No Country for Old Eagles
Just five days into free agency and the start of the NFL offseason, the main complaint of Eagles fans seems to be that the team's plan for the offseason is unclear. In fact many are wondering whether there's a plan at all.
I must confess, I've wondered this myself.
Of course, like I said we're just 5 days into the NFL offseason. No one expected the Eagles to have their 2009 roster set by now, but I think most people felt that they'd see the makings of the Eagles' offseason plan. So far the team has seen a lot leave and not much come in... It seems like maybe that was the plan.
After the Eagles lost the NFC title game to Arizona, Eagles President Joe Banner in what seemed like an uncharacterstic moment of frustration said to Derrick Gunn,
"They say if you keep saying if you do the same thing over and over you’re kind of kidding yourself."
Of course, everyone jumped on that quote and assumed it meant Reid and McNabb were on the hotseat. Banner actually came out and clarified the quote to say he wasn't referring to those two. Some interpreted Banner to mean that the Eagles would go wild "Redskins style'" in the trade in the free agent market. Doesn't seem like that was right...
"Doing the same thing over and over" appears now to mean that it was time to move on from most of the remaining core of veterans that have been with this team for the past decade. Brian Dawkins is gone, Tra Thomas is on the verge of leaving, and the Eagles' big free agent signing is a guy who plays Jon Runyan's position... Those three guys have played a combined 33 seasons with this team. Both Dawkins and Thomas have been here every day of the Andy Reid era and Jon Runyan was Reid's first big free agent signing. All three men are 35 years old.
The face of the Eagles is changing. These were pretty much the last men standing from the start of the Reid era. It's been 13 years since there's been an Eagles team without one of these guys on it. They were also among the few guys left from the team was just 3 points from winning the Super Bowl in 2004 and management has quite obviously decided that these guys have had their last shot to try and get us back. These three have been at the center of the winningest era in the history of the franchise. Under their watch, the Cowboys have only won one playoff game and that came in Dawkins' second year!
Now there's just one man left. One guy that's been here as long as Andy Reid. Donovan McNabb. He's now the elder stateseman on this roster. He, Brian Westbrook, Sheldon Brown, Greg Lewis, and David Akers are all that remains from the Super Bowl team. McNabb is 32, he's got 2 years let on his contract and it's pretty obvious he's hearing the footsteps. We've all followed the drama of the drafting of Kolb, the pleas for weapons, the benching, the secret meetings between McNabb and management, the "demand" for more job security in the form of a new contract... McNabb's the last guy in a war against time that all NFL players lose. He's all that's left of the core that has defined this team for the past decade and this year may be his last shot.
From here on out, this is going to be Stewart Bradley's team. Trent Cole's team. Desean Jackson's team. In a decade will any of these guys still be around? Is some Eagles blogger(or whatever they're doing in a decade) going to write a long post about the end of an era when Stewart Bradley or Desean Jackson leave?
As Eagles fans til the end, we'll be there to find out.
Thanks to andyreidswaistline and everyone else for the great photoshops. I have no doubt we'll be making use of them all in the coming weeks...
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I think that you’re right and this was the plan. At this point though, there are only two possibilities.
1) Our FA and trades acquisitions are over… We’re going to use all of our picks, packaging a few to move higher in the draft and fill all of the holes in the roster with rookies to build for the future.
2) There’s so much money around that we’re going to make a big trade for someone and we’re keeping the cash free to do so.
At this point, unfortunately, I think I’m leaning toward option 1. The front office isn’t stupid. Mortgaging a whole offseason on one trade that may or may not happen around the draft is idiotic. I’m not sure what to try to predict for the rest of the offseason… and that’s a little frightening.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
to be a fly on the wall in that war room ...
or any meeting they have from here until April 25th.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
I don’t like option #1. If you do that, do you just pack in ‘09 and trade McNabb? What do you w/Westbrook if you’re building for the future? Wasn’t extending him a waste?
I get that they kind of lucked their way into the playoffs, but they did get to the NFCC and there isn’t a truly dominant team in the conference. Put all the chips in and make a run NOW while 5 and 36 are still hear and useful.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
let me restate and say it’s not that i like option 1, it’s just that i’m leaning toward that being what the FO is doing. i hope I’m wrong, but… nothing that we’ve done so far seems to support anything else. i mean, we need to address the FB situation and need depth at DT… Weaver would be an insanely awesome pick up and would allow Klecko to move back to DT, where he actually played well for us. yet, there’s no metion of him anywhere. we’ve only had ONE visit…. ONE. we need two players to fill the safety position. we’ve heard Leonhard is coming, but then that disappeared…. not even an update to say that he’ll be here later due to weather.
no i’m not saying we won’t be competative this year if option 1 is our road, but it’s hard for me to actually say that doing this is improving our chances of winning the super bowl THIS year…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
we’ve heard Leonhard is coming, but then that disappeared…. not even an update to say that he’ll be here later due to weather.
haha but he was visiting the Jets before he was supposed to be with us … could the weather really stop him. Besides I’m hearing he signed with the Jets.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
heard he left there without a contract shrugs
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
according to the boys down the block at GGN, Leonhard left sans contract
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
ahhh
looks like you are correct sir … I would like this guy he did nothing but make plays last year.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
he does seem like a philly guy too… hard nose player… was a walk on in college… real blue collar kinda guy
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Signed with the Jets … thought I heard that somewhere …
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
That’s what’s sort of getting me down. It seems like they’d want to load up for 1 or 2 last real shots of the McNabb/Westbrook era.
I have confidence that they can still compete and win in the post-McNabb era, but it seems odd to choose to “officially” rebuild when they were 1 good defensive stop from the superbowl. (Granted, they were also 1 bad play or call — the muffed punt in the falcons game for example — from missing the playoffs altogether)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
All those guys gone and we still have a good team.
And a young team at that. As much as I loved having Dawkins around I’m more worried about the OT position. I wonder if all these people whining for weapons realize how fortunate we were to have such stability at OT for all of those years. The FO gets that. My bet is that they see OL as the number one priority right now, and that’s hard to argue with.
Sad day
Runyan, Tra, and Dawkins were all some of my favorites. I guess it’s natural for everyone to move on, but those guys have been the face of the franchise for years.
Still, one thing you notice about the perennial best teams is that they stay in contention because they know when to let go of the old guys. The FO has been right so far, I’ll give them the benefit of the doubt now.
I still don’t like it though.
Agreed (even if I don't like it either)
I heard somewhere (NFL Network?) before the start of free agency a conversation about how in the end, it’s better to let a veteran player go a year too early than a year too late. It’s very, very hard to do that, especially considering how much Dawkins, Thomas, and Runyan have meant to this team (though I expect Runyan to be back, still).
It’s sad as hell to lose those guys, they’ve been the heart and soul of this team forever. As fans, we’re that much more emotionally attached. The FO guys can’t let themselves get emotionally attached like that — they have to make football decisions. And, unfortunately, letting these guys go is probably the right decision for his team on the field.
My one big worry is the loss of leadership on the defense with Dawkins gone, though I think Sheldon Brown and others can fill that void.
Quick question
Does anyone know how the top RBs rated in terms of lateral quickness during the combine?
Also, BGN got linked here for anyone who missed it:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Eagles-fans-are-calmly-dealing-with-Brian-Dawkin;_ylt=AgjVl5FB2hKWZOeMXshQFzJDubYF?urn=nfl,144847
the link didn't work, but...
i tend to think that whoever wrote the title “eagles fans are calmly dealing with Brian Dawkins” didn’t actually read this site before posting the link. this site was starting to sound like a suicide/threatening homicide hotline over the weekend
I think the article was being sarcastic man… the part linked to us says, “and the blog commenters are being their normal rational selves” or some such nonsense… ironically he linked to the most rational comments, not the crazy other comment banks he could have chosen
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
Gotta copy/paste that extra ,144847 at the end.
I like the increasing exposure of BGN though.
increasing exposure is nice… lack of the author actually, ya know, reading the comments in the linked post and just assuming that they were all gloom and doom was pretty awful though
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
ahh
gotcha…yah, he definately could have found worse, but I don’t know if he’d be allowed to link to some of those comments professionally…they were pretty bad, haha. if people scroll around after clicking the link though they’ll see there are logical people too. he basically said in the end what half of us were saying anyways.
i agree with everything weve done to date, but i must say im a little worried about this off-season. while we were right not to match the huge offers made to dawkins, buckhalter etc. by losing dawkins, buckhalter, and tra thomas the team has overall not gotten any better. if we do not make any major moves from here up until the start of the season i will have to call this off-season an unsuccesful one.
Eagles will be fine
Lots of draft picks, and quite a number of free agents still left.
Here’s a list:
I think we are doing what we have to stay in contention every year. You can’t give top dollar to players who are on the decline. Say what you will about heartless or unfeeling management, but we have been in contention every year for almost a decade. I think we are doing what we have to. Remember when we lost Steve everett and Fraley came in. We lost Duce and Westbrook took over. It is the nature of the game. We are going to have a great draft and porbably pick up some free agents after that.
The less free agents we sign now, the more compensatory picks we get in the draft.
I'm not worried about Bradley, Jackson, or Cole
They have made it pretty clear that they can play ball. Any team would take them in a heartbeat, and I’m very confident in them as the future of our team. I’m worried about the quarterback position, I love McNabb, but he’s only got a few more years in him. Hopefully Kolb can do what we all hope he can and step up when the time comes. I don’t want to be one of those teams who are signing veteran QBs for 1 year deals, we’re going to need a franchise QB.
rebuilding.
uhhh. this whole thing is making my head hurt. if this was madden our overall team rating would of dropped 5 points in the last week.
That’s because the Madden game still loves LJ Smith.
by andyreidswaistline on Mar 3, 2009 7:20 PM EST up reply actions
JASON...
Isn’t it possible that, if Runyan appears healthy and is ready to go, AND that the Eagles resign him (if that happens, it’d probably be for the hometown discount), that he might be starting? If Runyan is back in the fold, the 2009 OL might just be the best 5…
Going Right to Left (RT, RG, C, LG, LT)…
Runyan, Shaun Andrews, Jackson or Cole, Herremans, Stacy Andrews OR
swap the Andrews Brothers (Whoever is the better LT plays LT) OR
Runyan, Shaun Andrews, Jackson or Cole, Stacy Andrews, Herremans
The idea being that Runyan could still be part of the best 5 Eagles OL for ‘09. I think, at this point, it’s not probable, but it sure is still possible! Keeping Runyan maintains some “old” leadership, and at worst adds experienced depth.
Regardless, I think the Birds will choose a rookie OT in the draft with a premium pick… I was shocked they did not last year!
by meangreenmachine on Mar 5, 2009 12:44 PM EST reply actions

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