Six Philadelphia Eagles selected to 2010 Pro Bowl
by JasonB on Dec 29, 2009 7:06 PM EST
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Six Eagles have been selected as 2009 pro bowlers. Hopefully none actually play in the game since it's now the week before the super bowl, but it's definitely a great honor for the guys selected. All are absolutely deserving.
WR DeSean Jackson (First pro bowl)
FB Leonard Weaver (First pro bowl)
OT Jason Peters (Third pro bowl)
DE Trent Cole (Second pro bowl)
CB Asante Samuel (Third pro bowl)
K David Akers (Fourth pro bowl)
Also Desean Jackson was voted as the NFC's starting kick returner. He is the first player in NFL history to be voted as a starting position player and special teamer. The kid is no longer an "up and coming" superstar, he's arrived.
Desean Jackson, Leonard Weaver, Jason Peters, & Asante Samuel are all starters.
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I hope not a single one of them actually plays in the Pro Bowl.
Celek and Sheldon are snubs, but other than that it’s a good list.
He nearly got the Broncos into the playoffs singlehandedly. Surely that could have gotten him some AFC votes.
by JasonB on Dec 29, 2009 7:46 PM EST up reply actions 1 recs
ha ha ha ha + 1000
R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...
good picks
too bad sheldon couldn’t make it.
and witten of course made it over celek
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
by Igglesfan13 on Dec 29, 2009 7:08 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i know this isnt relevent
but brian dawkins made it as a starter as strong safety. just another notch on the belt of a great career
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
by Igglesfan13 on Dec 29, 2009 7:10 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Dawks was 1st in tackles for FS in the AFC.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 29, 2009 8:10 PM EST up reply actions
Not that he didn't have a good year
But Dawkins is at the point in his career where he’s going to get in automatically. Like Ray Lewis.
big shout out to dawk.
and all our guys too. they arent playing right???
"Eli made a good tackle. I tried to run him over. ... Next time I'll try to jump over his head or something." - Asante Samuel
funny you should mention this..
Because apparently yahoo sports thinks dawkins will always be an eagles as it has him listed as playing for the eagles in their pro-bowl roster list on the website, oops, quite the mistake, pretty funny stuff…here is the link.
by PhilsForever on Dec 29, 2009 10:00 PM EST up reply actions
celek
got jipped
Yes I have vegeta from dragon ball z in my picture....combined with eagles logo my picture is badass enough to cure cancer
Sheldon was a clear snub...
but I wasn’t expecting Celek to make it, if he has this big of a year next year, then I expect him to make it. Someone else who I felt should have made it was Herremans. Just my opinion though.
Nice...
I think they deserved it. Im not sure about Jason Peters, but Sheldon deffinetly should have been there. I havent seen Rodgers-Cromartie play, but I cant imagine that he was better than Sheldon. Herremans couldn’t make it, because he most 5-6 weeks or something because of his injury.
I think that Jamaal Jackson deserved it. I cant see how Gurode is better then O’hara and will start. Iwould pick O’hara and Jackson.
The thing about Peters is...
There really aren’t many great OTs in the NFC. The old stalwarts like Pace and Johnson are gone, so there aren’t many big names left. Peters’ reputation and his big money move in the offseason makes him of one of the most visible players at the position.
Plus, he’s had a pretty damn good second half. Did I think he had a full “pro bowl season?” Not particularly, but was he having one in relation to the rest of the NFC OTs? Maybe. I’m not really sure.
Peters hasn’t exactly been impressive in my opinion. I have seen him hold, and I have seen him give up some sacks where he just looks slow and silly.
I’m still a little iffy on the Peter’s trade. I will be curious to see what happens with Eric Wood and Shawn Nelson (players buffalo drafted).
Eric Wood apparently had quite a season.
by Clyde Simmons on Dec 29, 2009 8:38 PM EST up reply actions
u mean Joe Thiessman'd his leg
Here's hoping for a better 2010...
RIP JJ, Steve, The Rev, and last but not least, Goodbye Dawkins ):
by eaglemaniac814 on Dec 29, 2009 10:19 PM EST up reply actions
NFC Tackles
Stinchcomb – 2 sacks allowed, 1 hold, 2 false starts, Saints #2 rushing off right tackle
Peters – 5 sacks allowed, 1 hold, 5 false starts, Eagles #4 rushing off left tackle
McKinnie – 8 sacks allows, 1 hold, 2 false starts, Vikings #6 rushing off left tackle
Other notables:
McKenzie (injured) – 3.5 sacks allowed, 0 holds, 1 false start, Giants #5 rushing off right tackle
Colombo (injured) – 1 sack allowed, 1 hold, 4 false starts, Cowboys #10 rushing off right tackle
Justice – 4 sacks allowed, 1 hold, 4 false starts, Eagles #8 rushing off right tackle
Barron – 4.5 sacks allowed, 5 holds, 5 false starts, Rams #1 rushing off left tackle
Trueblood – 5 sacks allowed, 0 holds, 10 false starts, Bucs #3 rushing off right tackle
Adams – 7 sacks allowed, 3 holds, 6 false starts, Cowboys #2 rushing off left tackle
Wharton – 8.5 sacks allowed, 3 holds, 0 false starts, Panthers #5 rushing off left tackle
Peters is in because no other left tackles in the NFC had fewer negative plays, protected a big time quarterback, and a big impact in the running game. Once you actually look at the numbers, it makes a lot of sense. if the St. Louis Rams had the faintest whiff of a passing game and were and 8-8 team, Barron might have made it.
No way gay ass witten out performed Celek this season.
by 5IVE on Dec 29, 2009 7:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Celek got snub. Witten over celek? Is this a popularity contest or a flipping NFL allstar roster? F that! Sheldon got snubbed too.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Dec 29, 2009 7:24 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Theres no fucking way that Witten had a better year than Celek.
Witten: 954yds 1TD.
Celek: 875yds 8TD.
Witten had just 79 more yds than Celek, but 7 less TDs.
That is why the Pro-Bowl is a crock of shit.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
Crock of cow dung. So pissed.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Dec 29, 2009 7:34 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
TG is better than Witten… that’s why this pick is so ludacris.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Dec 29, 2009 7:46 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Celek and Tony Gonzalez don't play for America's Team
When you put on that helmet with the star on it, you become something special. You’re not a member of the rest of this NFL trash. You’re a Dallas Cowboy. You’re on America’s team.
That’s why Witten got in. (Obviously I think being a Dallas Cowboy is special in the same way that the slow kids are called “special”, but this is how Cowboys fans will justify the pick)
lets see there are many good reasons......
Celek:
69 catches
875 yards
8 tds
Witten:
88 catches
954 yards
1 td
Lets not forget alot of this has to do with how consistant a player is each year. Witten has avg. 91 catches the past three years and around like 970 yards the past three years. Celek has had a ok year but he is not Witten at this time in his career. Plus I don’t remember seeing Celek as a good blocker. TE’s are based on all around, not just if they can catch balls. Also , out of the 19 more balls caught by Witten, how many resulted in first downs? These things all go into account, not just cause a guy has one good year. No way I take Celek over Witten at this point for the probowl. Good thing for Celek is age 24 and Witten is old at 27 :) ( I know sarcastically speaking lol)
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
First Downs
Witten – 44 of 88 catches (that would be 50%)
Celek – 37 of 69 catches (that would be 53.6%)
Davis – 39 of 72 catches (that would be 54.2%)
Winslow – 43 of 72 catches (that would be 59.7%)
Gonzalez – 53 of 80 catches (that would be 66.3%)
As usual, the Dallas player is only leading when you use Dallas Math, where the closer you are to ZERO in some positive category, the better you are.
Amen Andrew B
we can always count on you for the stats
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
"consistant a player is each year????"
It’s THIS YEARS pro bowl. Not a life time achievement award, you nut! It’s for this year. Witten has more catches and yards but look at the average per catch. Celek has him beat by 2 yds per catch. That’s a huge difference and then you add in there the 8 to 1 TD grabs…..please it’s a non issue. Witten got in there on name recognition only.
then if thats the case as you say
then Austin should be starting over Jackson for the WR position. As you stated its this year and well his stats are better. You all argue td’s as the biggest and he has more at the WR POSITION. I hope you all stick to the same arguement as you do with Celek and Witten and say Austin is better this year but I won’t hold my breathe lol. Wait someone will come on and reply with his WR stats and his retrun stats combined. The logic is there and I am waiting for someone to pony up and admit :)
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
dude
i been saying austin should of started .. but lets be real here .. dubious .. tony gonzalez over witten .. no?
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 31, 2009 12:18 AM EST up reply actions
based on stats this year
I would say no IMO. Gonzalez has 80 catches for 837 yards. Thats a huge drop from his normal production of 96 and 99 catches the last two years with over 1050 yards also. I have always thought he is the best TE, but they have had reasons for his drop in production mainly due to Ryans injuries. He had a off year and will be back next year and if his stats are better than yes he should go over Witten.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
This is a ridiculous argument. I’m with JIBTA. TG is on a new team this year so I wouldn’t of expected his receptions to be the same or have increased. He worked into a new team/system and he still has more TDs than Witten with less receptions, making him a bigger threat than Witten. But OBVIOUSLY its hard to find a Cowboys fan around here that can admit that they don’t have the best TE in the league, even though its obviously to everyone else that there are better TEs in the league. Antonio Gates, Tony Gonzalez, Dallas Clark, and I won’t even name Celek since it would be considered bias. I can admit Witten is good, even great but THIS YEAR has not been his best nor the best compared to other TE’s in the league.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
I have them in this order...
And this is for what the Pro Bowl voting should have been (not an order of the best players)…
- Vernon Davis
- Brent Celek
- Tony Gonzalez
- Kellen Winslow
- Jason Witten
yea
but tony has similar to wittens numbers .. and he has more tds .. im with you on celek .. but this is tony G were talkin about … he belongs in probowl .. no offense .. im with u on witten but dont get overboard .. are u going to say witten should start over davis now too? cuz thats not even close
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 31, 2009 11:08 AM EST up reply actions
JIBTA
Witten could have 60 receptions for 750 yards and 0 touchdowns and he will still think he should be in over Gonzalez because of his stellar blocking.
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
yea
witten has more catches and can block .. altho gonzalez deserved it .. witten is a good pick over celek
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 29, 2009 10:40 PM EST up reply actions
i think so
tds dont make u good .. if u catch 8 tds but only have 12 catches are u really good .. witten blocks .. celek cant .. witten has more catches and yards .. and you are over lookin the fact that witten draws better coverage and sometime double teams .. so he frees up austin and williams.. far more valuable than celek
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 29, 2009 10:48 PM EST up reply actions
yea…because we dont have anyone on our team that would mirror austins production….
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby
by GreenInBaltimore on Dec 29, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
i hope you don’t take yourself seriously. i think the point of the game is to score tds. so witten should get in because he gets covered?
by ieatcrayons on Dec 29, 2009 10:55 PM EST up reply actions
if you really think TD's define a players season
then all of you are dopes. This has got to be the worst arguement. Saying td’s are the only thing that makes a TE. They block( well celek doesn’t), catch passes to extend drives. The person with the logic that Witten catching passes to extend drives doesn’t matter is really out of it. It doesn’t matter who gets the TD’s, all that matters is the team has drives and scores.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
Will you quit it. If the stats were reversed you’d be posting every 10 seconds about how the overwhelming edge in scores is what makes your guy better this year.
hey
dubious .. i just said that bro
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 30, 2009 12:47 AM EST up reply actions
Jason if Witten had worse stats than Celek next year
and more TD’s like Celek this year. I will say the same thing. There is no way Witten would deserve it over Celek if the rolls were reversed. Thats how I fill no matter how you try to spin it. I don’t care what team the player plays on or what …….td’s don’t make a good season …….thats my opinion and well Witten getting in so it must be more than mine too.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
it's not everything, I agree
but 8 to 1 is a HUGE difference in numbers. Celek gets more first downs per catch as well so he is extending drives as well, and a better yards per catch too. So basically he’s doing more the Witten is with less opportunities.
Slan where is the proof of Celek getting more firstdowns?
I am so lost cause I thought Witten had more but I could be mistaken.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
lets look at it this way. Celek 8 TD x 6 points = 48 points. Witten’s 1 TD x 6 points = 6 points. Both have played 15 games. Therefore, Celek is averaging 3.2 points per game. Witten, on the other hand, is averaging only .4 points per game.
Lets look at it in the context of their respective teams:
The Eagles have averaged 28.6 points per game, so Celek is responsible for 11.2% of our scoring. The Cowboys average 22.5 points per game, but Witten is only responsible for 1.7% of their aggregate scoring.
Football is about scoring touchdowns. Celek has fared far better in that category this season.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
well
what about yards .. wha about catches .. what about first downs .. blocking .. all witten
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 29, 2009 11:06 PM EST up reply actions
Witten has 44 first downs. Celek has 37. Ergo, Witten is 18% better on first downs.
Witten has 954 yards. Celek has 875. Witten is 9% better on yards.
Celek has 8 touchdowns. Witten has 1. Celek is 700% better on touchdowns.
Celek has 12.7 YPC. Witten has 10.8 YPC. Celek is 18% better on yards after the catch.
These statistics tell me that Brent is more explosive and a better scorer, this season at least. Why is Witten such an obvious, no-brainer pick again?
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Oh, and 7 more first downs is not equivalent to 7 more touchdowns, for the record.
About 10 minutes ago, I was pondering my own existence. Then I decided that it didn't matter.
Is it that hard to grasp that Witten hasn’t been used in the endzone this year nearly as much as he has been in the past? Of course his overall TD rate is going to be down.
Child please.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
he's not Chad
but he does have point. That is a poor argument that he’s not used in the redzone. You lost TO one of the best red zone options ever and Witten got 8 TD a year consistently.
Admit, Witten should not be in the probowl this season over Celek. Read the numbers do normal not Dallas math and eve you can figure it out.
Down to one though?
Let’s just say we actually accept this excuse that the Cowboys decided to not use one of the best TEs in the NFL in red zone anymore. I’ve watched plenty of Cowboys games, and Witten used to catch plenty of TDs that came outside the red zone.
Is it that hard to grasp that Witten hasn’t been used in the endzone this year
So will you then agree that Austin has more TDs than Jackson because Jackson isn’t used in the redzone as much?
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Yards
Yeah, what about yards?
Witten – 10.8 yards per reception
Celek – 12.7 yards per reception
Once again, the Dallas player wins the contest by Dallas Math. Get closer to ZERO and you are a Cowboys HERO!
It’s bizarre that they can’t concede this. Jason Witten is a fabulous player. One of the 3 or 4 best TEs in football for the past 4 years. He’s great. He just didn’t have his best season this time around. He wasn’t bad by any means, he just probably didn’t deserve his pro bowl nod over Celek or Gonzo. BUt he got it based on his solid year and great previous years. That’s fine.
Geez, how many Eagles fans are saying they think Sheldon should have made it over Asante?
But whatever, we’re all fans. We aren’t objective and I’m sure most of us think all of our guys are the best.
Can anyone tell me why that pussy Brady got in over Matt Shaub( who leads the league in passing yds)?
And Trent Cole should be starting over Peppers, actually Will Smith should be in instead of Peppers.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
Brown is a snub, Asante isn't
Was actually more of a snub maybe than Celek. Brown is arguably having his best season overall as an Eagles’ player even while playing through several injuries. Lesser players would have missed at least 1-2 games with his various maladies.
Asante wasn’t a snub. He may have 9 INTs but he is one of the worst tackling CBs in the league and has been burned more in coverage than you would think.
Are you saying that Samuel should be in over Brown?
Not arguing with you. It’s very debatable for sure. Brown is more consistent in coverage, but Samuel makes more plays
No
Asante gets a ton of credit for those INTs and well he should. It is why the Eagles are paying him the big dollars. He isn’t a shutdown CB though in coverage as some announcers/fans would leave you to believe. Gives his share of a cushion underneath and he can get beat with a good double-move deep too. Plus, he is one of the worst tacklers in the NFL. It is comically bad at times on how Asante tries to ‘bump’ a guy instead of trying to wrap him up.
asante made it
?
RIP Jim Johnson. You will truly be missed.
by Igglesfan13 on Dec 29, 2009 8:03 PM EST via mobile up reply actions
Meant Asante shouldn't be in there
People get enamored with the 9 INTs but his overall game is a bit wanting. Not as good a cover CB as people think.
Yeah but when you literally lead the NFL in picks… it’s significant and worth a pro bowl selection. If a DE led the NFL in sacks but wasn’t great against the run would he not even deserve to make the pro bowl?
Same thing for RGB..
I hate that Sheldon didn’t make it but that kid has 1 more INT, 2 more FF, 1 less tackle, and leads the NFC with 31 Pdef. His stat line is better than Sheldon’s.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Dec 29, 2009 9:27 PM EST up reply actions
and on a side note...
Its 330 am here I dont know who the heck RGB is.. DRC people I meant DRC…
by IgglesFanDeployd on Dec 29, 2009 9:35 PM EST up reply actions
Analogy doesn't hold
What if that same DE wasn’t only one of the poorest run defenders in the league but also had his share of times he rushed the passer where he was pancaked or did get anywhere near the QB. That is Samuel.
hahaha
wow .. mg77 thinks like me .. finally someone i like!
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 29, 2009 10:43 PM EST up reply actions
Witten
Is a better overall player than Celek yet at this point. Celek hasn’t blocked that well this year (he was pitiful last week in the 2nd half assisting Justice with Elvis) and has had his share of drops.
haha again
mg77 im with u!
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 29, 2009 10:45 PM EST up reply actions
Pro Bowl voting
Is still a more of a rep contest than one based upon actual level of play in the current year.
I honestly don't think that Peters had a pro-bowl season this year.
But I can’t think of any other LTs in the NFC that had pro-bowl seasons either.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
wow. interesting.
I really am happy for desean. He definately deserved this.
But how bout Leonard Weaver. I feel like this guy has really come on at the end of the year, and its great that he was acknowledged.
Just one comment tho. Being an Eagle fan I hate the redskins, but I respect London Fletcher and I am still amazed that the guy hasn’t been voted to the pro bowl once in 12 years and yet Brian Orakpo as a rookie gets in. Idk, just a thought.
Agreed on London Fletcher…the dude’s a tackling machine.
by Bob_StudioZ on Dec 29, 2009 10:01 PM EST up reply actions
I’m glad Weaver got in but there wasn’t much competition. I got to see him play in college, my school was Carson Newmans rival and it was either us or them as SAC champs during that time. I’m happy for his success! Go birds!
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
by Eaglesgrl5 on Dec 29, 2009 9:16 PM EST via mobile reply actions
Speaking of Weaver
Are him and his agent doing cartwheels now or what? He said that he had other multi year offers on the table that he turned down to sign a one year deal with the Eagles.
Obviously, that worked out well. He’s going to earn significantly more over the next couple years now than he would have if he signed a longer term deal last year.
And he damn well better earn those millions of dollars..
playing out a multi year deal with the Birds. If Andy and the FO dont push for Weaver they are just stupid. He has re-established the importance of a dynamic FB in our system.
by IgglesFanDeployd on Dec 29, 2009 9:30 PM EST up reply actions
I don't get...
Yea that is ridiculous! Harvin got jipped. Harvin got snubbed....
Im like REALLLLY! Kick Returns…he IS in deed 4th in that department! Again is how u finish. Harvin started off fast but then tailed off a bit! Besides that…Jason B is right Viks fans dont need to be complaining about Subbed. Especailly after tryin to vote their FB into the pro bowl who has 3 yards rushing, 1.5 yards avg/per rush, and longest rush for 2 whole yards. He does get acouple passes thrown his way with 66 total receiving yrds. He also gets about as much playing time Kevin Curtis this year! And they think he deserves to be in a PRO BOWL….snubbed hahahaha. C’mon Man!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
eaglesinmd...
what part of MD are you from?
I'm amazed that Sheldon didn't make it
He’s had an amazing year, and has played with a ton of heart. He deserves it more than Asante, and I like Asante. Can’t argue with the other 2 though Woodsen and Rodgers-Cromarte have had great seasons too. Seems like they should carry more than 3 CBs
Honestly man. Im am NOT amazed.
Becuz I know that it is a popularity bowl. Sheldon deserves to be in this probowl but they are goin with more flashy players. Sheldon is a real PRO. A professional guy, a professional player. He is about his business! He knows the game like the back of his hand! Not even having Sheldon as a BACK UP DB is a slap in the face to him and all of Eagles nation! Dont get me wrong. I love the fact that Weaver, Asante, Cole, Djax, Peters and Akers all got a spot. But Sheldon should’ve at least got in as at least a back up DB! Sheldon is a real Pro Bowler and projects what a “Pro” really is!!!!!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
For once
I agree with you. Brown doesn’t have quite as many INTs as Samuel but he has made his share of plays this year including being the only CB on this team to consistently tackle well. Brown has gotten burnt once or twice this year too because of that bad hamstring but you see teams run more screens & outside running plays toward Samuel’s side than Brown.
Samuel won’t ever deliver a hit like Brown did to Marshall in the 1st half of the Broncos game that really did alter the 1st half. Hell, Samuel was benched just the series before he made the INT because of his incredibly shoddy tackling in the 3rd quarter that disgusted Reid so much.
Can anyone tell me how in the world Miles Austin made the Pro Bowl....
After coming on in the last what 7-8 weeks! Yes he has had some solid numbers but players like Djax and Fitz have been putting up crazy numbers all season long. From day one! And in Djax case, he has had back to back seasons of amazing numbers. And one season was his rookie year! And u throw Miles Austin in the mix. Really!?! What about Boldin or a WR from the Saints. ?! Nope Miles Austin of all WRs. Again he had some solid numbers but he came on LATE in the game and doesnt stack up against a Boldin or Colston type of player. How did this happen!!??
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
hahaha
hater! i hate austin more than u do .. but he really should be starting .. over jackson
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 29, 2009 10:49 PM EST up reply actions
Nope! Djax is a show stopper
Oh and I cant be a hater. As u can read..I gave Austin some props!! Sorry buddy. Good try though!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Austin definitely deserves his Pro Bowl rec
He may have come on late but ever since starting, he’s been consistently putting up great numbers. I hope someone else offers him a ridiculous contract (he is on a one-year contract, no?) to get the hell out of NFC East.
Boldin and Colston shouldn’t even sniff the Pro Bowl. If there’s one guy that got snubbed, it’s Steve Smith (NYG). He’s been great all year long.
by chrisbeomsuh on Dec 29, 2009 11:30 PM EST up reply actions
it is funny how the cowboys sold their soul to get roy williams , and austin is way better than him ……. classic ha ha
R.I.P Jim Johnson 1941-2009
we will miss you Jim Johnson, thank you for everything you done to the eagles defense making them the best of the best, RIP JJ...
Remember when some of the Eagles fans wanted Roy Williams?
Ahhh, it’s so nice not hearing about a WR trade rumors nowadays
by chrisbeomsuh on Dec 30, 2009 2:26 AM EST up reply actions
Jason Peters
Peters has been the most dominant offensive lineman for the eagles. He deserves it, best left tackle in the NFC in my opinion.
by PhilsForever on Dec 29, 2009 10:48 PM EST via mobile reply actions
i rarely follow the pro-bowl…so i need to ask this. is there only 1 “returner” chosen to the team? i see that Jason has Desean listed as a kick returner…not punt returner.
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby
by GreenInBaltimore on Dec 29, 2009 10:51 PM EST reply actions
Only one Returner per team
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
so...
if he were to have the opportunity to play in that game, does he return kick-offs and punt returns?
If you dont like Big Red, then F#%@ You!
-Ricky Bobby
by GreenInBaltimore on Dec 30, 2009 9:28 AM EST up reply actions
Celek was easily the better TE this year
Maybe we can break wittens leg sunday or something and Celek will be in as an alternate. Witten is one of the best TE’s in the league but Celek had the better year. If McNabb didnt have so many options and Celek had 88 catches like Witten he would average out to1117 yards and 10 TDs. That is better than all TEs except for antonio gates. And to say TDs dont matter that is idiotic. Vernon Davis is in the probowl. He only has 1 more yard than Celek. The only reason he is in is because of his 12 TDs. Celek for Probowl 2011.
This is the simple thing that the “fans” of Dallas don’t get. We know it’s a popularity contest. Our own team has benefited from that on occasion. We get that. Celek has had better year than Witten. That’s all. The pro bowl should be about that, but it isn’t. That’s all.
We know it’s not, but it’s no big deal.
Agreed
But the Cowboy fans don’t get it… and guess what? I don’t care cause we won’t be playing in the hot damn Pro Bowl anyways!
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
+1
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
you believe in your logic and reasoning
and we do the same……not sure why you all don’t get that either. Its not just us, you are bias as well and feel everything you say is fact when basically it is your god given opinion and that’s it.
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
Don’t really care about who gets in the Probowl. Just swells the players heads and gives the agents ammunition at the negotiating table. None of it helps the team win playoff games or Super Bowls.
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
Then why are you arguing about it?
It is a popularity contest. If we are clearly judging this by how they did this year overall in their positions, it is hard to make an argument over half of the players on the team(3 Eagles included), but it is the way it is. I would rather argue what justifies a good season, and this idea that because one player has a better year statistically then another means that they are the better player.
he didn’t argue about it … this is his first post on this thread, your just trying to argue with anyone and everyone.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
Amen Whodie
I'm not drunk I'm just drinking.
by no1pipelayer on Dec 30, 2009 3:37 PM EST up reply actions
The only BOWL I care about....
is the SUPERBOWL.
Andy Reid is 43-5 when running the ball at least 30 times in a game( Ray Diddy on Eagles Post Game Live after Bears Victory)
I heard da games been moved to 4:15 is dat official yet
by bkeagle718 on Dec 30, 2009 1:00 AM EST via mobile reply actions
hey cowboys fan
Also , out of the 19 more balls caught by Witten, how many resulted in first downs? These things all go into account, not just cause a guy has one good year.
you still have yet to answer for the fact that you got completely shut down by this
First Downs
Witten – 44 of 88 catches (that would be 50%)
Celek – 37 of 69 catches (that would be 53.6%)
by automatically switching to the blocking argument youre trying to mask the obvious flaws in your argument with unmeasurable statistics. just like im sure you thought your third down argument was before it got completely and utterly shut down. 8>1 and im looking forward to 44-6:the sequel this weekend.
From former Cowboys beat writer Matt Mosely
For the Eagles, I think cornerback Sheldon Brown and tight end Brent Celek should have been on the team. They’re both alternates, but that doesn’t cut it. Brown has played through injuries and been excellent this season. Celek simply had to overcome too many big names. Vernon Davis had an excellent season for the 49ers and Witten finished strong for the Cowboys. I could make an argument that Celek should’ve made it in front of Witten. Just look at the huge discrepancy in touchdowns
by JasonB on Dec 30, 2009 1:51 AM EST reply actions 1 recs
+1
…And notice no Cowboys fans commenting about this Quote/comment! Matt Mosely an HONEST man! Im am gona rec this!!!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
I have seen many experts feel different about this
so I will concede that it means nothing to hear Mosley say this as he is one person ……fair enough?
"When people talk about Super Bowl dynasties they mention the 1970's Steelers, 1980's 49ers, 1990's Cowboys and the current New England Patriots, but nobody has dominated the Super Bowl like Anheuser-Busch. In recent years, Budweiser has been the MVP of Super Bowl advertising -- making another company the favorite to win the Ad Meter poll was never an option."
Simon Noble
Can anyone?
I am not good with stats, but could someone find or figure out how many points the eagles scored off of Asante Samuel interception this year? I know none off of the last one because of stupid penalties, but I am just curious.
by PhilsForever on Dec 30, 2009 2:35 AM EST via mobile reply actions
How about...
how many first downs the Eagles gave up after Samuel missed the tackle? That’s what drives me nuts. If we really want to break down Samuel’s numbers we need to figure out how many drives he’s extended as well as ended. If you fail to keep them within the sticks on third down, that is essentially a turnover to the other team. And Samuel has given that up too many times.
please...
Scoring touchdowns is much more important than giving up 3rd downs, essentially a turnover? Really? every heard of a punt??? I think the amount of touchdowns and points scored as a result of a samuel interception this year is a valid argument as to why he deserves to be in the pro-bowl, if you want, we can subtract the points he gave up with missed tackles, but both can be valid.
Yes,
if you don’t hold the team on third down, they keep the ball and you don’t get it. That’s is a turnover. I’m not saying the effect is as great a deficit as an interception is a positive. But, I’d bet that Samuel has given up more third downs because of poor tackling than he’s made touchdowns. And that should be a factor into how effective he is on the course of a game. Look, I love having AS on the Eagles, but I think we have to look at the whole player meaning, every part of his game, to give an accurate assessment. Brown is complete in all facets. AS is exceptional in some areas and deficient in others.
It's funny...
I always hope my team’s players don’t make the Pro Bowl and my enemy’s teams are overrepresented. Then I figure, it will be easier for my team to resign the players and harder for my enemy’s team to keep theirs. It may sound like screwed up logic, but I’m concerned about putting together the better team, not a bunch of individual stars.
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