SanTOEnio Holmes

by goodfella46er on Feb 2, 2009 9:54 PM EST

Call me crazy for caring, but I honestly don't think Santonio Holmes placed his right foot down in the endzone for the game winning TD. It was my initial thought as I watched it during game speed, as it probably was for mostly everyone else since the NFL speed is so ridiculously crazy.

But then the replays of his feet made me change my mind and concede that he scored.... ......until I saw that that one angle.

I'm talking about the angle that looked like the footage was being taken from where the right Offensive Tackle would have been. It was only shown once on TV, but it convinced me that I was right. (OK maybe convince is a strong term - but it made me feel pretty confident about it)

It's my firm belief that Santonio's right foot was resting on his left foot, and didn't actually touch the ground... at all!! As I kept my eye on his right toes during the entire clip (from that one angle) - I clearly saw that his cleats were caught up and there was space between his right foot and the ground throughout the whole play. All other angles make it difficult to notice if there's any air under his foot, except this one.

I have no love for the Cardinals (who just beat my team), and I have absolutely nothing against the Steelers - I'd rather see them win it all before I watch another ring go to the Cowboys, Giants, or Patriots.

I'm just wondering why no one else is even debating this. I went onto the Arizona blog after the game and unless I'm missing something, there wasn't one comment about whether or not they were robbed.

To be fair, if this call went the other way and the officials called back the TD - I honestly think there would have been more of an outrage and I would understand why. The one angle I showed isn't "overwhelming evidence" or whatever its called in the rulebook.

All I'm saying is that don't you think this is worth maybe a little discussion? Or an ESPN mention here or there? Oh yeah - that assumes people outside of Pittsburgh and Arizona actually cared.

Here's a pic on the play - yeah you can make the argument that his foot touched the ground either before or after this one nanosecond when the picture was taken. But I still say that the other angle showed it was like this throughout the whole play:

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Same thing went through my mind

when they showed a field level shot, never saw his right foot scrape the grass or anything. I’d like to see it again.

by Benthere on Feb 2, 2009 10:32 PM EST reply actions

i completely agree with you...

i was convinced last night that his right foot didnt go down. I think the call would have stood whichever way it was called on the field. there wasnt any one angle that was 100% conclusive. That kinda brings up another issue i have….all of the millions and millions of dollars spent on these games, why isnt every single inch of this field under 10 camera lenses? i get so mad when they have to make their decision based off of poor angles. the one that kills me is the “did he cross the goal line” one with the camera shot from the 5 yard line. WHY isnt it ON the goal line??

by GreenInBaltimore on Feb 2, 2009 10:32 PM EST reply actions

they should put a camera in the pylon

by eagleyosh on Feb 2, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions

very good idea +1 wonder why they dont ???

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by EAGLE_MAN71 on Feb 3, 2009 3:55 AM EST up reply actions

logistically challenging...

i don’t know how they would get the video feed out of the pylon. it would have to be wireless since they get kicked around so much. and then those things get kicked around a lot, so a lot of cameras would be destroyed. if they could figure it out, it would be a good idea, but it’s probably really complicated

by eagleyosh on Feb 3, 2009 11:30 AM EST up reply actions

+1

For as many cameras as I see around the field it only seems like 2 or 3 of them are watchin the end zone and the rest are filming the crowds and coaches. I remember this discussion comoin up after our game against the Bears in sept and if Buck (I think) crossed the goal line

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by midnitegreen on Feb 3, 2009 1:17 AM EST up reply actions

You'll never see every inch of the field under 10 camera lenses,

because the networks would never pay for that. The refs use the networks’ footage. It’s not an NFL feed. (Except for games on the NFL Network ;-) )

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by DbacksSkins on Feb 3, 2009 7:37 PM EST up reply actions

I was actually thinking that during the SB when they were reviewing it. I couldn’t find an angle that was definitive though. Wonder if it is possible to put together a 5 second highdef video for all to see.

by Clyde Simmons on Feb 3, 2009 8:14 AM EST reply actions

maybe next year they'll have sensors in the toes of WR shoes

LOL

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by 700 Level on Feb 3, 2009 8:29 AM EST reply actions

hahaha let’s work on making PI reviewable first

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by foos05 on Feb 3, 2009 11:15 AM EST up reply actions

One of the NBC ground level replays showed his toe clearly hitting the ground. I’m not sure if it is before or after the picture in this post.

You can see it in this photo.

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by MBandi on Feb 3, 2009 7:29 PM EST reply actions

Problem is,

there’s no way to tell whether or not he has the ball from that angle. We already KNOW that he dragged his toes BEFORE he caught it…. but what about during/after?

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by DbacksSkins on Feb 3, 2009 7:35 PM EST up reply actions

I noticed that too during one of the replays, I said thought that it was possible that one

of the tose wasn’t completely down. Your picture verifies that.

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by yophillybro on Feb 4, 2009 1:15 PM EST reply actions

And I also recall that one replay. I looked pretty clear from that one shot, but it wasn't mentioned again

I thought Holmes feet were in position, but both feet didn’t actually touch the ground. He may have been off about 1 inch. I totally agree and saw that one reply you mentioned.

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by yophillybro on Feb 4, 2009 1:21 PM EST up reply actions