The pro bowl is SUCH BS part 2.845435
by Joe_D on Dec 18, 2009 5:33 PM EST
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Defensive end: 3. Osi Umenyiora, Giants; 4. Justin Tuck, Giants: I like both of those players, but this is when you know it's about popularity. It's ridiculous that Trent Cole's not among the top five. And Andre Carter of the Redskins should be in there, too.
Congrats to Osi for being the most over rated DE in the NFL. Tuck? Good DE but with all the injuries he's pretty much been a non factor. The two best DEs in the NFC are Jared Allen and Trent Cole.
Fullbacks: 2. Leonard Weaver, Eagles; 3. Deon Anderson, Cowboys; 5. Madison Hedgecock, Giants. Weaver has brought another dimension to the Eagles' offense with his running ability. Anderson's a pretty good point of attack guy. Looks like Weaver has a lot of catching up to do on Naufahu Tahi of the Vikings.
I'll be honest I know nothing of Naufahu Tahi. Is t his guy the next Lorenzo Neal? If not, I don't see how he holds a candle to Weaver who's been nothing short of impressive.
Punters: 2. Jeff Feagles, Giants; 4. Mat McBriar, Cowboys: McBriar's quietly having a huge season. Hopefully the coaches and players will recognize that.
FEAGLES? He's been amazing in recent years but at this point I think I would keep Sav over Feagles -- he's been dreadful. I'll give it to McBriar that mother fucker can boot 'em.
Tight ends: 4. Jason Witten, Cowboys: He has 243,220 votes and he'll get a strong push from the coaches and players. Right now he trails Tony Gonzalez, Jeremy Shockey and Vernon Davis. Shockey's had a nice season but he doesn't deserve to go in front of Witten. Eagles fans need to go online immediately and help out Celek. His numbers are off the charts this season.
Celek is going to get screwed. His stats are more gaudy than WItten's and more so than Shockey's. I guess he's going to have to have another big season before he gets his name recognized.
FYI it looks like Samuel WILL be the starter along Charles Woodson and DJack will be in the pro bowl as a WR.
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I’m not surprised by Celek. I’m okay with that. Not saying he doesn’t deserve it, but like you said, he needs another good year before he gets recognized.
However… the fact that Trent Cole and Leonard Weaver won’t be voted into the Pro Bowl is ludicrous!
But that’s all a moot point, since I really don’t want any of them to play in the Pro Bowl. I’d rather see them in uniform the following Sunday…
The Eagles are the first team in NFL history to have a running back and a wide receiver with 500 yards apiece in the same season before their 22nd birthdays.
by Smitty2K3 on Dec 18, 2009 5:53 PM EST reply actions 1 recs
it's like politics guys
it has nothing to do with your actual ability, it only has to do with your ability to make people believe in your ability
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
+1
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
Yup
Otherwise Eli Manning would not have been in the Pro Bowl last year. He only got in because of fans’ perception.
and like 3/5 of the Cowboys' offensive line
all they got in on were the Cowboys team label and their own (slight) name recognition.
I mean, fucking Flozell Adams has been to the same number of Pro Bowls as McNabb, while London Fletcher (a guy with talent but almost no name recognition) has been to ZERO Pro Bowls. Pro Bowl voting is frustrating to say the least
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 18, 2009 8:39 PM EST up reply actions
I'm pretty sure Eli was a reserve last year.
Did he deserve it? I don’t think so….tho, I don’t think it was a joke that he made it, he was very good last year.
Usually the guy on the winning team gets the nod anyway..whether or not he has better stats.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 18, 2009 10:42 PM EST up reply actions
You're on crack
NO Eli did not deserve it. He had the same TD/Int stats as McNabb and had 500 less passing yards. Furthermore, his team tanked after he lost his number one receiver.
2008 Stats:
Aaron Rodgers 28 TD 13 INT 7.5 Y/A 102.5 rating 4038 Passing Yards playing behind a sieve of an offensive line
Donovan McNabb 23 TD 11 INT 6.9 Y/A 86.4 QB Rating 3916 Passing Yards
Eli Manning 23 TD 11 INT 8 Y/A 93.0 QB Rating 3316 yards
Don’t see how he deserved Pro Bowl consideration
Giants 12-4
Eagles 9-6-1
Packers 6-10.
There’s your reason.
Just cuz his team tanked cuz his WR shot himself (and more important..his defense couldn’t sack McNabb even if they had no one even playing O-Line), has nothing to do with the Pro-Bowl.
McNabb always has more passing yards cuz he plays in a pass oriented offense.
Skew the stats to your liking…but McNabb had 500 more yards…and 100!! more attempts.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 7:03 PM EST up reply actions
Team record sure as hell plays a roll
Should McNabb make it more than he does? Yea.
DId he deserve it more than Eli? No.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 11:04 PM EST up reply actions
I can't understand how your only argument is passing yards anyway...
given the extra 100 attempts…Eli was better then McNabb last year.
Both had very good years…its just pretty funny that McNabb deserved it so much..yet Eli is a ‘joke’ to make it.
I think someone like Rodgers should’ve made it cuz he had better stats too…but that’s not the case..cuz they were false stats.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 7:07 PM EST up reply actions
false stats
is Brees damn near breaking the passing record on a sub-.500 team.
Its meaningless if your stats don’t help you win.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 11:03 PM EST up reply actions
whoa whoa
u dont know shit bradshaw .. stats are stats .. the people with the best stats deserve to be there .. passing attempts .. who u play .. ur record .. none of that shit matters .. if bulger had 4000 yards passing this year he should be in the probowl .. steven jackson will be in there for sure and the rams are pathetic and he gets a ton of carries .. but he has the numbers .. so he belongs
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 19, 2009 11:47 PM EST up reply actions
JIBTA
your the last person that needs to use the “stats are stats” arguement.
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
actually
i dont careabout winning .. only stats .. so what the fuck are u talkin about dude .. i always say stats are more important when measuring qbs .. thats why brady is over rated
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 20, 2009 1:05 AM EST up reply actions
no, but any other
time when people bring up stats you just ignore them..
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
you're a fool Jibta......
a QB can throw for 6000 yards…if the team is 7-9…who the hell gives a crap?
Those 6000 yards obviously didn’t lead to anything did they? More then likely, those stats came when the team was trying to come back…and didn’t.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 20, 2009 6:54 PM EST up reply actions
i dont careabout winning .. only stats
We already knew this … it’s why no one respects you.
Jim Johnson 1941-2009
"The 0-2 pitch, swing and a miss! STRUCK HIM OUT! The Philadelphia Phillies are 2008 World Champions of baseball! And let the city celebrate! " - Harry Kalas 1936-2009
ok
and how does trent dilfer and his ring mean anything? .. winning is a team effort .. u can be an average qb like kyle orton and win games .. but someone like manning or marino and favre .. those are the true greats .. so yea .. forgive me if i dont give a shit about winning a ring or two when u put up no stats ..
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 21, 2009 9:38 PM EST up reply actions
Bro I hate the giants as much as the rest of you...
but up until Gloxico shot himself in the leg, Eli was in some pretty good form and he was spreading the ball around…
Can put his sucess on Plax, Eli has talent, He deserved the probowl last year, McNabb hit “probowl” form until after the voting was official and it was to late to make changes… Also the Eagles played 2 more games that the giants, with the regular season+playoffs…
thats Cobb on Kolb crime if you ask me... as said by yophillybro
Good to hear
Glad DJax is in, wish Celek was too. Matt McBriar deserves to go to the PB because he is on the field more than any other punter in the league.
Usually I don't agree with you Joe
But you nailed in this time. OSI GOT BENCHED! Justin Tuck got owned by Winston Justice. And Trent Cole has produced despite constant double teams, not to mention he’s also very good against the run (unlike Osi, who’s a liability(.
And the only reason the Minnesota guy got in is because Minnesota fans have dominated the voting.
remember the fans hav 1/3 the vote
"It's unfortunate that happened. That's no excuse. Absolutely no excuse."
-Andy Reid
I Hear ya Joe D
I mean…it’s not even funny anymore! I can understand Celek as this is the first starting role season and many ppl STILL dont know who he is nor what hes done this season. I bet u more ppl recognize him for his “Captain Morgan” celebrations than what hes done on the field. Dont get me wrong, there are ppl who know about him but he’s still an unknown compared to Tony G, Vernon D, and Witten..even Chris Cooley!! He will have his time though! And the Trent Cole and Weaver thing is a freakn joke..horrible horrible. They need to change the name from “Pro Bowl” to “POPULAR BOWL”! At least it would make sense on how they pick the players! I’d understand that at least!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
We can thank all those bandwagon Viking's fans for fucking up the whole voting system.
It just goes to show how big a crock of shit the Pro-Bowl really is. And just for shits and giggles, lets look at some stats shall we?
FB:
1.Naufahu Tahi, 3 yds rushing, 66 yds receiving, 0 TD
2.Leonard Weaver, 249 yds rush, 2 rush TD, 122 yds rec, 2 rec TD.
DE:
1.Osi Umenyiora, 15 total tackles, 6 sacks, 4 forced fumbles.
2. Justin Tuck, 46 TT, 4.5 S, 4 FF.
3.Trent Cole, 48 TT, 9.5 S, 2FF.
TE:
1.Jeremy Shockey, 569 yds rec, 3 rec TD.
2.Jason Witten, 793 yds rec, 1 rec TD.
3.Brent Celek, 681 yds rec, 7 rec TD.
And how in the fuck is Flozell Adams ranked 4th and Jason Peters is nowhere to be found. All Adams does is take cheap shots and trip people. At the top of the list is, guess who, thats right both of the Vikings tackles. SHOCKING!!!
Desean Jackson is second on the list for kick returners behind, guess who, Percy Harvin. Yet again a SHOCKER!!
Can someone tell me why the hell Keith Brooking is higher than London Fletcher, he has half the tackles as Fletcher.
YOU HAVE JUST WITNESSED MY RANT OF THE DAY, AND ILL END IT ON THIS NOTE….FUCK BRETT FAVRE
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
gotta thank the bandwagon Cowgirls and Gigantes fans too
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 18, 2009 8:41 PM EST up reply actions
Yup. Thats why they all must be destroyed.
MWWHAHAHAHA!!!!!
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 18, 2009 8:54 PM EST up reply actions
What do you expect?
It gets like -25 in October in Minnesota so all they have to do everyday is sit in front of their computers and vote
"I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care. "
by midnitegreen on Dec 18, 2009 9:07 PM EST up reply actions
Theres always porn.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 18, 2009 9:45 PM EST up reply actions
I've got the solution.
The Lengerie Football League. The best of both worlds.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 18, 2009 11:37 PM EST up reply actions
+1
I was thinking the exact same thing
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
"I hate listening to people's dreams. It is like flipping through a stack of photographs. If I'm not in any of them and nobody is having sex, I just don't care. "
by midnitegreen on Dec 19, 2009 9:29 AM EST up reply actions 2 recs
And now you have made my screen name a reality.
Bless you young sir, just bless you.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 19, 2009 10:31 AM EST up reply actions
bs dude
favre should start .. him or rodgers .. its not even close
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 19, 2009 4:41 PM EST up reply actions
and I agree with worldphuckingchamps
hate hate hate favre
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 19, 2009 5:23 PM EST up reply actions
Farve gets the nod for the Pro Bowl
Rodgers too.
Acutally..Brees starts..and its not even close.
I’d ask for that stuff you smoke Jibta…but I’m afraid “I’ll never come down”.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 5:47 PM EST up reply actions
actuallly
honestly i forgot about brees lol but rodgers and favre are both locks .. theres ur three . stop hating on favre
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 19, 2009 6:25 PM EST up reply actions
I'm not hating on Farve.
Brees, Rodgers, Farve…the 3 Pro Bowl QB’s. I don’t doubt that. I also have no doubt that Brees is the starter.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 7:04 PM EST up reply actions
yep...
I feel mcnabb sans rib injury would have been in hands down but of course we cannot change what happened…
they are the three clear Pro Bowl QBs
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 19, 2009 7:15 PM EST up reply actions
Harvin
The S/T guys are picked as either KR or PR there is no distinction between the two. In all fairness, Harvin has had a phenomenal year as a KR
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
True, but Desean is the top returner this year.
So far.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 19, 2009 10:32 AM EST up reply actions
Agreed
I wouldnt have a prob if Harvin made it as the returner though. Kid’s explosive
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
jackson
i think he makes it as returner. . but its 50-50 wit harvin .. no way he makes it at wr .. u got fitz and steve smith as locks .. austin and rice .. and than a guy like driver is out there with good stats .. now vernon davis is a lock to start .. backed up by tony gonzalez and witten .. o chance for celek .. zero!!!
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 19, 2009 4:43 PM EST up reply actions
if osi and tuck make the pro bowl
I’m not watching. That’s absolutely ridiculous.
BTW, where do you get these voting totals? I have looked and can’t find them
They are on ESPN. In the NFC East blog.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 18, 2009 8:53 PM EST up reply actions
As far as I'm concerned good that they dont
That means they get more time to rest for that Superbowl game we will be playing in and also that the teams next year won’t know who they are and won’t be ready when they get hit with them. Keep not voting them to the Pro Bowl and all of them can keep having seasons like they are having this year when teams forget about them. Sounds good to me.
or we can vote them and they can decline
get the accolades without having to show up
by alcatraz0109 on Dec 18, 2009 9:36 PM EST up reply actions
I gotta say...
I have no idea who’s voting for Osi and Tuck…cuz its sure as shit not Giants fans (you guys can dead that right now). I doubt a single Giants fan would vote either of those 2 in…I mean there’s dumb Giants fans of course, but that’s a joke.
I myself voted Cole in, he deserves it.
Also…Feagles….I can’t believe that. Tho..maybe its opposing fans voting him in…cuz he really helps with fiel position for the other teams?
Only Giant that deserve it, IMO, is Steve Smith…that’s it.
I know some of you wouldn’t wanna hear it, but Eli Manning at least should get consideration, but Brees, Farve and Rodgers are the top guns for QB IMO.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
I voted Steve Smith
he deserves it
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Also voted for Steve Smith
The dude was a monster at the beginning of the season.
by chrisbeomsuh on Dec 19, 2009 3:58 AM EST up reply actions
he was too inconsistent this year
he’s playing brilliantly as of late, but earlier on in the season he was playing awful
E-A-G-L-E-S EAGLES!!!
same with Miles Austin
he’s a few MONSTER games that inflate his overall stats. Even after his ‘coming out party’ he’s been shut down a couple times. He only had 1 catch against us, and that piece of shi* catch just happened to go for a TD, but still, he doesn’t really scare me.
"What did it feel like? That collision, I didn't feel nothing, because he was pretty much defenseless. It was like running through a cardboard box. Seriously. Cardboard box."- Sheldon Brown on his pounding of Reggie Bush in the '06 Playoffs
Dont really see how you could advocate
Jackson for the pro-bowl if you think Austin is inconsistent.
The Knights season may have just ended, but the Cowboys year is just begining!
by aussie_cowboy on Dec 20, 2009 2:47 AM EST up reply actions
?
Eli? I agree. Really, I think its more cuz of there being a lot of QB’s who are playing better this year.
It was really just the losing streak tho, and a lot had to do with the heel injury.
There’s a lot of competition having better seasons anyway. But he’s got an outside shot at 4000 yards, so its not out of the question.
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 2:50 PM EST up reply actions
Sheldon Brown
Is Sheldon Brown getting any love. In my humble opinion…he has been snubbed for years…..and this is his best year to date. He is a big hitter and has quietly been a shut down corner. He only gave up one touchdown last year. He is doing much of the same this year and has more interceptions this year than ever before…..
Rob Wetmore
Leading Edge Martial Arts
www.leadingedgema.com
Sheldon deserves to go more than Asante.
Hes the best corner on this team right now.
If Life Gives You Lemons, Just Say FUCK IT and Bail.
by igottachubby on Dec 18, 2009 11:42 PM EST up reply actions
Let me just say
Pro bowl is a bunch of horse shit.
Everyone knows it.
I am not pissed Eagles players are not getting voted for the pro bowl, at all.
by worldphuckinchamps on Dec 19, 2009 12:18 AM EST reply actions
When they are voted to the pro bowl, they want more money.
When they aren’t voted to the pro bowl, they ask for more money but it’s only given to them when they actually deserve it, rather than on the basis of pro bowls.
The FO can spend the money they save on other players to make the Eagles a better team, and hopefully win a SB.
by worldphuckinchamps on Dec 19, 2009 2:04 AM EST up reply actions
WTF?
Celek is having a better year than Shockey in everything but avg YPC. Why the hell is he not in there?
This is why there shouldn’t be fan voting. I swear.
Wishlist:
[Desean Jackson] -for- [1,000 Receiving Yards] -currently- [947]
[Asante Samuel] -for- [9 Interceptions] -currently- [7]
[Trent Cole] -for- [12.5 Sacks] -currently- [9.5]
[Michael Vick] -for- [4 Rushing Touchdowns] -currently- [2]
celek
no chance he makes it .. witten and gonzalez .. davis starts .. davis is clearly the starter
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 19, 2009 4:44 PM EST up reply actions
is this a popularity contest...
or the best players in 2009?
The best players from 2000-2008?
Or 2009?
?
"It ain't over till its over"---
3rd down + Steve Smith = 1st Down.
"I just saw Avatar, and Sean Avery was hands down the best character!"
by FreeBradshaw on Dec 19, 2009 5:48 PM EST up reply actions
haha
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
And that's thepther problem
Problem 1, its a "Popularity Bowl. Problem 2, it’s also a “Past Accomplishments” Bowl! In the leagues eyes Popularity and Past Accomplishments equal “Pro”!! What about the players who are CURRENTLY BEASTS in the league! And im not even talkn about Eagles players. But for example sake..U can’t sit here and tell me that L.Weaver isnt a the best FB right now! Or that Sheldon Brown despite his injury (and BEFORE the injury) isnt one of the best CB’s playing this moment! Or that Trent Cole is a wild child week in and week out constantly taking on double teams yet still managing to create some form of havoc! And not even mentioning Brent “Da Bull” Celek and the great shows hes put on! It’s 2009 so judge it from that point!
"... You play to win the game. Hello? You play to win the game. You don't play it to just play it. That's the great thing about sports: you play to win..."
ok
im giving u cole .. he should be in the probowl .. im not buying the celek koolade .. witten and tony g both have more catches and yards .. and davis is the clear cut starter .. so no celek
An inconsistent coach is far worse than an inconsistent quarterback.(Route 36)
by jack is better than asante on Dec 19, 2009 11:48 PM EST reply actions
help me understand this
I understand that the fans get to vote and its calculated into the whole pro bowl factor but how much really counts? What is it… 1/3? If the coaches and the other NFL have the majority of the vote I don’t see how the fans voting will really make any type of impact. At the end of the day, the NFL will be able to pick who they want right?
In life, as in a football game, the principle to follow is: Hit the line hard.
-Theodore Roosevelt
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