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Hello, Philly fans!  I'm a member of Mile High Report (SB Nation's resident Denver Broncos blog) and I have the honor of representing your beloved Eagles in our internal interactive mock draft.  Though I have a superficial sense of your team's remaining offseason needs and wants, I'd appreciate any additional insight you could provide to inform my decision as to your potential draft picks.  Here are some questions to get you guys started, but feel free to add anything else you think might be relevant.

  • What positions on the roster are most in need of starter-caliber help?
  • Would you be interested in trading up to address any of those voids or for any prospect in particular?
  • If you were to draft an RB, would it be someone in the Westbrook mold or someone with a more complementary style?
  • Is there a chance that you finally use a premium pick on a big WR?

That's really all I've come up with so far, but I'm sure you guys have thought of plenty of things that I haven't yet.  I thank you for your help in advance.

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GET ME KNOWSHON!!!!!!

KNOWSHON!!! KNOWSHON!!!! KNOWSHON!!!!!!!

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 18, 2009 8:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

lol i saw this coming

To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her

by XxBleedGreen5xX on Mar 19, 2009 8:13 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

here you go

1.Offensive line, in particular OT, specifically LT, but if there is a really good OG we could move one of our current starting guards(most likely Shawn Andrews) out to LT.

2.It is my opinion that we have so many picks in this draft so we can trade up for one of the top LT in this years draft so yes.

3.We would want some one in a Westbrook mold, Knowshon, McCoy, Brown for example, some may want a big back like Wells but I don’t think we would draft him and I’m not sure how well he would do here.

4. Maybe in the Second Rd but probably wont draft and of the border line first rounders in the first round.

by homestar2281 on Mar 18, 2009 8:39 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Rb & WR

Knowshon and Andre Smith Kenny Britt

by daankazi on Mar 18, 2009 8:40 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

OL/RB/TE … in that order … I personally think Pettigrew is a reach in the first but I also really like our current TE Celek.

We need to at least attempt to get a starting tackle lineman if we choose to move one of our current OGs to OT we will need to replace him. The current roster is capable of this but then we lack depth.

We desperately need a top notch RB, Westbrook is amazing but he is often injured and is winding down his career.

WR isn’t a pressing need to use a top pick on but I wouldn’t flinch to see one in the 2nd or 3rd round, especially after we pretty much locked up the safety position.

I think if Knowshon slips we take him at 21 and top OL at 28. If he doesn’t I think we take top OL at 21 and top RB at 28. Lots will disagree saying Andy won’t take a RB in the first but, in all honesty he has never needed to even consider this because of Westy.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 18, 2009 9:10 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Good point re: 1st round RBs & Westbrook

but Westbrook hasn’t been in the league since Andy came in. We’d been avoiding 1st round RBs since Andy’s first (Remember: RICKY! RICKY! RICKY! RICKY!)

by Alon on Mar 18, 2009 9:23 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

true but we had Duce when Andy realized Duce was running out of steam we drafted Westy. Remember he was injured in 2000 and then again in 2001.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 18, 2009 9:58 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

But for Andy’s whole tenure we’ve had a good back. So why spend a first rounder on one?

Duce was already here. Westbrook came of age before Duce left…

by JasonB on Mar 18, 2009 10:06 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I like Celek too

But, I think a tandem of tight ends would work well in the Eagles offense. Especially since they really don’t use/have a fullback. A blocking tight end who is also a good receiver would be a great complement to Celek. From what I’ve read, it seems like Pettigrew will go in the first round. If they can’t get Pettigrew in the first, Shawn Nelson in the second might be that nice complementary tight end. I know some people like Chase Coffman, but I’m under the impression that he’s not much of a blocker either.

Most people on this board will think I’m a complete moron for writing this (and you probably aren’t wrong for thinking that), but I actually wouldn’t have a huge problem if they drafted two offensive linemen with both of their first rounders. I know they won’t do that, but if they did, they could take one of the really good tackles with the 21st pick and then take center Alex Mack with the 28th. That would allow them to rebuild from the offensive line out. Yes, it would be crazy because you would not want to start two rookies on the offensive line. But, in the long run it could be an amazing o-line.

Eagles have actually had some good luck taking running backs in the third round. Duce Staley and Brian Westbrook were both 3rd rounders. Correll Buckhalter was a 4th rounder. Rashad Jennings could be a back they take a little later that could help. Kory Sheets is another guy that could go a little later and work out well in the Eagles offense. Pairing one or possibly both of those guys with Westbrook could work out considering the way the Eagles run the ball.

by Baron Dainer Von Tresvant on Mar 18, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Look at TE

Andy also enjoys drafting big guys up front, so a really good o-lineman with one or both is reasonable. Our d-line is great, but i wouldn’t at all be surprised by another DE or DT since we like to have 4 man rotations at all the DE positions and our depth falls short after the 3rd player at each position. Maybe an OLB to solidify the Jordan / Gaither situation at weakside. Or Gocong, if they feel he’s not the answer.

But, perhaps our biggest weakness is a redzone threat who can block. An elite TE would balance the Eagles offense better than perhaps any other upgrade. Celek is great, has the potential to be elite, but even so the Eagles use a lot of 2 TE sets and in the past they have been most dominant in the redzone when they have two great TEs (Chad Lewis & LJ Smith).

I wouldn’t expect a WR, but it’s always a distinct possibility. I very much doubt the Eagles grab an RB in the 1st round when they have obviously had a lot of success finding later-round RBs (i.e. Westbrook, Buckhalter). A lot of people here would love Knowshon Moreno or a similar back, and that’d be a fun and sexy pick, but if it happens it’d be the mot stunning thing I’ve ever seen Andy Reid do. Our system gives incoming RBs a lot of trouble, and investing a 1st round pick in a player who’s ready to go can actually be a waste since he’d most likely need to be largely shelved for the first year or two while he learns the system. They might as well get a back who has equal talent but is more raw or has a single perceived negative (what they did with Westbrook, for example, as he was perceived as small and a small-school raw back), and let him learn the system while he simultaneously develops, and then unleash a back who’s both complete and knows the system for cheaper than a 1st rounder would be.

by Alon on Mar 18, 2009 9:21 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I kind of agree here.

Suprisingly, the one constant the Eagles had for many years, the offensive line, is in need of help. I am not sold on Stacy Andrews and moving pieces around to be the solution. Andrews is still a question mark coming off an injury and the current roster has done well, but it’s not as if they’ve done well without the two book ends (thomas and runyan). I’m a realist and before yelling to get new offensive toys, we need to be dead sure of the O-Line and their ability to block for McNabb.

I also agree that we can probably trade up for a top T with the dozen draft picks we have. I think everyone is sold on getting blocking TE which plagued us last season (dare I relive the chicago bears game).

The one thing about your analysis that I may not agree with is the RB category. I agree the system is complex but we need a legitamate no.2 that can step in if Westbrook does go down. He hasn’t been healthy lately and since Buck is gone I don’t know if we can bank on an RB being shelved/trained and used sparingly. Additionally, we need to keep Westbrook carries to a limit. He isn’t the same guy as a couple of years ago and we’ve seen what happens if he isn’t healthy. I think it’s finally time that we adopted a 2 back system similar to what many teams run in order to lighten the load and open the playbook a bit.

by soman319 on Mar 18, 2009 9:30 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think they’ll take a RB. It would have to be a back that can catch the ball.

by JasonB on Mar 18, 2009 9:23 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

It would have to be a back that can catch the ball.

And pick up blitzes.

by MRPH on Mar 18, 2009 9:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Well, catching the ball can be taught, too. At least from a technique standpoint. When I commented I was thinking along the lines of instant impact. A sure way of getting into Andy’s doghouse is missing blitz pickup.

by MRPH on Mar 19, 2009 7:15 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I wonder why nobody taught TO yet?

by pooch900 on Mar 19, 2009 1:49 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

LOL

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 19, 2009 2:31 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

you mean a back

like Knowshon?

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 18, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

man, you are going to be one broken hearted guy when we don't take moreno.

despite the mileage, i see us taking donald brown in the second. OT and TE in the first(unless we trade up or down) then we take safety or WR. fullback will come last.

by snowhill82 on Mar 19, 2009 3:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I agree you just have more success with a first round pick

The last 5 years the top 10 has consisted of 52% first rounders, 20% second rounders, 12% third rounders, 6% fourth rounders, 2% fifth rounders, 2% sixth rounders, 0% seventh rounders, 6% undrafted.

I allowed for duplicates because I feel it proves the point more, first rounders that repeated 8, second rounders that repeated 2, third rounders that repeated 1 (Westy!), Rudi Johnson accounts for all the fourth rounders, the only person to repeat lower then that is Willie Parker who was undrafted and skews that number.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 18, 2009 10:38 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

as far as big backs go.....

i wouldn’t mind seeing rudi johnson on our roster.

by snowhill82 on Mar 19, 2009 3:39 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Thanks!

So far, I’ve got as targets Knowshon Moreno at #21 and Eben Britton or Williams Beatty at #28. If I can get a top OT at #21 or by trading up somewhat (Oher?), then I’d look at Donald Brown at #28. Does that sound about right?

by ejruiz on Mar 18, 2009 9:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

I don’t think they’ll look to take a tackle high. Certainly not a RT… They just signed Stacy Andrews for big money to play there. It’s always been the plan for Todd Herremans or Shawn Andrews to take over at LT. I just don’t think they’ll take a lineman that high.

Maybe if an Oher falls… but they won’t reach. The need isn’t that great.

by JasonB on Mar 18, 2009 10:08 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Andy Reid has said “I already have the best LT in the league, he plays RG for me”. I think Andy is 100% fine with our currently LT situations, and we also have Todd Herremans who has taken snaps at LT (he plays LG). Andy drafts lineman that can play multiple positions, so we are already covered in my opinion (and his I think). The only reason our Tackle situation is even a story is because we lost 2 tackles this off season.

I think its much more likely Andy addess WR or OLB with the 28th pick. I read somewhere that they really like Larry English and Clay Matthews at the senior bowl, and Hakeem Nicks wrote on his blog that Andy Reid said he would look good with wings on his helmet.

by Clyde Simmons on Mar 19, 2009 8:01 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I think if the Eagles draft an O-lineman early, their first one well be Max Unger. He is one of the best centers to come through the draft in some time, and he also has the versatility to play LG, RG and RT.

by Clyde Simmons on Mar 19, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Darrius Heyward-Bey.

Any chance the Iggles want him at #21 if he’s there?

by ejruiz on Mar 18, 2009 10:16 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 18, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

negative

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Mar 19, 2009 8:02 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

We dont need another speedster, we need a receiver with good hands that runs good routes and can play physcially. Kenny Britt and Hakeem Nicks come to mind.

by Clyde Simmons on Mar 19, 2009 8:03 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Trade Up.

Would Philly consider trading up to snag a falling top OT or Crabtree? Maybe package both first rounders to catch Eugene Monroe at #7 or Crabtree at that same spot?

by ejruiz on Mar 18, 2009 10:17 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

plausable...

but i dont think they will… We are not that desperate for Crabtree as people make think we are and we can still get a solid OT where we are.

knowshon... Knowshon... KNOWSHON!!!!

by anuj on Mar 18, 2009 10:28 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Agreed on Crabtree

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Mar 18, 2009 11:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

What about Anquan??

what do you think about the possibility of Philly trading picks to get to Boldin?

by Iggles Fan 4 Life on Mar 19, 2009 4:13 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

maybe at tackle ...

… but not at wide receiver. They have an awful lot of picks, they love offensive linemen, and they must see the need. The Eagles have not shied away from making relatively big moves in the off-season provided it was for the team’s long-term benefit (Runyan, Kearse, and Owens for example). If they saw Monroe as a sure-fire decade long fixture at tackle I think they might be tempted.

by dave in san mateo on Mar 18, 2009 11:33 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Go for Kenny Britt

Britt is a hometown talent that fills a need. Reid & Co. will draft a OL at 28 or later

by daankazi on Mar 19, 2009 7:05 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

I dislike the term "Complementary back"

What the heck does complementary back mean? I want a back who can play well in the West Coast system. If you’re a good back, you’re a good back; you compliment the system and team.

E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!

by Joe_D on Mar 18, 2009 11:45 PM EDT reply actions   0 recs

+1

IMO we will take a RB in the first two rounds! it should be Moreno or Brown!

and for now i´m jumping on the anuj bandwagon: KNOWSHON!!! KNOWSHON!!!

by daveG10 on Mar 19, 2009 5:29 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

when i think complimentary back...

michael turner comes to mind when he played for san diego.

by snowhill82 on Mar 19, 2009 3:42 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

28th pick Pettigrew

To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her

by XxBleedGreen5xX on Mar 19, 2009 8:15 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

1) In no particular order OT/RB/TE/CB. In the very least, we need to replenish our vacancies along the offensive line. We signed Stacy Andrews, but that leaves us an opening, either a starter or for depth. I would look to pick up an OT. Reid drafts OTs, has them play guard to get their feet wet and then can bump them out to tackle. As for a RB, Moreno and Brown are the two I’d be targeting. I’ll address more in my response to your third question. We lost LJ Smith (our fanbase sheds a tear) and I would be surprised if Shoebel is still on the roster after camp. I would look to draft 2 TEs actually, and one of them early. Athough, I would really want a blocking TE, the only one available is Pettigrew and I don’t think he’s worth the 21st pick, and I’m sure the Falcons will scoop him up right after us. Yes, I put CB on the list. When Taylor and Vincent were fixtures in Philly, we drafted Sheppard and Brown to be their replacements. Who here realizes that Brown is now older than Taylor was when we drafted Brown. We have no idea what we have in Jack Ikegwuonu. Sheldon is signed through 2012, but after the 2009 season he can be cut with no cap hit. We should be looking for insurance incase Ikegwuonu doesn’t pan out.

2) I think the talent base in the draft is poorly distributed. You have a small % of players who are clearly head and shoulders above the rest. After that, there’s a fairly substantial drop off to the next tier of player. I think picks 1-5 or 1-8 deserve to go that high, but the next 30 picks are actually all players who deserve to be taken between picks 20 and 35. If someone who should be going in the top 8 falls into the 15-17 range, I’d package the #21 pick and a third round pick to grab them. That’s the only way I trade up in this draft.

3) Westbrook is 30. Can he still be productive? Sure, but I don’t know for how long. At this point, we need to draft his future replacement. I wouldn’t even look at Wells. He’s a poor blocker, can’t pick up the blitz, shows no ambition to learn, is a poor film student, and can’t catch the ball. We need our backs to do those things. Moreno and Brown are the only two that I see that fit what we need.

4) If, by our premium pick, you mean the #21 pick… I doubt it.

I’m not sure how many rounds you’re going here. If it were me, I’d take Moreno at #21. If he’s not availabe, Brown. #28 is going to be a tough one to call. I think the OT is very deep in this draft, and I think we’re looking for depth, so it can be addressed in round 3. I’m assuming Pettigrew is already off the board at this point (if not he is a possibility), and the TE I’m looking at will come next round. This is a spot where I could see a wildcard pick… WR/CB/LB. If Pettigrew is gone, I’d honestly say to take the best available player out of those three positions. I like Chase Coffman out of Missouri @ TE with the #53 pick in the second round. If you hit the third round, best available OT with the #85 pick.

"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel

by foos05 on Mar 19, 2009 8:26 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

Alex Mack

Pick 21. Knowshon

Pick 28. Draft Alex mack,
Slide Jamal Jackson to Lt Guard and Herremens to LT Tackle.
Upgrade at at least 2 positions.

by EagleGreeninMD on Mar 19, 2009 8:59 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

no way JJackson gets the guard spot

he was spotty playing center and we have MJG and Nick Cole who have proven to be good fillins no way does JJackson get any spot if we get a center in the draft

To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her

by XxBleedGreen5xX on Mar 19, 2009 9:49 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

his natural position is Guard so if he’s spotty at Center … which I don’t agree with, we can assume moving him to Guard would be an upgrade.

The Centers job is to be the QB of the line he calls out blitzes and assigns the line I think Jackson has done a very good job of this.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 19, 2009 9:56 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Moving on up to 4 (Seattle) for Monroe

Wouldn’t surprise me if the eagles moved up 2 the 4 slot (Seattle) and gave them a 5th round & a future draft pick. Seattle already said that the Eagles have contacted them about moving up into their slot and this just makes the reality of it happening more likely. If they have to trade a 1st rounder, i’ll go Monroe @ 4 & Knowshon @ 21. Their will be a TE later in the draft & Pettigrew’s draft stock is dropping. (plus other rumors have the eagles aquiring Denver’s TE & if that happens we don’t need to worry about him.) 2nd round i’ll go S, but no more Greg Lewis is screaming the Eagles are looking for another WR so if they can’t get a trade for Boldin or ne one else, then we’ll prob see a WR sometime during the draft.

by sports00fan00 on Mar 19, 2009 9:43 AM EDT reply actions   0 recs

A FIFTH ROUND PICK AND FUTURE PICK FOR A TOP 4 SPOT!?!?!?!?!?

(no offense) are u stupid

To me the Eagles are like that girlfriend that pisses u off, then u hate her, but the next morning you wake up and remember that thing u love so much about her

by XxBleedGreen5xX on Mar 19, 2009 9:48 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

i think he meant in addition to the #28

but that still wouldn’t be enough to get it done

by Alon on Mar 19, 2009 10:00 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

yeah sorry i must have erased "pick 28"

& who honestly knows what the eagles r gonna do.

by sports00fan00 on Mar 19, 2009 4:44 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

Seattle already said that the Eagles have contacted them about moving up into their slot

Link please … plus didn’t you see our mock draft Monroe will be gone by pick 3.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 19, 2009 9:58 AM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

it just says ...

it’s a possibility … neither the Eagles nor Seattle has actually said anything to that effect. It’s just speculation, like if I said … The Eagles could trade with the Chiefs and select one of the top OTs … it’s a possibility but it’s also pure speculation.

"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"

by Whodie126 on Mar 19, 2009 5:14 PM EDT up reply actions   0 recs

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