The 2009 Eagles Draft Class
After the draft, the Eagles were praised as having one of the best drafts in the league. What will follow is an analysis and discussion of the players we drafted, (with a lot of my personal opinion thrown in,) and some thoughts about the types of players we might see our picks developing into.
First, Some Introductory Discussion:
The Eagles drafted eight players this year. We drafted one player in the first round, one in the second, three in the fifth, one in the sixth, and two in the seventh. Of those eight players, six remain with the Eagles today. Of those six, two are on IR, two have turned into consistent starters, one has played fairly consistently, and one has been on the field occasionally.
Positional Drafting:
We drafted 2 WRs, 2 OLmen, (a guard and a tackle,) 1 RB, 1 LB, 1 TE, and 1 DB.
Discussion:
Round 1: Jeremy Maclin - WR (Missouri)
The Eagles moved up in the draft to snag Jeremy after his unexpected slide to the later half of the first round. Can we just all take a moment to thank Al Davis for his never-ending supply of crazy? Jeremy was one of the-top rated WRs in the draft and was expected by most to be a top-ten pick.
I will show my colors immediately: I'm a big fan of Maclin. I think he has a ton of potential and like the way he has gone about his business since his holdout. Maclin is very quietly having an incredibly successful rookie season. I think I'm right in saying (one of you statheads can double-check, if you'd like,) that he trails only Percy Harvin in the entire league in terms of receptions, yards, and TDs for rookie WRs. That's an accomplishment, particularly for the Eagles' offense, which isn't designed to run up WRs' numbers in the manner of the Colts or Pats.
Maclin is, in my opinion, about as good a fit as could be for the X receiver in our offense. He could be a few inches taller but I think that's about it. He's fast, has great body control, good hands, and it's obvious that Donovan trusts him to make the tough catches. Despite his holdout, he seems as though he has character, a drive to improve, and a desire to win. If you watch his long catch-and-run from the Falcons game and his sideline catch against the Redskins, you will see why we have every right to be excited about him.
Something that I feel people forget about Maclin: this kid is fast. Our perspective gets skewed because he's always running around across from a guy who is probably the fastest WR in the NFL. But if you watch his long run from the Falcons game, you will get to watch him burn basically everybody on the field.
DeSean is an absolutely incredible WR. But, the few holes I see in his game are talents Maclin has in spades: body control, really sticky hands, and a prototypical WR frame. It was pointed out to me the other day that Maclin is the exact same size as Reggie friggin' Wayne. (We can hope!) In short, I think that Maclin will grow to be a perfect complement to DeSean, the Yin to his Yang, if you will. As these two WRs continue to grow, I expect us to have one of the very best starting WR tandems in the NFL for years to come.
As far as I can tell, there are two complaints people tend to have about Jeremy: first, that he goes down too easily for his size, and second, that we drafted him when Percy Harvin was still on the board.
Regarding the first point, I'd have to spend a lot of time watching film to analyze it, and I don't have the time right now. I think we can all be fairly confident, though, that with a full offseason of NFL-level conditioning and training that he will improve his ability to break tackles.
As regards the Harvin thing: yes, Harvin has slightly better stats in the receiving game than Maclin. The main reason everybody has been focused on him is because of how explosive he is in the return game and the fact that he's playing with Old Man Wrangler Jeans up here in the cold. (I live in Minneapolis, by the way, and wear my Eagles gear with pride.) The bottom line is that Harvin was a huge character risk. Read Tommy Lawlor's analysis of our draft and you'll get it. He does a better job than I could. Maclin will be great for us and I'm glad we got him.
Round 2: LeSean "Shady" McCoy - RB (Pittsburgh)
Several Draft people called out LeSean as a possible Eagles pick, and here he is. He fits the Westbrook-type mold that has been so successful in our offense: an elusive back with soft hands and enough intelligence to run good routes and learn the blitz pickup. When the Eagles drafted McCoy, it was the highest they had taken a RB in a while. McCoy is clearly being groomed to be Westbrook's successor.
Regardless of what you think of him, we all need to stop a moment and appreciate the monumental size of the role Shady stepped into when Westbrook went down. LeSean is 21 years old. He just got the right to have a beer. He's a rookie. And yet the Eagles turned to him early in the season and told him he would be stepping into the shoes of Brian Westbrook, who is arguably the best RB in the history of our team. Wow. The fact that LeSean has accepted the challenge and has been fairly successful is a testament to his character and commitment.
What I don't like about LeSean: he's still dancing a little bit too much, and hasn't yet totally learned that he can't out-juke four NFL players, regardless of what team they're on. Sometimes that tendency costs him a few yards. He is learning and getting better at this. Also, he still has some ball-security problems. Again, he's getting better at this, too. However, there are still a couple times in each game when he's running with that ball totally unsecured and I have to close my eyes.
What I do like about LeSean: well, there's a lot to like. He's got good character, good hands, good elusiveness, and good vision. While he might not be the second coming of BWest, (the jury is most emphatically still out on that,) he is a good back with a lot of potential. Another thing that I like about him is his willingness to learn. He knows that Westbrook is about as complete a back as exists in the NFL, and he wants to learn from him. Apparently, the extent to which he follows BWest around asking questions has become something of a standing joke in the locker room. That's a good thing. Also, watch him and BWest during games. Brian is in LeSean's ear constantly. I'm not making that up. He is always coaching the kid up. And that's a good thing too.
LeSean was a great pick and I'm excited to watch him develop into a full-time starting RB. People have also mentioned that his frame has a lot of room for extra muscle and that he's already been bulking up. I'm excited to see him get stronger; I think it will help his N-S running between the tackles, which he still needs to do occasionally.
Side note: does anybody else love that Merrill often calls him LeSean "Shady" McCoy during broadcasts?
Round 5: Cornelius Ingram - TE (Florida)
Ingram was tearing camp to pieces before he went and tore his ACL to pieces again. Every single person we heard from on the team was incredibly excited about his potential; Marty called him a "Matchup Nightmare."
Here's some optimistic logic for you: Antonio Gates was an excellent basketball player. So was Ingram. He and Gates have similar frames and movement. Therefore, Cornelius Ingram is the next Antonio Gates. Obviously, I'm being slightly facetious, but everybody was screaming about this kid's potential before he tore that same ACL again in training camp.
I've heard a lot of rumbling that his first ACL surgery wasn't done properly, and that his rehab program was lacking at Florida. The doctor who did his surgery for the Eagles has said that it went perfectly and that Ingram should be just fine. There was a brief interview with Ingram on PE.com where he said he's doing great and that he is certain he'll be back to his old self soon.
Optimists say: "Well, great! The surgery was done properly this time, he has fantastic rehab staff, he'll come back and be as much of a beast as he was in training camp."
Pessimists say: "He's done. Nobody tears the same ACL twice and comes back. He was a great idea, but now he's a lost cause. Draft another TE."
I don't know where I stand. All I can say is that I hope he comes back as dominant as he was in camp. Did you guys see any of the film of him running routes and catching? I mean, holy frogballs.
None of us can know what to expect, but if Ingram comes back strong, we will have gained a stellar player who could help tremendously with our redzone woes. Here's hoping.
Round 5: Victor (Macho) Harris - S/CB (Virginia Tech)
Most draft scouts though Macho would be too slow to play corner in the NFL, and as such would move to safety where he could utilize the hitting and ball-hawking skills that made him so highly regarded in college. Due to Quintin Demps' unimpressive training camp, he started several games for the Eagles at FS before the job was taken over by veteran Sean Jones. He has since played as a Nickelback (during Joselio Hanson's suspension) and in three-safety packages.
This is the only guy who could possibly have a harder job than LeSean McCoy. Make no mistake, gentlemen: Macho was drafted to replace Brian Dawkins. Think about that for a second. If you don't feel bad for the kid then you have no soul.
Macho is raw. We've all seen it. When he was playing safety for us he was getting used to covering space instead of a guy, and he was terrified of making a mistake. Matt Mosley was right (which is unusual considering the guy's such a toolbox) when he said that anybody coming in as a rookie, changing positions, and trying to replace Dawkins had every right to panic. The fact is that Macho didn't panic, and didn't make a lot of mistakes. And don't give me that tired argument about Winslow's catch in the endzone. That's a well-thrown ball and a phenomenal catch under good coverage by an All-Pro tight end.
Macho has performed pretty well as a NB, though he had some rough moments against the Redskins. I don't know that he'll be playing CB (except maybe as our Dimeback) once Mmmbopbadubadopbadoobop comes back, but we'll see.
All you need to do to understand Macho's talent is to look at the job he did on Tony Gonzales yesterday. He has a ton of ability, has been inches from a few picks this year, and will continue to develop. The coaches love this guy. He's physical, smart, and ambitious. Sean Jones will be a fine holdover until Macho is ready.
I'm looking forward to seeing Macho develop, and I think he will become a strong football player for the Eagles. We should all remember that there will probably never be another Brian Dawkins and adjust our expectations accordingly.
Round 5: Fenuki Tupou - OL(T) (Oregon)
Tupou was ranked pretty highly among the OL prospects in this draft and Juan Castillo mentioned him a few times early as a hard worker with potential. He seems to have been drafted for depth in the classic Andy Reid style.
I don't know much about this guy apart from the facts that he has awesome hair and an awesome name. He is on IR as "Undisclosed" but we're told it's supposedly a knee injury. Many people seem to think it was one of those phantom injuries that puts a hopeful player that a team likes on IR because they have too much depth at his position. Hmmmmm...
Expect Tupou to challenge King Dunlap for a backup Tackle role next offseason.
Round 6: Brandon Gibson - WR (Washington State)
Gibson was a slot-type receiver with good hands and good body control. He was traded to the St. Louis Rams as part of the package that brought us Will Witherspoon.
Sigh. Here I go pouring one out for the guy I was hoping would be Avant 2.0. We all loved Gibson. The coaches liked Gibson. The other WRs liked Gibson. David Culley adored Gibson. I think that guy wanted him sexually. Not even joking.
Sadly, the Rams also liked Gibson. And we needed Will Witherspoon badly. Sigh again.
We wish Brandon was still here, but wish him all the best in St. Louis, along with that shifty little Amendola guy some of us liked so much.
Round 7: Paul Fanaika - OL(G) (Arizona State)
Paul was signed for depth at Guard. He was placed on the Practice Squad and signed off of it by the Redskins.
Congratulations to Paul for making it to the active roster of another team. Assuming that Stacy Andrews gets healthy and that we keep Nick Cole around, we're likely to be pretty set at Guard with Herremans performing well so far this year. A lot, obviously, depends on whether Shawn Andrews comes back. If he doesn't I could see us drafting another Guard low or getting one in FA.
Round 7: Moise Fokou - LB (Maryland)
Moise is an aggressive, downhill LB in the best tradition of Jeremiah Trotter. He has seen some playing time this year and has had some great plays on Special Teams.
Here's a kid who has been giving us fits, both of joy and fury. What about Fokou provokes such polar reactions from Eagles fans? Well, it's the undeniable truth of the following two facts:
Fact 1: This kid has a real nose for the ball, is versatile, is aggressive, is fast, and hits like four tons of bricks.
Fact 2: It seems like he's getting called for a significant penalty every other play when he's on the field.
Yup, there's a recipe for a lot of dissension and discontent among Birds fans. I, personally, am on Moise's side. I watched some film and I think I see it. I think I understand why the coaches are so high on Fokou. He’s the exact type of player the Eagles love at the LB spot. Yes, he’s committed some stupid penalties. But, he’s a rookie. An aggressive, downhill-style rookie who’s trying to earn playing time for himself.
Watch the plays that he’s been involved with, both of defense and ST. He flies around the ball. He hits really, really hard. Does he need work? Absolutely. Is he polished and ready to start? Absolutely not. But if you watch him closely you will see why the coaches love his potential so much. And that’s why God created the offseason.
That's All, Folks...
I hope we can all chime in about these players and get some good chatter going about our different perceptions of their performances. I think the 2009 Eagles draft class was a resounding success.
Here's hoping we draft as well next year, and here's hoping that our first round pick comes at number 32!
Go Birds!
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I like both the pick of Maclin and McCoy
I’m not going to lie I was very skeptical of the Maclin Selection at first but he has really played great. With that said I think that the McCoy pick was better in “value,” they were both great value picks. Also I think that for our offence its more important to have a running back like McCoy than have a receiver like Maclin.
Let's get it Birds.
They were both great value picks.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Agreed, both picks were excellent
but the better pick was obviously McCoy.
Maclin was drafted to be a top 2 or 3 receiver, with the injuries to the rest of the receiving corps, his performance was to be expected this year.
McCoy, on the other hand, was drafted to be 36’s understudy and eventual replacement. When he went down, Djax had to really step up and has done so admirably.
by SmilingJPhilsPhan on Dec 9, 2009 1:30 AM EST up reply actions
um I disagree..
Maclin was the one that was going to take a season to even see the field as a WR, infact they were saying in the preseason that he was only going to be used as a PR/KR.. Now due to an injury to Kevin Curtis he has had to step up and make plays, and the fact that Reggie Brown sucks factored into him playing..
Now McCoy was supposed to get a few carries here and there to keep Westbrook fresh. If anything his production was to be expected.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
I loved the Maclin pick!
I started screaming like a little school girl as soon as Roger Goodell finished saying “… Eagles have selected WR Jeremy…”
After that, it was all pretty much a blur.
This kid is the real deal. I feel like he has only scratched the surface of his potential right now. The sky is the limit.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
he's really fast.
that play he made yesterday, running a crossing route against a zone D was amazing. maclin just ran away from everyone. the MLB knew what was happening the FS knew what was happening, but maclin just ran by them.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 7, 2009 8:20 PM EST up reply actions
Indeed.
Maclin ran a 4.43 at the combine, faster than all the top WRs except Harvin and DHB. Moreover, Harvin was only .02 seconds faster, which is literally nothing. Not .2, .02.
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and he had a hurt foot or something like that.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
well I said something like "that"
meaning leg.. Still a 4.4 with a bum knee..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Well .2 is an eternity when for 40 times
But nonetheless, the kid is fast.
The funny thing is
That I specifically emphasized that difference in my comment.
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McCoy...
Good value pick.
I didn’t especially love McCoy going into the draft. I knew the Eagles needed to spend a high pick on a RB, but he was my least favorite RB of the “upper tier.” Like many others of you, I really wanted Knowshon. Then of course, I liked Beanie and Donald… but hindsight being 20/20, I don’t think the first day of the draft could’ve ended up much better.
I have really grown to love McCoy. I think he still has a long way to go (cut down on the dancing; hold the ball tighter to your body so I don’t die of cardiac arrest). But I absolutely loved where we got McCoy. To get him in the middle of the 2nd when some mocks had him going at the end of the 1st round is great value.
After the draft I was ecstatic with our draft overall… and now 12 weeks into the season, I love it even more.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
(Sidenote: I know I was insane to think Beanie would be a good fit for our offense. He can’t catch a cold. But I think I had an Al Davis moment when I saw a guy of his size run the 40 time that he did…. good thing I’m not the GM of the Eagles)
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
Maclin vs. McCoy
I think Maclin has had a better season, but McCoy has been more indispensable. IMagine if we hadn’t picked Maclin. Chances are, we would have started Reggie Brown/Jason Avant and Desean Jackson. Our offense may not have been as explosive, but it would still have been pretty good. Maclin takes it to another level.
However, without McCoy, our season would have gone down the toilet. McCoy has stepped in for a hall-of-famer. Therefore, Maclin has been the better player, but McCoy was the better pick.
“Matt Mosley is a toolbox.”- YES!
I hate Matt Mosley!
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
I loathe Matt Mosley!
He is a closet Giants fan who every chance he gets, rides there jock straps all because the won a Superbowl 2 years ago. Jackass.
by macjack09 on Dec 7, 2009 9:07 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
What a Douchenozzle...
Here we go again with more of his usual dreck… Eli Manning is the best QB in the NFC East. The Giants DL is the best football has seen in the past 20 years. Hakeem Nicks was the best WR in the draft. Tom Coughlin is the best coach in football. Blah blah blah blah blah.
He drives me nuts.
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Mosley said "Eli will be MVP..."
My favorite was before the season when he thought Eli Manning was going to win the NFL MVP award….
I wish I could find the link to that… but it’s true. Matt Mosley was making predictions and he thought Eli would win the N-F-L M-V-P award… I pooped myself a little bit when I read that.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
good analysis
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Great Post
I was high on Maclin when they drafted him even when I kept hearing and reading about all those people questioning him in the preseason. I made a post in the offseason about him having the same measurements as Reggie and same 40 yard dash time (even though Maclin is obviously faster). We have the best core in the East in turns of WR. The next Boldin/Fitzgerald (ok maybe not that great, but not to far off).
I love McCoy, but he needs to stop dancing otherwise, he’s won me over. I love the kid.
I don’t think Macho was brought in to be the successor to Dawkins. I believe that was for Demps and Sean was brought in (I believe) just to push Demps. But when they finally realized that Demps sucks and Sean had to start picking up the FS spot, Macho was forced to step up and take over and he responded very well. He wasn’t spectacular, but he was solid. I can’t be mad at him for that. He’s done a great job, and he held Gonzalez in check for the most part and I can’t even hate on that either.
by macjack09 on Dec 7, 2009 5:40 PM EST via mobile reply actions 1 recs
Maclin over Harvin all day, any day.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
by Route36 on Dec 7, 2009 6:01 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Well...
Harvin and DJax are too similar, and I prefer DJax to Harvin…Maclin is a nice possession and tough catch/good hands receiver to compliment DJax…for us, I’d take Maclin over Harvin, but there is no loss either way you go.
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
DJax and Harvin’s egos wouldn’t mesh.
Maclin’s humbleness is a good complement to DJax.
by andyreidswaistline on Dec 7, 2009 8:44 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
I like Djax's cocky yet not explosive ego...
He knows hes good, everyone else knows he’s good and hes gonna talk about it and still produce..
Maclin is quiet and will undoubtedly kill someone if you force him to get loud..
But yes they both compliment one another very well.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
I just hope
Djax doesn’t become a celebrity football player…
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
I dont think it will..
He has an ego but its not the same as TO’s or Fred X’s ego…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Rec'd
Good piece for conversation!
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
You know...
Maclin’s 40 time at the combine was only .02 seconds slower than Harvin’s?
Speedy kid.
However, some of the players on the Eagles have said that they think DeSean runs a 40 somewhere in the 4.2s during games.
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Yeah...
It is not just about 40 times…it is about how fast you can change directions and how quickly you get to top speed…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
all and all
a GREAT draft….and imagine what we would have if Cornelius didn’t bust his knee. I remember watching him during Training Camp. HOLY FROGBALLS is right. That man is a freak. I really, really wish he comes back strong.
One of the best, if not the best, drafts Reid has had in his during his time here in Philly.
Seriously. This draft was oh so amazing.
by LegendKnight22 on Dec 7, 2009 10:19 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
Harris . . . lots to be desired
Harris may have lots of raw ability but he has made his share of stupid penalties already this season including 4 personal fouls. He just plays dumb out there. Harris also has gotten burned a couple of times in a big way in pass coverage a few times.
In fact, Harris really isn’t on the field all the much right now in basic downs and only comes in selective downs with Jones/Demps getting a majority of the snaps the last few weeks.
You realize he the only big play he was burned on was a touchdown catch by an all-pro tight end in the back of the end zone? Last week he had to cover the best tight end to ever play in the league and pretty much shut him down whenever he was on him.
by fhqwagads on Dec 9, 2009 5:54 AM EST up reply actions 1 recs
Did you watch the game?
What are you talking about? Harris hardly played last week and when he didn’t it wasn’t necessarily covering Gonzalez who was often matched up against Gocong/’Spoon.
bro.. They were saying the entire 2nd half
“this kid the eagles have in Macho Harris is doing a phenominal job covering Tony Gonzolez” and they went on to say how good he’s been this year and all that stuff about being a rookie…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
that article
that shit is bogus .. harris barley played .. he made one good play on gonzalez .. shows how much writers really pay attention .. macho isnt great .. hes average
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 10, 2009 11:55 PM EST up reply actions
Yes because you can already tell that for a rookie still learning the system it’s impossible for him to be better than average. I like how you draw judgement on players in their like first few months of playing in the league.
Macho has been JIB-stained.
Careful FHQ, he might JIB-Stain you for daring to disagree with him.
Well thats good...
I’m glad Macho got the JIB-Stain that usually means a player will be very successful.
Actually I have only seen him cause 1 penalty
and ive watched all but 2 games.. And I dont think he “plays dumb out there” considering he is a rookie 5th round pick who is starting at Safety(at least he did before the injury).. And he never really got “burned” he helps over the top, McDermott has been protecting him…
Demps sucks and hes barely gotten snaps on special teams.. Jones is to much of a physical talent to not start over a Rookie.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Demps never impressed...
I watched Demps last year during preseason get burned constantly in pass coverage. I never understood what anyone could see in him. When I heard that he had the starting job coming in, I just assumed everyone else sucked more. I was pleasantly surprised to see that Harris was much better.
Yeah, I hate demps..
I think the eagles see a fast guy who can pick the ball off…
Harris is pretty good though.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Dude...
Harris was a 5th round pick and he’s starting as a rookie. Rookies can get owned, but I gotta say, when I see his replacements in who have more years on him, I notice them a lot more on these issues you cite…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Harris has sucked
Any way you slice it, Harris has sucked out there. It is the reason that Jones is the starter right now and getting a majority of the snaps. Hell, Harris has really seen his amount of snaps reduced as Jones has generally been more steady out there and Demps is back from injury.
You’re so full of it, Harris is a CORNERBACK converted to a SAFETY, you realize how complex the Eagles defense is to learn and the free safety has to be the quarterback of the secondary. It took a 7 year veteran Sean Jones all of training camp, preseason, and about 5 regular season games to win his job from a ROOKIE! Same goes for Demps who has been in this system for a year to that point and was basically spoon-fed the job from the beginning. Obviously the coaches see something special in him if they let a rookie open the season at free safety which hasn’t happened in decades.
actually Jones is the starter because
Harris got hurt and Jones adds expirience… The Only thing Jones has on harris is size and expirience and both of those will come with time to Harris…
Demps sucks ass… Get off the Demps high.
Harris has done awesome.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
harris
harris is not good bro .. get off his nuts .. sean jones took his job .. he should of started from week one .. demps is more athletic .. and so is jones .. harris is too slow .. and isnt the big hitter he was in college
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 10, 2009 11:56 PM EST up reply actions
Are you talking about harris?
Or Jack Iguana?
Nyuck Nyuck Nyuck!
harris is too slow .. and isnt the big hitter he was in college
Outside Of the Draft This Is probably the Best offseason!!
Peters, Weaver, Maclin, Shady, Sean Jones, Macho, Vick……….(cant win em all) great Job FO Totally rebuilt the team Next Yr Defense and we will be ready to Cont to dominate for Yrs to come!
Agree
This is one of those dominating offseasons that unfortunately the injury bug hit and we can’t seem to shake it…
---AstrosFan (Austin Lawyer and Sports Fan)
Great Post
Well written and thought out. And I especially enjoyed the exclamation ‘holy frogballs!’ That part had me laughing.
Thanks.
Agreed great post man, a good read
Last year as Desean Jackson plummeted down the draft I was losing my mind cuz i needed him on my team… I went crazy man, Holy frogballs indeed.
This year I had a similar but not quite as urgent reaction to McCoy as he slipped.
Both times I was begging for the eagles to trade up for the playmaker the offense needed. Both times they waited and got great value….actually they traded down with desean on the board, Great job drafting the last two years.
My "t" and "y" buttons are messed up so don't bitch at me about misspelling, I'm just saying.
by RadioheadbeatlesEagles on Dec 7, 2009 11:56 PM EST reply actions
You're all welcome.
I don’t write fanposts unless I think I have something to say and that I can say it in a way that wroth peoples’ time. Thanks and recs appreciated.
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rec'd
two good posts in a row, keep it up.
"it's like i tell my ex-wife, i never drive faster than i can see, and besides it's all in the reflexes." -Jack Burton, Big trouble in little China
our best pick was gibson in the 6th
traded for witherspoon who possibly saved our season
Good point
Witherspoon might be the most underrated move in the league this year.
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
jury's out on ingram
but if he pans out to be Antonio Gates lite like I hear, this draft could be among the top 5 in eagles history
I know, I'm nervous.
Two players with ACL tears, Bradley and Ingram. I know the odds aren’t good that they both come back all the way. We all just have to keep our fingers crossed.
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ingram
you gotta like that he’s rehabbing with a great character like stewart. He’ll come back stronger w/ stewart pushing him.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 8, 2009 6:21 PM EST up reply actions
Eh, I think its the other way around..
Ingrams pushing Stew right now.. Ingrams done it all before and know’s how far you can push the limits, Stews gonna push him but Ingrams doing the brunt of that.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
stew
did you read the article about the two of them rehabbing together? Ingram said stew is an animal, and pushing him to the limits during rehab. It’s def. stew pushing ingram to go to his max.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 8, 2009 6:44 PM EST up reply actions
I like it. Sounds like a productive competition either way.
We’ll be luck to get one back 100%. If we get two back: “HOLY FROGBALLS” again. It seems that while it takes a season to get an ACL repaired player back on the field it takes a season AND a half for these ACLs to fully recover to 100%. I’m thinking of McNabb and Sean Lee that come to mind right away. But I guess Brady might be a different story.
well techniquely there fully healed...
its the rehab and the graft taking hold in the knee…
But make no mistake the chances of them coming back and not being hesitant are about 1:100
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Right.
Maybe they are healed, but hesitant. It makes sense. Some never get over it:
Joe_D will love what I’m about to say. Twice last week, McD was in a play action situation where could have easily run for first downs earlier in his career, but threw it instead, both times.
Hesitant? – Joe might say so.
Wiser? – I’d say 50/50. He knows the quality of the QB’s behind him now and he’s thinking more strategically in the past games, too.
I love the Eagles in December.
time
ingram and stew will have this whole year to recover and rehab…will then have all of training camp just like brady….so if anything i think you could look at it positively and expect only to take 5-6 weeks into the season till they’re comfortable. I’ve torn my acl i know the whole deal w/ it, but im being positive given the length of time they have to recover….it’s almost lucky they did it early in the year.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 8, 2009 10:41 PM EST up reply actions
nah itll be more like
3 months before there mentally back.. The easiest position to come back after an ACL injury is QB..
Also they gotta catch up to game speed.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
game speed
no one is game speed healthy or not…that’s what all the preseason and first couple of weeks do to a player. so if they’re healthy at the beginning of camp they’ll have just as much time as everyone else to get up to game speed.
3 months into the season?? If that’s what you think, thats WAY too much. you’re talking 12 games. Consdering they were injured before the season. Every position has its difficulties after an acl injury, but that’s all semantics….It’s mostly mental if the surgery and rehab has all gone well. So as long as they’re in camp and get over the confidence issue, they’ll be fine. So time is the biggest deciding factor as to how ready they are for next season, and right now its on their side. That’s the biggest difference between ingram/stew then stacy, he had surgery in january.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 9, 2009 2:55 PM EST up reply actions
Nah bro about 3 months...
It took me 10 games to finally lose all hesitance and get over it… Everyone else that I have seen it takes them an entire season to get over it.
Look at Stacy… And no, being out an entire season will mess with there game speed…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
stacy
had his surgery in january and then had to get ready for the season. Stew and Ingram are gonna have this entire season and the winter before camp to get used to their repaired knee. Ive torn my knee i know the feelings.
I’m not sayin being out the entire year won’t mess w/ game speed, but if they’re in camp and ready to go, you’re crazy if you think they’re not gonna be at game speed w/in the first half of the season. They’ll have all of camp to get used to playin w/ the repaired knee and preseason. I highly doubt they’ll be hesitant when it comes to the regular season. Look at Ingram, he didnt have hesitation, and he had a whole year off. He didnt play scared in practice.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 11, 2009 8:06 PM EST up reply actions
bro, I understand you have messed up your knee but
I know from expirience what a years worth of preparation and stuff does, your still tenitive and you still have it stuck in the back of your mind…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Ridiculous
Gates is one of the better TEs of the last 25 years and possibly might go down as a HOF one day. Comparing him to a guy who hasn’t played an NFL snap yet is just plain stupid.
giants fan, eh?
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 9, 2009 10:39 PM EST up reply actions
Andy ran a huge risk in drafting McCoy,
He liked Harvin and was public by saying he was intrigued by Harvian and Crabtrees talent. He could have stood @ 21 and drafted him. But decided to draft Maclin who he never even brought in for a tryout. He only know how much other teams valued him, he basically picked a kid with out seeing first hand his tools. I’m sure he saw his hit tape and had a value chart to work from. But Maclin was by far the more risky pick, he had Nicks, Britt and Harvin still on the board, but had the stones to draft Maclin. Good for him.
McCoy was an obvious pick, all top backs where gone by then. I thought McCoy should have been drated by Indy in the first, but they decided Beanie was their guy. All of the above mentioned players have played well this year. All except Donald Brown, he struggled a little bit after having a great camp.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
Indry drafted Donald Brown
Beanie was drafted by Arizona.
McCoy is outperforming both so far this season
no
he hasnt out performed wells!!
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 8, 2009 5:09 PM EST up reply actions
yes he has... In less time McCoys dont the same amount.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
JIBTA SMASH!!!!
You have dissed Beanie Wells!
JIBTA is coming for your children!
Flee!
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maclin
the only reason that maclin wasn’t brought in for a workout is because the eagles thought there was no way in hell he got down to them. if anything, the other teams were morons, and the pick was a no brainer/homerun.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 8, 2009 6:24 PM EST up reply actions
oh yeah of coarse..
He was supposed to go top 10 maybe even 5… When he got down to 19 I was screaming “get em andy get em”.. My dad was pissed at first but I knew Maclin could do it.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
It was a no brainer, He was projected to go at 9 to Oakland by some.
I was screaming as well, but he still drafted a kid he didn’t even try out. That in its own is a risk. Maybe Andy starts to check out higher rated players, in case some team has a nother brain fart and drafts wrong and gives him a shot at that player.
Good job by Andy on that.
Bleed green, or don't bleed at all!
risk
you can say its a risk because he didnt try him out, but when the entire league and every analyst has him in the top 10….it’s not really that risky. He was the no. 2 ranked wr in the draft, how much risk did he really take.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 10, 2009 4:15 PM EST up reply actions
nah bro, when someone is a sure fire top 10 and they drop to
19 I dont think its a that big of a risk… And they had his combine numbers..
Andy saw a player he thought would be gone, he though it would be worth it to move up and take him and he did.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
I think McCoy has been more important as a pick this year, simply because we needed a starting caliber RB and we got him, but I think Maclin will have the greater overall impact over the course of his career, since we do not use a RB as much.
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mccoy
yah, thats why i voted mccoy. Getting mccoy has been the bigger need since westbrook has been injured so much this year.
"Eagles fans are a passionate group who love their team," said McNabb, "if not the actual players. It's not like winning a Super Bowl before the first month of the season is the hardest thing they've ever asked of me. That'd be all those times they asked me to go kill myself."
by greenbean#twoOH on Dec 8, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
Yeah we'd be fubar without
McCoy… who would we have Bunkley, Booker(jesus christ) and Weaver…
Im 100% content to let Weaver play RB some but no way in hell do I want him to play it every single play of every single game… there using him perfectly right now.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
don't forget about dan klecko
kyle eckel, as well.
and we did bring in pj hill.
human beings, who are almost unique in their ability to learn from the experiences of others, are also remarkable for their apparent disinclination to do so.
by variablesdont on Dec 8, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
It wouldn't hurt to have Klecko rotating back at DT.
I’m surprised nobody picked him up.
A funny note about the Ingram Gates comparison
in my copy of Madden 10, every time Ingram catches a ball the announcers says “Antonio Gates.” No lie. Kind of funny to me, actually.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
I didn't mind.
Thanks for the compliment. I didn’t mind the correction; given the way I wrote this article, I really should have gotten that right.
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Harris has struggled at best
Comparing Harris to Dawkins servers no point but what are people talking about saying that Harris has played even adequately?
Take the last two games – Harris was pressed into the nickel CB gig at times during the ’Skins and struggled mightily. Skins threw at him all day targeting the slot WR (Thomas/Kelly) and when Harris was matched against Davis. They had a lot of success too. Harris is just too slow/not nimble enough to cover WRs even a nickel CB in the slot.
As for last week against the Falcons, how can anyone say he did a good job in that game on Gonzalez? Gonzalez was targeted 12 times and caught 8 balls for 72 yards. Hardly a good job of shutting him down. The other fact is that Harris simply wasn’t covering Gonzalez all that much. Harris didn’t play as much last week because Jones/Demps got more time at FS and Harris didn’t play as a nickel CB. Even when he was in, Harris wasn’t covering Gonzalez all that much as the Eagles often had ’Spoon/Gocong on him. Plus Harris had yet another dumb personal foul call last week on him.
Harris maybe be a better option than Demps but there is a good reason that Harris has lost the starting job to Jones and really seen the amount of snaps he is out there decline over the past few weeks. Just isn’t a good coverage FS/CB in man-to-man schemes, makes too many dumb mistakes (e.g. 4 personal fouls on the season), and has played tentatively at times.
Doesn’t mean that Harris might improve a bit and possibly could be the starter next year with a strong camp. It wouldn’t surprise me either to see the Eagles either resign Jones (or another veteran S) because right now there is no way that Harris is going to be the starter at FS next year unless the Eagles’ really don’t have any options than Demps.
Thank God
That someone posted this:
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2009/12/9/1193903/macho-getting-love-in-the-rookie
So that I didn’t have to waste my time explaining why you’re wrong about everything.
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This makes no sense
1. So Harris changed the Falcons game plan even though he wasn’t even covering Gonzalez an overwhelming majority of the time?
Falcons targeted Gonzalez 12 times and most of the times the Eagles had a LB on him and not a safety. In fact, a LB (White/May/Gocong/’Spoon) was covering Gonzalez on 7 of the 12 times he was targeted. The other people covering him were Howard, Jones, Patterson, and Brown. Harris was credit with covering him ONCE in those 12 targeted attempts. So I am sure the Falcons adjusted their entire offensive scheme for Gonzalez because of a guy who covered him once when he was targeted 12 times by Redman.
2. What about the fact that Harris simply didn’t play as much in the Falcons game because of the increased time that Jones/Demps saw? Harris was likely in there in about half of the snaps on defense at best and didn’t play any CB on Sunday because Patterson was the nickel.
3. If Gonzalez was there entire game plan, why did they only target him 12 times and target White 20 times?
This scouting report = Fail.
Okay.
Never mind.
You’re right about everything ever. Including arts and crafts.
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dude
how does 12 targets and 8 catches a good job .. thats a bad job!!! just cuz some one else says he did a good job doesnt make it right .. unless JIBTA says it than u cant assume its 100 percent right
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 10, 2009 11:59 PM EST up reply actions
Your really stupid...
I’m sorry but to be frank you really are stupid…
Harris is a 5th round rookie who is a converted CB who is now playing FS in one of the most complex defensive systems EVER.. He handles Gonzo, I really doubt you even watched the game or you wouldve heard the experts talk about hew well he did..
Im pretty sure your going to talk about Demps or Jones and how there better where in reality Demps suck and Jones just has more expirience and played alot because Harris is returning from injury..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
jones
jones is 10 times the player macho is .. macho is too fuckin slow .. he doesnt hit like he did in college .. isnt great in coverage .. jones is an athlete .. he gets ints .. hes proved that
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 11, 2009 12:01 AM EST up reply actions
Damn...
Here I was thinking I was going to get to read a discussion on one of my posts that would be untainted by JIBTA’s idiocy.
I was such a fool.
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Contribute it to Christmas Spirit.
It was good will, not tool-hood. Everyone get’s JIB-stained.
So awesome . . .
That Harris can’t even get on the field the last 2 weeks and has had his duties as the KR returner yanked for Demps.
The only thing that Harris has been awesome at this season is keeping the bench warm and it isn’t like the guys in front of him are prime-time players.
Clever
Where I did assert that? I just posted some stats and you post dumb cr@p like this. By the way here so more stats:
- Harris didn’t have a personal foul.
- Harris was called for pass interference in the 1st qtr while defending Tony Gonzalez.
- Harris gave up a big play to White in the 2nd qtr for a 27-yard gain.
- Falcons ran the ball 17 times, passed 18 times in the 1st half. If anybody had a huge impact on this game, it was the defense-line which almost completely stymied the running game in the 1st half. They also had a nice pass rush that helped to make Redman even more erratic. By the time the 4th quarter rolled around, it was over and Falcons were just reduced
To insist that Harris had a meaningful impact on this game is really stretching it to say the least. Doesn’t mean he played decently in his limited time while in there but it is a real stretch to say that Harris changed the Falcons’ game plan or had a huge impact on this game too. That’s all.
Oh, for pete's sake...
The Falcons didn’t stop passing because their running game wasn’t working. They started passing because they were behind by a huge margin of points. That let our DL pin their ears back and go balls-out.
Lawlor, Pearson, and Wulf all specifically mentioned Macho’s contribution against Gonzalez. Who am I supposed to trust? The scouts and PMs, or you?
Moreover, that PI call on Gonzo was total crap. Since you’re telling me stuff that happened during this game, I assume you have the whole thing DVRd. Take a look at that play. The call was B.S., but as Lawlor says, “Superstar players get those calls.”
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I think the personal foul call was BS, too.
I think Macho covered Gonzalez above his normal level of ability. Before the game, I expected him to get carved up like a turkey.
I’d like to think he is growing into a better level of ability. He rose to a huge challenge. That’s what we want from our team.
The interference call was the better of two evils and smart, if you know you’re beat.
The big play to White was blown coverage.
You are both part right. I call this one a tie.
IG – wearing stripes.
Fokou Penalties
MJG was getting way too many penalties during the pre-season last year and turned out to be near perfect during regular season until he broke his freaking leg. I trust the coaches to get Fokou running smoother.
I know this is way early in his career – and a stretch – but he kind of reminds me of Messrs Runyan and Dawkins on the ‘Bill Bergey Meanness Scale’. There’s just something about him. I think they might have mis-spelled his last name.
I can’t put my finger on it. Maybe some of you big dog analyzers can express this better. Babin has it, too. It’s like every time they hit some one they go ‘oooooh, that felt GOOD!’
Spectacular Draft
I love it when the Eagles pick players I saw a lot in college. I’m a Pitt grad and I went apeshit when the Eagles nabbed him. I agree with the criticism that he dances too much, but he’s young and was thrust into a starting role. BTW, I love how the Birds are using McCoy and Weaver to compliment each other. The only thing you need to know about Shady is that he can make people miss and can catch the football – probably the two most important things for a West Coast running back. I predict a big game from him before the season’s out.
My only grip on Maclin is that he looked retarded returning kickoffs, completely clueless.
Macho is a nice addition. The other guys are non-factors.
I think you guys need to draft Nate Allen this year
I really don’t know what Reid sees in Macho.
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