reid's denied challenge ('no recovery' ???)

If the official explanation was that the whistle happened before the Eagle landed on the ball, I’m amazed.

It didn’t roll around. It was like less than a second after it popped out.

I’m guessing by the time the game ended, the curiousity about this play had diminished and no reporter asked about it… At the time, the game was most definetly still undecided.

I think this happened prior to halftime.

And I thought it was a lot more clear that it was a catch and then a fumble than the saints/redskins play… which was more about “did his arm hit the ground before he dropped the ball”

If there’s a pile, they’re not going to reverse the call. To this point, the only way they’ve used the rule is if the defender is the only person around and picks up the ball.

they called it incomplete right? im not sure the hoculi rule applies to that

I was thinking the same thing when I saw it. If I remember correctly, didn’t something like this happen the first time the Cowboys and Giants met this year. The ball deflected off of Witten’s foot and was intercepted and returned for a TD. I’m pretty sure the play was blown dead, but it was challenged and overturned, although the touchdown didn’t stand. Seems like the same situation

It seems like the head coach (in this case Andy Reid) usually consults with a coach upstairs who has access to a television before throwing the challenge flag.

I say this because when there is a play where I’m wondering “Will there be a challenge?” I’ve noticed that the flag more often than not gets thrown AFTER the broadcast network shows a pretty good slow motion replay. In fact, many times I’m screaming at my television “Show the replay !” (so we can decide if we want to challenge)

In this case, I’m certain that FOX kept repeating slow motion replays that did not include the Eagle falling on the ball… I actually had to rewind my TIVO and watch the play “live” to confirm what I thought I had seen.

When the ref told Reid he can’t challenge because there wasn’t a recovery, Reid should have immediately said “watch the tape – we DID recover the fumble”… but I suspect because FOX wasn’t showing that part of the play over and over – and the coaches upstairs aren’t using a TIVO, that no one was absolutely certain about what had happened.

I thought the explanation SEEMED plausible (“hey, if you don’t recover – its a moot point”) but ONLY if you bought into the bullshit reality that the Eagle didn’t jump on the ball.

I was completely furious at the broadcast team for failing to point this out – and for the production team for repeatedly showing an edited version of what actually happened.

My suggestion to the Eagles moving forward is to buy a TIVO and do their own rewind if they need to.

Good thing it didn’t cost us the game or anything.

From what I’ve been able to read about the Hochuli rule, the Eagle who fell on the ball was correct for not getting up and trying to run. Because the rule specifically says that the ball can be recovered after a fumble (that appeared to be a incomplete pass) but it cannot be advanced…

So if the Eagle had gotten up and tried to run somewhere with the ball – it wouldn’t have mattered (unless maybe he fumbled it and gave it back to the other team).

I’m not sure why the “no advance” caveat is part of the rule except it was part of the play that resulted in the Hochli rule.

So someones memory about the Giants/Cowboys came sounds correct. Turnover was awarded after review – but nothing more