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With the 21st pick in the BGN community mock draft the Philadelphia Eagles select...

Representing the Philadelphia Eagles in the BGN community mock draft Foos05 selects...

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Knowshon Moreno, RB Georgia

As we sit right now on March 30th, I would have to imagine that the bulk of our moves via free agency and/or trades are complete.  We may add a veteran player at some point for depth, but I would assume that, for the most part, our current roster is complete and we will be looking to the draft to not only fill gaps, but to also build for the future.  As our mock draft currently stands, there may have been a few individuals that went lower or higher than we may have initially suspected, but I believe that the players that have been taken are probably a fairly accurate representation of what the actual draft may hold.  So, I’m going to put myself in the War Room and try to evaluate the situation in the same manner that our front office will; so let’s get to it.

Foos05's full analysis plus commish take are after the jump. Goodfell46er and the Minnesota Vikings are on the clock.

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Our Needs

 

In no particular order, let’s take a look at some positions that we may address during the earlier rounds in the draft:

 

Offensive Line – This offseason saw the end of a pair of tenures from two of the best offensive linemen in franchise history; Tra Thomas and Jon Runyan.  We made a significant free agent signing in the person of Stacy Andrews, who was the premier right tackle on the market.  However, the situation is actually a bit sketchy right now and is highly dependant on where Andy feels his current crop of linemen will start next season.  Will the Andrews brother occupy the tackle spots?  This would allow Herremans and Giles to remain as guards.  Will the Andrews brothers occupy the right side of the line?  Herremans would then kick out to left tackle (his natural position) and Giles would be the left guard.  Lots of questions here.

 

We also know that Jamaal Jackson signed a 6 year extension in 2006 and Andy has stuck by his performance thus far this offseason.  Would we really pass up an upgrade at that position anyway?  (Truth be told, Jackson may have signed a long extension, but if he were to be cut now, it would only count as $300K in dead money) 

 

Regardless of where Reid’s head is at with the current offensive line, we will at least draft one offensive linemen relatively early in the draft.  Reid likes to draft tackles, get them experience at guard and then kick them out to tackle.  So I would rule out drafting a guard.  In my opinion, we will either pick up an offensive tackle (probably a left tackle) or a center.  Given what’s left on our draft board, my two possibilities in this category are William Beatty and Alex Mack.

 

Running Back – With the departure of Correll Buckhalter to Denver, aside from our perennial weapon in Brian Westbrook, the cupboard is rather bare.  Right now we have Lorenzo Booker, who is coming off a less than impressive season, and Eldra Buckley; fresh off of a two year stint on the Chargers’ practice squad.  That’s it.  Now, there’s been some debate as to what exactly we should be looking for in a rookie running back; someone to compliment Westbrook (who may or may not be the future) or Westbrook’s eventual replacement.  Westbrook will be on the wrong side of 30 by week 3 and has been pretty nicked up the past few seasons.  It’s a given that he doesn’t have the prototypical touches that a 30 year old running back has, but I’m not sure how much longer he can perform at the level we expect.  With this in mind, I think it’s time to look for his future replacement.  Without getting into specifics regarding the two individuals that would be a good fit for our system, the two players on my watch list here are Knowshon Moreno and Donald Brown.

 

Tight End - Right now, our tight end situation can be summarized as such.  We have Brent Celek, an end with good size, athletic ability, but questionable blocking, and Matt Schobel; someone who should be bagging groceries.  The Eagles should be picking up two tight ends in the draft, and after keeping him around for some camp competition, jettisoning Schobel.  My two front-runners here are Brandon Pettigrew and Jared Cook.

 

The Prospects

 

William Beatty (Left Tackle; Connecticut) – Beatty posted good Combine numbers with a 5.12/40, 27 reps, and has long arms at almost 35 inches.  He also has good size at 6’6” and 307 pounds.  Now a lot of people are calling for Eben Britton at this point, but I don’t like it.  Beatty’s major fault was his pass blocking as a junior.  That improved immensely his senior season.  He’s extremely athletic, quick, can trap and screen well and gets to the second level quickly.  He also has very long arms, is smart, and can adjust on the fly to plays.  His weaknesses include a few small technique issues and some problems with false starts.  Britton has poor lateral agility, doesn’t have quick footwork, and doesn’t always get off the snap quickly.  He also has extremely short arms; that’s a problem you can’t correct via coaching.  Who do you think Reid would feel better shaping?

 

Alex Mack (Center, Cal) – Between his Pro Day and the Combine, Mack put up okay numbers for a center: 5.17/40 and 20 reps.  He has good size at 6’4” and 307 pounds.  This guy may be the best center prospect in the past decade.  He’s an excellent trap blocker, a good run blocker and fast off the snap.  He moves to the second level well and looks to engage opponents.  He is also an outstanding left tackle that converted to center to make room on Cal’s line.  His biggest detraction is that he needs to add some weight and strength.  Tell me that Reid wouldn’t enjoy loading up an entire line with left tackles if he could.  We also know how much Andy loves versatility.

 

Knowshon Moreno (Running Back, Georgia) – Many of the backs at the Combine ran 40 times that were substantially slower than projected, and Moreno was one of them at 4.60.  Other than that, his stats were respectable with a 35.5 vertical and 25 reps.  In two seasons of work at Georgia, Moreno rushed for over 2700 yards and 30 touchdowns.  He also hauled in over 700 yards receiving and added a pair of touchdowns through the air.  Moreno is the most complete back in the draft.  He is quick and agile, but possesses enough power to take on defenders.  His major weakness is that he goes out looking for contact far too often.  He’s comfortable running inside and outside and can adjust on the fly when a hole breaks down.  Moreno also brings good blocking and receiving skills to the table; assets that every running back in the Eagles’ system needs. 

 

Donald Brown (Running Back, Connecticut) – Brown ran a 4.51/40 with a 41.5 vertical at the Combine.  He did not press.  Brown had an interesting career at Connecticut.  After rushing for 1700 yards on 330 carries with 15 touchdowns combined his freshman and sophomore years, Brown erupted for almost 2100 yards on 367 carries and 18 touchdowns his junior season.  Brown is quick and powerful, but smart enough to avoid big hits wherever possible.  He is a hard working individual and spends a lot of time in the film room.  He has some experience receiving out of the backfield and needs some coaching in the pass blocking area. 

 

Brandon Pettigrew (Tight End; Oklahoma State) – Pettigrew did 22 reps and had a 33 inch vertical at the Combine.  However, he only ran a 4.85/40.  Although he was never known for his speed, this was far below his expected time.  Pettigrew is easily the tight end that is most ready to step into an NFL offense.  He is an outstanding pass blocker and is used to playing on the line.  At 6’6” and 260 pounds, he’s too big for most safeties to handle and it still quick enough for most linebackers.  He is a fairly athletic and agile tight end that should find some success in the passing game.  A few of his detractions are that he’s a poor route runner and uses his body to catch too much.

 

Jared Cook (Tight End; South Carolina) – Cook had a 4.50/40 (the second fastest 40 time for a TE in the past decade) and also led the TEs with a 41 inch vertical and a 10-3 broad jump.  At one point he had been clocked at a 4.37/40.  At 6’5” and 246 pounds he has ample size, but is an athletic freak.  He has good speed and agility, an impressive vertical, good hands, good field awareness and runs well disciplined routes.  He is one of the few tight ends in the draft that is actually dangerous after the catch.  His biggest detraction is that he came from a spread offense in college and rarely was an inline blocker.  He mirrors defenders well, but needs to get stronger and work on his blocking and chipping ability.

 

My Verdict and My Final Thoughts

 

First, and foremost, it’s a fact that the Eagles do not draft expressly to fill needs; they draft to the board.  This means that if they find someone they like at a pick that the value makes sense, they will take him.  If not, they will either take the best available player or trade the pick.  Although the fans may not like this sometimes, essentially, the draft is all about maximizing the overall value of your picks; not plunking people into spots on your roster.  So, with that in mind…  The Philadelphia Eagles select…

 

Knowshon Moreno (Running Back; Georgia) - At this point, surveying my board here, it’s my opinion that Moreno is arguably the best and potentially post productive player available on the board.  He is a complete back that can quickly step in to compliment Westbrook, taking some of the load off of him.  Over the next few years, he can study and learn from a player that has mastered his role in this offense.  With the addition of Leonard Weaver, another dynamic back, this could present a slew of match up problems for the opposition.  Moreno is a game changing back that has the ability to impact the play from multiple positions in the formation.  The bonus is that this pick does fill a hole as well, and at 21 the value of the pick makes sense as well.  Now opponents of this pick will point out that Reid has never taken a back above the third round.  To that, I say that we’ve never needed to.  Reid inherited established backs and took a flier on Westbrook, which was an excellent call.  He was groomed slowly and once he stepped in, we had no immediate need at the position.  This is the first year we really need to worry about it a bit more.  Given this board, I don’t see how I could justify anyone else at this pick.

 

Some other thoughts I have.  When I look at Pettigrew, I see a really good blocker that will probably be an adequate receiving tight end.  That’s just my opinion.  When it comes to the TE position, I think we value someone that has the ability to disrupt the defense in the passing game and we hope that we can teach them to block.  Weather I agree with this approach or not is irrelevant.  More than likely, I see us taking a tight end in the second round (Cook) and then a flier on some of these guys we’ve been working out (that Nelbone guy sounds right up Reid’s alley).  Although I question Jamaal Jackson’s ability, I have a feeling that his competition is going to come internally from Nick Cole.  Reid seemed extremely impressed with is contribution this season, and if that’s the case, he will look to get him on the field somehow.  When looking at OTs, I think the draft is pretty deep and we’re going to look at it in the 3rd round.  We don’t have an immediate need at the position, so why not take a flier/add depth? 

 

So, I’ve kind of ruled out everything we’d really think of taking with the 28th pick.  Right?  I think that if we hold onto both of our picks, that pick is going to be a curve ball.  Reid is always good for doing something that we think is out of left field.  Sheldon Brown is 30; older than Taylor was when we drafted Sheldon, and we have no idea what we will get from Ikegwuonu.  I could see us taking Vonte Davis, Darius Butler, or Alphonso Smith (I like Smith with the 28th pick) here.  Also, I’m thrilled with our DE group, but again, if 6’7” Michael Johnson or Robert Ayer are here at 28, I wouldn’t be surprised if we grabbed one.  So Anuj, it’s all up to you bud, but I’m just sharing my thoughts.    

 

Commish take - All I can say is, it's the pick I would have made. Totally agree with Foos05's analysis. We need a back and this guy is a perfect fit for the Eagles.

 

Mocking the Draft scouting report on Knowshon Moreno.

 

Picks so far

1    Detroit Lions - Whodie126 - Eugene Monroe

2    St. Louis Rams – Nick Pampani - Jason Smith

3    Kansas City Chiefs - D3keith - Aaron Curry

4    Seattle Seahawks - yophillybro - Mark Sanchez

5    Cleveland Browns – captain nodar - Brian Orakpo

6 - Cincinnati Bengals - Luxury Used Vehicles By Braman - BJ Raji

7 - Oakland Raiders - 2150akland - Michael Crabtree

8 - Jacksonville Jaguars - NorthPhillyKidd - Matt Stafford

9 - Green Bay Packers - LeonSA - Malcolm Jenkins

10 - San Francisco 49ers - Ajay - Andre Smith

11 - Buffalo Bills - Bubqr - Everette Brown

12 - Denver Broncos - Andyb - Rey Maualuga

13 - Washington Redskins - Clyde Simmons - Aaron Maybin

14 - New Orleans Saints - JasonB - Chris Wells

15 - Houston Texans - LEKsensei - Brian Cushing

16 - San Diego Chargers - USMCSLB - Tyson Jackson

17 - New York Jets - Badd - Jeremy Maclin

18 - Chicago Bears - Two Tons of Irony - Michael Oher

19 - Tampa Bay Bucs - Afk_Football - Josh Freeman

20 - Detroit Lions(from DAL) - hratner - Peria Jerry

21 - Philadelphia Eagles - Foos05 - Knowshon Moreno

     

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knowshon Knowshon KNOWSHON!

Stole your thunder anuj

by Clyde Simmons on Mar 30, 2009 3:47 PM EDT reply actions  

no way

theres no way they pass on a stud ol or the best TE .. i think they take britton here .. they have never valued rb enough to draft it this high .. donald brown trading up in the secound round is the best you are going to get .. and if a certain stud DT falls here dont be suprised if the take him .. personally i want lauranitus . or clay mathews .. but lb isnt big on their value chart

by jack is better than asante on Mar 30, 2009 10:03 PM EDT up reply actions  

actaully

brittion is probably going to be my pick at 28. this is a stronger pick because knowshon will probably be gone at 28, unlike brittion. why would be take a DT or a LB? our biggest needs are OT, RB and TE. We are pretty set at DT and LB. plus, Jake is no way better then Asante.

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

dammit :)

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:29 PM EDT up reply actions  

I’m not trying to stir up the hornet’s nest here, but the people that don’t agree should really say what they would have done differently… seriously.

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Mar 30, 2009 3:49 PM EDT reply actions  

Sorry man

As much as I love Knowshon, the Eagles seem to be high on Donald Brown, who could probably be picked up later in the first round or even the second. I’m thinking they’ll probably go with an OL here if one’s available, but hey, that’s just me.

by Bob_Q on Mar 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT up reply actions  

that’s cool. to be perfectly honest, i don’t think moreno makes it to 21 and that’s why i think the birds are looking at brown… if moreno happens to be there, i don’t think they can pass… plus at the value, if moreno is here you can get either britton or my choice in beatty at 28. i understand where you’re coming from though

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Mar 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

agreed

if moreno is still there the eagles ought to jump at the opportunity.

and to all those people who say reid never picks rbs in the first, also consider that he normally never leaves a position so woefully without depth. andy was comfortable with buck as the backup, but the fact that he hasn’t seen fit to address the position in free agency tells me he’s looking for a rb up high.

by bsencore on Mar 30, 2009 4:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

who would draft him

I think this is exactly where Moreno should go. He’s not a top ten pick. No team btw 11-20 will pick a RB.

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by royboy on Mar 30, 2009 4:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

many mocks

Have NO, Hou, and SD looking at back and their reasoning makes sense. Hou needs a big back that is a compliment to Slaton and Beanie fits that perfectly. No needs someone to pair with Bush and Thomas, and SD may need LT’s replacement since Sproles isn’t viewed as an every down back. Now is it smart that these teams use a 1st round pick on a rb, not so sure. But, stranger things have happened, and if someone thinks they are getting the premiere back in the draft in the middle of the first, that’s good value.

"Lets get one thing straight, the only reason you are conscious right now is because I don't feel like carrying you." - Jack Bauer

"Consequences, Schmonsequences, as long as I'm rich." - Daffy Duck

by Badd on Mar 30, 2009 5:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

also i think someone might trade up to grab him as well

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Mar 30, 2009 5:36 PM EDT up reply actions  

+1

check any mock.

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

im going Britton

or i could be playing games like our FO and make teams think i am going Britton and pick someone else that is actaully high on my chart

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:30 PM EDT up reply actions  

i would love for you to do that… would be right in line with the mindset of our FO

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Mar 31, 2009 7:47 AM EDT up reply actions  

I think brown is good, and they can't show their hand. I think they like both.

They love Percy Harvin as well, if he falls to the second round. It wouldn’t surprise me to see them trade up in the second to grab Harvin. Now that Darius Heyworth-Bey is blowing up.

City of Champions!

by yophillybro on Mar 30, 2009 3:56 PM EDT up reply actions  

sorry anuj man haha

great pick though hopefully if we stay put in the draft it happens like this.

by homestar2281 on Mar 30, 2009 3:52 PM EDT reply actions  

:(

i wanted him

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Who voted no?

Foos, you came though like a champ. I know Anuj is upset that he can’t draft Moreno @ 28.

I have a funny feeling this may be the pick in reality. TE and OT seem more and more unlikely the closer we get to the draft. I wouldn’t be surprise to see them draft a Guard high though, maybe top 3 rounds. Possibly second rounder. And us using the Andrew brothers as Tackles.

City of Champions!

by yophillybro on Mar 30, 2009 3:54 PM EDT reply actions  

so true

guess i have to grab the non-sexy pick in a OT

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

I like the pick (and voted "Yes")... BUUUUT...

Pettigrew is still on the board.

If I’m looking at the draft strategically, the following teams are drafting between 22 and 28…

Vikings
Pats
Falcons
Dolphins
Ravens
Colts

No shot in hell the Vikings, Falcons, Dolphins take a running back, and the Pats, Ravens, and Colts don’t have an immediate need for a one.

If you take Pettigrew with the 21st pick, you’re set at the TE position for the next 10 years, and there’s a chance Moreno slips to you at 28. And at the very least, if Moreno is gone, Donald Brown will likely be there. I guess it all depends on how much more you like Moreno than Donald Brown.

by JimmyK on Mar 30, 2009 3:57 PM EDT reply actions  

I am as happy to see this mock show Moreno to Philly as I was when Jason

selected Sweed last year in the Mocking the draft SB Nation Mock.

City of Champions!

by yophillybro on Mar 30, 2009 3:58 PM EDT reply actions  

Not Again

I’m not sure why the Eagles fans have fallen in love with Knowshon Moreno. For those of you who have never seen him play, which appears to be everyone on this string, he’s a nice player, but certainly not a protypical “franchise back.” He emerged this year as a pretty decent receiver including a few highlight-reel catches at the end of the year, but he’s not exactly…well…Brian Westbrook. He does not have a very strong lower body and might get tackled a bit too easily. He’s shifty, but is not particularly fast, clocking only a 4.6 at his own pro day and slightly worse than that at the combine. Eagles fans tend to fall in love with RBs in the draft (see Ricky Williams) and I seem to remember a universal “GREAT PICK” from everyone around here after we selected Tony Hunt. Didn’t that prove to you guys that you can’t really scout RBs?

Anyway if Pettigrew is on the board, he’s an Eagle. He is the best blocking TE in this class and as a bonus can turn upfield as well.

by The Real Wolfpig on Mar 30, 2009 4:00 PM EDT reply actions  

definately not like Wells,

I didn’t really see the moves of other backs like McCoy, But Knowshon is definately a really good back. IMO the best in the draft.

City of Champions!

by yophillybro on Mar 30, 2009 4:01 PM EDT up reply actions  

I wonder the same thing about people who have fallen in love with Pettigrew. I see nothing more than a good blocker who can short passes and do nothing with them. That’s first round material? I just don’t know.

PLus, when have the Eagles showed that they value blocking at the TE position? I agree that they should, but I just don’t think they do.

by JasonB on Mar 30, 2009 4:15 PM EDT up reply actions  

It would be like them drafting a FB in the second round or so. Celek is their guy.

And not because Gcobb says so, I was just thinking about that.

City of Champions!

by yophillybro on Mar 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

Olson vs. Pettigrew

Well to be honest, Olson is not a blocking TE at all. He’s really a WR/TE hybrid of sorts, and actually spends a lot of time lined up in the slot. He would be a hard fit into a WC offense. I think we’re fine with Celek as far as pass-catching, but we could probably use a strong, young blocking TE like Pettigrew.

As far as a FB goes, we just brought in Leonard Weaver, I don’t think we’re going that way. And I hoenstly don’t remember the last time a FB went any higher than the third round.

by The Real Wolfpig on Mar 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

point understood

But, I wasn’t referring to the styles. Just the prospect coming out of college. Olsen was very productive in college and is a very good bro. And we trading down to get Kolb. This just shows you what they think of TEs.

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by yophillybro on Mar 30, 2009 4:31 PM EDT up reply actions  

Not selecting one specific TE (who is more of a WR hybrid (getting players who fit your system is important, not just perceived talent (look at all the people, me included, who have no interest in Beanie Wells) doesn’t mean they don’t value the position.

It could be true, but a lot goes into that call, their value of Olsen, value of Kolb, and the value of the extra picks they got.

by FredEx on Mar 30, 2009 5:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

a receiving TE “would be a hard fit into a WC offense.” that makes no sense.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 30, 2009 7:51 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think he meant Olsen

because the guy is big, but slow for a WR, fast/not good enough at blocking for a typical TE… Can beat the LB coverage short and out-muscle the safety coverage deep, but is screwed in the middle when he’s not beaten the LB yet and the safety is on him anywho, and the middle is primarily where we use our TEs….

Not sure I agree with it or that that’s really what he meant, but it’s what I think he meant / why Olsen might not be an Eagle-type fit.

by Alon on Mar 30, 2009 8:46 PM EDT up reply actions  

2009 RBs

Last year was LOADED with RBs. I think that has left a pretty big hole in this year’s NFL draft. In my opinion this is the weakest RB class to hit the NFL draft in at least a decade. McCoy may end up as the only potential star in the bunch.

by The Real Wolfpig on Mar 30, 2009 4:05 PM EDT reply actions  

A defensive end?

Again? The Eagles have spent 2 picks on DE in the first 3 rounds the past two years and they’ve signed a number of free agents there. They still have to get Bryan Smith and Victor Abiamiri playing time. Where is there room for yet another defensive end?

by JasonB on Mar 30, 2009 4:17 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah we will probably have to cut

A player at DE that we already have a a lot invested into or we really like so I really doubt that we draft a DE at all.

by homestar2281 on Mar 30, 2009 4:20 PM EDT up reply actions  

Agreed

I think that Abiamiri will be a very very good player

by homestar2281 on Mar 30, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions  

Draft....................

   Birds are going O-Line with there First pick… They are ONLY Taking ONE Player In The First round…. The Other Pick Will Get Used up By TRADING UP OR AWAY.. The EAGLES are A Business Team and Don’t want to pay two first rounders… They will not take a RB because (A) TOO MUCH RISK (B) THEY JUST PAID B. WEST This is the First time in a Long Time They have the Ability to Make a Trade for A established Player ( #1 Wide Out )..
And In a Crazy Thought The EAGLES being A Business Team And Not Liking to Spend to Much , All the Big Money In McNabbs Contract Was For His Last Year ( Guss What Year His In)…………..

by miked77 on Mar 30, 2009 7:18 PM EDT reply actions  

I doubt they are looking to rent a WR, which means they’d have to, that’s right, pay them (which apparently the business eagles will refuse to do?)

Taking an established player or trading down is a certainly a possibility, but I’m not buying money being an issue.

by FredEx on Mar 30, 2009 7:33 PM EDT up reply actions  

They will not take a RB because (A) TOO MUCH RISK

LOL first round RBs are more of a sure thing than any other round … taking RBs in the 3rd year after year hoping to find another Westy is to much risk . The last 5 years 50% of the top 10 RBs in the league were first rounders the other 50% was spread out between 2nd round and undrafted … 2nd rounders being second most successful at ~17%.

Let’s not forget that the Eagles have missed trying to find a RB in the later rounds and now it is an actually need, they need to go with the odds here and not take the risk on a “sleeper”

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 30, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

TLDNR .... just playing nice analysis Foos

I love this pick, we need a RB that can produce and someone who can step in and play immediately.

I think Pettigrew is to much of a love interest I don’t think he is that much of an upgrade over Celek they are just different TEs but I have a man crush on Celek.

We also know that Jamaal Jackson signed a 6 year extension in 2006 and Andy has stuck by his performance thus far this offseason. Would we really pass up an upgrade at that position anyway?

I think we under rate what exactly Jackson does. As the center he is responsible for “quarterbacking” the Oline, he calls our D-Line shifts, audibles, and blitzers to the other lineman. He does a lot more than just snap the ball and block.

Matt Schobel; someone who should be bagging groceries

LOL

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 30, 2009 8:00 PM EDT reply actions  

not going to happen..

Dont anyone get their hopes up. Moreno will not fall this far and if he does the Eagles wont draft him . They will go O-line with number 21 and probably trade the 28 so they dont have to pay 2 first round picks. Which from a fans perspective is the most boring infuriating move. But thats what this team does…When has this team drafted anyone in the first round that the fans REALLY wanted…umm that would be NEVER. Mark my words….Shamu Reid starts with the lines and then the skill players. Always has and always will…write it down.

by Gdog2009 on Mar 30, 2009 8:43 PM EDT reply actions  

further supporting my point...

In the last 18 years the Eagles have selected a Lineman 14 out of 17 years in the 1st round. And we just let go of BOTH of our starting tackles. There is NO WAY they are selecting a RB a TE or a WR in the first round so all you guys talking about Knowshown and Pettigoo stop dreaming. Its not going to happen.

by Gdog2009 on Mar 30, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions  

Preach on brother.

Been saying that for awhile now.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Mar 30, 2009 9:28 PM EDT up reply actions  

Don’t think the pre-Reid picks mean anything. I would think the D-Line is pretty set, and Reid has only taken O-line in the 1st round once, when he traded up to get Andrews.

by FredEx on Mar 30, 2009 9:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

exactly

i am picking OT……

or am I?

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT up reply actions  

yeah, but we have 2 picks in the first round now...

i do think we will pick an OT in the first round, but if pettigrew or moreno are available, don’t be surprised if we snatched one of them up.

by awd777 on Mar 30, 2009 10:37 PM EDT up reply actions  

i hate you Foo

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by anuj on Mar 30, 2009 10:35 PM EDT reply actions  

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why in the world is ther e89 poeple that dont agree wiht this pick!

by rainville91 on Mar 31, 2009 8:07 AM EDT reply actions  

Just because it hasn’t happened doesn’t mean it never will. I guess we just live in different worlds Joe, I refuse to live in a definitive world I think anything is possible.

Can you at least concede that we have never needed a RB as badly as we do now?

With the recent misses in later rounds on players like Perry/Wynn/Moats/Hunt it might make sense for the Eagles to draft more of a sure thing because the time on Westy is running out. The percentage of RB success greatly increases the higher they are drafted, there are obvious busts but not like WRs.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 31, 2009 10:08 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sure

RB is a position of need and the Eagles know that. The thing is: we could easily get a RB in FA or via trade cheaply too. RB’s are a dime a dozen, and we don’t have to waste a 1st round pick on one even though we have two. We might get one in the 2nd, maybe early 3rd, just not 1st.

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by Joe_D on Mar 31, 2009 10:15 AM EDT up reply actions  

okay I get what you’re saying but the risk of taking a RB later is greater then taking one in the first round. When trying to draft a new franchise RB you need to take one on the first day and as early as makes sense. We don’t have the luxury of trying to find another Westy, we have tried to no avail. Last year was actually a fluke year you don’t generally have that many late round RBs step in and make such a splash.

I guess what I’m saying is the Patriots have Tom Brady a 6th round pick, Matt Cassel came in and played great he was a 7th round pick. If Tom Brady starts to decline and you question if he can handle a full season or a full load are you going to risk finding your next QB in the 6th or 7th round and hope they can step in as a rookie? No you are going to take someone higher in the draft because it is now a position of need.

Look at the Steelers Willie Parker was undrafted and he was phenomenal in 2007 Parker lead the league in rushing and was having a career year before breaking his right leg. The Steelers went out a picked up Rashard Mendenhall in the first round because they knew they needed someone if Parker couldn’t finish the season again or wasn’t able to come back.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 31, 2009 10:30 AM EDT up reply actions  

The steelers also draft LBs in the first round

Listen, they build their team around the run and the pass rush. They draft those positions early. We build our team around the line, we draft those ones first. Pittsburgh probably had the shittiest O-line to ever win the SB last year.

The thing is we could draft someone in the 3rd, if he don’t work out , we can sign a washed up FA…..Reid HATES starting rookies and I think our 2nd string RB will be a veteran and our rookie RB is only going to see a few snaps. Don’t be surprised if Booker or another vet is the 2nd string RB next year.

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by Joe_D on Mar 31, 2009 11:05 AM EDT up reply actions  

Sorry Joe I kind of set you up on this one ...

The last time the Steelers took a RB in the first round was 1989, and they haven’t taken a RB higher than the 3rd since then (until this past year) just because a team never does anything doesn’t mean they won’t ever.

And as you said the Steelers build their team around the run.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 31, 2009 12:05 PM EDT up reply actions  

hehe, nice one

but we don’t center our offense around the run, so I don’t think we’re going to use a 1st on one.

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by Joe_D on Mar 31, 2009 7:53 PM EDT up reply actions  

fair enough but we do center around Westbrook, so when he is gone what then?

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 31, 2009 8:18 PM EDT up reply actions  

Spread the ball around

The same thing we do when he’s out of the line-up.

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by Joe_D on Apr 1, 2009 12:49 AM EDT up reply actions  

Let me set something straight

I am extremely tired of hearing people say “we are weakest at X position(s), so we need to use our early pick(s) on that position” or “We could use depth at Y position, so we will spend an early pick on the Y position.” Guys, let me explain something to you… Deprate teams will draft for need. Good teams (teams consitstently coming towards the end of the first round), will draft based on value. I will be extremely suprised to see an OT taken with the first pick. The value just isn’t there. I’d rather have the top player at one position (i.e. LB, possibly RB, etc…) over the 5th or 6th at another (OT). This is the reason why teams stay successful. Instead of taking a chance on the 6th best OT, they are much more likely to grab a safer pick that will be solid with them for years to come… Rebuilding teams, take big chances on a player to “build around” and if that player fails, their teams fail (Oakland, Detroit, Eagles in ’99, etc.). Eagles will not take the “sexy pick,” rather they will take a better pick. To prove my point:

1) When we took Andrews, we took him for the T position, not G. He just turned out to be so good that they made him into a G to get him on the field. 2) We have spent 2 1st rd picks 2 yrs in a row at the same position, when there were other “needs” that could’ve been addressed (then 2 years later, we drafted another DT again with the first pick). The list goes on…

THE EAGELS SELECTION WILL BE BASED ON VALUE, NOT NEED!!

Sorry for the novel… That is all..

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-FredEx

by micah15 on Mar 31, 2009 12:35 PM EDT reply actions  

Notations:

I did not mean the Eagels failed in ’99, but they selected a guy to base the franchise around

The Eagles use draft picks based on a combination of need and value in the later rounds

"I'd like to thank my hands for being so great."
-FredEx

by micah15 on Mar 31, 2009 12:39 PM EDT reply actions  

man is it gonna get ugly in here once the eagles draft a relatively unknown lineman with ther first pick and then trade out of the 1st…you guys do remember when we REALLY needed a running back and passed on Stephen jackson right ?

by Gdog2009 on Mar 31, 2009 4:56 PM EDT reply actions  

man is it gonna get ugly in here once the eagles draft a relatively unknown lineman

I think most people will be happy with a lineman just because we want a RB too doesn’t mean it will get ugly both positions are needed.

you guys do remember when we REALLY needed a running back and passed on Stephen jackson right ?

You mean 2004 right after 2003 when we went to the NFCCG and we had the 3 headed monster of Bucky, Westy, and Duce. Bucky went 542 yards 8 TDs at 4.3 avg, Westy went 613 yards 7 TDs at 5.2 average and Duce had 463 yards, 5 TDs and 4.8 average. This happened to be Westbrooks break out year where we knew he was our guy. No you’re right we desperately needed a RB. Come on dude.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 31, 2009 5:24 PM EDT up reply actions  

Good points

But this was many of the Eagles fans line of thinking back then. I will admit I wanted Jackson and thought we would get him. I thought for sure when we traded up that we were going to pick him at 16. I thought RB was a huge need then — as many others did. let’s be honest NO ONE thought Westbrook was as good as he really was.

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by Joe_D on Mar 31, 2009 7:55 PM EDT up reply actions  

I think the fans may have been unsure about Westbrook but obviously the FO was not, and I think they still held out faith in Bucky too.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 31, 2009 8:19 PM EDT up reply actions  

selective memory dude..

Duce was out the door. Buck was injury prone and Westbrook was seen as someone who couldnt carry the load….so hell yes we needed a rb (anyone remember Dorsey Levins ?)
If we had Steven Jackson maybe we win that superbowl. Anyway..they did need a RB as much as we do now and they passed on a blue chip RB to get an O lineman. Expect more of the same in a few weeks.

by Gdog2009 on Mar 31, 2009 9:22 PM EDT up reply actions  

Dude

No offense but you’re a total newb if you think we should’ve taken Jackson over Andrew :)

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by Joe_D on Apr 1, 2009 12:50 AM EDT up reply actions  

it’s not a selective memory the Eagles let Duce leave because they believed Westbrook could handle the load and Buck was coming back from surgery and they believed in him as well. They didn’t need to take a RB that high up they needed to take a lineman and did.

Just because you didn’t have faith in Westbrook doesn’t mean those close to the situation didn’t. You may have honestly felt like the most important thing for us to do was to grab SJ but it wasn’t and I think the Birds and Westbrook have proved you wrong.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Apr 1, 2009 9:54 AM EDT up reply actions  

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