Broncos sign Dawkins to huge contract
by JasonB on Feb 28, 2009 2:04 PM EST
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PrintWell, now we know why the Eagles didn't match... Adam Schefter is reporter that Brian Dawkins has signed a 5 year $17 million contract with $7.2 million guaranteed.
I must say... that changes the way I feel about this situation. The Eagles were never going to match for a 36 year old player, no matter how great he was.
Now, some of that is funny money. Reports are that he'll make $9 million over the first two years, which is the important part... but still a ton of money. Obviously the Broncos needed to wildly overpay to get him and they did that and got their man.
Best of luck Dawkins and congratulations on that contract.
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Yeah...
…can you defend giving him this kind of money? I know we all love him, but they overpaid. Congrats to him and best of luck in Denver.
hosed?
Sorry, but the value is there from our point of view. Your team is used to being solid on defense. Our was the absolute worst last year. Dawkins will bring leadership and a heck of a lot of toughness to a team that is sore need of both.
When I saw the numbers I thought “fair”.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
If the intangibles transfer over
He’ll be worth every penny to that team.
Congrats to BDawk and CBuck
by andyreidswaistline on Feb 28, 2009 3:24 PM EST up reply actions
P.S.
Peter King reported that Dawkins made 7.2 million the past three years. This deal gives him that guaranteed over the next two.
So sad.
I hate to see players of this caliber do this at the end of their careers. Good Luck B Dawk. Enjoy that paycheck.
Looking Mean in Kelly Green
its sad to see him go
im angry but understand best of luck to him and im excited for demps
Now, some of that is funny money. Reports are that he’ll make $9 million over the first two years, which is the important part… but still a ton of money. Obviously the Broncos needed to wildly overpay to get him and they did that and got their man.
Best of luck Dawkins and conrgratulations on that contract.
^exactly^^
Yeah, but I’ll be pissed again if he felt the Eagles lowballed him with a 1-year deal and a 2 year deal could have kept him here.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
We do not and will not over pay for players
Loyalty can only go so far. At some point being too loyal ends up hurting the team. If we signed him to even 3/4 of that contract, it would’ve hurt the team.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
feelin better
If you look at it on the other side, I know we all love dawkins and would have loved to see him stay, but I wouldn’t have been happy with the FO if the offered him 5 yrs!! (7.2 mill GUARANTEED over the next 2.)
Best of luck BDawk, well miss you
Funny
that news changes everything. this is the best thing for everyone involved. Dawk, Broncos, Eagles, hell even for Buck. He’s got at least one bud on his new team now.
Definitely
Which makes me disappointed at Dawk than mad at the front office. Its once thing if he went to a Super Bowl contender for more money, but the Broncos? Sorry, but they are not a contender. If he really wanted a ring he would have stayed he. But I guess money and years are more important.
As much as I love Dawk, I think this is going to turn out to be a huge mistake for him. The Broncos will go no where, and the Eagles will win the Super Bowl. And Dawk will be cut at the end of next season anyway- or be benched.
Can't Decide...
If I’m pissed or relieved to know that there was never really a chance of re-signing him.
Either way, glad he’s getting a payday. Best of luck, Dawk.
Arizona made it to the dance
You never know what the Broncos might do next year
Hmm
If there was a poll up right now about whether you would’ve made this deal, I’m betting 99% of people would say NO.
Defender and apologist
and there is no way I could justify.
Now that that's behind us
Let’s sign us some offensive weapons!
I bleed green and I piss silver and blue
It is alot of money...
I am purely looking at it as a 2-year / $9 million deal. Is he worth that?
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I appreciate it...
The Broncos signed John Lynch to a similar deal(4 years 16 mil) when they got him and I was concerned then. It worked out, so it was worth it. The safety play was just so god-awful last year the Bronocs had to do something. Plus, his leadership in the locker room and with Josh Barrett(young safety rough around the edges) might be just as important as his on-field production…
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Yeah I mean that's my opinion
Others on this board would probably be happy to pay him that much. I think he got paid 7.2 million over the last three years. Considering he’s going to be 36 I couldn’t justify another 9 million over the next two years. Definitely going to help you in your locker room though.
Depends...
I wrote an article about the impact of this move that i’m going to publish in an hour or so when people get their chance to comment here. I talk a lot about what his role on the team had become.
Is he worth it? Probably not. But what free agents are truly "worth" the money they get?
I think the question of whether he can be productive for you guys depends entirely on how you use him. As a safety in coverage… I don’t think so. He just wasn’t able to do that anymore last year. He was most effective playing close to the line of scrimmage as a safety/LB hybrid. If he’s used in that role, I believe he can be productive for at least another year. He can get to the QB, he can force fumbles… but he’s just not a “center field” type safety anymore.
I think he'll play...
that John Lynch, Rodney Harrison role. Close to the line of scrimmage, almost another linebacker…
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No, but I’m guessing that it wouldn’t have taken this much to keep him in Philly, and I’m guessing Dawk felt low-balled.
Our FO and their system pisses me off sometimes. Because, you know, it’s worked out so fucking well.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
And won so many of them!
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
Which FO would you rather have? The Bengals? Jerry Jones ? Al Davis? Snyder?
Think LOGICALLY not all pissed off and irrationally.
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
Dude, I’m sorry. I am pissed off. I just think it was probably a matter of “don’t make Dawk an offer he finds insulting” rather than having to match Denver’s.
I wonder if I can bill Jeff Lurie and Peter Angelos for the years of therapy their teams are going to put me through.
sad or mad
i just watched that video of dawk crying after the giants game, im gonna miss that leadership. dont know how i should really feel about this
So who takes his place?
I guess Demps? We know he’s got the physical tools…. but Dawkins had a nose for the ball.
Its going to be really hard to see Brian with a bronco on his helmet.
like someone posted earlier i think we should take a look a phillips from tampa bay, got good size and strength…
Ed is that you?
There will never be another!
Brian Dawkins #20
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
Gone but NEVER Forgotten
i used to know an ed muldoon
There will never be another!
Brian Dawkins #20
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
Gone but NEVER Forgotten
It set in now... this is a huge loss
There will never be another!
Brian Dawkins #20
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
Gone but NEVER Forgotten
Yea I can’t believe this after thirteen years of service. For some reason I didn’t believe any of it until the very end, because I always thought Dawk was all about the team and loyalty, etc. etc. I guess it turns out enough $$$ can change anybody’s values…
either that or our FO pissed him off -__-
as an outsider looking in
with all the cap space the birds have why not bring him back for 2 years and 8-9 mill…He is the heart and soul of your defense…not the same defense without dawk…I got alot repsect for dawk …
At what point does it matter that he’ll be 36 and 37? Where are the safeties around the league worth 9 million that are 36 and 37?
thats true i agree
I just see him being the glue to that defense even though he lost a step he still has a nose for the ball..Its a tough call for the birds and sooner nor later u have to let go, but this one is tough…It will be different seeing him in that denver uni…Similar to seeing emmitt sporting the ariz uni..its tough…
Although I have to admit...
I hope it works out for Dawkins just a little bit better than it did for Emmitt. Here’s hoping to one more season in the sun for Dawkins before he loses it completely.
The monster at the end of this blog.
Cap
$127 million per year for 53 players.
That’s an average of $2.4 million.
When you give a Dawkins $4.5 million per year, you are essentially saying that instead of a proven veteran at another position, you are content with an undrafted rookie free agent earning the league minimum. You know, a Reno Mahe or a Greg Lewis.
Yeah, we must have fiscal sanity because the Eagles are so cash strapped. Im glad they’ll be able to continue operations now. This owner and his hentchmen are like parasites sucking money and fun out of the football in this town.
The Future
The Birds have other plans. They’re not stupid. They must see another safety in free agency or a trade or the draft, or maybe they’ll promote from within (Demps) or move players around (Brown to FS?). But they’ve got a plan.
heres a dumb question...
who is the last one out of the defensive tunnel now?
There will never be another!
Brian Dawkins #20
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
Gone but NEVER Forgotten
I'm looking forward to that ...
…. because I think that’s where he’ll be missed the most, in the leadership/locker room stuff.
In fact, it’s McNabb & Westbrook’s locker room now, no?
In no universe...
…is $9 million a year for a 36 year old safety “cheap”. It may be a good signing, but it’s not cheap.
Our safety play..........
Had you seen our safety play last year, you would think this was cheap too. The consistent atrociousness of our safeties last year has made some of us want to smooke our underwear. LOL
We gotta get nastier on D!!!!!!!!!
they probably don't realize what they're getting
as much as i love dawk, this isn’t the dawkins of old. they likely think they’re getting a dominant top tier safety in the league, but as age catches up he’s just not that player any more. to me, they payed for a good player on the decline, but an amazing and almost a non-replaceable leader. if you haven’t followed him recently, on name recognition alone they’re thinking probably thinking he’s what he used to be.
I’m not sure if they’re even getting a safety anymore… They’re getting a guy that plays very close to the line of scrimmage and defends the run and rushes the passer. That’s usually called a LB.
That said, he was great in that role down the stretch.
Dude broncos fans are not from mars I live here in philly watched every eagles game we know what kind of player we got
by broncosfaninphilly on Feb 28, 2009 2:47 PM EST up reply actions
its basically a 2 year deal it will not kill denvers cap....
its not like the fasn are digging in there pockets for it so who cares….the eagles could have afforded it with 48 mill under the cap
if the eagles enter the season under the cap then i would be upset if i was a eagle fan
if they spend the cap space then thats a different story
No we're not.
We think it’s a good signing. Not cheap, but we definitely don’t think we overpaid too badly.
I'm the Hiphopopotamous, flows that glow like phosphorous. I'm poppin' off the top of this esophagus, rockin' this metropolis. I'm not a large water-dwelling mammal, where did you get that preposterous hypothesis? Did Steve tell you that, perchance? Steve...
If any Broncos fans feel like coming here and “gloating” or something about this. Believe, I will ban you in a second. It’s not funny, we’re not in the mood to joke.
Not here to gloat, just a little crossblogging.
I’m not one to comeon other blogs and cause trouble. We understand what you guys are going through. I am remembering the horrible feeling I had when Atwater went to the Jets.
We gotta get nastier on D!!!!!!!!!
Honestly Denver,
Dawk and Buck were two of the best people to ever play here. Can you give us a minute.
Bye Bye Bdawk
He’ll bring some intensity to the team locker room, but seriously folks; Denver is a place where DB’s fly low
9 million over 2 years is essentially what this deal is worth. Why would you not pay Dawkins that. The argument that he isn’t worth it is only valid if we operate under the assumption the Eagles will spend up to the cap… which all evidence indicates they will NOT do. So if thats the case, “overpaying” really doesn’t matter, why not keep an big part of your defense rather than let him go.
Good question
They must have another plan in place. Either to promote Demps, move Brown to FS or bring in another player to replace Dawkins. That’s doable. You can find a better FS than him, sad to say.
unless we bring in
Ed freakin Reed, Im sliiiiightly disillusioned with football right now. Yes, it was alot of money, but I am not the least bit confident with Demps as our starting FS.
And Im not serious about Reed, just talking in relative terms.
Playing devil's advocate
I’m going to put up a post about this in detail and I don’t totally agree with what I’m about to say.. but this is the counter argument.
Youd be overpaying for a big part of your defense last year. The question is whether you think the $9 million will buy you a guy that will continue to be a big part of your D at 36 and 37 years old.
the sad truth is; #20 just wasn’t consistent enough or wasn’t on the field enough to be as effective. The game he had in Giants Stadium was one for the ages. And I kinda feel this was the end for him when he broke down and held back tears… Where was he in the Cardinals game? he was hurt or sore, I don’t know what, but Demps was out there instead and it wasnt pretty
For me it comes down to whether the money will be spent somewhere else or not. If it is spent somewhere else, then not overpaying for an aging player is the right decision. But knowing the Eagles, the money will not be spent, which makes me question the move. I would rather pay 4.5 million and have a guy like Dawkins on the roster than be 10-15 million under the cap.
Just to throw this out there
I hope Dawk gets a 10 minute standing ovation when we play Denver
There will never be another!
Brian Dawkins #20
April 20, 1996 - February 28, 2009
Gone but NEVER Forgotten
Can I IM you please...
Sorry to put these comments here, but I’d like to chat quickly…
-TSG
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Hello Philly! Broncos fan here.
First of all, I want to say that I have nothing but respect for your team and thier fans. I understand that this is a sore subject and I apologise if this question is taken as in bad taste. I understand completely if you decide to ignore it. Here goes, what amount of decline have you seen in Dawk/Buck? Living in Denver I have very little chance to see them play. Realistically how many more years do they have in them? We signed them to 5 year and 4 year deals, respectively. Was this too much? In what ways have they declined? Speed? Durability?
Thank you for your time in reading and responding to this post. I wish you all the well in this offseason and the coming season. Also, I am rooting for you in the Housh lottery. Good luck.
You're better than most of your cohorts who came on here...
…in my opinion Buck has some good years left in him. He’s been nothing but productive when given the opportunities and even though he’s 30 he missed 3 whole seasons. But he’s got reconstructed knees and is one injury away from being done in the NFL.
As for Dawkins, his coverage skills have really declined. He’s not the same FS he was even two years ago but he’s still great around the line of scrimmage.
bucky was a stud as a rookie and messed up one of his knees in the NFCCC against the Rams back in ’00… one of the reason we lost i think.
then he tore the other knee in a pre-season game, might have been the same one… can’t remember, had many setbacks until finally years down the road, i think he had two tears on one knee and one on the other… this might have been his most productive year per yards average and receiving, so after 8 years the man wants a chance to start and i think he’ll be a stud for Denver, maybe for 3 years if he doesnt get hurt again. This is new territory, When he was the featured back last season a couple times, his numbers were great. He played for a team that didn’t give him the ball, so Bucky turned that into a positive and made the most of it… meaning the dude has great character…
Dawkins- he’ll give you two good years… then i bet the Broncos release him, or try to get him an office job.
try to get him an office jobI would rather he get an office job for the Phillys. secondary coach?
We need a heart to live.... Resign Dawkins, the heart of the Philadelphia Eagles!
coach dawk
he would make a great coach… secondary or special teams… maybe the next Singletary down the road?
Sad day for me
But it had to happen eventually. As much as I wanted him to stay I don’t know how happy I would have been if we paid what Denver did. I think we’ll miss him more in the leadership department than on the field.
He worked hard and held himself accountable. He gave us everything he had while he was here.
Thanks for the memories, Dawk.
Two things to realize
1) We said much the same things when jeremiah Trotter left, to a somewhat lesser degree. Obvisouly Trotter wasn’t at this level of fan-love, but he was heart/soul/locker room leader for the eagles.
2) Leadership is situational, and if Denver paid money for that, they may be a little disppointed. Dawk was leader here because he’d been through hell and back again, we each feel like we’ve been through the trenches with him. You just don’t walk out of situation 1 and into situation 2 and display the same leadership traits that were earned over years with a team. He is going to have to adjust to that locker room, and before he makes a huge impact, he may be most of the way through Yr 1 of the contract, with his skills declining more.
I’ll tell you, as aN FO, the Eagles sometimes have to make some tough decisions. But they get more right then wrong. Nobody, no team makes all the right decisions. So express your love for the man, remember the highlights, and wait for him to come back as a secondary coach in 3-4 years. Now, time to move on.
E-A-G-L-E-S! EAGLES!!!!! IN ’09
Plus, Denver people are mean. Not very Christian.
"Dig In....Hit Hard"
What?!
Sorry, but I take offense to that. Not cool at all.
I don’t want breakaway speed. I want break-some-poor-fool-as-I-bowl-you-over power getting 6 yards off a play that should have been stopped for 2 at most.
What's Offensive about it?
I lived in NE Philly for 23 years, I know mean. The people of Denver have been Cali-Fornicated, and in general are very mean, selfish, and self-serving. There’s a reason anyone not from Denver starts planning the days they move away from there.
That being said, I sincerely hope Dawk is able to make his $9 Mil over two years and is back in Philly in 3-4 years as a special assistant coach for the Eagles.
"Dig In....Hit Hard"
Thank You
Brian ‘Weapon X’ Dawkins, for 13 years of putting your body and mind on the line for this team. Thank you for the pounding hits, the killer sacks and the amazing INTs. Thank you Brian for being my hero, and always being my hero. Thank you for wearing green and ripping the heads off those in blue. Thank you Brian for giving me a reason to watch the game. Thank you for letting me proudly wear #20 on my back. Thank you Mr. Dawkins, may you have 5 prosperious years at Denver and my you recieve the same love you had here. Thank you and God speed Brian Dawkins
We need a heart to live.... Resign Dawkins, the heart of the Philadelphia Eagles!
I'm gonna miss the man
The crazy entrances, emotional postgame speeches, the pregame peptalks… I’ll miss it all. Best of luck to Dawk. I love that man
Maybe next year
This may have already been said but....
A new HC has a proven leader on defense. It’s kinda like when Belichick got the NE job and then signed Bryan Cox. For that reason alone he’ll be worth every penny to Denver.
Interesting theory
I was of the opinion that he’d be a lot better for us next year than he would be for Denver.
I guess it really depends on how they use him, either situationally or with less responsibility in pass coverage.
I guess he can’t change his ways, as far as how hard he works and how intense he is on the field, but who knows if the new Broncos D will be suited to his skills or not.
I guess he’s not the guy to doubt though.
No doubt he would have been a lot better for us. I think I see what Denver’s doing as far as signing Dawk. I get why the FO didn’t match. What I don’t get is why Dawk chose Denver. They could win a SB but they probably won’t. Was the money really that good or were we just too hard headed to add a 2nd year to his contract?
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