Andy Reid Extended to 2013
by birds'n'raiders on Dec 9, 2009 10:28 AM EST
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Via Profootballtalk:
The Philadelphia Eagles have announced that long-time coach Andy Reid has signed a three-year contract extension.
Reid is now committed to the team through 2013.
He arrived as head coach way back in 1999. The choice was a bit of a surprise at the time, given that he had never served as an offensive coordinator.
Reid's 11-year run with the Eagles ranks second in the NFL behind Jeff Fisher of the Titans, who has been coach of the franchise since 1994, when it was in Houston and named the Oilers.
Reid also is the longest-serving coach in franchise history. In second place is Earle "Greasy" Neale, who coached the team from 1941 through 1950.
Reid and Eagles chairman Jeffrey Lurie will meet with the media at 11:30 a.m. ET Wednesday.
Reports of negotiations regarding an extension first surfaced earlier this season, possibly in an effort to avoid a media and/or fan outcry for Reid to be fired if the team were to again lapse into a November swoon. Consecutive losses to the Cowboys and Chargers dropped the Eagles to 5-4 as of November 15, but three straight victories have propelled them to 8-4.
The Eagles currently are tied with the Cowboys for first place in the NFC East. The Giants, who host the Eagles on Sunday night, are in third place with a 7-5 record.
4 more years! 4 more years!
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I’m actually surprised that the deal wasn’t longer. 2013 isn’t that far off….I wonder if if the brass is only gonna give him four more seasons to win a Super Bowl. Still, kudos to the front office for taking care of business and getting it out of the way.
Tony Romo...why so serious?
No, I think there gonna see what he can do w/o McNabb, Westy and some other key players.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Last three games....
Balanced offense, no blown time outs or challenges, two 4th quarter comeback victories and most important all wins. Are we really seeing a change in Andy Reid or am I just fantasizing? Keep this up Reid and we will finally have a Superbowl this year, if not the next.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
NO NO NO! NO MORE ANDY REID
You are just fantasizing, I’m afraid, Route 36…the way I used to. YES Reid’s the winning-est coach in Eagles history. We all know that. But he cannot get us a ring. He has proven that beyond a shadow of a doubt. He (and Lurie) make key, self-defeating decisions at just the wrong moments. I respect Reid’s loyalty to the team and to certain players but at some point everyone involved has to be self-aware enough to know: it’s not going to happen. The Vikings’ Bud Grant knew it. The Bills’ Marv Levy knew it. And these guys went to multiple SUPER BOWLS. Not conference championship games — they went to 3, 4 SUPERBOWLS, each!! But they — and their organizations — knew when it was time to step down and let a new era begin. We are desperate for a new era in Philadelphia. There are great coaches out there who would LEAP at the chance to coach this Philadelphia Eagles team.
Reid, Vick and (it hurts to say it) McNabb — GO. Get out. Let us rebuild. We need reason to Hope again.
Simple question, Carmichael:
Would you be willing to trade stability at head coach, QB, all of our consistent appearances in the playoffs this decade, the winning record, and all of the NFCC games for one Superbowl victory?
In other words, would you be okay with having a different HC and QB every 2 years and having a 6-10 or 7-9 record every year for 10 years in exchange for one year when we went 11-5 and won it all?
Veritas Liberabit Te
Let’s take this question apart a little.
Would I trade all the consistent goodness of the Reid era (the 2000-2009 Eagles) for 1 Superbowl win and a quick trip back to mediocrity? (Best example I can think of — the 2002-2009 Buccaneers, which oversimplifies things a bit.)
Absolutely. 100 times yes. This team has NEVER won the superbowl. I’d gladly suffer a string of horrible years to finally see them get that ring — to finally have never hear that “no ring” shit from Cowboys fans — and I think most fans would.
Unfortunately, in the real world, we don’t get to make a deal with the devil. You can go “all in” and pick up Jevon Kearse and TO and take your best shot and still fall short. Without certainty of things working out even in the best years w/o a little luck the consistency offered by Andy Reid is probably the best approach.
On the other hand, that doesn’t mean I’m not terribly frustrated with Reid. I’ll buy the argument that this is now a different generation than the 2001-2004 Eagles, but Reid’s teams are 1-4 in the NFC Championship and 0-1 in the Superbowl. At some point, after falling just short so many teams, doesn’t he have to be on the hot seat for not winning it all?
The whole Superbowl argument is stupid. When I hear that from ignorant Cowboy fans I say we have 3 CHAMPIONSHIP.. same thing as a damn Superbowl.
Even if we won one Superbowl, they will always have the argument that they have 4 more than us. I could careless about that stupid argument. As long as we beat them when we play them – thats all I care about at this point.
I want a Superbowl as much as the next guy, but I like that we consistantly win and hopefully we can get a Superbowl and still win every year. I do not want to be the Rams, or Oakland or Tampa Bay for that matter.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
I want a Superbowl as much as the next guy, but I like that we consistantly win and hopefully we can get a Superbowl and still win every year.
I couldn’t agree more. Because of Reid, the staff he put together, and the players the organization signs and drafts, every year the Eagles go into the season as an organization that is expected to make the playoffs, barring any critical injuries or diva implosions. As an uber-fan, this gets me excited. Not many teams can say this.
Smack it up, flip it, rub it down... OH NOOOooo!
I get that. I just think at some point it’s got to be “Well, Andy got us really close a lot of times and never got over the hump, let’s see what the next guy can do.”
When, in your mind, is that point if it exists?
The Bucs are an interesting case study. Dungy there was kind of in the position Reid is here. Consistent high level of performance, never got over the hump. Bring in Gruden, win a Superbowl, but then sink back to mediocrity. (And where you and I respectfully — I hope — disagree is that I would gladly take that to win the first one).
The other case study is the Steelers, where Cowher was in the same boat Reid is but then finally did the Steelers “over the hump”.
She's Baaaacccckk.
I heard a little rumor that you got banned for a short time for posting too much. Haha. Welp, glad to see your back in action.
BTW… great point about the Cowboys Super Bowl argument. I can’t stand hearing Cowboys fans talk about their SB rings that they got back before they were playing with Pogs and wearing slap bracelets and fanny packs. It’s ridiculous and getting old. WHO CARES what happened 15 years ago. I care about right now… and right now we have damn good chance at winning a Super Bowl (with Andy Reid as our head coach).
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
a little rumor huh?
or straight from my facebook!? lol
Yeah as much as I still love New Kids on the Block and Slap Bracelets… the Cowboys championships are old news just like ours. So… we just need to win in January… or at least go farther than them in the playoffs!
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
Do I have to bring out the comparison between Reid’s first 10 years and Cowher’s first 10 years again?
never ever
try to combat irrationality with logic and statistics . . . it makes it worse.
Yeah, you did have to bring it out
and it was good and I misunderstood the point of it. thx
by LordCarmichael on Dec 9, 2009 4:03 PM EST up reply actions
Excellent question, DSmith215!!
I think that is, in fact, THE question. And my answer is YES. I would trade all of those almosts for a Superbowl ring. It is the difference between making it to the top of the mountain and making it almost to the top. Reid has amassed an impressive, very respectable record. But there is nothing that compares to the feeling of a championship, and that feeling can sustain you for many, many years. Almost making it, time and time again, has the opposite effect: it slowly erodes the spirit.
Really?
I would bet BIG money that if you are not content with a decade of fantastic teams and being in the NFC championship 5 out of 10 years, you would REALLY complain about those 7-9 teams.
For me: I know that everytime the Eagles get close, Reid and McNabb want it a little more, they learn, they lead . . . and eventually we will get there. The Cowher argument is very valid here. I wouldn’t trade the last ten years of Eagles football for anything. The only wish I have is that somehow, we get Dawkins back in a Trotter-esque move for a Super Bowl run. THAT would make a great christmas gift.
Okay, back to reality.
Thrilled with the Reid extension.
Isn't this...
What the Redskins do?
Basically, you’re asking us to be the Redskins. Trade a decade of excellent football for a decade of instability at head coach in a single-minded pursuit of hitting the jackpot with no plan in place. Sounds like Danny Snyder to me.
Let the beasting begin.
by TransplantedFan on Dec 9, 2009 1:17 PM EST up reply actions
Really.
I never said I was rational, Zoso. What sports fan is? Loving a team is about love, not logic. And I bet a great many other fans out there would trade 10 very good seasons for one that yields a championship. All we have ever known as Eagles fans is ALMOST (unless you are old enough to remember the 1960 Championship, like my dad, who was there at Franklin field). Just look around you at how much better-adjusted Giants, Cowboys and Redskins fans are. It’s because they have all won the big one. Multiple times. They have something that we don’t and it gives them confidence and self-possession. In those conversations, we are the butt of the joke. I agree with you about Dawkins, though. I miss him. Actually, the final straw with me and the Reid Era (since we’re talking about it) came when we ditched Dawkins and picked up Vick. Michael Effing Vick. A soulless sociopath (sorry for the redundancy). That’s when I knew it was over. Mark my word: We will never win the big one with Michael Vick on our team. There is such a thing as karma in the world, I believe, and he is on the wrong side of it. So now — thanks to Lurie and Reid — so are we.
A few things…
1. Vick will not be on this team next year so you can stop worrying about that. I think the entire Vick plan was to show he isn’t a distraction, show he can still play, and then see what we can get for him. Brilliant in my opinion.
2. I have never met a Giants, Cowboys, or Redskins fan who I felt was “better-adjusted” than me. If you have, that’s a you problem… not an Eagles’ problem.
3. I want to win a Superbowl because I love the Eagles. Always have always win. Not so I have a comeback when an idiot Skins fan (whose entire organization is a joke), Dallas fan (who hasn’t won a playoff game in a decade), or Giants fan (who we have won 3 straight against) asks me how many rings we have… although I admit, it would be nice not to hear that question ever again.
I like what you're saying, jvoelks!!
1) From your lips to God’s ears. And if you’re right that we are going to cash in on Vick, and that was the plan from the beginning, I agree: that’s a brilliant move. Makes my brain feel small.
2) HILARIOUS. Listen…“better-adjusted” is a figure of speech. They are mostly morons. But they have those rings. Championships give a fan something, jvoelks. A kind of power. SOMETHING.
3) I also want to win because and only because I love the Eagles. Others teams’ fans and their trash talk means nothing to me. But when you say “it would be nice not to hear that question again” it’s clear — to me, anyway — that you know exactly what I am talking about.
by LordCarmichael on Dec 9, 2009 2:44 PM EST up reply actions
Haha! Oh Well..
Do I have faith in Reid as a fan of the Birds…Heck No! Do I want to be happy Yes. Am I happy Nope. But we don’t have another choice right now. Whats done is done.! Whatever man. !
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Let's go Reid...time to get over that hump now! Please prove me wrong!!!
Show me ur a better Game Day coach. Show me u can make halftime adjustments. Show me u can manage the clock better (including timeouts). Show me u realize that running the ball MORE will only help us as it OPENS UP the passing attack even more..Allowing for even more huge plays down field! These among other things!!! Please Reid Prove me wrong!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
This is the outlook all Reid haters should have.
What’s done is done. Andy Reid is the coach of the Eagles for four more years. You might not like it, you might not think he can overcome his problems (clock management, pass-happy, bad game day coach, etc. etc.), but as an Eagles fan you should hope that he can prove you wrong.
Personally, I think Andy gives us the best chance to win the SB, and that’s all I can ask for. You have to have a chance, before you can win it. Then once you’re close, like we have been for 10 years, then you have to have the chips fall into place. I’m happy Andy is here and I’m hoping those chips fall into place soon.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Hey man...Idk if u read my FIRST comment..but I already said that.......
“Whats done is done”! This is only my opinion, Reid gives us the best chance to win RIGHT NOW. Cuz he created this current system. There’s no other coach that can come in RIGHT NOW. Im not a hater im just don’t have faith in Reid. Again, I would like to be all happy and faithful when it comes to Reid and this signing, but I don’t feel confident in Reid cuz we’ve had the same issues season after season! Im glad ur happy as it’s YOUR prerogative! It is what it is like I said above. Reid might give us the best chance to win a SB..but I need him to show me improvement! Im not saying Reid has to be Perfect, but after 10 years fix these clock management, bad game day coaching blah blah ect………problems! These are some of the issues that are hindering the chips falling into place.!! I want Reid to succeed cuz he’s the coach of my fav team! I just want him to move forward, get past these same age old problems. Simple as that. I want to be proven wrong.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I think you misinterpreted my comments. I was more speaking to all the Reid haters out there… not really responding to your post. More just reiterating it and adding to it.
I completely agree with you.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Ohhhhh..hey my bad man
Im also not sayin that I disagree with u. I just need to see Reid move forward and not stay at this “we’re ok” stage! He’s got 3 years left! He can stay “Ok” if he wants to but….well u kno! Most of Eagles nation wont take to kindly to that haha
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
He wins us a Superbowl in the next three years he gets a 5 year extension in 2012. Thats if the apocalypse doesn’t occur first
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
Well good then..Cuz he would've proven me wrong..
If Reid DOES win us a Superbowl in the next 3 years then Awesome! If we won a super by then, then by all means resign him again…! I got no prob with that. Cuz he helped win us that Superbowl
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Vick a "Soulless Sociopath..."
Vick is a sociopath. Karma. Dawkins was “ditched.”
Carmichael, I owe you a great deal of thanks.
You just gave me the topic for my next fanpost.
Veritas Liberabit Te
Dawkins is NOT what we need
Imagine how bad he would be getting burned in coverage?
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
You are right, Smitty2K3
You are right that you have to first have the chance to get to the SB before you can get to the SB. And you are right that, as an Eagle’s fan, I should just hope that Reid proves my instincts on this subject wrong. You are correct, and I am trying to get myself into your mindset. But I can’t change how I feel and I feel, among other things, that a Superbowl victory with Vick on the team would be tainted. As I said, Vick was the last straw in my eyes. In signing Vick, Reid and Lurie proved to me that they are NOT the guys for the job. I cannot disassociate that particular choice with the overall arc of the Reid era. In fact, the choice EPITOMIZES the Reid/Lurie era.
translation
in signing a third string QB that will get minimal playing time but potentially make big plays and net us a high draft pick, you decided that Reid and Lurie have built a team of criminals and sociopaths?
The Future
Vick sucks. We all know this and hopefully no one kids themselves in the other direction. We’ll get nothing for Vick – as we signed him to a one year deal, and next year he will sign another 1 year deal and attempt to destroy the soul of another team. For a cool $1.5 million, we got about 7 yards from the line of scrimmage – and a couple TD’s against a drowning Falcons team (it was heartwarming that we gave the man that day of vindication against his former team…he really deserved it, in my opinion…).
Maybe the Vick deal would fly circa the high times of 2006 – but in a recession, it’s a lousy investment – for the ‘on paper’ results he gave us (or rather ’didn’t give us’) and any validation one gives to karma (I give a lot after two season ending MCL’s, the concussion of our starting QB, a loss to the Raiders…the RAIDERS).
But alas, our fate has been sealed for us. Reid for 4 more years, and the hope that continuing to call the same plays, throw the same red flag, follow the same strategy, mismanage the clock in the same way, will miraculously yield different results. It’s possible, but unlikely.
With Vick off the team (hope, hope), I can settle in for 4 more years of just enough excitement, that it stings that much worse when they ultimately let me down.
In the often repeated words of our great leader, Andy Reid, “We can do better, we will do better, it’s my responsibility.” (One of these days, he’ll tell us WHEN he’ll do these things)
incorrect translation, Ealgeyosh
I am not saying, and have not said, that the Eagles are “a team of criminals and sociopaths.” They have one sociopath that I know of, Vick, and I want him off the team because nothing good can come from his time on our team, with the possible exception of how good some of us will feel when we hear that he is leaving, and the Eagles Vick jerseys at Modell’s (you can’t get them at Dick’s because Dick’s took the high road) go from half price to 95% off.
Kudos to TheVet!!
You know you can just click “reply” below people’s comments, right? Keeps things a little more organized.
But anyways, I can’t argue with your point on Vick or try to talk you into feeling a different way. I get it, you don’t like Vick. I get it, you don’t like that Andy and the FO brought him in here. But that shouldn’t be your reasoning behind not liking Andy as a head coach. All he does is win games (granted not the most important ones). He gives us the best chance to win… and that’s all it comes down to. Bringing in a Bill Cowher, or a Jon Gruden, or a Tony Duny, or a Mike Shannahan isn’t going to guarantee us a Super Bowl ring. That’s not how it works.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
I agree.
That is not how it works. So my question to you is: When is the right time for regime change??
And I am figuring out the “reply” thing.
by LordCarmichael on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
When is the right time! Good question!
But u should ask Lurie or more importantly Mr. Joe Banner that question. Afterall, what did Banner say,
“they say if you keep saying if you do the same thing over and over you’re kind of kidding yourself.”Sure Banner…I believe U!
ha Silly Banner, Tricks are for Kids!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Haha, that is a good point. When is the right time for regime change?
I don’t know the answer to that… I don’t know if anybody does, really.
But my personal opinion is the best time for regime change is when the CHANCE to win a title disappears. And right now, that chance is there… and never really went away. Now my addendum to that is that if we go get double digit wins these next 3 years but still don’t win a championship, then it’s time to move on. Fifteen years of winning and having that chance should be more than enough time to win a title. And if it doesn’t come by then, I’ll be hopping on the ship with the rest of you saying it’s time to move on.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
I have to give you that
the CHANCE of winning it all exists for us, right here, right now. In a way that it does not exist for the Lions or the Browns or the Bucs or most of the other teams in the league. You are 100% right.
I think what has people jittery is that we have been down this road many, many times. Our nerves are frayed. We know that insanity IS doing the same thing over and over again the same way and expecting a different result. And that haunts us. Maybe it will turn out that Reid just needed the right number of years to get a ring. Maybe picking up Vick will someday make sense not just to some of us but to all of us. But sometimes — for some players, for some coaches — it’s just not meant to be.
by LordCarmichael on Dec 9, 2009 3:57 PM EST up reply actions
Even more Tricks for kids....
We all know his definition of insanity
is doing the same thing over and over, and expecting a different result.
umm well hmm……
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I think the right time for a regime change is similar to the right time for a player change. Whenever the person’s production declines to a certain point, you give them the axe. Look no further than Jon Runyan to see the application of that rule.
With that said, Andy Reid’s production so far this season is right on par with the rest of them, if not above average. You don’t undergo a regime change if the coach is still delivering wins and playoff berths. We would be foolish and spoiled to get rid of a coach who has gotten us to the playoffs 7 out of his 10 previous seasons, and most likely this season as well (knock on wood).
I also don’t understand the argument that basically goes like this, “He hasn’t won us a Superbowl yet, so he never will”. That argument is completely based on past seasons, which as you know have little to no bearing on future seasons. Not to mention it’s completely illogical. If Maclin drops 5 catches in a row, do I conclude that he will never catch a pass again? No, because all it takes is one catch to completely blow up that conclusion.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Dec 9, 2009 4:52 PM EST up reply actions
Look no further than Jon Runyan to see the application of that rule.
Looking back, I realize that probably isn’t the most fair comparison. Jon Runyan was basically cut because of his age, not so much because of a huge drop in production. A much better comparison would be LJ Smith.
"THIS IS NOT COLLEGE NO MORE. THIS IS THE BIG MAN SPORT." ~Crazy Lady on BGN forums
by southjersey89 on Dec 9, 2009 4:55 PM EST up reply actions
A year ago...
seems like a lifetime. Last year at this time, we were all calling for Reid’s head. Then, the playoff run to the championship. Now three more years? Is anyone feeling schizo?
Really guys
Vick doesnt taint anything we do as a team. If Vick helps us win the Big Trophy then good!! Vick doesn’t even play that much for him to be considered “a Tainted Player” or “Tainting our Team”! He did the time! He’s been nuttn but a good sport about his role here! Hes has a great attitude and is doing the right things! If u can’t get past that than it’s ur own problem. Stop worrying about “Vick Tainting our Superbowl victory” (IF we do get that far and win this year. Notice the big IF haha) and worry about our Team playing more consistent football and getting rid of these ridiculous undisciplined Penalties!! Vick’s like 3% or maybe 5% of what we do on offense right now. Not significant enough to Taint anything if there was anything. Lets move forward past this please.
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
AGREED
trying desperately to do just that
by LordCarmichael on Dec 9, 2009 2:51 PM EST up reply actions
Exactly
I couldn’t care less who is on the team when/IF we win a SB. No one single player can “taint” a Super Bowl Championship.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Oh hell
I’m going to do it.
Bill Cowher, 1992-2002 (11 seasons):
Regular Season Record: 109-66-1
Playoff Record (8 appearances): 7-8
AFC Championship Game appearances: 4 (1-3 record)
Super Bowl Appearances: 1, a loss in Super Bowl XXX
Andy Reid, 1999-2009 (10 full seasons+12 games of this season)
Regular Season Record: 105-66-1
Playoff Record (7 appearances): 10-7
NFC Championship Game appearances: 5 (1-4 record)
Super Bowl Appearances: 1, a loss in Super Bowl XXXIX
Their numbers are practically identical. Similar regular season record. Equal in playoff appearances (Cowher’s 8th came in his 11th season; Reid looks to be heading for #8 in his 11th season). Similar record in conference title games. We weren’t embarrassed in the Super Bowl quite as badly as the Steelers were.
Looking at the “curve”, i.e. seasons 8-11…
Cowher (1999-2002): 38-25-1 record. 2 playoff appearances (2001, 2002). 1 loss in the division round (2002). 1 loss in the AFC Championship game (home loss to New England, 2001)
Reid (2006-2009 [partial]): 35-24-1 record. 2 playoff appearances (2006, 2008) and maybe heading for a third. 1 loss in the division round (2006). 1 loss in the NFC championship game (road loss to Arizona, 2008).
I guess I don’t get the difference. And I remember a time in the late 90s and early 2000s when there were Steeler fans trying to run Cowher out of town.
Thank You!!!
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Like I said ...It is what it is!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Well-researched. You just left out one KEY thing:
Cowher’s Pittsburgh Steelers won Super Bowl XL. And that’s what this whole conversation is about. Right?
by LordCarmichael on Dec 9, 2009 3:00 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah but...
that’s exactly his point. I believe he’s saying that he thinks Andy WILL win a Super Bowl with us. His point is everybody was calling for Cowher’s head in the same fashion as people have been doing with Andy, but then Cowher’s goes and proves his critics wrong and wins a SB.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Oooooooooooh
Misunderstood that. Sorry.
by LordCarmichael on Dec 9, 2009 3:05 PM EST up reply actions
LOL hey Smitty...
A lot of misreading/misunderstanding today huh! hahaha. Im guilty of that too today LordCarmichael! HA
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
That is what I was saying
I’ve got faith in Andy. He’s a damn good coach, and I really do think that we will win the Super Bowl in the near term.
Cowher’s Super Bowl came in 2005 — his 14th season with the team. Reid’s in Season 11, and as shown, has pretty identical numbers.
good effort
putting that together for us.
They do look exactly identical and quite possibly could be depending on the outcome of our remaining 4 games.
as they say – “You don’t know what you got, till its gone”
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
Exactly..If Reid goes how good will we be!!
Who knows..Maybe we are horrible (as a team)! Maybe we become a poor organization. Maybe, we win a Superbowl without him. Maybe we win 2 Superbowls without him.!! No one has any idea! I can’t wait to see what happens though. Meaning if Reid stays or goes in the future
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
One Thing Though...
Someone pointed this out which an interesting Thought
Now I keep hearing the ‘It took Bill Cowher 14 years to win a SuperBowl’ argument. The difference is that Cowher had QB’s like Kordell Stewart, Neil O’Donnell and Charlie Batch for his first 12 seasons, and still was successful. He only had a Franchise QB, Roethlisberger, in his last 2 years.
Reid has had McNabb for 11 years now, and if they fall again this year in the playoffs, at what point do you say that he can’t get us to the next level?
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At this time, I’m much more willing to swap McNabb with Kolb than I am to swap Reid with some new coach. I’m not really a McNabb hater, it’s just that we should be talking about QB changes before we even mention coaching changes.
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Apples and Oranges
Comparing the records of Bill Cowher and Andy Reid is interesting, but is ultimately akin to saying that if you roll the dice enough times, you’ll ultimately get the combination you’re looking for – so you should just keep rolling them, again and again, hoping for the big one, but settling for good seasons.
In that model, the house always wins.
You’ll find few teams have kept a coach around for 10 seasons without demonstrating they can win the Super Bowl. And yes, it would be a big leap into the unknown to release the man who has proven he can be consistently good. It’s nice not to be a bad team, and it’s fun, after dishing out $70 for the ticket, and $10 a beer, to go into the game with a good chance of winning.
The dark side in me thinks Lurie is a savvy businessman, he knows what he has in Reid and Donovan, and the rest of our aging crew – he knows they’ll win a certain number of games, and generally keep the stadium sold out. It pays in the NFL to be “good”, it doesn’t necessarily pay go for the gold with wild abandon.
Reid is unique in that, while he hasn’t won, he also hasn’t started sucking – a la Gruden, or the many others who fell down a slippery slope. But, his talent for consistency needs to be weighed against his lack of the magical season – which joy doesn’t end with time winding down in the 4th quarter of the NFC playoff, but rather keeps you warm through winter, and keeps you cool through summer.
In the end, it’s hard to be really mad that Reid is back on board for another 3 years – it’s also hard to get really excited. I just think about the move in monotone, as Andy Reid talks about losses in monotone, as Vick talks about his slaughter of dogs in monotone (tinged with intrigue).
So, as has been said, the question is: When do we tire of being really good, and try to be the best? This move suggests Lurie is still not quite ready…
Vick does taint the team – but that depends on your love of dogs. I really love them, and I loathe with particular ferocity those that, undercover of darkness, torture them. It is indicative of a very deep, dark character flaw (most psychopaths start out killing animals). Anyone with even a decent sense of body language will tell you he is unremorseful, but for the fact that he was caught.
BUT, all issues of morality aside, he also sucks at football – we would have been better off burning the $1.5 million on the sidelines to warm Donovan’s hands during a long December 4th quarter drive (which ultimately ends when we fail to convert on 1st and goal at the 1). Jeff Garcia is 10 times the player Vick is, and would probably have played for the Birds for free.
The dark side in me thinks Lurie is a savvy businessman, he knows what he has in Reid and Donovan, and the rest of our aging crew – he knows they’ll win a certain number of games, and generally keep the stadium sold out. It pays in the NFL to be "good", it doesn’t necessarily pay go for the gold with wild abandon.
I don’t really know about this. Eagles fans are passionate people. I think Lurie, as a savvy businessman, knows that the field will be sold out whether the fans are cheering a 15-1 team or booing a 1-15 team. I also think he would realize that he stands to gain a lot by winning the super bowl.
Not Sure
The stadium would not sell out for a 1 – 15 Eagles. Nor would advertisers be eager to string their signs by the luxury boxes, nor would we likely get the opportunity for a Sunday / Monday night game, nor would the networks be particularly interested in showing the game. Your investment in a franchise does not improve by being lousy, but rather really good.
What he would really gain from winning a Super Bowl, in addition to the accomplishments already on the belt, is probably not as much as you might think. It’s still a really good season, and you still have a large swath of viewers.
But, for ME, it would make a huge difference – it would resolve all the frustration we carry with us each season. In that sense, winning a Super Bowl is like being baptized – you let out a satisfying sigh, and start over.
But, yes, Eagles fans like to boo a sucky team. That is for sure.
Can't...
you all see from the picture that he’s a hands-on coach! I’m sure D-Jack appreciated the little pick-me-up.
Andy Reid is a great coach and deserves the extension for this season
and besides he has the most awsome name
grammer geeks you make me sick
Solid lockup.
Now we just need to give McDizzle three more years with the newly acquired offensive weapons and we’ll be dancing come mid-February. One of these years, at least.
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