Projecting T.J. As An Eagle
by foos05 on Feb 18, 2009 9:23 AM EST
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Right now, T.J. Houshmandzadeh is the talk of the town; both literally and figuratively. I thought it would be an interesting exercise to take a closer look at T.J.’s body of work and examine just what kind of production we could expect from him if the Eagles were to go out and pull the trigger and sign him.
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Before we proceed any further, let me caution you by being completely honest with my assessment. First, there are a great many assumptions that went into this analysis; which I will cover in due time. Second, take this projection for what it is; a projection of possible outcomes, nothing more, nothing less.
Here we go. First, let’s get some of the problems with doing this analysis into the light. To make this possible, I had to break down total completions by season by X, Y, and Z receivers. The inherent problem with this is Andy’s constant receiver merry-go-round throughout the years. I tried to tackle this problem the best way I could. Second, I’m working with completion numbers, not targets. It wasn’t possible to break all of this down by targets and try to figure out if Reggie Brown happened to be the Y versus an X. This leads to some issues with catch rate not being totally accurate, but for our purposes, I think this is a fair concession. Additionally, one of the really difficult hurdles is actually DeSean Jackson. We only have one year of work, and that’s a rookie season. This leads to an extremely poor sample size, and some logic issues when dealing with TD receptions. We’ll cover those when we get to them. Finally, a good chunk of the statistics used in this were from other offensive systems. I’m sure the problem there is obvious.
Okay, now onto the assumptions that will be present. First, I’m assuming that Jackson, Houshmandzadeh, and Curtis would be the X, Y, and Z receivers respectively. Second, I’m assuming that our play calling philosophy would remain constant. Brian Westbrook is still our bread and butter, and everything flows from there. Finally, I’m assuming that our progressions within the passing scheme will remain constant. For example, if the X receiver has always been the primary target in Play Q, then he will still be the primary. This allows me to kind of generalize the percentage of total completions that go to each receiver.
Let’s venture into the data I used a bit. As I said, I broke down the percentage of completions for our X, Y, and Z receivers. Our offensive system is set up such that our X receiver gets about 27% of the total completions, the Y about 21% of the total completions, and the Z about 15%. This shouldn’t really be a surprise. We use lots of receivers and we spread the ball around a lot. The remaining 37% go to running backs, tight ends, and other wide outs. Donovan McNabb averages about 303 completions per 16 games, so we’re going to assume another fully healthy season and use that as our mark.
I used DeSean Jackson’s YPC statistic from this season; which was 14.7. His touchdown per reception figure is putrid. Due to some rookie mistakes and other such instances, he should have had a few more TDs. Also, he was only a rookie. Typically, top tier WRs have much better TD production following their first year so when I project his TDs, that number is simply a gut feeling. Houshmandzadeh is used to playing the X, so I used his YPC and TD/reception figure from the past three years with the Bengals. I wanted to get a good sample size, but a recent sample size to account for any trend in production drop. Finally, just using Curtis’ numbers as the X or Y in the Eagles offense wouldn’t be valid, so I went back to his final three seasons with
|
Receiver |
Receptions |
Yards |
YPC |
TD |
|
Jackson (X) |
80 |
1179 |
14.70 |
9 |
|
Houshmandzadeh (Y) |
64 |
676 |
10.64 |
5 |
|
Curtis (Z) |
47 |
606 |
12.93 |
5 |
|
|
191 |
2460 |
12.91 |
19 |
There you have it. Like I said, it’s only a projection, but the numbers seem to fit. McNabb’s total yards per 16 games is about 3500, and this is about 70% of that production. Again, this projection is assuming that Andy continues what he started the last half of the season and uses his top 3 receivers more consistently. Westbrook averages about 583 yards per 16 games, taking us to 3043, and the tight ends and occasional sub receiver/4th receiver take up the rest. The blessing and curse in our offensive scheme is how much we get the ball to our 3rd WRs and Brian Westbrook. They take catches away from the top two wideouts. In our offensive system, it’s pretty important for our Y receiver to have a good YPC average, and I’m not certain if mid 10’s is going to cut it. As a quick substitution, if you put in a 13 in the YPC column for the Y receiver, the yards value changes to 832.
I’m not saying that Houshmandzadeh isn’t a good receiver, I’m just not certain that he’s the kind of player we should target if we’re looking for an upgrade in that department.
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Very interesting analysis. However, I would argue that if the team went out and spent big bucks that we’d at least see some alteration in the playcalling to take advantage of that player.
Plus, we know Andy designs plays for specific guys. I remember him joking that the whole first side of his playcalling sheet were TO plays… I would think it’s safe to assume that TJ would have a fair number of plays designed specifically for him.
Whether this translates to greater numbers than you’ve projected… I don’t know.
I know. That’s one of the problems that I had while trying to look at this. There’s no way for me to accurately say what would change, so I kind of had to say with the status quo for the purposes. Also, the other side to that coin is that I could also venture a guess that Andy’s playcalling would also look more toward the Z since Curtis would be an extreme mismatch on any 3rd corner via skill, technique and possibly speed… and definitely against any LB due to speed. I just thought it good to get some kind of numbers behind this push for Housh.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
This is why the Eagles aren't signing him
Why would they pay FA money for 64-676-5? Even if that’s a low projection you would be taking balls from Curtis who is younger and just as good as Houshmandzadeh. If TJ takes a small money deal it might work but I just don’t see him taking #3 money.
/still amazed Eagles fans are still pining for a 31 yo possession receiver
Curtis just as good as TJ.
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ok now that i got that out i dont thnk ANYBODY would say “well is the eagles sign TJ he will have to compete for the starting job against Curtis”
There is no way that Curtis is “Just as good as TJ” their numbers dont evern compare
by NickPampani on Feb 18, 2009 10:39 AM EST up reply actions
I agree with DK Jr. on this one Nick Curtis is just as good as TJ. TJ has been a favorite target of Carson for awhile, Curtis was buried behind Holt and Bruce in St Louis and actually had a great year when Bruce was hurt.
In his first year on the Eagles and as a number 1 Curtis put up excellent number getting over 1,000 yards on just 77 catches for an average of 14.4. TJ has broke 1,000 twice and it has taken him 90 and 112 catches to do so at a 12 and 10 average. I know it’s a small sample size but Curtis has the talent.
I think TJ is talented and wouldn’t mind having a player like him on my team but I really don’t think he is significantly better then Curtis.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Some numbers don't compare
Curtis has significantly better yards per catch than TJ Houshmandzadeh.
Which numbers are you looking at?
im looking at overall career production. Curtis is great but put him on alot of teams and he is not being the #1 TJ is
Nice Post! Rec'd
It’s good to get a view of what we might see even though there are tons of assumptions. I also don’t think it’s fair to demote Curtis to the number 3 spot and give Jackson the number 1 just yet. Curtis had injury issues this year but had a great first year for the team. I believe he is a number 1 threat (which most don’t) and that is why he was brought here, not to resume his role in the slot like in the St Louis days. I understand why you did it, I just don’t think the Eagles would go that route.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
To be honest, I do not think Andy considers anyone a #1 reciever on this team. Jackson was the crossing pattern and deep threat, Curtis was a 10 yard out/slant comeback guy with speed to get deep as well, and Avant was the possession guy over the middle. Adding TJ, in my opinion, would add another possession receiver on the outside. Between Avant, Curtis Jackson and TJ I think you would get a pretty good mix of talent.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 18, 2009 11:01 AM EST up reply actions
agreed.
but remember earlier in the season when we were using many receivers rotating in and out. There was no time to get a rhythm and we struggled. When they cut it back to DJ, Curtis, Avant/Basket we did much better.
Granted injuries had a lot to do with the multiple man rotation but still, I think adding TJ just confuses this more unless you significantly cut down all other WRs PT.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
i agree as well...
andy isnt the kind of coach who likes to give people labels, i.e. #1, 2 or 3. there’s plays that work for some, and plays that work best for others. he doesnt go counting how many plays each gets and giving more catches to that person. he goes with whats needed at that particular time on the field. either way, if the eagles need to make this move. they’ll have three above average receivers and defenses will scramble to double whoever is getting the ball and leave the other guys open.
exactly my point. personally, I think adding TJ with Avant on the field gives McNabb 2 VERY good options on third down with sure handed receivers.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 18, 2009 4:37 PM EST up reply actions
Great job Foos
Like jason said we will probably have plays designed for TJ
also yiou also have to assume that with better recivers( I.E TJ.) there will be more open recivers
and with more experiance in jacksons second years and Curtis being back at the slot after learning our system they will be able to creat more openings.
with this being said i would say the addition of an X or Y reciver would alone put up 15% more numbers than last year juest because with more weapons its harder for a defence to defend
TJ should be a great addition
I agree that Tj may not be the quick fix at WR everyone is looking for. we have a very good recieveing core right now but TJ would add a big physical target in the red-zone where the eagles have struggled. D-Jackson will be a pro bowler i belive but we need a big threat on the out side not just built around speed. i think he would only enhance the WR position and wiht that the entire teams offence goes up running backs with one less man in the box, TE with more open space and a quarterback with a big target capable of making clutch receptions. I don’t see how this could hurt them unless he takes too much money. well just my opinion
TJ would add a big physical target in the red-zone
He’s only 6’1" 199 lbs that’s a wopping 1 inch and 10 lbs bigger then Curtis, not a huge upgrade.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
yeah but one inck grows expadentualy and pluss Cutis is White therefore (as we all know) he cant jump
by NickPampani on Feb 18, 2009 11:12 AM EST up reply actions
Not to be a dick but...
I think you mean exponentially, but i don’t think you quite know what it means. But ten pounds doesn’t make a huge difference, but a difference none the less. that’s why weight classes increase every ten pounds in most sports where weight matters. I think Housh is also stronger than kevin curtis and thats what he meant by a bigger, more physical receiver.
by #1EaglesFan on Feb 18, 2009 1:28 PM EST up reply actions
i might not be able to spell but by no means am i stupid. by adding one inch of hight that adds a potential 2 inchs of reach (hight +arm span) now add that to his overall circumference (360 degrees) now do to the fact that we do not live in a 2 dementional world now that has to work in all directions.
The equation to find volume of a sphere is 4/3 *pi*radious cubed
Curtis’s spheric volume = 195432 inchs
TJ’s spheric volume = 203688 inches
now add that additional 8000 + inches of catchable area to his additional straignth and jump.
That is exponentially
way to pull out the geometry equations, I like it. On a more serious note, everyone’s body type is different. I, for instance, have really short legs and a huge head that adds at least 2 inches to my height. Height is rarely proportional to wingspan, only roughly.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 18, 2009 2:56 PM EST up reply actions
did you see the equation he used to calculate that 4.2% increase? It had radius CUBED in it. By definition, that is an exponential increase.
Now if your going to argue about the validity of the calculation that’s a totally different animal.
Personally, I would have used 1/2* Pi*Radius sqaured, because McNabb isn’t throwing at a sphere, he is throwing at a circle.
by Clyde Simmons on Feb 18, 2009 4:34 PM EST up reply actions
thanks
actually if you look at some of #5s throws he could be a sphere. he throws at peples feet, 5ft over there heads and 5 ft withing any other direction
What a silly exercise
You’re neglecting added wind resistance, which will make him slower, which will mean he gets to the ball a split second later or beat corners by a little less.
You’re neglecting actual jump ratios — how high can Housh jump? Higher than Curtis? I don’t know, i’m just saying there’s no calculation you’re using to take advantage.
You’re neglecting adjustment speed. Is Housh a slower thinker than Curtis? Maybe, Curtis scored real high on his IQ tests.
Hell, if you want to get even more ridiculous, you’re neglecting the quantum push Housh’s size adds. More electrons cause a bigger electrical shove away from the ball, which could mean more drops!
And, after all, because he is bigger, he has more gravity at his center, which means balls will go more towards his center. This is bad in the redzone, where often times you will want to leap to catch a ball or dive to catch a ball in the dirt. It would be terrible if it was a ball that started off behind Housh and then his gravitational pull pulls the ball in towards his center, right where a CB is covering him. TD if he can reach behind him cause he knows the pass is coming, INT since his gravitational pull allows the defender to get his hand in the way of the ball where before it was out of reach.
lol ok
there is no point in wind resistance because it is speed that matters and the NFL’s caclulation of spped is th 40 wich just calculates results not variables or factors
adjustment speed I.E reaction time is learned and has little to no revalance to Intelligence Quotient. it has more to do with motor reflexes
and as for your electron and gravaty theory… the earths electrons and gravety is so much greater then a humans that its closer to having no effect on a football.
by NickPampani on Feb 19, 2009 12:07 AM EST up reply actions
Nick
I hate to do this, but I’m kind of a math nerd (possibly the only post graduate degree I’d be interested in would be math)…
The correct units for area would be square inches.
I always feel like people are more appropriately modeled by using rectangles so supposing Kurtis is 72 inches tall by call it 36 inches wide (adjusting for reach) Curtis presents a 2592 square inch target to Donovan whereas Housh at 73 inches tall by 37 inches wide presents 2701 square inches. 2592/2701 = 1.042, or not that much bigger a target….
even if you modelled the boys as circles – Curtis would be a circle with an area of 4071 square inches and housh 4185, which is less beneficial to your argument…
anyway…
somehow i managed to come up with your 4.2% figure with my rectangles (totally unintentionally)…
wierd
by cavortingEagle on Feb 18, 2009 4:46 PM EST up reply actions
2592/2701 = 1.042
1/(2592/2701) = 1.042
by cavortingEagle on Feb 18, 2009 4:47 PM EST up reply actions
Housemandzadeh – 6’1" 199 lbs.
Jason Avant – 6’0" 212 lbs.
if it’s a big physical redzone target you want, we have him… and one that has shown this year that he can catch the difficult pass and hold onto it. i just think we can have a much bigger impact utilizing this money in other areas.
However, this move wouldn’t surprise me in the least. The Eagles are in a prime position to spend alot this offseason. Between cap room and some triggers that will kick in with the possible nocap season next year. Igglesblog.com has a nice breakdown about the salary cap and spending analysis.
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
possible nocap season next year
Whats This????
by NickPampani on Feb 18, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
sorry… meant to say 2010. the labor agreement is all messed up… it’s a long explanation and it’s all over the place. if a new one isn’t reached, there will be an uncapped year. we like to stuff our contracts with “likely to be earned” incentives that are never likely to be earned. there’s a rule that lets us pass that money forward to the next year. right now we have around $30M in cap space but another like $8M or so in “likely to be earned” that will pass forward giving us almost $40M to spend. we can’t pull those shananegans this year, so it’s basically spend it or loose it this year
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
yeah that’s why Dan Klecko LTBE was 10 mil last year …. Banner is awesome at handling the cap and the new CBA will no doubt have a clause to put this to an end.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
i would be surprised if it wasn’t addressed somehow. and it’s not like we’re the only ones doing it. i did have a chart that dealt with the average “likely to be earned” incentives that aren’t earned by team per year, but i can’t seem to find it…. we are up there, but so are most of the top tier franchises. it’s smart to do, so the smart people do it…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
How do you feel about Hakeem Nicks?
Is he a guy that would be around in the second round? He is a big physical guy. He doesn’t really break long plays, or mays circus catches. But looks like a big physical possesion type receiver. I don’t think he is a true number one, but would be a good role player. I really wasn’t impressed with his YAC. But I did like his size and physical play.
What do you think?
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by yophillybro on Feb 18, 2009 11:36 AM EST up reply actions
ask me again after the combine. on paper he looks okay (for a size reference, see Avant)… so if he is only going to be an Avant clone, I say pass… but let me see what he looks like in a few days and i’ll get back to you
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
I like Nicks too...
Depending on where he falls too, I like Nicks…I do want to see him at the combine as well…
Hank Baskett
6’4" 220lbs…how many more cubic inches of catchable area is this?
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
plug it in
that is roughly 34,415 but here is where smarts come into play. TJ is alot smarter than Hank, he isnt marrying a playmate
I dont think anyone would be upset if we bring in TJ.
I don’t expect him to be a world beater, but he’s put up good enough numbers to justify a look.
I don’t think he is TO, I don’t even think he is that go to number one. But he is a very good receiver. He’s just as good, or arguably better than the ones we have. Again I enphasize “Arguably”, I know some may differ in opinion in that matter. If he is better, he is only marginally better. So there really isn’t a whole lot of an upgrade.
I don’t mind bringing him in, only if its not a bank breaker contract. He would be a nice addition that will not disrupt any other plans the front office may have in place.
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Hard to compare numbers...
The number of targets to the X Y and Z isn’t necessarily based on anything other than who was open…you don’t know how many times Donovan threw to the 1st read versus the 2nd read versus scrambling and making something happen…many of the throws to the RBs are a result of being the outlet receiver and no one being open…
TJs yards per catch are based more on the fact that Chad Johnson is the deep threat on the bengals…when did a possession receiver become a bad thing…some of the other receivers that are near the bottom of YPC include Wes Welker, Brandon Marshall, Anquan Boldin, Dwayne Bowe, Tori Holt, Hines Ward…not bad company…and in some of Marvin Harrison’s best years he had low YPC…
The Eagles have their deep threats in Desean and Curtis…they need someone that can stay in the middle of the field with good hands and get first downs (TJ was 2nd in the league in 1st down catches on 3rd down)…and as much as Curtis has done, he isn’t that guy…Over the past 2 seasons TJ has 3 catches or less only 4 times in 31 games (13)…In contrast Curtis had 3 catches or less 10 times in 25 games (40)…
TJ is no TO
TJ is a good quality player and is known as a better person around the leauge evan as he is most likely going to leave Cincy he has done it better than TO or any other drama queen WR. I see no problem bringing him in he could only help a team that is on the doorstep
TJ is no TO, but I don't want TO
Good discussion on the board. Thought I might as well sign-up and join in the dialogue given the fact I’m a hardcore Eagle fan who lives nine blocks from Paul Brown Stadium in Cincy. With that said, I’m ALWAYS watching Eagle games on Sundays thanks to DirectTV, but I still see plenty of Bengal games (ugh) and lots of highlights (or lowlights… currently).
All I can say is that the Bengals are horrible, but TJ is a lone exception. I don’t care who’s under center, who else is lined up wide with him, or who is in the backfield… this guy plays his butt off every single down. He plays with a fire in his belly that I think the Eagles need. He’s smart, runs good routes and is a character guy in the lockerroom. He makes tough catches look easy. All Eagle fans should appreciate this, given McNabb’s proclivity to throw balls low, high, or wide from time to time….
I agree that TJ might not be the greatest solution as a 31 year old WR. But we don’t need speed. We need a guy who is going to step up and make plays when it counts. We need a guy who is going to help us win a Super Bowl next year!!! Don’t get me wrong, I like Avant and what he does. But saying that TJ and Avant are comparable options just b/c they have the a similiar height and build is ridiculous. You can’t measure some things. TJ has all kinds of intangibles that I think would make us a better team.
And if that’s not enough, a buddy of mine (who is a diehard Cowboy fan) is pissing his pants worried that the Eagles will land TJ. He couldn’t believe the Bungles franchised their kicker. If the money is right, I say the Eagles pull the trigger. then draft a big RB and OT in the first round.
The thing is...
It couldn’t hurt to add TJ. McNabb is great at spreading the ball around to multiple receivers and giving him another target to throw to is a plus to me. A combination of Avant and TJ who can both be used to make those tough catches across the middle should go a long way. I wouldn’t be heart broken if we didn’t sign him, but at the same time I wouldn’t complain if we did.
what about boldin
im curious to see these stats if we would plug anquan boldin into this formula. hes younger, hes stats seem better and he fits the number one wr role. now i know theres alot of talk of him being a great fit in ny with the giants (please no) but if i had my pick between tj and boldin id think hard about boldin.
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if i had my pick between tj and boldin id think hard about boldin
it’s not like the choice is between Boldin and Housh … if that were the case no one in their right mind would pick Housh over Boldin. Its the fact that Housh is attainable while Boldin is not (no I don’t buy into the rumors and I don’t consider 4 picks including a first and third attainable)
So the choice is between signing Housh to a reasonable contract or trading 4 picks (my guess is 1st, 3rd, 6th,7th) for Boldin then signing him to a monster deal. That is what the debate is.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
A good analysis
Housh seems to be more of what we already have, although maybe a little better than some. He lacks the big play potential of Jackson, and otherwise I don’t see him as a #1 anywhere. We already are a team full of #2 guys.
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog." - Bear Bryant
Get TJ
We are talking about a top 10-12 WR people! Look at his numbers. He is probably the most underrated player in the NFL. He is a great fit, not matter how you look at it. He is a class act and could be the safety valve McNabb needs…if we don’t find a top TE. I love Avant, because he is from Michigan, and because he can make all the catches. But Avant is a poor man’s TJ, lets be honest. Bring in TJ, we have the coin to do it.
+1 He is a great fit, not matter how you look at it. I agree no matter what anyone else says period !
not to mention hes on a shitty team, go ahead and bring up the tie i dont care the bengals suck did carson palmer even play much this year ? if he was on a better team with a better QB like MCNABB his stats would more than likely go up..
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Safety Valve, indeed
Last year we had “Downtown” Reggie Brown and Kevin Curtis go down at times due to injuries and they were our #1 and #2 receivers coming out of the 2007-08 season. With TJ, DJax, Curtis, Avant, Baskett, and GLew, we’re in pretty good shape even if TWO guys go down from injuries.
I mean, DJax was great as a rookie but at one point we didn’t have the type of WR combo that opposing defenses have to really plan around.
by cybourgeoisie on Feb 18, 2009 8:07 PM EST up reply actions
let’s not say we’re in good shape with greg lewis on our team. The man is garbage. He absolutely needs to get cut.
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by The Badassador on Feb 18, 2009 10:24 PM EST up reply actions
personally I had my doubts … I was hypin Malcolm Kelly … I’m glad I was wrong … like really really glad.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
with boldin and tj both free agents philly would be crazy not to get one of the two jacksons awesome but still young and learning and to add a big time wide out would be huge for the offense i mean no team really has to double cover any wideouts in philly with a wr. of there calibers it would open up so many holes
by fly eagles fly on Feb 19, 2009 12:13 AM EST reply actions
with boldin and tj both free agents
Boldin’s not a FA, although he is on the trade block. Just figured i should mention that considering the Cards are asking for about a couple of picks and if we got him, he would want a much bigger contract than he currently has, so it changes the comparison between the two receivers
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by The Badassador on Feb 19, 2009 12:32 AM EST up reply actions
makes more sense to go T.J Houshmandzadeh, the eagles draft picks would be safe , sounds like the eagles are going to need them, the whole RUNYAN/ TRA THOMAS, OT- thing kind of freaks me out . I mean they have played so well thru the years . WESTBROOK needs help to ?.. and whats really up with SHAWN ANDREWS ? is he going to do what he did this year next year that would suck ,i dont think the back problems are the main issue, i hope he will be back and wants to play..
"My first and foremost goal is to win a Super Bowl. I also set goals in terms of having a type of year to make the Pro Bowl. If I'm going to the Pro Bowl, I know I'm making plays for the team." Brian Dawkins
To be fair here… The Cardinals have never publically stated that Boldin is on the market and have made no such references to his value. Boldin’s agent is actually who has come out with what he feels Boldin is worth…
"I tried to run him over but Eli had his big boy pads on and he kind of stopped me from getting in the end zone. The next time I’ll try to jump over his head.’’ - Asante Samuel
yeah
the Cards have denied that Boldin is on the trading block and even said they were trying to sign him to an extension. His agent is running his mouth when in reality that agent has no say in trades.
"I need to do a better job of putting players in the right position to perennially come up short of expectations"
Well Boldin has also been quoted as saying to his agent to not acknowledge any offers from the Cards and that he feels the front office betrayed him. So he doesn’t really wanna stick around…I don’t know if the Cards want that kind of disturbance in the locker room.
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by The Badassador on Feb 19, 2009 11:04 AM EST up reply actions
If for nothing else signing, or attempting to sing TJ shuts up the fan base about bringing in an established WR. I love how he would fit in our scheme but even more so how all he costs is money which the team has a ton to spend. Let’s face it the problems that really need to be addressed on this team are on the O-line and if the Eagles can pick up a nice FA like housh that leaves 10 picks (or more after comps are announced) to deal with OL, RB, and possibly TE. Two first round picks sounds nice but try saying it this way, we signed TJ and STILL have two first round draft picks. The reason this guy has become so sexy to the fan base is for the simple fact that he is a FA and we dont have to give anything up to get him.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Feb 19, 2009 4:53 AM EST reply actions
From a Bengals perspective
Houshmandzadeh isn’t what you’d call great, which of course depends on how one would define great.
Does he put together gaudy numbers with deep receptions. No.
Will he gain 100 yards every game? No.
Will he catch eight passes or more every game? Well, he’s done it 13 times in the past two seasons — which includes three 12-reception games and four 10-reception games.
Is he the receiver that pulls third down receptions just as easily as it is for you and I to breath, yes.
Does he sustain drives? Yes.
Does he “get it” being a slot receiver, finding gaps in zone defenses? Easily, yes.
Is he a good route runner? Yes, actually he’s one of the best in the league.
Does he make difficult catches in the red-zone? Yes. But you can be assured that he will convert at least 5 third downs in any given game — sometimes more.
Is he an outlet receiver? Yes. He finds ways to get open.
However, many of us don’t think he should get #1 WR money — hence why he’s leaving. But Houshmandzadeh is the prototype #2 receiver, best used in the slot and he will compliment DeSean Jackson very nicely.
I’ve followed Houshmandzadeh for eight years now. So there’s a point to be made that I’m more of a homer than not about him — his rise from seventh round pick, to terrible three-year start of a career, to what he is now is incredible. So when reading through this, just know there is a bit of homerism in it.
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by Josh Kirkendall on Feb 19, 2009 11:41 AM EST reply actions
Sounds like Jason Avant
Doesn’t get deep often enough to be a #1 threat, but knows how to work underneath, run good routes and catch the ball. There are lots of guys like this in the NFL, none of them deserve to be paid like elite talents.
For the Eagles it’s an especially bad fit because:
1. They already have a guy like this working on the cheap (Avant)
2. They already have a free agent WR making a lot of money (Curtis)
3. They have serious needs on the OL, RB, and S positions that must be addressed.
“It won’t hurt to bring in another weapon” is a silly thing to say – he’ll take up a roster spot, cap space, and salary – all of which need to be managed. Investing FA money on a player that will not provide a significant upgrade is a waste of resources that could be spent elsewhere to improve the team.
true
but adding t.j wont hurt he’s a good target and if the eagles dont make a move for him someone will possably the giants who need a #1 with plax gone… the ol and rb slots can be filled in the draft with the eagles haveing two first round picks.
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