the first 3 rounds.
by Clyde Simmons on Mar 5, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
sure but
How many times do people throw it at Ed Reed? How many times at Sean Jones? Could be those numbers are inflated because QBs have no fear of throwing it at him…..
Thats what PD is for … I’m pretty sure QBs are terrified to throw at Ed Reed.
I was more interesting in his tackles stat … he seems to be around the ball all the time.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Props to the Browns LBs for letting the ball get past their area of defense.
by andyreidswaistline on Mar 6, 2009 10:10 AM EST up reply actions
I hope..
I really want Demps to have a shot at starting the kid will become a playmaker once he learns the system.
DeSEAN JACKSON THE ONE
Never An Asset In Pass Coverage?
14 picks in 3 years and Terry Pluto of the Plain Dealer thinks Jones was never an asset in pass coverage, is he really a football writer?
I guess he means that Jones is like Asante. He’s great at jumping routes and coming back to the ball for interceptions, but he isn’t the best at locking down receivers. Sometimes he gets burned for a TD, other times he gets an interception for a TD.
by southjersey89 on Mar 5, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
i heard he signed
I live in Pittsburgh now and I get news a little slower but a buddy back home told me he signed tonight, any truth?
Seventy-one percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Brian Dawkins
thats what i thought
thanks brother
Seventy-one percent of the world is covered by water, the rest is covered by Brian Dawkins
sean jones
Get him the hell in here! Now the Fullback! Leonard Weaver or Mike Karney? Do it F.O!
by bulldogpromotions on Mar 6, 2009 1:10 AM EST reply actions
They had better
start signing some quality free agents before March 31 or you guys will be reading about me and how I got thrown out of the Nova Care. I would welcome Sean Jones to the team though.
by cool-rockin-daddy on Mar 6, 2009 4:03 AM EST reply actions
Please....
Just sign him. He just turned 27 and he seems very Dawkins-like in terms of hard-hitting and lining up in the bix against the run, while at the same time most likely being an upgrade in the range and hands categories. Can we expect a news conference to be scheduled soon? I sure hope so…
who
of all the likey fee agent safetys out there Mike Brown is a better fit then sean jones come on now what are the eagles coming to if i dont see something big come draft week it would be a very bad off season
really … Mike Brown? a corner sized safety that hasn’t finished a season in 5 years … (almost did last year) but 2, 6, 12, 1 games in 04-07. He’s not a INT guy, not a Sack guy, not a high Tackle guy … I don’t know how he fits better. He is a defensive leader and a good player but I don’t think he is a better fit at 31 and oft injured then Sean Jones at 27 … (slightly less oft injured)
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Mike Brown track record with injuries is scarey.
by andyreidswaistline on Mar 6, 2009 10:11 AM EST up reply actions
/Cobb'd
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
I see no problem with Sean Jones
depending on whether the Eagles are in rebuilding mode or not…
If they’re rebuilding, probably better to draft a guy in the 2nd round.
If winning now, Sean Jones would not be a bad backup….
Also, report is that Torry Holt might be released…
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/134684-holt-asks-for-release-from-rams-is-philly-a-good-fit
If he's released, I bet Dallas throws a big 'ol pile of money at him.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
does Dallas have a big old pile of money to throw? i’m pretty sure they need to worry about locking up Ware and filling holes in their roster first.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
yes this isn’t baseball.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
a lot of teams
need WR help, but Dallas isn’t one of them between Roy Williams, Miles Austin, Patrick Crayton and Jason Witten. I hate to say it, but Dallas has drafted pretty well over the last few years. Their depth at RB is pretty amazing.
Aging vets are Harrison, Holt, and Owens, and I’m not convinced Owens will land anywhere at the moment.
Holt WILL get a nice 2 year deal somewhere I suspect. Possible the Bears, or Minnesota or any team that needs a possession receiver that can run routes.
Harrison should probably retire, but I suspect a one year deal for locker room presence on a team with young WRs.
Ok, good point. But with the whole salary cap uncertainty can’t teams probably find more ways then ever to get around it? If they can get around cap constraints, we know Jones is willing to spend. You both understand the cap way better than I do, though.
I just can’t imagine that going into the new stadium Jerry Jones isn’t going to try to make a splash somehow — and they already don’t have a first round pick in the draft.
That’s why I was suprised that they let Owens and Williams go yesterday. It just seems like they’re taking a step backward talentwise in ’09 by releasing Owens and letting a marquee name go in Williams, when I expected them to really go for broke this year.
Sorry for the Cobb-ness, I’m posting on very little sleep.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
The thing I see here is that
Jones doesn’t need to make a big splash here. He needs another safety, a starting cornerback, to sign Ware to a multiyear deal and a bit of offensive line depth. Getting rid of TO and Roy Williams was a case of addition by subtraction as well. Williams certainly was getting blown up in coverage at times, and TO was causing locker room problems.
In my view, Dallas has drafted remarkably well despite their bad free agent signings over the last couple years.
Part of me secretly wonders where a remaining big name like Julius Peppers may go, but I’m pretty sure it’s not likely to be Dallas given their lack of draft picks.
Cobb-ness is at a minimum here. If this were the BGN Grammar school, this would be an A+ example. Well, I mean I suppose that if they wanted to, they COULD sign Holt. To do so, I think he’d have to take a very reasonable contract. Given his reputation as a quality player and a non-lockerroom destruction machine, I think he’ll get a nice 2-3 year contract somewhere. Maybe like $6.5-$7M annually. I know the Vikings will go hard after him.
As far as I know right now, the Cowboys have around $16M in cap space left. I’m assuming Ware is looking for a deal somewhere in the neighborhood of $8-$10M for 5 or 6 years. So that’ll take a decent chunk out of their cap. They probably need to set aside atleast $5M more to sign some FAs for depth (depending on how they approach everything) and another little chunk for rookies. I guess they could bank on there never being another salary cap and just use every nickel they have to try to sign Holt, but I think it’ll really handcuff them going forward if a cap is put back in (which I’m sure it will be).
Hard to answer either way. I’m sure they could do it if Jerry wants to, but assuming Holt gets $7M, they’d be paying their WRs over $30M for this season (either in salary or dead money). That’s alot.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Say what you will about the regrettable Browns’ defense, but the secondary wasn’t that bad last season. In fact, Jones led a pretty talented group. And he did so without the help of a consistent pass rush.
-Matt Mosley
Mosley seems to think this kid is legit and with JJ’s scheme helping him out I think this could be a really good thing.
"My worst breakup was with Stacy...It was on a Sunday, we were reading the paper and I said 'I think the Eagles can clinch the NFC East' she looked up and told me it was over." -Kevin from 'The Office"
it's weird
how nobody’s really heard of this guy being available until news breaks out that we’re bringing him in to visit
Maybe next year
there were some guys on here talking about him ...
but you’re right he was under the radar.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
He's meeting the media at 3
Per the Eagles website. Doesn’t mean anything after Springs also met the media, but he could be signed by then.
still not signed as of 3:15
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
according to Dave Spazzaro ...
err Spadaro
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
naaa i think Spaz is accurate
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
I’ll add that I’m optimistic … they didn’t have Eagles live set up for Spings … they do for Jone’s press conference.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
either that or the janitor was on break the other day
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
you to bad it's not working ...
Spaz is freaking out.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
the one thing i can’t do is follow the PC from work. did it even start yet? if so what’s being said
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
they are having technical difficulties on Eagles live … I’m trying to connect.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
oh, not like it’s an important announcement or anything… take your time guys… we’ll wait
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Meanwhile Sean Jones is thinking “Man, if they’re this bad at press conferences, I sure don’t want to sign here.”
Attaboy, Dave.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
yeah if we can’t pull off a presser, he probably just assumes that we’re technologically retarded. he envisions our play diagrams being drawn on Etch-A-Sketch
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
he's signed 1 year deal
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
figures?
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
no details see my fanpost ... as soon as there out me or someone will put them there.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
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