NFL Europe 2: Electric Boogaloo?
One issue that is currently under discussion at the NFL Owners Meetings in
Don’t get me wrong, I think a developmental league is a great idea as long as it’s run correctly. Let’s talk about NFL Europe for a second though. Some version of American football was in existence in
As I said, some incarnation of a developmental league is something the NFL should have, but it needs to be done the right way. Presently, the NFL is the only major American sporting league (MLB, NBA, NHL, NFL) without some kind of formal developmental league. Players that have enormous amounts of potential fall through the cracks because they are not polished enough. The only way for these individuals to develop is to find some playing time. Currently, the practice squad is the place where this occurs. While the practice squad is all well and good, it probably isn’t enough. Re-establishing a league that functions during the offseason would be vital to the development of players. The goal of this league needs to remain development and not profit. It should be established in the
“If it was a developmental league, it should be done for that purpose, for the purpose of developing players,” Goodell said. “So the commercial aspects, the international aspects, I think those would become secondary. That was my issue primarily with NFL Europe was that, what objective was it trying to meet? Was it trying to develop players? Was it trying to grow our game internationally, trying to be a commercial success?
An environment like this would be perfect for players like King Dunlap, Bryan Smith, and probably even Winston Justice to work on their game in a situation where they would see constant playing time for a few months. I, for one, would welcome some type of development league. I’m not sure most fans would care very much or the league would be profitable, but that shouldn’t be the goal.
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id like to see NFL europe or an intenrational league arise again that emphasises developing players
but if we get another season of football to watch in the offseason :) all the better.
by Metang3 on Mar 26, 2009 1:37 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
International football is unlikely
I believe both France and Germany already have their own leagues in plays.
NFL Europa was more of a vessel to make NFL more popular internationally. But its focas wasn’t mainly to develope talent.
I imagine this would just be some sort of minor league football league, maybe 12 to 20 teams or so playing in smaller markets like Wichita and Oklahoma.
The problem would be designating the players. Who goes, when do they play, Summer time?
Will it be more of a league to develope guys like Kolb and King Dunlap. Or more of a thing for practice squad thing.
The preseason is how the back ups earn spots, I beleive this should be a short scheduled pre NFL season, late summer league. Not too long, but enough to supliment the lack of NFL preseason games.
I imagine 6 to 8 games or so.
The next issue will be player designation, how do the teams designate the players.
I propose they assign 1 team to each division, 1 for the NFC East, NFC North etc. This give the league 8 teams.
Each team in that division designates a total of 10 players, totaling a roster of 50 or so. This would ensure a higher talent pool than NFL Europa. They play a season of 6 games or so, with 1 championhip game for the top 2 teams (no playoffs).
Each team can assign players that you have drafted and other backups. This gives them a vehicle to practice some, get some live action time. And give them some most needed film.
I would love players like Basket, Abiamiri, Dunlap, Kolb, Demps to all be on a squad like this.
You can start the league a month after the draft. It goes through July.
Those are just some thoughts, but keep in mind. This league will have the purspose of substituting preseason not expanding the NFL.
I would love this.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 2:26 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I know, before you guys complaine
My post was a little long. My bad.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 2:42 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think you're on to something yophillybro
I think that’s an awesome idea to have one team represent each division! I would definitely watch if that were the case.
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by Philthy on Mar 26, 2009 4:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
all good ideas
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by exitfare on Mar 26, 2009 10:55 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
id like to see NFL europe or an intenrational league arise again that emphasises developing players
yes i was kind of disappointed when they ended that – iam a football junkie i loved to watch nfl europe
not that i dont like baseball and basketball – just doesnt have the same effect on me -
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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Mar 27, 2009 3:31 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’m fine with the season at it’s current, length too. There’s few enough games that every regular season game is important, but enough that a single loss doesn’t damn you (as in college).
If it’s not broke, don’t fix it.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Mar 26, 2009 1:55 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Tell that to a player trying to win a spot in 2 weeks.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 2:29 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think we’re on the same side here, actually.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Mar 26, 2009 6:04 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
new rule
i think the cheerleading outfits should be more revealing , thongs – nipple pasties -body painted outfits – that sort of thing to make the NFL Experience that much better ha ha
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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Mar 27, 2009 3:37 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
+1
i plus oned myself lol
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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Mar 27, 2009 3:38 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
lol,
as long as there is no Longest Yard cheerleaders.
Strippers would do for most.
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by yophillybro on Mar 27, 2009 8:21 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The NFL's sole motive is profit
So if the goal for the developmental league is not to directly produce profit, are you arguing that developing these unpolished players will develop long term profit indirectly by improving the overall quality of the players in the games of the regular NFL season?
by Big Silly on Mar 26, 2009 1:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
I’m not really try to address what the future profitability this could directly lead to. I’m more-so saying that having some type of formal developmental league would be beneficial to these players that may be falling to the wayside. I’m also saying that if the NFL was to relaunch some kind of developmental league, that the goal of the league should be development; profit would be welcome, but development should come first.
Now, if I were going to address the potential impact these players could have, I would say that funding this type of league could be a sound investment for the owners. Think of how many players are signed every year that simply fall by the wayside. Now, many may be lacking talent, but I’m willing to bet a good portion just needed some additional time to hone their skills. First, owners are simply loosing money on investments (that’s what players are) that never give them any return what-so-ever. Imagine that you sign a rookie in the first round to a five year contract with an average yearly salary of $2.5M (this was a typical contract for a mid-20’s pick last year), he doesn’t play his first year, and he’s cut. You sign a 10 year veteran to fill that spot to a 4 year deal with an average yearly salary of $6M. What if you could invest an extra $500K into that rookie for 3 months in the offseason and he was able to improve enough to give you comprabale numbers to the aging (overpriced) veteran? Would it be worth it to eat that $500K and save the $14M over the four year span? I think so. Now it’s a give that not all of these projects would be reclaimed and blossom, but given that most of the participants in this league would be extremely young, I still think that it would be worth the investment.
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by foos05 on Mar 26, 2009 2:28 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
yup yup.
Who would you designate? What kind of players should be assigned?
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 2:30 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Hmm. I think I’d have to reserve my final decision until seeing how the league is structured and what the rules are for player eligability… I mean if it was something that ran in, say, March, April and May… First, anyone who was on the practice squad the prior season, then the players that I think could be really solid players but didn’t see much field time during the season, and finally, it’d be nice to be able to send players coming off of season long serious injuries as kind of a test run to gauge their recovery and such… Something along those lines perhaps.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Mar 26, 2009 2:36 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I like that.
What do you think of my idea of 1 team representing each division (1 for NFC north, 1 for NFC east etc). Totalling 8 teams (all small market, but regional).
Each team assigns 10 players, totaling 50 man roster. Teams play 6 games 1 championship just before camp.
You can assign guys like Abiamiri ,Kolb, Bryan Smith, Ikeguauano, just to get them some games. And even players like Stacey Andrews can benefit from that (like you said). That would make for a kick but league, I would watch and support that.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 2:41 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
The only problem I would see with that scenario is that I am willing to bet almost every team would want to send their back up QB. What do you do to deal with 4 QBs on a team? In theory it’s a really good idea, but I think it’d have to be refined and defined a bit better.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
by foos05 on Mar 26, 2009 2:47 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
We can go only 1 QB per squad. Man that is the only problem with that.
You can have a mandatory QB and Roster rotation to ensure all players play. Remember the league would have 6 games.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 2:51 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
You and Jason can run this league for us.
Andrew B and whodie126 can be scouts, And nickpampani can play WR.
I’m telling, we are onto something here.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 2:53 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Nothing personal, but I don’t like this. It requires too much cooperation between divisional rivals.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Mar 26, 2009 6:11 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Why does it have to be in Europe?
A developmental league should be here in the U.S. There would be the same number of teams, but host cities would include, L.A., Sacramento, Las Vegas(?), San Jose, Austin, El Paso, Birmingham, Tacoma, etc, etc. Kinda like how baseball works it. I think there would actually be a better turn out than the minors in baseball. I would definitely like to see these younger players play and I wouldn’t want to go to Europe for that purpose. If I’m going to Spain, France , England, Italy or Germany, I’m watching soccer with the rest of the hooligans, just for the experience.
by Midnight Green Bean on Mar 26, 2009 3:27 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its very likely thats it wont be international.
Nor will it compete with the NFL, like the XFL tried to do.
It will be a supliment for the preseason, since its gonna be scaled back to only 2 games.
Expect this league to have a ton of back ups and be a short year on smaller markets.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 3:43 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
He Hate Me was the best thing to come out of the XFL
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on Mar 26, 2009 4:46 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
That’s about the only thing I remember about the XFL. (I do own a Las Vegas Outlaws hat, actually)
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Mar 27, 2009 7:53 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
Ex Eagles Middle Linebacker James Willis
and Heisman Award Winner and Ex Bear bust R. Salaam played there. I remember that Willis made a playoff clinching interception for us in the mid 90s. I have a special part in my heart for him.
He Hate Me aka Rod Smart was on the Eagles practice squad during the early 2000s. Funny stuff.
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by yophillybro on Mar 27, 2009 8:23 AM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I actually like this…each team would have it’s own “farm team” in a smaller city, ideally near enough to the big club to benefit from the locals being fans of that team, but far enough away that they’re not competing for a ton of fans with the NFL squad:
Example: Eagles’ minor league team in the Lehigh Valley Harrisburg, Lancaster, or Atlantic City (maybe these towns are too small, in this example) — what I’m going for is somewhere that’s probably still "
KC’s farm team in Omaha, Tampa’s in Orlando
What I’m going for is places where people are still fans of that NFL team, but less likely to be the people who have tickets to all the NFL team’s home games.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Mar 26, 2009 6:09 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I think the AHL is pretty much modeled like this.
For example, the Hersey Bears are the Caps’ farm team. Their roster is made up of guys who are the prospects of the Caps, and then career-type minor leaguers who have contracts signed with the Bears.
In the NFL-minor league, maybe there could be some contract thing where you let your guys who are expected to be NFL players, but just aren’t ready yet, get a year of seasoning. (So, the traditional “Training Camp Stinger Guys” or even your backup QBs if it’s during the NFL offseasn), but the the rosters would probably be have a lot of guys who just don’t have a realistic shot, too.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Mar 26, 2009 6:17 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I read some where there is going to be a new league in america
At first the creation of the league with the arena league not having a season because they wouldn’t make any money I didn’t see how this league could either. then with this news I realized that this league is trying to be appealing to the NFL to be there developmental league. I think that coaches like Dennis Green and Jim Fassel are coaching in that league.
by homestar2281 on Mar 26, 2009 4:14 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Its meant to replace preseason games,
Expect backup NFL players to be in these teams, not players who are not on rosters. This is meant to replace an NFL pre-season.
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by yophillybro on Mar 26, 2009 4:25 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
My only issue with an NFL developmental league
is the age of players when currently eligible and the short shelf lives of an NFL career.
MLB players go to the minors out of high school, AHL doesn’t have an age limit that I know of, NBA D-League minimum age is 18.
NFL rules state you must be out of high school 3 years to be eligible, so they’re already behind the curve IMHO. If anything let players sign with the NFL and join the D-League a year before pro eligibility like the NBA does.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
by Whodie126 on Mar 26, 2009 4:58 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
Well you have the
http://www.ufl-football.com/
its full of NFL friendly management and the schedule is about keeping guy “NFL ready” during the NFL season.
by Smallbugger on Mar 26, 2009 5:02 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs
This might just work too…it’s kind of like the Atlantic League. No way the level of competition is anywhere close to MLB, but it gives a guy a chance to stay in shape get noticed, and basically everyone in it is enough of a free agent that if an affiliated team calls, the Atlantic League’s glad to let them go.
Say Michael Gasperson or Bill Sampy is dominating for the Harrisburg Hooligans. If one of the Eagles WRs gets hurt, they could call a guy and have them already be in shape, at least.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
by BrianS on Mar 26, 2009 6:20 PM EDT up reply actions 0 recs
I’ve said for years that the NFL would avail itself by building a formal relationship between the NFL and the CFL since the CFL has always been like a developmental league for the NFL anyway. Bottom line is that the CFL is an American football league outside of the US that’s been able to sustain itself financially for over twenty (20) years. I would be shocked if the teams of the now defunct AFL and the forthcoming UFL couldn’t some how combined, in some cases into about 5 teams and find some way to co-exist under CFL rules as expansion teams of the CFL. I wouldn’t mind seeing the Philadelphia Soul resurrected as a CFL team that plays in a real stadium atmosphere.
Benefits:
More “Pro” open field stadium football games. (television and live entertainment potential)
Less risk by investing in a franchise that’s already proven it’s long term sustainability.
Solidification of “Developmental League” status/relationship
Ability to add corporate logos on uniforms since it’s already a common practice in the CFL.
(this would allow the to disregard the idea of adding corporate logos on NFL jerseys which is currently being taken under consideration)
What I’d like to see:
NFL champ vs. CFL champ at the beginning of each season with win or loss counted against season record.
by Ausar397 on Mar 27, 2009 2:29 PM EDT reply actions 0 recs

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